‘tis the damn season (Season 8 Episodes 7-8)

Han: 00:00:01

Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?

Sil: 00:00:05

A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.

Rachel: 00:00:10

This is the Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DM'd each other enough character dissertations to earn a PhD in media literacy.

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I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.

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I'm Sil, bringing you to the observation deck.

Rachel: 00:00:28

And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.

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With our powers combined, no stone is.

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Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.

Sil: 00:00:40

Hey, Alexa, Play Tis the Damn Season by Taylor Swift.

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Welcome to the Buddy System.

Rachel: 00:00:53

We should remember this whenever we make Syl do the.

Rachel: 00:00:56

Hey, Alexis.

Han: 00:00:57

The Dim season.

Han: 00:00:58

Write this down.

Sil: 00:01:00

All right, that's enough of that.

Sil: 00:01:01

Alexa, stop.

Rachel: 00:01:03

This is our third special episode covering season eight.

Rachel: 00:01:07

Today we're talking about season eight, episode seven, titled Hot Shots, written by Lindsay Bu and Aisha Casey, directed by Keith Tripler.

Han: 00:01:19

And season eight, episode eight, titled Wannabes, written by Molly Green and James Leffler and directed by our boy, Bradley Bucher.

Rachel: 00:01:29

Bradley Bucher.

Rachel: 00:01:32

He's just got one of those names.

Rachel: 00:01:33

That's so fun.

Han: 00:01:34

It is fun also.

Han: 00:01:36

I just hope he sees one of our videos one day and is like, wow, I have a fan club.

Han: 00:01:41

So what were our thoughts on these two drastically different episodes?

Sil: 00:01:47

What happened in seven again?

Rachel: 00:01:48

Exactly.

Sil: 00:01:51

Okay.

Rachel: 00:01:52

Oh, man.

Rachel: 00:01:53

All right.

Sil: 00:01:53

I mean, look, I do like the Hot Shots of it all.

Sil: 00:01:57

And that's it.

Rachel: 00:01:58

And then.

Sil: 00:01:58

So episode eight, Wannabes.

Sil: 00:02:01

I.

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Look, I.

Rachel: 00:02:03

They are.

Sil: 00:02:05

They are drastically different.

Sil: 00:02:06

I don't really remember.

Sil: 00:02:09

I only remember 15 minutes of episodes of episode seven.

Sil: 00:02:12

That's it.

Sil: 00:02:12

And episode eight.

Sil: 00:02:14

Yeah, that's how long it was.

Rachel: 00:02:15

Huh.

Sil: 00:02:16

How strange.

Sil: 00:02:17

So the cliffhanger, which wasn't really a cliffhanger except for someone's.

Sil: 00:02:22

I don't know what to call that face feeling that Buck has at the end of that episode.

Sil: 00:02:27

Really, it's so on track of Eddie's character to do shit like this.

Rachel: 00:02:37

So.

Sil: 00:02:37

Which we'll get into that.

Sil: 00:02:38

Which we'll get into.

Sil: 00:02:42

But I.

Sil: 00:02:43

I mean, there's.

Sil: 00:02:44

I can't really say anything except when we get more into the buddy part of our episode.

Sil: 00:02:51

Okay.

Sil: 00:02:52

I mean, to be honest, I'm excited, really, as to, like, where we left off.

Sil: 00:02:57

I'm excited to see, like, future developments for Eddie and Buck and supposedly what is happening with Maddie, because I guess she's going to get kidnapped.

Sil: 00:03:11

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:03:12

Maybe.

Sil: 00:03:13

Possibly.

Sil: 00:03:14

Who knows?

Sil: 00:03:14

I mean, there's a lot of like theories going around Twitter right now that it might not actually be Maddie or just Maddie.

Sil: 00:03:21

That would be interesting.

Sil: 00:03:23

The other thing that I could just say is like, I.

Sil: 00:03:26

I thought Brad was fun.

Sil: 00:03:28

Yeah, I thought Brad was fun and like his like scenes with Bobby and.

Sil: 00:03:33

Or his interactions with Bobby and the rest of the 118.

Sil: 00:03:36

I thought it was just like an interesting dynamic to put in there.

Sil: 00:03:39

Even though I know that might not.

Sil: 00:03:42

It might.

Sil: 00:03:42

This might actually be a hot take.

Rachel: 00:03:45

A hot shots take.

Sil: 00:03:46

Yeah, Hot shots take.

Sil: 00:03:48

Thank you.

Rachel: 00:03:49

You're welcome.

Rachel: 00:03:50

That's what I'm here.

Sil: 00:03:51

But yeah, just vibes today, I guess.

Sil: 00:03:54

Don't know.

Sil: 00:03:55

I just can't wait for the following episodes after our.

Sil: 00:03:59

Our three month and a half hiatus.

Rachel: 00:04:02

Like, wow, it's only like 100.

Han: 00:04:05

People are already losing it.

Han: 00:04:07

I'm.

Sil: 00:04:08

People are losing it.

Sil: 00:04:10

I am concerned.

Han: 00:04:11

Actually start group therapy sessions anyway.

Sil: 00:04:15

Han.

Sil: 00:04:16

Yes.

Sil: 00:04:16

How do you feel?

Han: 00:04:17

So like sil said the 15 minute episode.

Han: 00:04:21

Weird that it was so short but fun, I guess for the 15 minutes that it was.

Han: 00:04:29

The rest of it supposedly, if it does exist.

Han: 00:04:32

Not to me.

Han: 00:04:35

Not to me.

Rachel: 00:04:36

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:04:36

This episode.

Han: 00:04:37

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:04:37

I'm so sorry.

Rachel: 00:04:38

To this episode.

Han: 00:04:39

Listen, to this day, Supernatural doesn't have a finale.

Han: 00:04:42

So I'm gonna retcon 3/4 of that episode because of reasons that I will slightly touch on later.

Han: 00:04:49

But other than that, like, I didn't think 7 was a bad episode.

Han: 00:04:52

I enjoyed myself when it was not the cop ness of it all.

Han: 00:04:57

I understand where some people are annoyed with.

Han: 00:05:01

With the Brad stuff because he is getting a lot of screen time when we have like very important things other characters are going through and they aren't getting as much screen time.

Han: 00:05:11

I think I was okay with seven.

Han: 00:05:14

Eight is where it got me a little bit now.

Han: 00:05:16

I enjoyed all of his stuff both times.

Han: 00:05:19

But an 8, I was like, why is he a plot?

Han: 00:05:23

Why is he literally a plot in the Wannabes episode?

Han: 00:05:28

Shouldn't he have, if we were going to give him a plot, even though he's a supporting character, shouldn't have been in Hotshots.

Han: 00:05:37

So I was a little confused about that.

Han: 00:05:39

But other than that, I really enjoyed eight.

Han: 00:05:42

For the most part.

Han: 00:05:43

I.

Han: 00:05:44

Oh my God, the Eddie stuff drives me fucking nuts.

Han: 00:05:47

Like, it breaks my heart.

Han: 00:05:49

And then I'm like, oh, you're so stupid.

Han: 00:05:51

So I don't know.

Han: 00:05:52

That's just makes sense.

Han: 00:05:54

That's just every day.

Han: 00:05:56

Being a fan of Eddie, Diaz and Buck is.

Han: 00:06:00

I gotta come up with another word for goal.

Han: 00:06:02

Going through at tm because he's surpassed that.

Han: 00:06:07

He's, like, spiraling into the depths of hell like he is.

Han: 00:06:11

And he's in the Upside Down.

Rachel: 00:06:15

Yeah.

Sil: 00:06:15

He took out his place in the well.

Han: 00:06:17

He took out his place in the well.

Rachel: 00:06:19

I was wondering how long it was gonna take to get to the well.

Han: 00:06:23

I enjoyed what that episode is hopefully setting up, which is gonna be some high stakes, some really interesting storylines moving forward for both Buck and Eddie.

Han: 00:06:33

So looking forward to that.

Han: 00:06:35

Looking forward to people losing their goddamn minds for three and a half months.

Han: 00:06:42

Because I profit from it.

Han: 00:06:44

The art and the fic.

Han: 00:06:46

Like.

Sil: 00:06:46

Oh, that.

Han: 00:06:47

Yes.

Han: 00:06:47

Profit.

Rachel: 00:06:48

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:06:48

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:06:49

What is it?

Rachel: 00:06:50

Watch, Suffer.

Rachel: 00:06:51

Profit.

Han: 00:06:51

Like, reduce, reuse, recycle.

Han: 00:06:53

These were weird episodes, man.

Sil: 00:06:55

It was 15 minutes of one, and then it was a Brad and then weird.

Han: 00:07:01

So, like, we knew that seven was gonna be, like, a filler episode, but, like, eight kind of sort of also.

Sil: 00:07:09

Felt like one, I think it was.

Sil: 00:07:11

Yeah.

Han: 00:07:12

And I'm just confused why we did two episodes like that in a row.

Han: 00:07:15

So I'm interested to see, like, what.

Han: 00:07:18

Where we're going.

Han: 00:07:18

Because, like, Tim has said, like, we're hitting the ground running and, like, all this shit's gonna happen in 9 and 10.

Han: 00:07:25

So enjoy your peace for the next three and a half months.

Han: 00:07:29

Okay.

Rachel: 00:07:30

Quote, unquote.

Sil: 00:07:31

I don't know where we're talking about this.

Sil: 00:07:33

I think someone said that it could potentially be him wrapping up his, like, season seven, season seven storylines.

Sil: 00:07:42

So this is like the season seven finale.

Sil: 00:07:45

Like, the true finale.

Rachel: 00:07:46

What would that see?

Han: 00:07:48

Like, what's left?

Sil: 00:07:49

Or.

Sil: 00:07:49

Or we're just setting up the chess pieces.

Rachel: 00:07:56

Bravo.

Han: 00:07:57

Incredible.

Sil: 00:07:58

For storylines from season seven and setting up his chess pieces for some devastating.

Sil: 00:08:04

Hopefully crossing my fingers.

Sil: 00:08:06

Don't let me down, Tim.

Sil: 00:08:07

I mean, I don't trust you anyway, but, I mean, I trust you as far as I can throw you.

Rachel: 00:08:18

Incredible.

Rachel: 00:08:19

Anyway, so Rachel, I'm trying to put.

Rachel: 00:08:22

I have lots of different thoughts.

Rachel: 00:08:25

I'm not sure I've put them all, like, together cohesively on just like a general.

Rachel: 00:08:31

I liked both episodes.

Rachel: 00:08:33

I don't think I like them as much as I liked the first six, which is hard to do, I think.

Rachel: 00:08:41

Inevitably, I just really quickly.

Rachel: 00:08:44

It was.

Han: 00:08:44

It was really interesting to be editing that episode that just came out where you were like, it's hit after hit.

Sil: 00:08:52

I know.

Han: 00:08:53

Right after we watched.

Rachel: 00:08:54

Why you make me eat my words, Tim.

Rachel: 00:08:58

I know.

Rachel: 00:08:59

I think I.

Rachel: 00:08:59

I'm sorry.

Rachel: 00:09:00

I jinxed it.

Rachel: 00:09:01

It was me.

Rachel: 00:09:03

I said the Q word.

Rachel: 00:09:05

It's all on Me.

Rachel: 00:09:06

Sorry, guys.

Rachel: 00:09:07

Sorry.

Rachel: 00:09:07

I'll take.

Rachel: 00:09:09

Take one for the team, I guess.

Rachel: 00:09:10

I know it's.

Rachel: 00:09:11

And it's like.

Rachel: 00:09:12

I don't.

Rachel: 00:09:13

I don't think they were bad episodes.

Rachel: 00:09:16

There were a lot of elements in there that I really, really enjoyed.

Rachel: 00:09:20

There were some elements in there that I am still kind of conflicted.

Rachel: 00:09:25

Well, conflicted on, of course, but, like, conflicted on why they were included at this point in.

Rachel: 00:09:33

In time sort of thing.

Rachel: 00:09:35

And I do think, like, inevitably, because it was kind of hit the ground running for one through six, you know, inevitably, you're gonna.

Rachel: 00:09:44

I don't want to say, like, hit a little bit of a wall, but hit a little bit of a stall, I guess, where the progression isn't going to be quite as.

Rachel: 00:09:57

Quite as immediate in the storylines.

Rachel: 00:10:01

But at the same time, why are you including or introducing new storylines that are not progressing?

Rachel: 00:10:08

You know, the characters, developments, Which I guess is my main.

Rachel: 00:10:13

Okay, caveat.

Rachel: 00:10:14

I loved it.

Rachel: 00:10:16

Generally, my main critique is why they included stuff with, like, the Cart Cop in episode eight, because it just seemed like it didn't really, like, fit with the rest of the episode.

Rachel: 00:10:31

An episode that we already have, like, some levity with the Brad Torrance plotline.

Rachel: 00:10:38

And usually they would structure it out with a little more gravity.

Han: 00:10:43

And then we talk about with.

Han: 00:10:44

We were like, it's B plot.

Han: 00:10:46

It's not even C plot.

Han: 00:10:47

And we're like, why are we spending this much time on this when we already just did Athena's thing in the last episode?

Rachel: 00:10:55

That was kind of strange to me, too, because in seven, they did introduce this new progression of Athena's arc or development, which I think we all are not big fans of how they did it.

Rachel: 00:11:10

I understand why or what they're trying to get her to do.

Rachel: 00:11:16

I don't think that was the correct vehicle for it.

Rachel: 00:11:19

And then just, like, not pick it up in the next episode.

Rachel: 00:11:22

That seemed kind of disjointed to me like that.

Rachel: 00:11:25

But the way they structured Sum of eight, where Eddie's plotline was the emotional aspect, but it.

Rachel: 00:11:33

It was kind of given, like, the.

Han: 00:11:35

C plot, which was crazy because they gave him this big setup in six, and then he got nothing in seven, which is fine, whatever.

Han: 00:11:45

But then I feel like he should have been, at bare minimum, B plot in eight.

Sil: 00:11:50

I'm just gonna say I think it's weird that they seem to be doing that a lot.

Sil: 00:11:55

I mean, I think the streets have said that that's kind of what they do for Eddie anyway.

Sil: 00:12:00

Where they set up.

Sil: 00:12:01

Where they set him up.

Sil: 00:12:02

On these, like, great emotional arcs, but they don't spend a lot of time.

Sil: 00:12:07

And I know it's not the Eddie show.

Sil: 00:12:09

I'm not asking for it to be the Eddie show.

Sil: 00:12:11

I'm just saying, like, we're the Eddie show.

Sil: 00:12:14

We're the Eddie show.

Sil: 00:12:15

But I think Eddie's, like, storylines this season, and I guess a lot of them really, but especially this season, I feel like they're the ones with, like, the most stakes.

Sil: 00:12:28

And it's kind of like, why, like, the highest stakes, you know, like, why aren't you spending as much time as you should?

Sil: 00:12:35

Then again, we do have the back half of the season, which I hope we get to see more.

Rachel: 00:12:41

And, like, I'm not.

Rachel: 00:12:42

I'm not expecting every episode to truly get every character's development, like, further down the field.

Rachel: 00:12:51

However, I do have to kind of question, like, I love all of the Hotshot stuff, and I really.

Rachel: 00:12:58

I truly did enjoy it, but it was an interesting choice to me to give Brad the A plot, the emotional development of episode eight in lieu of some of our other characters.

Rachel: 00:13:14

Like, if that.

Rachel: 00:13:14

I think that would have maybe.

Rachel: 00:13:16

And maybe this is like, something that would have happened in editing rather than, you know, in filming and the actual production, but maybe this is something in post production that just the way they, like, ended up structuring the episode.

Han: 00:13:31

Yeah.

Han: 00:13:32

I mean, we don't know how much they filmed and how much, like, they decided to put in a different episode.

Han: 00:13:36

Because I do know that ends up happening.

Han: 00:13:38

But it's hard when we're in the middle of it to be like, okay, we're trying to trust the process, but you were aces for the first six, and then these two were so.

Han: 00:13:50

Question mark.

Sil: 00:13:52

I still feel like they could have given us one more episode before the hiatus.

Sil: 00:13:59

They could have given us that half.

Sil: 00:14:01

Because I'm guessing our premiere is going to be a two parter.

Han: 00:14:04

Yeah, that's why they.

Rachel: 00:14:05

I think Tia said that do it.

Sil: 00:14:08

I know, but, like, that would have.

Han: 00:14:09

But they have enough shit that they could have.

Han: 00:14:11

I mean, to us that for what we know, our knowledge right now, I feel like they have enough shit that they could have done another episode.

Han: 00:14:17

They could have done another episode.

Han: 00:14:19

And they could have spent an entire episode of Hot Shots doing.

Han: 00:14:22

I mean, we'll talk about this later.

Han: 00:14:23

They could have spent the entire Hotshots episode actually doing Hot Shots.

Rachel: 00:14:28

It just makes me kind of curious to know, like, why they were structuring things out this way and giving Brad the A plot.

Rachel: 00:14:40

And I hate to be such a stickler on ABC plot because usually it doesn't matter to me, but I feel like it could have been so much more impactful if maybe it was a supporting plot rather than the premiere one.

Rachel: 00:14:55

And as much as I really do enjoy the entire concept of Hotshots and having it interact with our characters or Fire fam and we'll talk about this again a little bit more.

Rachel: 00:15:07

I did kind of want a little bit more meta from it.

Rachel: 00:15:12

And not to say that we can't see any of that going forward in the future now that they've established this.

Rachel: 00:15:18

And I don't want this to come off as like gripey or like I like not like not even disappointed.

Rachel: 00:15:26

I'm just kind of.

Rachel: 00:15:27

I'm more curious about the decisions that were made for these two episodes specifically in how they ended up airing.

Rachel: 00:15:37

Because at this point with the mid season hiatus, like I understand that it couldn't really gone full force for like too long before you have to get to like a little like bump in a road.

Rachel: 00:15:52

That's just how things go.

Rachel: 00:15:54

Wasn't expecting it to be like eight episodes of like the most impactful, amazing television I've ever seen because that's not, that's not realistic.

Rachel: 00:16:03

It's optimistic and I love being optimistic, but it's, it's not quite realistic.

Rachel: 00:16:08

So I, I guess, I guess my, my takeaway is just like I'm very interested in hearing more about like the, the decision making for like why some of these and specifically Athena's in both episodes storylines were introduced at this specific point and why they decided to, you know, balance the hot shots so heavily as opposed to have it take like B plot and have it more like supporting our main characters rather than the other way around.

Rachel: 00:16:41

Which I think is some of the opinions that I've also seen going around online.

Rachel: 00:16:49

I didn't even talk about the, the Buck and Eddie stuff.

Rachel: 00:16:52

Fantastic.

Rachel: 00:16:52

Heartbreaking.

Rachel: 00:16:53

Loved it.

Rachel: 00:16:53

No notes.

Rachel: 00:16:56

That's it.

Rachel: 00:16:57

I'll finish my thoughts now.

Han: 00:16:59

I will just say I think that's why eight perplexed me a little bit, is because like, even though I didn't like, you know, the A plot of episode seven, and I was like, I enjoy the Brad stuff.

Han: 00:17:12

I think it's funny.

Han: 00:17:13

And people are like, why are we spending this much time on Brad?

Han: 00:17:15

I was like, well, they're setting up the big thing that's gonna happen with him in episode eight.

Han: 00:17:20

But I assume the big thing that was gonna happen with him was going to like directly affect a member of the 118 team and be a support.

Rachel: 00:17:29

And, like, rather than make him the main character.

Han: 00:17:32

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:17:33

Of not just hotshots, but of 911 for the episode.

Han: 00:17:36

Yeah.

Han: 00:17:36

So, like, I mean, I wasn't, like, on the Internet, like, defending it, but that's.

Han: 00:17:40

That was my thinking.

Han: 00:17:41

Cause, like, people were upset, and I was like, well, they're obviously setting up something huge.

Rachel: 00:17:44

Yeah.

Sil: 00:17:45

I thought he was gonna be a baddie.

Sil: 00:17:47

Not a baddie.

Sil: 00:17:48

You know what I mean?

Sil: 00:17:49

I mean, I thought he was gonna go psycho on us.

Rachel: 00:17:52

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:17:53

Which.

Rachel: 00:17:53

It could have gone that way.

Rachel: 00:17:55

But I think.

Han: 00:17:56

I think I more was, like, because of the interviews Tim gave after seven where he was, like, talking about these attributes, where I thought, like, the emotional impact that he was gonna have with Eddie was gonna be more than just being like, you shouldn't let there be that much distance between you and your son.

Rachel: 00:18:12

Yeah.

Han: 00:18:12

Like, I don't.

Rachel: 00:18:13

Kind of giving worse advice than Bob.

Han: 00:18:15

Not that it wasn't impactful.

Rachel: 00:18:16

It wasn't bad advice.

Rachel: 00:18:18

No.

Rachel: 00:18:18

It's just the way Eddie takes it.

Han: 00:18:20

But, like.

Han: 00:18:21

But I was like, that was it, like, all of the screen time he got.

Han: 00:18:24

And this is what we were setting up.

Han: 00:18:25

Because it's like, the show doesn't do this.

Han: 00:18:27

We don't take supporting characters and give them a plot that's not, like, a thing espec.

Han: 00:18:34

Especially if they're not, like, directly affect.

Han: 00:18:36

Like, what's happening with them is directly furthering the arc.

Han: 00:18:40

The main who is in.

Rachel: 00:18:42

Usually it's just a little better intertwined, I think.

Han: 00:18:46

But, like, he was most entertaining in a way that.

Han: 00:18:49

But, like, this wasn't furthering Bobby's arc at all.

Rachel: 00:18:52

Yeah, I think sometime most of the time.

Rachel: 00:18:56

And what we really enjoy about 911 is when we do have these, like, you know, supporting characters, their stories are intertwined a little bit better in a way that more greatly serves our main characters.

Rachel: 00:19:12

And it felt a little flipped in this instance, which, again, I don't hate.

Rachel: 00:19:19

I'm just interested and curious of the why.

Rachel: 00:19:24

And I think.

Rachel: 00:19:25

And I will say I think Callum Blue did a fantastic job.

Rachel: 00:19:29

He was killing it, like, throughout the entire season so far.

Rachel: 00:19:33

Like, he has been a fantastic guest star and, like, stepped up to the plate with every single thing that they were giving him.

Rachel: 00:19:41

So, like, that was.

Rachel: 00:19:42

It was really enjoyable and fun to watch.

Rachel: 00:19:45

But when I look back at the story structure of it all, I'm just.

Han: 00:19:48

Like, what are we doing?

Sil: 00:19:50

The only guest star to ever guest star.

Rachel: 00:19:53

I knew what you were thinking when I saw your eyes when I was saying that, and I didn't Intend it like that.

Rachel: 00:19:58

But, you know.

Sil: 00:19:58

Sorry.

Han: 00:19:59

Like, was satisfied with his role.

Sil: 00:20:02

Yeah.

Sil: 00:20:02

With his overall arc.

Han: 00:20:04

Really happy for him because I know that he came back on a long hiatus, so it's great that he, like.

Sil: 00:20:08

Yeah, that's great.

Han: 00:20:10

Got to come on a show with a great cast who really love to welcome their guest stars.

Rachel: 00:20:15

Okay.

Rachel: 00:20:16

So.

Rachel: 00:20:16

And now that we've gotten that kind of out of the way, our kind of messy thoughts.

Rachel: 00:20:20

And that's.

Rachel: 00:20:20

I think that's why, like, these episodes are kind of confusing for us to speak about because it's just kind of.

Han: 00:20:27

Like we don't know where we're going.

Rachel: 00:20:28

We liked it, but confused.

Rachel: 00:20:32

What are we doing, I think, for the themes as we're continuing looking at that are peppered in throughout the season, there's been a lot of kind of, like, driving home of ones that we've already spoken about quite kind of quite at length.

Rachel: 00:20:49

Specifically things about parents being present or absent.

Rachel: 00:20:53

Missing out on big moments was a.

Rachel: 00:20:55

Was a large, you know, call out in episode eight and stuff.

Rachel: 00:21:02

I mean, we're going to get to a lot of stuff about trust and unresolved traumas and abandonment issues.

Rachel: 00:21:09

Shocking.

Rachel: 00:21:10

I know.

Rachel: 00:21:11

And then I would say there's more masks, disguises.

Rachel: 00:21:15

Honestly, all of this stuff we've kind of covered a little bit before.

Rachel: 00:21:18

I think a theme that was introduced a little more specifically in these couple episodes was like, impulsivity.

Rachel: 00:21:26

And it's not that we don't see it previous to this, but I think there's more emphasis on it specifically talking about, like, how Eddie is making some of these impulsive decisions.

Rachel: 00:21:38

I guess Brad kind of going in to be the hero when, oh, yeah, he's supposed to hang back with the cart cop and the people who he spoke to and how they were, like, very quick to, like, threaten an anger.

Han: 00:21:52

I think we said it was Buck fighting his impulsivity with the baking and going to Eddie's house.

Rachel: 00:21:59

Yes.

Rachel: 00:22:00

So, like, because his impulse is to, like, text Tommy, so instead he's fighting.

Rachel: 00:22:05

Fighting that.

Rachel: 00:22:05

So it's been kind of a thread I think we've seen running under the surface.

Rachel: 00:22:10

But this one, these couple episodes kind of brought it out in more like, full color, I guess.

Rachel: 00:22:16

If you want some more in depth about our themes, check out our.

Rachel: 00:22:20

About the Season 8 themes.

Han: 00:22:21

You can watch the other Season 8 episodes.

Rachel: 00:22:23

Check out our other Season 8 specials because we talk about those a little bit more.

Rachel: 00:22:27

But we don't want to be too repetitive.

Rachel: 00:22:30

Repetitive with all that.

Rachel: 00:22:32

It just reiterated a lot of stuff that we're already, like, seeing very much throughout productiones.

Han: 00:22:39

So.

Han: 00:22:39

Yeah, just a couple things for production.

Han: 00:22:42

Behind the scenes.

Han: 00:22:43

In episode eight, when we were back on the Hot Shot set, there is a cameo from one of the actual makeup artists on 911, Julia.

Rachel: 00:22:54

And that's when Chimney is getting, like, the eye patches and stuff.

Rachel: 00:22:58

Right.

Rachel: 00:22:59

It's so funny.

Rachel: 00:23:00

And I think.

Rachel: 00:23:02

Was it Ryan that pointed it out in his Instagram stories?

Rachel: 00:23:06

Because, like, I wouldn't have.

Han: 00:23:07

Yeah, I wouldn't have either.

Rachel: 00:23:08

It's really cool.

Rachel: 00:23:09

I.

Rachel: 00:23:10

I want to bet that there is a lot of crew making little cameos whenever they're on, like, the Hot Shot set.

Rachel: 00:23:19

Because it's just like, you know, anytime there's like a show or a movie making a show or a movie about making a show or a movie, God, this is going to get confusing.

Rachel: 00:23:29

But.

Rachel: 00:23:31

And it's like you see all, like the cameras and all.

Sil: 00:23:34

So you mean like the mockumentary from Misha Collins.

Han: 00:23:38

Okay.

Han: 00:23:39

And there was.

Han: 00:23:40

I think Ryan also posted this.

Han: 00:23:42

Thanks for feeding us, Ryan.

Han: 00:23:44

He posted.

Rachel: 00:23:45

Well, I think it was from a crew member.

Han: 00:23:47

Okay.

Rachel: 00:23:48

But I don't.

Han: 00:23:49

He's posting it to his stories and I don't think we would see it otherwise because I don't think we're, like, following many crew members.

Han: 00:23:56

But yeah, so there was this behind the scenes video of the Hot Shots end scene in episode eight, which is cool because it's, you know, behind the scenes of them shooting, acting like they're firefighters acting like they're actors acting.

Rachel: 00:24:11

There's a lot of layers.

Rachel: 00:24:12

There's a lot of layers here.

Rachel: 00:24:14

It's like behind the scenes of 911, of Hotshots filming Hot Shots.

Rachel: 00:24:21

It gets very meta, very confusing very quickly.

Rachel: 00:24:25

But it's so funny because it's an alternate take from the cameo thing that we got actually in the episode.

Rachel: 00:24:34

And oh, my God, it's so funny because you can see Ryan as Eddie who.

Rachel: 00:24:41

Eddie, who would not be currently in the shot.

Han: 00:24:45

Yes.

Han: 00:24:45

In Hot Shots.

Rachel: 00:24:47

In.

Rachel: 00:24:48

In the Hot Shot shot is still there, but, like, we would be seeing it from, like, the 911 lens.

Rachel: 00:24:55

And Eddie is reciting everybody's lines to.

Han: 00:24:59

Like a wall or something to get.

Rachel: 00:25:01

Out of the way.

Han: 00:25:03

So cute.

Rachel: 00:25:05

And he's just like, learning, knows everybody's lines and apparently got like, really into it.

Rachel: 00:25:10

I wonder if that's something else that brought him joy.

Rachel: 00:25:13

And then Buck just totally, like, flubs one of his lines and then like, Eddie looks confused because he's like, that's not the correct line.

Rachel: 00:25:21

And Chimney's Just there being, like, fantastic.

Rachel: 00:25:27

He's got a real future in the business, kid.

Rachel: 00:25:31

So sorry.

Sil: 00:25:35

Why are you like this?

Han: 00:25:38

Just where does.

Han: 00:25:38

Where does this come from?

Rachel: 00:25:41

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:25:43

Like, the thing is, even if we weren't filming, I would still be.

Han: 00:25:46

I.

Han: 00:25:46

Well, we're fully aware.

Han: 00:25:49

This is.

Han: 00:25:50

None of.

Han: 00:25:51

None of this is for show.

Han: 00:25:53

This is just who we are as people.

Han: 00:25:55

You're welcome.

Han: 00:25:56

Or we're sorry.

Han: 00:25:57

We're not sorry.

Han: 00:25:58

You're welcome.

Rachel: 00:25:59

You're welcome.

Sil: 00:25:59

We're not sorry.

Han: 00:26:00

You're listening to us.

Han: 00:26:01

You're welcome.

Han: 00:26:04

Yeah.

Sil: 00:26:05

You chose this.

Rachel: 00:26:06

Thank you for putting.

Han: 00:26:06

Thank you for choosing this.

Rachel: 00:26:09

Thank you for watching the buddy system.

Sil: 00:26:10

Yeah.

Sil: 00:26:11

That was not a threat at all.

Rachel: 00:26:13

You chose this.

Sil: 00:26:14

Rachel, please continue.

Rachel: 00:26:16

I just really like that too, because it showed that there was obviously more stuff that, you know, ends up on the cutting room floor.

Rachel: 00:26:23

But I thought it was really neat because of the way it was being filmed, where it was like, being filmed, that it was, like, behind the scenes of the show sort of stuff.

Rachel: 00:26:31

So we can get into, like, some of the meta of the hot shots of it all.

Rachel: 00:26:37

I think this would be a good opportunity, too, about, like, what we got and maybe some things that, like, we wish we could have gotten with the meta.

Rachel: 00:26:46

Maybe, like, some missed opportunities or have or yet to be fortunized.

Sil: 00:26:51

Okay.

Sil: 00:26:52

So I'm wondering if, like, there was, like.

Sil: 00:26:55

I'm wondering why they didn't, like, react to Hot Shots basically, I guess, following through with, like, their greatest hits, you know, the 118's greatest hits.

Sil: 00:27:05

Like, we've got Rebar.

Sil: 00:27:07

Yeah, there would have.

Sil: 00:27:08

There should have been, like.

Rachel: 00:27:09

Sure.

Sil: 00:27:09

With a rebar on, an extra with the rebar.

Sil: 00:27:12

And, like, there should have been, I don't know, maybe a scene where Chimney just comes face to face with that and be like, oh, yeah, that's not a great time.

Sil: 00:27:22

I don't know.

Han: 00:27:23

We see him in the background while they're there.

Han: 00:27:25

So Chimney should have seen.

Rachel: 00:27:26

They're looking at the guy hanging off the ladder.

Sil: 00:27:29

Oh, that too.

Sil: 00:27:30

Also, like, why did we not have, like, I don't know, some kind of, like, reaction?

Sil: 00:27:37

It didn't.

Rachel: 00:27:38

It could.

Sil: 00:27:38

It could have been a subtle reaction.

Sil: 00:27:40

If I get.

Rachel: 00:27:41

Is this play about us?

Sil: 00:27:42

No, but, like, also, like, do we really want to send Buck and Eddie up there?

Sil: 00:27:46

Like, you know what I mean?

Han: 00:27:47

Something.

Sil: 00:27:48

Yeah, something.

Sil: 00:27:49

Something acknowledging that this is what they've lived through.

Rachel: 00:27:53

Yeah.

Sil: 00:27:53

And why.

Sil: 00:27:54

And then.

Sil: 00:27:55

And then I'm questioning.

Sil: 00:27:56

Okay, so why is Hotshots doing their best of their best ofs?

Sil: 00:28:03

I mean, I know we have the headcanon.

Sil: 00:28:05

Who knows if they're going to.

Rachel: 00:28:06

I wonder then if a lot of that stuff is another, like, more.

Rachel: 00:28:12

More things that have kind of they filmed.

Rachel: 00:28:16

And it just didn't quite fit with the episode, depending on who was cutting it.

Rachel: 00:28:22

Because I know Tim said in one of the interviews he gave the day that 808 came out, and he did say to TV Line that there was a doppelganger gag cut from 807, where, you know, I think we saw again, in some videos behind the scenes, there was like, a Buck lookalike, a hen lookalike, an Eddie lookalike with the mustache.

Rachel: 00:28:44

And Tim said it might be something to revisit in the future.

Rachel: 00:28:47

So it's like, I wonder how much of that, like, they were trying to include and just, like, ended up not.

Rachel: 00:28:55

But I would have liked seeing more of it, for sure.

Sil: 00:28:58

I wonder if we're gonna continue.

Sil: 00:29:00

Continue with Hotshots, then.

Han: 00:29:02

I'm okay with us seeing more of Hotshots as long as Brad is not the focus.

Rachel: 00:29:07

Because I think the way that they can do it in the future is, like, have these little cutaways to the show.

Han: 00:29:16

I would love to see them randomly, like, the show on in the background.

Han: 00:29:20

Like, it doesn't even need to be watching it.

Han: 00:29:23

It could be on.

Han: 00:29:24

On Eddie's tv.

Han: 00:29:25

Buck catches him watching it beyond at the station, and people are like, oh, my God, change the channel.

Han: 00:29:30

Like, you know, I also am just so mad.

Han: 00:29:34

I'm mad.

Han: 00:29:35

I'm a little mad because they have that opening in 808 where they have the whole, like, big scene, where it is the thing that we've been asking for since we knew that Hotshots was going to be a thing, which was for them to watch a scene and be like, is this fucking play about us?

Rachel: 00:29:52

Yeah.

Han: 00:29:52

So for it to just be like, some random fucking thing that was, like, foreshadowing something that they were doing for was like.

Rachel: 00:30:00

As opposed to, like, a true.

Han: 00:30:01

It was still funny.

Han: 00:30:02

Like, it was still a funny scene.

Han: 00:30:04

Like, it was entertaining, don't get me wrong.

Han: 00:30:05

But I was like, that was a missed opportunity for me.

Han: 00:30:08

Like, that would have been like a home run.

Rachel: 00:30:11

I think, again, this is us coming from, like, Supernatural, where we had episodes, like, fan fiction, where they're literally watching a play about them.

Han: 00:30:21

French mistake.

Rachel: 00:30:22

The French mistake.

Rachel: 00:30:23

Exactly.

Rachel: 00:30:23

So much meta.

Rachel: 00:30:24

So, like.

Rachel: 00:30:25

And Supernatural was very good about their meta.

Rachel: 00:30:30

I think that is one of the things that they did, like, superbly well, like, kind of far and beyond A lot of other shows that try to get meta, like Supernatural hit a home run with the meta stuff every time.

Rachel: 00:30:41

So I think, like, if we revisit Hotshots in the future of 911, now that it's been established and it would make sense, I would love to see it kind of like either playing in the background or just like a brief kind of cutaway to it or something.

Rachel: 00:30:55

Or like, yeah, basically playing in the background.

Rachel: 00:30:58

Some characters are watching it and if you're paying enough attention, it will either be paralleling or foreshadowing for character development or previous character arcs and something like that.

Rachel: 00:31:11

And that's when you.

Rachel: 00:31:12

It would also be a great moment for, you know, that character to actually walk by and see, you know, one of their other people on the 118 and watching it and just like stop for a second and be like, because it's about them and then have that kind of.

Rachel: 00:31:28

It.

Rachel: 00:31:28

It.

Rachel: 00:31:28

It would be a good way to kind of like inspire some self awareness, self analysis, that kind of stuff which, which can help spur further character development.

Rachel: 00:31:40

And that would be like a really subtle, easy thing to do.

Rachel: 00:31:43

That would be a fun wink, nod to us, the audience, to the people making the show.

Rachel: 00:31:53

Like, you know, just like one of those like multi layered things that could help move the character development further down the field without doing too much, you know.

Han: 00:32:03

I think they did some good meta, though.

Han: 00:32:06

That we got is, yes, when Brad is talking down the jumper and like, you know, Brad's playing up like his whole woe is me.

Rachel: 00:32:18

Oh, woe is me.

Han: 00:32:20

And then they have the jumper say like, no, like your show does, like, it matters to millions of people and like, got me through a dark time and da da, da, da, da, da.

Han: 00:32:32

And I was like, that's good meta.

Han: 00:32:33

That's a good nod to your audience.

Rachel: 00:32:36

I did really like that scene as well because there you also have Brad playing meta, like in his own life.

Rachel: 00:32:44

Not just like meta in the show, but like, he is.

Rachel: 00:32:47

He is very much the woe is me because he is feeling that truthfully.

Rachel: 00:32:51

And that is him like, being authentic.

Rachel: 00:32:53

But he also knows how to turn it on in just the right way because you see that kind of like, smile of like, oh, yeah, okay, it's working.

Rachel: 00:33:01

But he's also indulging in these feelings.

Rachel: 00:33:06

So I thought that was well done too.

Han: 00:33:08

I love when there are two moments.

Han: 00:33:12

So there's.

Han: 00:33:13

One of them is at the beginning of the episode when he's asking for critiques because he's like, you hated it.

Han: 00:33:18

And Hen's like, we wouldn't call it a hydraulic.

Han: 00:33:22

Hydraulic something.

Han: 00:33:23

We would just call it a spreader.

Han: 00:33:24

And he was like, the network.

Han: 00:33:27

The network said no.

Rachel: 00:33:28

Right.

Han: 00:33:29

The network thought it was too risque or was too salacious or something.

Han: 00:33:33

Right.

Han: 00:33:34

And then later in the episode when he's talking to Eddie, he's like, yeah, I flew here for a CW pilot.

Han: 00:33:41

I'm going to take these things multiple ways.

Han: 00:33:45

The.

Han: 00:33:46

The network kibosh for being salacious or whatever I feel like is a dual dig.

Han: 00:33:50

I don't know if they meant to dig at Supernatural with that one, but I.

Han: 00:33:54

It absolutely was to me, especially with the CW1 later.

Rachel: 00:33:57

I mean, we can take it personally.

Rachel: 00:33:59

I thought it.

Rachel: 00:33:59

I thought it would be more of a dig at Fox.

Han: 00:34:01

That's what I was going to say.

Han: 00:34:02

It's definitely a dig at Fox.

Han: 00:34:04

It's definitely a dig at Fox.

Han: 00:34:06

So that's why I was saying.

Rachel: 00:34:07

For not allowing certain things.

Han: 00:34:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Han: 00:34:10

Well, I mean, because those things are the same thing.

Rachel: 00:34:13

Yeah.

Han: 00:34:13

Right.

Han: 00:34:14

And then it was the week.

Han: 00:34:15

It was the year anniversary of the Supernatural finale.

Han: 00:34:20

So like, of course it was.

Rachel: 00:34:22

I just.

Rachel: 00:34:22

Yep.

Han: 00:34:23

I just thought that was a funny haha.

Han: 00:34:24

On purpose in both cases.

Rachel: 00:34:26

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:34:27

Anything poking fun about the cw, we will.

Han: 00:34:29

I'll eat that shit up.

Rachel: 00:34:30

Take it and laugh.

Rachel: 00:34:31

And I'm like, maybe Hotshots is on.

Rachel: 00:34:36

Is on a network.

Rachel: 00:34:38

I know some people are like CBA or xyz.

Rachel: 00:34:41

And I'm like, I think it's on fcw.

Han: 00:34:44

I think it must actually be on an.

Han: 00:34:47

On.

Han: 00:34:48

On an ABC or something though, for the amount of people that like, recognize him so easily.

Rachel: 00:34:53

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:34:53

Oh, it was like.

Rachel: 00:34:55

I mean, it is the 911 of their universe.

Rachel: 00:34:57

So it is on a major network.

Rachel: 00:34:59

So yeah.

Han: 00:34:59

The CW doesn't have the money for 911.

Rachel: 00:35:02

CW would not have the money for Hot Shots and Brad Torrance like at all.

Rachel: 00:35:10

I wonder though, then, if someone on the cast did audition for a pilot in on the CW and like, it didn't go.

Rachel: 00:35:19

I wonder if that was like a little like under the radar thing.

Han: 00:35:23

I don't know.

Han: 00:35:24

That would be a good question.

Rachel: 00:35:25

That would be funny.

Sil: 00:35:26

I mean, which one is most likely?

Rachel: 00:35:28

Honestly, it could be anybody.

Han: 00:35:30

I want to say Ryan.

Sil: 00:35:33

I was gonna say Oliver.

Rachel: 00:35:34

Could be.

Han: 00:35:35

I'm just gonna say Ryan because that man.

Sil: 00:35:38

Well, that man is everywhere.

Han: 00:35:39

That man is everywhere.

Han: 00:35:40

Like, I feel like he's done everything you could tell me at literally anything and I'd be like, well, of course.

Rachel: 00:35:46

His resume is like 3ft long.

Han: 00:35:49

It's the Crowley gift.

Rachel: 00:35:50

Just like, done.

Rachel: 00:35:51

Everything under the sun would not take us by surprise, but yes, always enjoy meta storylines.

Rachel: 00:35:59

Like, please, please revisit the Hotshots again in the future.

Rachel: 00:36:03

Like, it's so much fun to kind of, like, look at.

Rachel: 00:36:06

To have our characters look at themselves through a different lens than they would normally.

Rachel: 00:36:13

And I hope we kind of.

Rachel: 00:36:14

If we revisit it, I hope we would see more of it in that.

Rachel: 00:36:18

In that sense, because that was like, the only thing that would have made it, like, even better, you know, shall we move into talking about some of our characters and.

Rachel: 00:36:29

Okay, so let's get the elephant out of the room right off the bat.

Rachel: 00:36:34

That was a lot of metaphors all in one sentence.

Rachel: 00:36:36

Let's talk about Athena.

Rachel: 00:36:37

I think we all have very similar, if not the same opinion on this.

Rachel: 00:36:44

And Han, I know I.

Rachel: 00:36:46

I think you were able to, like, articulate it kind of.

Han: 00:36:50

I wrote down a thing just because I don't actually want to get into this too deep here.

Han: 00:36:55

I know, like, we will when we do our rewatch.

Han: 00:36:58

You know, we get.

Han: 00:36:59

We dive deeper into this stuff when.

Rachel: 00:37:00

We get to season eight in a jillion years, but I just.

Han: 00:37:04

I don't have the capacity to really get into it right now, especially with, like, the climate of everything at this juncture.

Rachel: 00:37:13

It's unnecessary for us to wade into at this moment.

Han: 00:37:16

So, like, I do want to address it, though, because, like, I have to, because it was put in front of me, and that's what this show is about.

Han: 00:37:23

So I think the storyline with the power hungry rookie cop was unnecessary.

Han: 00:37:28

He was a foil to Athena's character and served the purpose of inspiring her to take on a different rookie to train them.

Han: 00:37:34

Right.

Han: 00:37:34

That end goal could have been reached so many other ways, like, literally.

Han: 00:37:39

So many other ways.

Han: 00:37:40

Like, literally could have used that Cart.

Rachel: 00:37:43

Cop, which is what I thought they were continuing with it, but we'll get.

Rachel: 00:37:47

We'll get to that.

Han: 00:37:48

Seeing a police officer shoot a civilian opens up a can of worms that you have to address, but this episode did none of that.

Han: 00:37:56

And having Athena shake his hand after everything was especially tone deaf.

Rachel: 00:38:00

So that's.

Rachel: 00:38:01

I think that speaks for all three of us pretty well.

Rachel: 00:38:06

Thank you for honing that in, because otherwise I would have been like.

Han: 00:38:10

And I just, like, don't want to get too deep into it because, like, I will spiral and I will go off and, like, that's not.

Rachel: 00:38:16

We don't want to do that.

Han: 00:38:16

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:38:17

I think the only thing that I want to address about that is like how Athena's character going forward, like that's.

Rachel: 00:38:26

That's going to be the purpose of that entire storyline was to get Athena to say, like, hey, you know, I think I'd like to take some rookies and mentor them and take them under my wing sort of thing.

Rachel: 00:38:39

Which is a big character departure.

Rachel: 00:38:43

Different or not, I wouldn't say it's a character.

Han: 00:38:47

It's a departure from her stance in her professional life, from her stance she's always taken.

Rachel: 00:38:52

Yeah, yeah.

Rachel: 00:38:53

It's still.

Rachel: 00:38:53

It's still in character, but it's.

Han: 00:38:55

No, I'm not saying it's out of character.

Han: 00:38:57

It's just out of.

Rachel: 00:38:58

Okay, I gotcha.

Han: 00:38:59

How she operates as a police officer.

Rachel: 00:39:01

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:39:02

So, okay.

Rachel: 00:39:03

In that sense, it is a very character departure from what we've seen for, you know, seven years.

Rachel: 00:39:10

And I think the potential of Athena being able to mentor some young people is a really interesting concept and it can be done.

Rachel: 00:39:25

Well.

Rachel: 00:39:26

I thought that's kind of what they were continuing with the cart.

Han: 00:39:29

I'm so glad it's not.

Han: 00:39:30

I'm really hoping they do not give her a straight white man, like literally anything.

Han: 00:39:37

Anything but that.

Rachel: 00:39:39

If they are going to be introducing, like, a rookie cop who Athena will be taking under her wing, they have to.

Rachel: 00:39:46

And I know 911 is generally very good about this.

Rachel: 00:39:50

They have to.

Rachel: 00:39:51

They would be making them like a supporting character unless there's like a rotating door of.

Rachel: 00:39:57

Of them.

Rachel: 00:39:58

But if it's just like one or two, they have to really endear the characters to the audience.

Rachel: 00:40:05

911 generally doesn't have a problem with that.

Han: 00:40:09

Yeah, but they're not normally doing that.

Rachel: 00:40:10

With cops, so it's.

Rachel: 00:40:13

They've.

Rachel: 00:40:13

They're kind of like putting themselves in a.

Rachel: 00:40:16

Like a tight rope to walk on.

Rachel: 00:40:18

But I am interested and still, like, kind of intrigued to see how Athena's going to be dealing with this, how, like, these changes in her professional life are going to be.

Rachel: 00:40:30

And I'm also, I guess, like, the way that I can tie it in to her character as a whole is this season we're seeing a little bit more of Athena communicating with Bobby specifically, and they're more on the same page.

Rachel: 00:40:45

So it's kind of this entirely new chapter in Athena's life.

Rachel: 00:40:50

So that will be interesting.

Rachel: 00:40:53

And that's the only way I can really look at this specifically through that lens.

Rachel: 00:40:58

Let's talk about Bobby now, please.

Han: 00:41:00

What about it?

Rachel: 00:41:04

Oh, I know we have him on here.

Sil: 00:41:08

I don't know.

Sil: 00:41:09

Bobby's just been.

Rachel: 00:41:11

He's our comfort Captain.

Sil: 00:41:12

He's our comfort Captain.

Sil: 00:41:14

He's also, I guess, the cookie for the past two.

Sil: 00:41:22

For the pat.

Sil: 00:41:22

This.

Sil: 00:41:23

This whole entire Hotshots arc.

Sil: 00:41:25

I mean, he had his other scene where I was like, damn, I want the cookie, too.

Rachel: 00:41:30

So I love when we do.

Rachel: 00:41:37

When.

Rachel: 00:41:38

So, like, yeah, I guess Bobby didn't really have a lot of development either in these two episodes, but it was really fun to see him kind of like, you know, when.

Rachel: 00:41:49

When Bobby puts his foot down on stuff and just like.

Rachel: 00:41:52

Because he's so, like, gentle parent, when he gets into these, like, very authoritative moments, it's kind of like.

Han: 00:42:02

Not with Brad, though.

Rachel: 00:42:03

Fun.

Rachel: 00:42:03

Fun and interesting to see what he does.

Han: 00:42:06

Not gentle parent.

Sil: 00:42:07

No, he doesn't.

Rachel: 00:42:08

No.

Rachel: 00:42:09

It's because Brad needed a swift kick.

Sil: 00:42:12

Brad still wanted cookie, though.

Han: 00:42:14

Oh, yeah.

Rachel: 00:42:15

Oh, that made him want him more when he.

Han: 00:42:18

When he's like, yes, Captain.

Rachel: 00:42:21

Yeah, totally.

Rachel: 00:42:23

Like when.

Rachel: 00:42:24

When Bobby.

Rachel: 00:42:25

When Bobby takes Brad aside, like, after the.

Rachel: 00:42:29

The pipe burst call and everything, and totally, like, dresses him down.

Rachel: 00:42:34

That whole speech that.

Rachel: 00:42:37

That Bobby was giving him, I was like, something about this sounds.

Rachel: 00:42:41

Just sounds and feels very familiar.

Rachel: 00:42:43

Where have I, like, heard something like this before?

Rachel: 00:42:46

And I realized it was like Woody talking to Buzz in the first Toy Story where he's like, you are a toy.

Rachel: 00:42:54

And that just really set me off.

Rachel: 00:42:57

Like, I have to, you know, burst your bubble.

Rachel: 00:42:59

I have to give you the reality trick.

Han: 00:43:02

You're not a firefighter, bro.

Rachel: 00:43:03

You need.

Han: 00:43:06

You're going to kill someone.

Han: 00:43:07

This is real life.

Rachel: 00:43:09

I loved that.

Han: 00:43:11

Yeah.

Han: 00:43:11

And I mean, it's all very funny.

Han: 00:43:13

And, like, also, I just, like, give me Bobby yelling at people, like, always, because that's a delicious cookie.

Rachel: 00:43:21

That is a snack.

Rachel: 00:43:25

But we are all.

Rachel: 00:43:28

Brad, in those moments, wanting the cookie.

Han: 00:43:31

Yeah.

Han: 00:43:32

I don't.

Han: 00:43:33

I don't really know what to talk about, like, other than just, like, I.

Rachel: 00:43:36

Know it was nice then that, like, afterwards, he gave Brad, like, the.

Rachel: 00:43:41

The opportunity to, like, feel like a real hero.

Rachel: 00:43:45

But, man, that was, like, a really risky move with, like, you know, negotiation kind of stuff.

Rachel: 00:43:52

And you don't know how it's gonna go, but.

Rachel: 00:43:54

But Bobby knows what he's doing most of the time.

Han: 00:43:57

Remember in the first episode how we talked about how you had to be certified to actually help in those situations?

Rachel: 00:44:05

Yep.

Han: 00:44:05

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:44:06

But I guess it's okay because Hotshots gives the LAFD a lot of money.

Han: 00:44:11

So that's the most realistic that episode, to be honest.

Rachel: 00:44:15

And then I guess we just kind of see, like, the kind of closure, not closure with Gerard.

Rachel: 00:44:21

I Don't think that's even got to.

Han: 00:44:22

Just hope we never see it again.

Rachel: 00:44:24

Yes.

Rachel: 00:44:25

That was so.

Rachel: 00:44:26

I don't know.

Han: 00:44:27

Like, it was nice to see him suffering, but it also was like, we're still playing him up for comedy, and, like, I'm just over it.

Rachel: 00:44:35

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:44:36

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:44:37

So.

Rachel: 00:44:37

So this didn't really, like, drive Bobby's story forward any at all, but it was very enjoyable to watch.

Rachel: 00:44:45

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:44:46

We can start talking about Buck now, I think.

Han: 00:44:48

The love of our lives, our housewife.

Sil: 00:44:54

Oh, I need him to come over so he can bake some stuff for me.

Sil: 00:44:58

Thank you.

Han: 00:44:59

In the hoodie.

Sil: 00:45:00

In the hoodie.

Han: 00:45:00

And the hoodie in the green.

Rachel: 00:45:01

In the breakup.

Rachel: 00:45:02

Green apron.

Sil: 00:45:04

Yeah.

Han: 00:45:04

I don't know why this man serves so hard when he is so depressed.

Rachel: 00:45:10

But it's that classic soundbite.

Han: 00:45:14

Oh, it's the.

Han: 00:45:14

This man got 10 times hotter when.

Sil: 00:45:16

His whole life fell apart.

Rachel: 00:45:18

Yeah, this is true.

Han: 00:45:20

Yeah.

Han: 00:45:21

Oh, pathetic men.

Han: 00:45:23

He needs to be a girl dad immediately.

Sil: 00:45:25

He needs to be a girl dad.

Sil: 00:45:26

Oh, immediately.

Han: 00:45:28

Yes.

Han: 00:45:30

Stat.

Han: 00:45:31

Now give this man a daughter.

Rachel: 00:45:34

If you need sunshine in your life, just, like, watch the scene where he opens up the door and Maddie and Chimney and G is there, and he's like, you didn't tell me.

Rachel: 00:45:43

The most special person in the entire world.

Rachel: 00:45:46

And just, like, I melted.

Han: 00:45:52

Oh, my God.

Sil: 00:45:54

So sweet.

Han: 00:45:56

I also thought it was funny.

Han: 00:45:58

I mean, it's cute, but, like.

Han: 00:45:59

And I don't think that this was intentional, but that's just where my brain goes, because I'm always looking for bisexual puns.

Han: 00:46:05

And I think actually maybe it was on purpose, because this was the episode where he was like, I don't know what pond to jump back into.

Han: 00:46:10

But, like, when he's like.

Han: 00:46:12

He's like, I have this cookie dough and this cookie dough and this cookie dough.

Han: 00:46:15

Like, which one do you want to make?

Han: 00:46:16

And she was like, all of them.

Han: 00:46:18

And he was like, that's the best answer.

Han: 00:46:21

And I was like, that's right, Buck.

Rachel: 00:46:23

Yes.

Rachel: 00:46:24

No, I think that I.

Rachel: 00:46:26

I think that was intentional.

Rachel: 00:46:28

You can have all of them.

Rachel: 00:46:30

It's fine.

Han: 00:46:31

You don't have to choose one.

Han: 00:46:32

That's the beauty of being bisexual.

Han: 00:46:34

Please do a Google search.

Han: 00:46:36

I am begging you, put down the.

Rachel: 00:46:40

Flour in the baking trays and pick up your laptop for once.

Han: 00:46:45

Jesus, please.

Rachel: 00:46:47

Like, the one time he doesn't go on, like, a Wikipedia spiral is just like.

Han: 00:46:53

It's like, you really.

Han: 00:46:54

This is the thing that you chose not to look further into.

Han: 00:46:57

Okay.

Han: 00:46:58

All right.

Han: 00:46:59

So, yeah, I mean, his arc doesn't super move.

Han: 00:47:03

It doesn't really move hardly at all in 807.

Han: 00:47:07

It's just kind of like you're seeing the aftermath of the breakup.

Rachel: 00:47:10

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:47:10

Like, the reaction of it, which is.

Sil: 00:47:12

Something I am just going to say.

Sil: 00:47:15

I had to eat my words.

Sil: 00:47:16

I'm going to take accountability.

Han: 00:47:18

I was like.

Sil: 00:47:19

I remember I.

Sil: 00:47:20

I watched.

Sil: 00:47:22

Yeah.

Sil: 00:47:23

I watched a part of that, and I was like, oh, we're gonna see him not miss Tommy at all or miss Tommy at a surface level, but.

Han: 00:47:31

I think it is level.

Sil: 00:47:33

It is kind of surface level.

Sil: 00:47:35

But I was like, I think we're gonna see.

Sil: 00:47:37

Oh, this is where.

Sil: 00:47:38

This is where I will eat my words now.

Sil: 00:47:41

Oh, we're gonna see him react to Chris leaving, which, honestly, I guess we just.

Sil: 00:47:46

Maybe we'll see it later.

Sil: 00:47:48

I don't know.

Sil: 00:47:48

Because now he has to grapple with the whole Eddie bombshell of it all.

Han: 00:47:53

Yeah.

Han: 00:47:54

I just don't think he's allowed himself to show how that's affecting him.

Han: 00:47:58

Because he.

Han: 00:47:59

Again, is.

Rachel: 00:48:00

The Chris thing.

Han: 00:48:00

Yeah.

Han: 00:48:00

Because.

Rachel: 00:48:01

Or the Tommy.

Han: 00:48:02

The Chris thing.

Sil: 00:48:02

The Chris thing.

Han: 00:48:03

Because he's.

Han: 00:48:04

You know, first and foremost, he has to have Eddie's back, and part of that is, like, not making his emotions.

Han: 00:48:11

Eddie's back.

Han: 00:48:11

Like, not making.

Rachel: 00:48:12

Yeah.

Han: 00:48:13

Not being a burden.

Rachel: 00:48:14

Not.

Rachel: 00:48:15

Not centering Buck's emotions over Eddie's, because he knows Eddie is, like, dealing with it even, like, worse.

Rachel: 00:48:21

So he's just trying to be sort of best friend.

Rachel: 00:48:25

But back to what you were saying.

Rachel: 00:48:27

So I.

Rachel: 00:48:28

And.

Rachel: 00:48:29

And Hannah, I know you.

Rachel: 00:48:30

You agreed.

Rachel: 00:48:30

Like, I think the missing Tommy thing is kind of just, like, the surface level reading, and I think it is a lot, like, deeper than that.

Rachel: 00:48:40

Right.

Rachel: 00:48:40

Where.

Han: 00:48:41

Because it's not spiraling about Tommy.

Han: 00:48:43

It's the spiraling about I am dying alone.

Rachel: 00:48:46

Being left again.

Rachel: 00:48:49

Being left again.

Rachel: 00:48:49

And I think we said enough to.

Han: 00:48:52

Right where it's like, he thought that this was gonna fix his life.

Han: 00:48:55

Like, oh, it's the.

Han: 00:48:56

This thing.

Han: 00:48:57

The being attracted to men thing.

Han: 00:48:58

And, like, now I have.

Han: 00:48:59

Now I'm in a relationship with one.

Han: 00:49:01

So, like, everything will be great.

Han: 00:49:02

And then that blew up, and it was like, after he.

Han: 00:49:06

I just feel like that was such an emotional whiplash.

Han: 00:49:08

It was like the Abby thing.

Han: 00:49:10

And then he, like, worked really hard to, like, get past that and, like, overcorrected and asked him to move in and, like, made himself very vulnerable and literally got.

Rachel: 00:49:21

But he.

Rachel: 00:49:22

I think it also can't be understated, like, the amount of work that he was trying that he was, like, putting into kind of like, get over, like, the Abby Ness of it all.

Rachel: 00:49:32

And we can.

Rachel: 00:49:33

We can lump that in with his, like, you know, radical acceptance sort of thing.

Rachel: 00:49:37

But he did say it was weird for him at first, and I think he was, like, really trying to move past it in a healthy way.

Rachel: 00:49:45

And it just so happened that it wasn't with the healthiest person for him.

Rachel: 00:49:51

Yeah.

Han: 00:49:51

So I don't think.

Han: 00:49:52

I don't think it's.

Han: 00:49:54

I don't think he ever says that he misses Tommy.

Han: 00:49:57

He says.

Han: 00:49:57

He says that he's lonely.

Han: 00:49:59

Okay.

Han: 00:50:00

Right.

Rachel: 00:50:01

Which is another season theme.

Han: 00:50:02

And I also think that that is twofold.

Han: 00:50:05

It's because, yes, he spent a lot of time with Tommy, but who else was he spending time with?

Han: 00:50:11

Tommy and Eddie.

Han: 00:50:13

But, like, we haven't seen him and Eddie hanging out by themselves, so.

Han: 00:50:18

Great.

Han: 00:50:19

So not only is he not having that time with Tommy, he's having way less time with Eddie because, like, that was that buffer that I think he was putting there so that he could, like, keep that mask on his emotions.

Rachel: 00:50:31

Another mask.

Rachel: 00:50:32

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:50:32

That is.

Rachel: 00:50:33

That is interesting, too.

Rachel: 00:50:34

And I.

Rachel: 00:50:35

I'm sure we'll get into it later in, like, our buddy section.

Rachel: 00:50:39

But, like, we really don't see until, like, the very end of 806.

Rachel: 00:50:42

But we don't see Buck and Eddie, like, on their own outside of work when, you know, they're on a job until 8:06.

Rachel: 00:50:52

But that.

Rachel: 00:50:52

But they're still not communicating.

Rachel: 00:50:54

This is getting into buddy territory.

Rachel: 00:50:56

Sorry.

Han: 00:50:57

No, it's not.

Sil: 00:50:58

Because, I mean, their storylines are very intertwined past two episodes anyway.

Rachel: 00:51:05

So then, yeah, the first time we really see Buck and Eddie on their own and having actual communication is in 808.

Rachel: 00:51:15

And we get this big bombshell for man.

Han: 00:51:18

How many bombshells is this man going to be hit with?

Han: 00:51:22

Bombshells are actually.

Han: 00:51:24

Oh, my God.

Han: 00:51:24

Actually, Tim Mynier is evil.

Rachel: 00:51:26

She didn't get it.

Han: 00:51:27

Wait, what?

Han: 00:51:28

Sorry, I had a brain blast.

Han: 00:51:29

I didn't hear what you said.

Rachel: 00:51:30

No, you're right, sorry.

Rachel: 00:51:31

You said.

Rachel: 00:51:32

You said bombshells, and I said bombshells are grenades.

Han: 00:51:35

Yes.

Rachel: 00:51:36

It wasn't that.

Rachel: 00:51:38

What was your brain blast?

Han: 00:51:39

I mean, this isn't something that I haven't thought before, but I think I didn't, like, think about the implications of how evil it was.

Han: 00:51:45

Tim Mynier is evil.

Han: 00:51:46

I think we already knew this.

Rachel: 00:51:48

Yes.

Rachel: 00:51:49

And we love it.

Han: 00:51:50

We love it.

Sil: 00:51:50

I don't trust him.

Rachel: 00:51:51

It's a fact.

Han: 00:51:52

But, like, so we were so excited about the Abbey.

Han: 00:51:56

Like, Abby's Tommy is the same Tommy we were so excited about that.

Han: 00:52:01

But.

Han: 00:52:01

Except.

Han: 00:52:02

Except what did that do?

Han: 00:52:03

It just brought up all the Abbey trauma right before.

Rachel: 00:52:07

Right before he's gonna leave.

Rachel: 00:52:09

Yes.

Rachel: 00:52:10

Just like Abby, which I think.

Rachel: 00:52:12

No, I think that has to be.

Sil: 00:52:14

Like, that's on purpose intentional.

Sil: 00:52:17

I think it's delicious.

Han: 00:52:18

It is, actually.

Rachel: 00:52:20

But, like, it's as delicious as his baking.

Sil: 00:52:23

He is eating with that, you know, go off to Mike.

Sil: 00:52:30

He really was baking.

Sil: 00:52:31

He really was cooking.

Sil: 00:52:32

He was.

Sil: 00:52:33

We're about to.

Sil: 00:52:33

We're about to eat a full course meal.

Sil: 00:52:35

I'm here for it.

Rachel: 00:52:37

Yeah, like.

Rachel: 00:52:38

Like, it just.

Sil: 00:52:41

Sorry.

Han: 00:52:42

Yeah.

Han: 00:52:43

No, he's.

Han: 00:52:43

He was like, I'm going to bake up the absolute worst versions of abandonment issues in this man.

Rachel: 00:52:50

Oh, my gosh.

Han: 00:52:51

Right after he just got left again in his most transformative relationship.

Rachel: 00:52:57

Please.

Rachel: 00:52:57

And on top of.

Rachel: 00:52:58

So, like, on top of Buck having to deal with, like, the Tommy leaving.

Rachel: 00:53:03

And of course, he says he's like, he's ecstatic for Chimney and Maddie and their pregnancy and a new baby.

Rachel: 00:53:09

But, you know, you also have to think in the back of.

Rachel: 00:53:12

In the back of Buck's mind of all the stuff that happened last time.

Rachel: 00:53:17

So they're doing this thing where they're bringing back a lot of buc.

Rachel: 00:53:22

Right, because she left him again.

Rachel: 00:53:27

Exactly.

Rachel: 00:53:28

So evil.

Rachel: 00:53:31

And that's why he keeps saying, yeah, we're going to be dealing with.

Rachel: 00:53:35

With books.

Rachel: 00:53:36

Abandonment issues.

Rachel: 00:53:37

It's like, we already are.

Rachel: 00:53:39

And it's purposeful and is being brought up with.

Rachel: 00:53:42

And that's kind of the thing too, like, with all of the best of.

Rachel: 00:53:46

For, like, the buddy stuff.

Rachel: 00:53:48

But a lot of the parallels that we're seeing from previous seasons for any witch characters, these are coming back into the fold.

Rachel: 00:53:58

And very much like, you know, let's just keep on this pile of more trauma for Buck.

Rachel: 00:54:04

So, like, of course he's still, like, really excited for them.

Rachel: 00:54:09

And I think he's excited to have another niece or nephew because he's so good with kids and he loves it.

Rachel: 00:54:15

It's just.

Han: 00:54:16

I'm excited.

Han: 00:54:17

But also at the same time, he's like, my kid is gone and now never coming back.

Han: 00:54:23

And I'm also just never going to have kids because no one's ever going to stay.

Han: 00:54:29

He's doing fine.

Rachel: 00:54:30

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:54:31

It's like he's getting so close to the things that he aspires to and that he wants, but he's just like a couple steps removed.

Rachel: 00:54:40

Right.

Rachel: 00:54:41

So, like, Maddie and Chimney have the family that he obviously wants and.

Rachel: 00:54:44

And Eddie and Chris, which are basically his families are going away or.

Rachel: 00:54:50

Or half gone already.

Rachel: 00:54:51

And so, yeah, that's.

Rachel: 00:54:53

That's putting a lot of.

Rachel: 00:54:54

I think that is what is.

Rachel: 00:54:56

I mean, obviously it's contributing to the spiraling, but everyone is kind of assuming it's the Tommy thing.

Rachel: 00:55:03

And I think on some level, he.

Rachel: 00:55:06

Buck wants it to be just about the Tommy thing.

Han: 00:55:08

Well, he's like, if I.

Han: 00:55:09

If he's like.

Han: 00:55:10

But if I do text him and, like, we get back together, everything will be fine, because then he doesn't have to think about.

Rachel: 00:55:16

Yeah, it's putting.

Rachel: 00:55:17

It's putting a band aid over everything.

Rachel: 00:55:19

And I'm not sure making the.

Rachel: 00:55:22

Like, him jonesing for, like, to reach for texting Tommy.

Rachel: 00:55:29

And he needed.

Rachel: 00:55:30

I forget the exact wording, but, like, in 807, Bobby, you know, says, like, you know, the baking is a healthy coping mechanism.

Rachel: 00:55:38

That's what happens with.

Rachel: 00:55:39

That's what you try to do.

Han: 00:55:41

Says, I don't feel uncovered.

Han: 00:55:42

All I feel is a tractor being pulling me to my phone.

Rachel: 00:55:45

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:55:45

So, like, you.

Rachel: 00:55:47

We're getting this connection of texting Tommy to this kind of, like, addiction sort of thing, which, like, there's a lot of stuff under the surface, because it's not just, like, the thing that you're addicted to.

Rachel: 00:56:01

There's all of the stuff and reasons why underneath that make that so addicting.

Rachel: 00:56:08

And so I think on some level, bucket Buck just wants to, like, not have to.

Rachel: 00:56:15

Not have to think about it deeper.

Rachel: 00:56:17

And I think he almost wants it just to be, like, this surface level thing.

Rachel: 00:56:22

He knows this is why he's spiraling so bad.

Rachel: 00:56:24

He knows that it's more than that, and that's why he's not being as forthcoming about, you know, confiding in people about this stuff, too.

Rachel: 00:56:33

I don't.

Rachel: 00:56:34

And we don't see him do that a lot this season.

Rachel: 00:56:37

There are, like, little bits and pieces, but, like.

Han: 00:56:40

And no, normally he goes to certain people for certain types of advice.

Rachel: 00:56:44

Exactly.

Rachel: 00:56:45

Because he's an externalizer.

Han: 00:56:47

I think this would be a Bobby thing, like, who he would go to to talk about this specifically, but we don't see him doing that.

Rachel: 00:56:53

No.

Rachel: 00:56:54

Which is interesting, too, especially since, you know, they went through all of that stuff to get Bobby back.

Rachel: 00:57:00

And also more abandonment issues.

Rachel: 00:57:02

Because at the end of 807, where they're talking about Bobby talking to the fire chief, and Buck's like, wait, are you leaving again?

Rachel: 00:57:10

So all of this stuff is, like, so already, like, bubbling so close to the surface, and it's just, oh, boy, we're gonna See a Buck breakdown.

Sil: 00:57:20

I don't.

Han: 00:57:20

Tim has said he's gonna be spinning like a top several times in interviews.

Rachel: 00:57:26

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:57:27

So.

Han: 00:57:27

Which is just like he's going to spin and then crash.

Rachel: 00:57:30

Oh, yeah, that's what the.

Han: 00:57:34

Because that's what it does.

Han: 00:57:35

It spins very fast and then it topples over again.

Sil: 00:57:38

I can't wait.

Rachel: 00:57:40

I'll bring this up later.

Rachel: 00:57:41

But, like, when we.

Rachel: 00:57:42

When we talk about stuff that we know moving forward, I pulled a bunch of quotes from Tim, and he has some very specific wording that he repeats.

Rachel: 00:57:53

And him and Oliver do the same.

Han: 00:57:55

That same thing.

Rachel: 00:57:56

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:57:57

They went to the same school of Taylor Swiftification.

Han: 00:58:01

So, yeah, we've got.

Han: 00:58:03

We've got the abandonment issues which never, never truly leave you.

Han: 00:58:08

Your friends are the abandonment issues we made along the way.

Han: 00:58:13

Then.

Han: 00:58:13

Yeah.

Han: 00:58:14

I guess the last thing I have for Buck solo is the parallel of him being depressed and someone bringing him a child as a prescription for his depression.

Han: 00:58:28

But luckily he didn't leave his apartment this time.

Han: 00:58:31

Improvement.

Han: 00:58:32

But it is cute because there was also a parallel to oh, my God.

Han: 00:58:37

When Eddie leaves Christopher with Buck to go on his first date with Kim.

Han: 00:58:42

And he's like, don't let him stay up too late, like, playing video games.

Han: 00:58:46

And he's like, I won't.

Han: 00:58:47

And he's like, I was talking to Chris.

Han: 00:58:49

I think there was kind of a parallel with that as, like, Maddie and Chimney were leaving, where I think Chimney says, like, take.

Rachel: 00:58:56

Take care of your Uncle Buck.

Han: 00:58:57

So it's like, there's no.

Han: 00:58:58

There's no illusions here.

Han: 00:58:59

The kids are taking care of him 100%.

Sil: 00:59:02

And I'll end with, please give him children.

Sil: 00:59:05

We need a kid.

Sil: 00:59:06

Give him children.

Han: 00:59:08

Like, yes, he has Chris.

Han: 00:59:09

Give him another kid.

Sil: 00:59:10

He doesn't have Chris now.

Sil: 00:59:12

He just needs children.

Han: 00:59:13

He's gonna get Chris back, though, eventually.

Han: 00:59:17

Right?

Rachel: 00:59:18

He's gotta.

Han: 00:59:19

Right this.

Sil: 00:59:25

Oh, that's what he's gonna get called.

Han: 00:59:27

When he's doing this shit from now on.

Sil: 00:59:31

Oh, Eddie, still blowing up your whole life, even though you think you're doing it for the.

Sil: 00:59:37

I guess the best intentions.

Sil: 00:59:38

You're.

Sil: 00:59:38

You think that you're doing.

Sil: 00:59:40

You think you're doing what's best for everyone.

Sil: 00:59:43

You're not.

Rachel: 00:59:44

Stop it.

Rachel: 00:59:44

Oh, my God.

Sil: 00:59:46

There's a.

Sil: 00:59:47

I don't want to talk about perils real quick, but I'm just gonna say it anyway because I'm not gonna really talk too much about it.

Sil: 00:59:52

But there was a whole.

Sil: 00:59:54

I went back to season two to watch his argument with Shannon and how haunted in Haunted.

Sil: 01:00:02

And how she basically says paraphrasing here, she says something around the lines of, oh, you just, you just make decisions for everyone without talking to them.

Sil: 01:00:13

And that's what she does.

Sil: 01:00:14

I mean, that's what he does.

Rachel: 01:00:15

That's what he's doing.

Sil: 01:00:16

And he's still doing that.

Sil: 01:00:18

How do we break that cycle, Eddie?

Sil: 01:00:20

What are, what are, what are we doing?

Sil: 01:00:21

What are we going to do?

Rachel: 01:00:22

Communicate.

Rachel: 01:00:24

Talk to your son.

Han: 01:00:26

Okay, but he needs to be bopped.

Sil: 01:00:27

And like he needs someone to hit him in the head at this point point with that.

Rachel: 01:00:32

He.

Rachel: 01:00:34

Yeah, I, I don't know the solution for how he's going to, how to like shake him.

Rachel: 01:00:40

I don't so like things rattle around in place there.

Han: 01:00:44

But I am, I'm assuming because of how little they've talked about how much Chris has talked to him, which is to imply that like he barely talked.

Han: 01:00:54

Like this is the first time we've seen any evidence of full sentences out of him.

Han: 01:01:00

Right?

Rachel: 01:01:01

Yeah.

Han: 01:01:01

So I don't think they've had a conversation about what happened.

Han: 01:01:05

Right?

Rachel: 01:01:06

No.

Han: 01:01:06

And I don't think that Eddie understands that.

Han: 01:01:09

He has to figure out why the fuck he did that in order to explain it to Christopher so Christopher can understand and forgive him.

Han: 01:01:18

And in order for Eddie to do that, he has to keep doing that self discovery thing that he did for five fucking seconds.

Rachel: 01:01:27

Yeah, I've been.

Rachel: 01:01:29

And again, I know not every episode is going to be full of development for every character or like even most of the characters, but would have been.

Han: 01:01:37

Happy to just see him drinking juice in the background.

Rachel: 01:01:41

And I mean like the only things that we're really seeing that kind of go with this like finding joy, being a little like, like frivolity sort of thing is in seven when he like hops over the couch in the station and he's, and he's like horsing around with Buck and the phone.

Rachel: 01:02:02

We'll get into that like more in depth later.

Rachel: 01:02:05

That seems like a little bit more of a light hearted kind of like looking for fun, like embracing his inner child sort of thing.

Rachel: 01:02:14

For Eddie, however, that is like the only thing that we really see.

Rachel: 01:02:18

And it's not.

Rachel: 01:02:20

We're not seeing him like actively consciously choosing to pursue that kind of stuff a little more.

Rachel: 01:02:29

And that's why it seems like such a backslide with his conversation or what he decides after Eddie's conversation with Brad Torrance, because we're not seeing and it's not linear and everything like that, but like it's, it seems like he was being Put on such a good path after his conversation with hot priest slash Father Brian to kind of, like, revert to doing what he always does, which is making a unilateral decision without conferring with anyone.

Rachel: 01:03:07

Because as much as Buck is an externalist, Eddie is an internalist.

Rachel: 01:03:11

And this is where the problem lies with him, because he doesn't really, like, confer with anyone or ask for counsel.

Rachel: 01:03:19

Like, am I making a mistake?

Rachel: 01:03:20

It's like, well, you know.

Han: 01:03:23

So I just realized that the only time that we do actually see character growth for Eddie is when he does talk out loud externally about his things and gets good advice.

Rachel: 01:03:34

Mm.

Sil: 01:03:35

Mm.

Rachel: 01:03:36

And who does that good advice usually come from?

Han: 01:03:39

It's Buck.

Han: 01:03:39

Because Bobby's is 50.

Han: 01:03:41

50.

Rachel: 01:03:41

Yeah.

Sil: 01:03:43

Yeah, that's.

Rachel: 01:03:44

That's the.

Rachel: 01:03:45

That's the thing.

Rachel: 01:03:45

And actually, kind of character wise, I think Buck would benefit from, like, trusting his own intuition on certain stuff more rather than asking everybody's.

Rachel: 01:03:57

And that is.

Rachel: 01:03:58

That is his problem, because he's asking what every.

Han: 01:04:01

Because he needs the valid everyone else.

Rachel: 01:04:03

What he thinks, what he thinks, what they think he should do.

Rachel: 01:04:06

So he does what he thinks that they think that he should do.

Rachel: 01:04:10

And Eddie is like, I can do it all on my own because I'm.

Rachel: 01:04:13

I'm the man of the house, and da, da, da, da, da.

Rachel: 01:04:16

And it's like, no, he works better when he actually talks it out externally, specifically with Buck, because Buck's the one that gives him, like, the best advice that he ends, but the advice that he just ends up taking in general.

Rachel: 01:04:29

So he ends up talking with Brad, who, you know, has been through kind of similar but, like, a little different.

Rachel: 01:04:38

Like, that's not.

Rachel: 01:04:40

I know.

Rachel: 01:04:41

I know.

Rachel: 01:04:41

It's set up.

Rachel: 01:04:42

It's set up to parallel Eddie's situation, but it is absolutely.

Rachel: 01:04:47

Actually, he left his kid the same thing.

Han: 01:04:50

He left his.

Rachel: 01:04:51

Eddie would never do that.

Han: 01:04:52

Exactly.

Rachel: 01:04:52

Well, he did kind of.

Han: 01:04:54

No, he didn't.

Rachel: 01:04:55

Well, when he went to the army, That's a jot.

Han: 01:04:57

Twice a job.

Rachel: 01:04:59

Well, the acting was the job for.

Han: 01:05:02

The pilot that he didn't get, and then he never went home.

Rachel: 01:05:04

Okay, okay, I will say this for Eddie.

Rachel: 01:05:08

He sees a lot of himself in what Brad is telling him.

Rachel: 01:05:12

Right.

Rachel: 01:05:12

Eddie is seeing a lot of himself in there.

Rachel: 01:05:15

We know that.

Rachel: 01:05:16

It is absolutely not the same thing.

Rachel: 01:05:18

Right.

Rachel: 01:05:18

But Eddie can't see the forest for the trees in this situation.

Rachel: 01:05:21

So it's set up for Eddie to be like, oh, wow, I really resonate with that.

Rachel: 01:05:26

Like, let me not be a terrible dad who abandoned his kid.

Rachel: 01:05:30

For 20 some odd years.

Han: 01:05:32

And that's not what he's thinking.

Han: 01:05:34

He literally is just panicking because.

Han: 01:05:37

And you can see it like he does that like huge fucking throat Bob when he's like, oh, congratulations, because this kid's getting married.

Han: 01:05:45

And he's like, yeah, I'm still like hoping I get an invitation.

Han: 01:05:48

And then that's when you can be like his face.

Han: 01:05:52

Eddie's face falls and he swallows really hard.

Han: 01:05:55

It's about, he's spiraling about that.

Han: 01:05:57

About the thought of like missing out on Chris's life, which is the whole, the whole problem that he had, that he had with himself being in the army.

Rachel: 01:06:10

Originally.

Han: 01:06:11

Yeah, originally he's missing out on his life.

Han: 01:06:13

And that was like he promised Chris that he was never going to do that again.

Han: 01:06:16

And it's like he's not technically doing it on purpose right now, but he.

Rachel: 01:06:21

Feels like, he feels like it's his fault because of what happened with Kim.

Rachel: 01:06:26

So in his mind it's the same thing, but it's not.

Sil: 01:06:30

I mean, I feel like I touched upon it earlier when we were first talking about this.

Sil: 01:06:35

The way he makes decisions, the types of decisions that he makes is it's always these like life altering decisions.

Sil: 01:06:42

But he never again, he never like talks to anyone or asks if this is the way, if this is what.

Sil: 01:06:50

If this is what they want or this is what they should do.

Sil: 01:06:52

He doesn't do that.

Sil: 01:06:54

And so it's kind of, it does parallel to me.

Sil: 01:06:57

It kind of parallels how he's always treated his like, past relationships because everything.

Sil: 01:07:05

And again, like everything is everything.

Sil: 01:07:07

And I guess it will always be centered around Chris without like any thought of like himself and what he wants because he, this is what he thinks that Christopher needs.

Sil: 01:07:16

So like every relationship that he's had in the past is, oh, I need to find a mom for Chris.

Sil: 01:07:23

Because that's what Christopher needs.

Sil: 01:07:25

Which.

Sil: 01:07:25

No, that's not the case.

Sil: 01:07:26

Have you ever asked?

Sil: 01:07:27

No, you haven't.

Sil: 01:07:29

And then, and then in this case, him like packing up and the idea of him packing up and going all the way to Texas is like the same thing.

Han: 01:07:40

Because you're not like in season when he left the 118.

Sil: 01:07:44

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Rachel: 01:07:46

Yeah, it's exactly the same thing.

Han: 01:07:48

And Chris even was like, I never asked him to do that.

Han: 01:07:52

Like when they finally talked about it.

Sil: 01:07:55

Oh, yeah.

Sil: 01:07:55

No.

Sil: 01:07:55

The minute that Christopher hears about this and I don't know if he's gonna hear about it or if he's going to see his dad in Texas, he's gonna be like, what the fuck are you doing here?

Sil: 01:08:04

Why?

Rachel: 01:08:05

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:08:06

And, like, I keep thinking about his decision to do this or his thinking about doing, like, moving back to El Paso in relation to what he told the cheerleader, Weston's dad, in.

Rachel: 01:08:27

What was that?

Rachel: 01:08:27

No Place Like Home, episode four, where he's like, well, yeah, you're the parent.

Rachel: 01:08:32

So I think there is a fine line here where it's like, yes.

Rachel: 01:08:36

And Eddie swings just, like, in extremes one way or the other.

Rachel: 01:08:40

Right.

Rachel: 01:08:40

But never, like, truly threads the needle because it's like, yes, he's the parent, so he recognizes that, but he's making those unilateral parent decisions on the wrong things and letting things slide on the wrong things, where he should be taking more authority as a parent.

Rachel: 01:09:02

And on the other side, he should be, you know, like, asking.

Rachel: 01:09:05

Actually asking, you know, people, especially Chris, like, what he wants and giving Chris that, like, freedom and independence that he's always trying to do, but he's just doing them on the wrong, like, the wrong moments.

Rachel: 01:09:22

It's the complete opposite of what he should be doing.

Sil: 01:09:24

I feel like he's just not talking.

Sil: 01:09:26

He.

Sil: 01:09:27

He's asking for advice from the wrong people or he's asking for.

Sil: 01:09:32

For direction or just in general, and he's asking for things from literally the wrong people when he should really be talking to Chris.

Sil: 01:09:42

First of all, he should really be talking to Chris about, you know, having.

Sil: 01:09:47

That he needs to have that conversation about, you know, about.

Sil: 01:09:50

About Kim, why he did all of that.

Sil: 01:09:53

He also needs to talk to him about coming back home because, like, that.

Sil: 01:09:58

Him go.

Sil: 01:09:59

Him going there is going to exacerbate things.

Sil: 01:10:03

Yeah, I.

Sil: 01:10:03

I think it would.

Sil: 01:10:05

I don't think it's.

Sil: 01:10:06

It's for the good of anyone for him to go over there.

Sil: 01:10:09

I know he thinks he's just like, I don't want to miss another moment of my son's life, but it's kind of like you're gonna make matters worse.

Sil: 01:10:17

And I'm also.

Sil: 01:10:19

I don't know if, again, like, I.

Sil: 01:10:21

I don't think that we'll even get to that point where he actually does, like, move.

Sil: 01:10:27

But I'm kind of like, if that does happen, like, I.

Sil: 01:10:31

Even.

Sil: 01:10:31

His parents aren't going to take that very well either.

Sil: 01:10:34

Well, that's.

Sil: 01:10:34

Which could make matters, like, I don't.

Han: 01:10:36

Even think this is a parenting decision.

Han: 01:10:38

I think he's literally, like, I just don't want to miss any more of my kid's life.

Han: 01:10:42

Like, he's not moving there in the Capacity of like, I need to be a father again.

Han: 01:10:46

He's moving there in the capacity of like, I want to see what's happening with my kid.

Han: 01:10:50

Because he can't even get pictures or updates on what's happening.

Han: 01:10:53

And it's like.

Rachel: 01:10:53

Which is a whole other issue that I know we can take up as well.

Rachel: 01:11:01

But going down this hypothetical path, if he were to go all the way to El Paso, just show up, and it's like, who's to say that anything would really be different because of his parents are essentially cutting him out of Chris's life anyways.

Rachel: 01:11:21

Like, he's.

Rachel: 01:11:22

He's going to be there in El Paso, but it's almost going to be worse because he's still going to be on the outside of everything.

Han: 01:11:28

And he's not going to have a.

Rachel: 01:11:29

Support system and he's not going to have a support system.

Rachel: 01:11:32

And he's.

Rachel: 01:11:32

But he's going to be seeing it all in front of him as opposed to like 800 miles away.

Rachel: 01:11:39

And I think that's almost kind of worse because then you're seeing firsthand what you're like, you're missing out on.

Rachel: 01:11:44

And it's just like, that is not healthy.

Han: 01:11:47

I don't know how, how.

Han: 01:11:48

I don't know how this man.

Han: 01:11:50

I guess it's the trauma.

Han: 01:11:51

This is like a trauma response, I fucking guess, because it's like, I feel like he thinks through so many things before he does it.

Han: 01:11:57

And he like sits back and observes and like thinks things through.

Han: 01:12:01

Anything that isn't a big important decision.

Han: 01:12:05

And then when it comes to things like this, it's literally first thought.

Han: 01:12:08

Enter head reaction.

Han: 01:12:09

Send.

Rachel: 01:12:11

Like, yeah, like, he can be so logical about things except for this stuff.

Rachel: 01:12:17

And it's.

Sil: 01:12:19

And again.

Sil: 01:12:20

So I.

Sil: 01:12:21

So again, he needs to talk to Christopher.

Sil: 01:12:23

I also think that again, he.

Sil: 01:12:26

Again, he kind of circling back to the whole, like him getting advice from people that I don't think he should be getting advice from the.

Sil: 01:12:35

And I know why.

Sil: 01:12:37

But he also needs to talk to Buck because that's one thing.

Sil: 01:12:41

I mean, I don't wanna completely.

Sil: 01:12:44

I don't want to go into the buddy of it all, but I think that story wise, like, he.

Sil: 01:12:48

Buck says okay.

Sil: 01:12:51

Buck says something and he does it.

Sil: 01:12:53

So like, it's like, Buck says jump and he does it.

Sil: 01:12:55

So it's the whole situation with Kim, like, okay, you shouldn't be doing all of that.

Sil: 01:13:01

And he immediately is like, okay, I'm going to.

Rachel: 01:13:05

It's like, oh, yeah, you're right.

Sil: 01:13:06

Cut Kim out.

Sil: 01:13:08

Out of his life.

Sil: 01:13:10

So I.

Sil: 01:13:11

He hasn't.

Sil: 01:13:12

I guess my point is like he hasn't talked to Buck at all.

Sil: 01:13:16

Or they, the both of them specifically haven't had like an actual conversation alone.

Sil: 01:13:24

And these past two or three episodes, episode six, they were silent.

Sil: 01:13:30

I think episode five, they didn't really.

Sil: 01:13:32

I don't think they interacted as much.

Sil: 01:13:34

And then this last one, it was just a bombshell.

Sil: 01:13:38

There was like no room to have a conversation.

Han: 01:13:41

And I also think them not writing Buck and Eddie hanging out, just the two of them or talking about Chris.

Han: 01:13:48

So intentional.

Han: 01:13:49

I feel like, I feel like it's going to lead to a fight eventually.

Rachel: 01:13:54

Oh yeah, we'll talk about that as well because like it is absolutely, absolutely intentional when you're keeping characters who are usually like attached at the hip and shoulders and literally everything else apart for so long.

Han: 01:14:08

So the problem with them not like being their regular selves, I mean all of it stems back to Chris, the Christopher at all of it.

Han: 01:14:16

All right, so like Buck is not operating how Buck, normal Buck normally operates, which is like he's always the one who instigates conversations with Eddie.

Han: 01:14:27

And he doesn't do a lot.

Han: 01:14:28

He's just like, hey, notice you're doing something crazy.

Han: 01:14:31

And then just stares at him until he talks.

Rachel: 01:14:34

Right.

Han: 01:14:35

So like I feel like if Christopher wasn't gone and something like this was happening, he'd be like, that seems drastic.

Han: 01:14:44

Why?

Han: 01:14:45

And then, you know what I mean?

Han: 01:14:47

Like if it would have been like a some sort of conflict conversation.

Han: 01:14:51

It's a conversation, but it's.

Han: 01:14:53

He has to be confronted.

Han: 01:14:55

Eddie has to be confronted with it.

Han: 01:14:57

And it's like.

Han: 01:14:57

And Buck doesn't do it in an aggressive way.

Han: 01:15:00

He just does it in a very.

Han: 01:15:02

His gentle but like I'm throwing a logical thing in front of your face and then talk about it.

Rachel: 01:15:10

It's funny because the way like Buck handles those and I don't think he even like notices that he does it a lot, is employing like some kind like some counseling techniques, right?

Rachel: 01:15:21

Where he's asking like open ended questions and you know, just like he is again, how many times do we have to say when Buck is quiet with Eddie, that gives Eddie the space to actually talk things out, which we know he has to do.

Rachel: 01:15:40

And I was just thinking it kind of reminds me of in 210xmas when they're at the fountain and they're waiting for Chris at seeing Santa.

Rachel: 01:15:51

And you know, Buck's just kind of like not, not intentionally disengaging the conversation, but he's just kind of like we, we talk about that in the episode, which I don't think is out.

Han: 01:16:05

You know, it comes out after this.

Rachel: 01:16:08

But will be an interesting conversation when you get to hear it.

Rachel: 01:16:12

But stuff about how like Buck isn't being his usual, like Buck self, like, you know, asking these open ended questions, but Eddie wants him to.

Rachel: 01:16:23

So he's still like trying to engage Buck, to engage him in that conversation.

Rachel: 01:16:27

And this kind of reminds me of that.

Han: 01:16:31

Yeah, that's kind of an exception to the rule though, I feel where Eddie's like, but I want you to get me to talk.

Han: 01:16:37

Because it's like every other time Eddie doesn't want to talk, but he can't.

Han: 01:16:42

It's like he just can't say no to Buck.

Han: 01:16:45

Like, he can't just be like, I don't want to talk about it.

Han: 01:16:47

Like, the closest we get to that is like, I've moved on.

Han: 01:16:50

You need to too.

Han: 01:16:51

Like.

Han: 01:16:52

Yeah, I just.

Han: 01:16:54

All of this is so purposeful.

Han: 01:16:56

It's leading to something, I assume.

Rachel: 01:16:58

Yes.

Han: 01:16:58

Other than him supposedly moving to Texas.

Rachel: 01:17:02

Which I'm also kind of curious.

Rachel: 01:17:06

I would, I think I mentioned this just when we were talking, but I would really like to see or if given the opportunity to see kind of a POV from Chris in some way, shape or form to like see his actually happening daily routine.

Rachel: 01:17:26

Because we're getting a lot of assumptions about what Chris wants.

Rachel: 01:17:31

Right.

Rachel: 01:17:31

And that's coming from both Eddie and.

Rachel: 01:17:34

I think that's coming from Eddie's parents as well.

Rachel: 01:17:37

But no one's actually like, communicating with Chris about what we.

Rachel: 01:17:41

What he wants in a way that like, we as the audience can see.

Rachel: 01:17:44

So I kind of just want like little windows into Chris's world, his inner world, and to see if like, maybe he really isn't loving it as much in El Paso with his grandparents as his grandparents are making it out to seem.

Rachel: 01:18:01

Or as much as like his dad thinks that he is.

Rachel: 01:18:05

But like he's 14 years old.

Rachel: 01:18:08

He doesn't have like the necessarily, like.

Rachel: 01:18:13

No, I mean, he's very like an emotionally intelligent child and very intuitive and everything like that.

Rachel: 01:18:20

But he may not have the kind of language or the understanding of what's truly going on to be able to tell Eddie, like, hey, I think I'd rather come home when like, he's the child and he's waiting for his parent to tell him to come home, you know.

Rachel: 01:18:38

So, like, I would really appreciate just like some kind of window into Chris's pov, which I don't think We've really gotten before.

Rachel: 01:18:48

But I want to know, like, if he actually loves it over there or if he's just putting up with it because he's doing what he thinks that his dad wanted him to do, which.

Rachel: 01:18:59

Or he's originally his idea, waiting for.

Han: 01:19:02

To ask him to come home.

Han: 01:19:03

Because that's like, quintessential kid runaway thing.

Han: 01:19:07

But, like, it's also.

Han: 01:19:08

Christopher has abandonment issues from his mother.

Rachel: 01:19:11

Yeah, big time.

Han: 01:19:13

So if he's not getting any signs from his father that, like, he wants him to come home because Eddie's trying to not pressure him, then he's unknowingly, like, making Christopher feel like it's not important to him.

Rachel: 01:19:29

Like, it's interesting because all three of them, Buck, Eddie and Christopher have very interesting abandonment issues.

Rachel: 01:19:36

I would almost say that Chris's and Buck's are more similar.

Rachel: 01:19:41

So, like, when we talk about Buck doing things that he thinks that other people would want him to do, I kind of feel like Chris does that a little bit as well because he's also had to grow up very quickly.

Han: 01:19:52

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:19:53

For a bunch of different reasons.

Rachel: 01:19:54

And it's just like, what do you want?

Han: 01:19:58

So they really had Eddie say, whoa, that's way too much for me to handle.

Rachel: 01:20:03

That whole scene, like when we're.

Rachel: 01:20:06

When we're introduced to Eddie looking at the tablet and that is so purposefully suggestive.

Rachel: 01:20:14

And I know what, in a very, In a very queer way, it's.

Rachel: 01:20:19

It's just like, I know a lot of people were thinking that, like, when Buck comes in, like, he, like Buck thinks that Eddie was looking at porn, but it's.

Rachel: 01:20:28

He would not be looking at straight up porn.

Rachel: 01:20:31

Not that it would have been straight anyways.

Rachel: 01:20:32

But no, I think it was more.

Rachel: 01:20:35

I think it was more suggestive in something of maybe like, you know, him.

Rachel: 01:20:41

The way Buck would have thought of it would have been like, maybe Eddie was on like some sort of dating app or on like some sort of website, say, to purchase adult things.

Rachel: 01:20:51

I think I, like, I don't think it was like all the way over at, you know, the.

Rachel: 01:20:57

That suggestion, but just kind of like, you know, something a little, like, not safe for work, something a little risque.

Rachel: 01:21:03

But it was absolutely purposefully suggestive.

Rachel: 01:21:05

Especially because they came in on that shot with like, not showing what was on the tablet, which just kind of set up the whole, like, butt coming in thing and doing all of that, which I think we're going to talk about in a little bit.

Rachel: 01:21:21

But yeah, that was.

Rachel: 01:21:22

That was just.

Rachel: 01:21:23

They did that on purpose.

Sil: 01:21:25

I would like to see the.

Sil: 01:21:27

The script for this.

Sil: 01:21:30

I just.

Sil: 01:21:30

I just want to see it.

Sil: 01:21:31

I mean, I don't need to see it, but I would like to see it because I know what that was.

Sil: 01:21:36

I.

Sil: 01:21:37

We all know what that was, but I just want to see what they.

Sil: 01:21:40

What.

Rachel: 01:21:41

What was like if it was an improvisational line or if they.

Sil: 01:21:46

I want to see if there's any direction in there.

Rachel: 01:21:50

No, but I know what you mean.

Rachel: 01:21:51

Like, if it was something like it says something kind of funny, like offhanded, that doesn't specify, you know, what he's looking at or if it was like, that was the line.

Rachel: 01:22:02

So strange.

Rachel: 01:22:04

What an interesting choice.

Rachel: 01:22:06

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:22:06

So anyways, that was just like a very interesting choice for them to include in that way.

Rachel: 01:22:11

Curious.

Han: 01:22:11

Totally in line with what they're laying up.

Han: 01:22:15

So, yeah, hilarious.

Han: 01:22:17

Also, thank you for the new meme for us to just put whatever we want on that iPad forever.

Han: 01:22:24

Okay, let's just run down some of these parallels and symbolism.

Han: 01:22:29

We have him running towards something, but he's really just.

Rachel: 01:22:32

It's just running away from something else.

Han: 01:22:36

Yeah.

Han: 01:22:36

You know, like having to, like having to look at why he did what he did with Kim and explain that.

Rachel: 01:22:44

To his kid and, you know, running away from El Paso twice.

Rachel: 01:22:50

Once when he enlisted in the army and once when he went to la.

Rachel: 01:22:54

So he thinks, he thinks he's like running towards something because there's like a specific, like, location or goal or something like that which he can kind of like hide behind, but it's just plain.

Han: 01:23:05

Running away from stuff.

Han: 01:23:07

We did talk about his.

Han: 01:23:10

The parallels of the unilateral decision making with Shannon.

Han: 01:23:16

Okay, here's a fun one.

Han: 01:23:17

And if any of you, if any of you play chess or like, you understand the symbolism in what I'm going to talk about better, please let us know.

Han: 01:23:28

But one of our lovely listeners, Katie Catchung, underscore17 on Instagram, messaged us with like, this theory or not really theory.

Han: 01:23:40

Just saying, like, the writers were kind of went off with like, bringing up the chess thing because there's a lot of like, layers and they're.

Han: 01:23:48

They were like, we could talk for an entire episode about that.

Han: 01:23:51

And I'm like, well, I don't really know anything about chess.

Han: 01:23:54

So I did, I did some basic Googling.

Rachel: 01:23:57

Hear that, Buck?

Han: 01:23:59

I did some basic Google search searching to kind of like, see what symbolism would be relevant here.

Han: 01:24:09

So basically, if you don't know how to win chess, how you win chess is capturing the other person's king.

Han: 01:24:18

So I put that I.

Han: 01:24:20

That Helena thinks that she's won the game, that she's captured the king, which is.

Han: 01:24:25

Which is Christopher.

Han: 01:24:27

Or she thinks she's the queen, that she can't be checkmated, that she's won this game.

Han: 01:24:31

Right.

Han: 01:24:32

And that she's playing Eddie as a pawn, which, like, she is.

Han: 01:24:35

Right.

Han: 01:24:36

Because he's playing right into her strategy.

Han: 01:24:40

Right.

Han: 01:24:40

But we know as the observers of this fictional story that that's not actually checkmate.

Han: 01:24:46

So, like, what will checkmate actually be?

Han: 01:24:50

Could it be the will?

Rachel: 01:24:53

Ooh.

Han: 01:24:55

Not to make it about Buck.

Han: 01:24:56

I just really want the will to come up.

Han: 01:24:58

No, but I'm interested to see, like.

Rachel: 01:24:59

It has to come up.

Rachel: 01:25:00

It has to.

Han: 01:25:01

But I'm interested to see what the checkmate is actually going to be.

Han: 01:25:03

Like what?

Han: 01:25:04

Yeah, like what Eddie is gonna do when he finally wakes the fuck up and realizes what he needs to do.

Han: 01:25:10

It can also be a metaphor for patience and precision and then symbolize conflict, strategy, and intelligence that can help viewers understand character relationships and motivations.

Han: 01:25:21

So, and then I have this quote from Independence Day, which I thought was like, oh, my God, love that movie.

Han: 01:25:27

It's perfect.

Han: 01:25:28

It's like in chess, first you strategically position the pieces, then when the timing's right, you strike.

Han: 01:25:35

So I think that is what Helena did.

Sil: 01:25:39

I see, right.

Han: 01:25:41

That was like, a long game, and she was just, like, waiting for Eddie to fuck up.

Rachel: 01:25:45

Oh, that would make her so evil.

Han: 01:25:47

I think she is evil.

Rachel: 01:25:48

I'm sorry, we, I'm not saying she's not, but we all hate her.

Sil: 01:25:55

Well, I hate her.

Sil: 01:25:56

I don't like her.

Han: 01:25:56

How do you, how do you not care about your kid, like, at all?

Han: 01:26:00

And be not evil.

Han: 01:26:02

Sorry.

Han: 01:26:03

But anyway, all of us to say that, like, I don't think the chess thing is insignificant.

Rachel: 01:26:10

I, I, I really like.

Rachel: 01:26:12

Thank you for.

Rachel: 01:26:14

Well, thanks to Kat for pointing that out.

Rachel: 01:26:15

And I think, I think those are great pulls.

Rachel: 01:26:18

I will say, thinking about it as well, knowing, again, the very basics of chess.

Rachel: 01:26:25

That's interesting, too, if we look at it like Helena thinks that she's the queen because the purpose of the queen is, well, all of the pieces, but especially the queen, is to protect the king.

Rachel: 01:26:38

If we're putting Christopher as the king in this sense.

Rachel: 01:26:42

And the queen.

Rachel: 01:26:43

Queen can move in any direction, Right.

Rachel: 01:26:47

So she has the most, like, versatility on the board as opposed to the other, the other pieces that can only move in certain ways or certain patterns.

Rachel: 01:26:59

So she probably thinks that she has the run of the board.

Rachel: 01:27:02

But Eddie, if she's using him as A pawn.

Rachel: 01:27:05

She is also severely underestimating him.

Rachel: 01:27:08

Because if a pawn gets all the way to the end of the other side of the board, a pawn can become a queen.

Rachel: 01:27:16

Like a pawn can turn into a queen.

Rachel: 01:27:18

Or I think also like, whatever.

Rachel: 01:27:23

I didn't even think about that part actually.

Rachel: 01:27:26

That's genius.

Rachel: 01:27:30

Multi layered.

Rachel: 01:27:32

Wow.

Rachel: 01:27:34

Oh, my God.

Rachel: 01:27:36

Well, I was going to say I think the pawn can turn into like any piece that the player chooses.

Rachel: 01:27:41

But most people, I think, or like, in specific strategies, you would choose a queen.

Han: 01:27:47

She can move anywhere because the queen.

Rachel: 01:27:49

Has the most versatility and the most mobility on the board.

Rachel: 01:27:52

So that if we're looking at the Christopher as a chess game.

Rachel: 01:27:58

Right.

Rachel: 01:27:59

We have to get to a place.

Rachel: 01:28:01

Oh, no.

Rachel: 01:28:03

So for the pawn to have to go all the way at the other side of the board, Eddie has to go to El Paso in order to.

Rachel: 01:28:13

And this isn't even like checkmating the king or anything like that.

Rachel: 01:28:17

It's just so he can transform from a pawn into a queen, which is so poetic on multiple levels, but it.

Sil: 01:28:28

Levels the playing field.

Rachel: 01:28:30

Yes.

Rachel: 01:28:33

And then that makes you wonder, okay, so if Eddie then becomes like a queen, what is his strategy going to be to.

Rachel: 01:28:42

I'm not even going to say check or check the king, which would be Chris.

Rachel: 01:28:46

I'm saying take out the queen.

Rachel: 01:28:48

And you need more strategy to that.

Rachel: 01:28:50

And I think Buck would end up being part of his.

Rachel: 01:28:54

I don't know that Buck would be like a king, but Buck may be like a knight or the rook or a bishop or something like that, you know?

Han: 01:29:01

Yeah.

Sil: 01:29:03

I mean, if we're going with this whole metaphor, I do think that the will could.

Sil: 01:29:07

The will would need to come up.

Sil: 01:29:09

Yes.

Sil: 01:29:10

As part of Eddie's.

Sil: 01:29:12

A part of Eddie's strategy.

Sil: 01:29:14

Because, like, it should just be like.

Sil: 01:29:15

Because remember.

Sil: 01:29:16

So I, again, like I was earlier, I was kind of like going into that what if territory about, like him going there, whatever.

Rachel: 01:29:26

But.

Sil: 01:29:28

And how, like his parents might not take that very well either because, you know, they are effectively keeping him away from Christopher.

Sil: 01:29:37

So when it all.

Sil: 01:29:39

If it all comes to a head and like this.

Sil: 01:29:43

And this is, this is the what if territory.

Rachel: 01:29:45

Right.

Sil: 01:29:47

They might file.

Sil: 01:29:48

I think there was like some theories that, oh, maybe Helena is going to file.

Sil: 01:29:53

Helena and Ramon are going to file for custody.

Han: 01:29:55

If it's actually been six months, they absolutely can.

Han: 01:30:00

Because he'd be.

Rachel: 01:30:01

Depending on which timeline you believe, but.

Han: 01:30:03

He'D be a resident of El Paso, like legally.

Rachel: 01:30:07

Legally.

Sil: 01:30:10

So if that happens, it all comes to a head.

Sil: 01:30:14

The joke's on them.

Sil: 01:30:15

Because if something were to happen to Eddie but gets full custody, I need a lawyer to verify that.

Han: 01:30:24

I don't like that.

Han: 01:30:25

I actually don't think that this will holds up, like, in reality at all.

Han: 01:30:29

So you have to suspend your disbelief.

Sil: 01:30:31

Okay.

Han: 01:30:32

Because I don't think you can actually leave custody in.

Rachel: 01:30:35

Yes, you can.

Sil: 01:30:36

We need a lawyer.

Sil: 01:30:37

Hey, fandom.

Sil: 01:30:37

Do you have a lawyer or do I have to go to law school?

Rachel: 01:30:41

Anyone adept at fandom law.

Rachel: 01:30:46

Do we have any avocados in law, please?

Han: 01:30:49

That auto filled so quickly, I was like, can you leave custody?

Han: 01:30:53

And was like, of a child and will.

Han: 01:30:55

Okay.

Han: 01:30:55

Yes, you can.

Rachel: 01:30:56

Of a minor.

Han: 01:30:57

Oh, you can designate a legal guardian for your child in a will, effectively leaving custody.

Han: 01:31:01

Okay.

Han: 01:31:01

Legal guardian, effectively leaving custody of the child to that person in the event of your death.

Han: 01:31:06

Although exact term custody is not typically used in this context, the legal term is guardianship.

Sil: 01:31:12

Okay.

Han: 01:31:13

Like a war, custody usually refers to arrangements between living parents.

Han: 01:31:17

Guardianship is legal term for who will care for a child if both parents are deceased.

Sil: 01:31:21

Full guardianship.

Han: 01:31:22

Okay.

Han: 01:31:22

So, yes.

Rachel: 01:31:23

So technically Helena and Ramon have custody, but they are not the legal guardians guardian relationship.

Rachel: 01:31:31

And I guess they're able.

Rachel: 01:31:32

They're able to have custody just because, like, blood relation.

Rachel: 01:31:36

Interesting.

Rachel: 01:31:37

Yes.

Rachel: 01:31:38

Anyone who has gone to law school, is in law school or knows anything about law school.

Han: 01:31:42

To my understanding, when, like, the kid is this old, if it does go to court, they take into account, like, the kid actually wants too.

Han: 01:31:51

So, like, even if he's still furious with his father, if it's like, yeah, I named Buck to be your guardian, basically your other parent.

Rachel: 01:32:01

Like, and.

Han: 01:32:03

And he has a whole safe in la.

Han: 01:32:05

Like, come on, let's.

Rachel: 01:32:07

Let's also think about, though, like, if there were some sort of, like, custody battle situation that would also parallel very much to Pen and Karen's battle to reinstate their foster license.

Rachel: 01:32:23

Because there you have just another example of a kid who was taken away from their home and it worked out in that case.

Rachel: 01:32:31

So I mean, we have to, like, assume that.

Rachel: 01:32:34

That it will work out for Christopher, but just like, just to have, like, there is precedent already set for, like, this legal.

Han: 01:32:40

So what is going on?

Sil: 01:32:42

Sorry, I'm.

Sil: 01:32:43

I'm laughing because I will.

Sil: 01:32:47

I'm gonna talk about this in Buddy.

Sil: 01:32:49

But the amount of the fact that I have Henren, their storyline potentially could be a parallel for.

Sil: 01:32:56

For a Buddy storyline.

Sil: 01:32:58

And I have Bethena as well.

Sil: 01:33:00

Like, okay, do we have.

Sil: 01:33:02

And I guess maybe the.

Sil: 01:33:04

I don't know.

Sil: 01:33:04

I'm just Gonna reach and say, Tim and Maddie.

Sil: 01:33:07

They're.

Sil: 01:33:07

The fact that they have, like, they're.

Sil: 01:33:09

They're.

Sil: 01:33:10

They're growing their family and all of that.

Sil: 01:33:12

Like, I could just tie all of that into Buddy and say, like, oh, yeah, they're paralleling all.

Sil: 01:33:18

All of the main, like, relationship.

Sil: 01:33:21

Sorry, I'm already in Buddy territory.

Han: 01:33:22

I mean, actually, we are in Buddy now.

Han: 01:33:25

That chess thing was the last thing that I had.

Sil: 01:33:27

Oh, perfect.

Han: 01:33:28

Parallels.

Han: 01:33:28

Unless you had something else.

Sil: 01:33:29

So the move that Helena is not going to see is the.

Sil: 01:33:34

The well will.

Sil: 01:33:35

The will well.

Rachel: 01:33:37

The well.

Sil: 01:33:37

Well, the will.

Sil: 01:33:39

The will.

Han: 01:33:41

The.

Rachel: 01:33:42

The well with three E's.

Sil: 01:33:44

Yeah, that's gonna be funny.

Sil: 01:33:46

I.

Sil: 01:33:46

I would love to see her reaction.

Han: 01:33:48

Oh, my God, she's gonna be so good money.

Sil: 01:33:51

Pissed.

Sil: 01:33:52

So pissed.

Rachel: 01:33:54

And I feel like Ramon would kind of be like.

Rachel: 01:33:56

I figured.

Sil: 01:34:02

Oh, I mean, you know, just kind.

Rachel: 01:34:04

Of like one of those not what Eddie would be expecting sort of thing.

Rachel: 01:34:09

But I don't know, it's kind of.

Sil: 01:34:11

Funny when you said that because I'm, like, thinking, oh, yeah, he probably saw that coming, especially with, like, how Buck was very present in the.

Han: 01:34:20

Oh, yeah.

Sil: 01:34:21

Like, he was.

Sil: 01:34:22

You know how he was very present at the.

Sil: 01:34:24

The last episode of season seven when Chris left.

Sil: 01:34:28

Yeah, when Chris left.

Sil: 01:34:29

And, like, they've never questioned it, but I'm sure, like, when they, like, left, they were, like, on the plane.

Sil: 01:34:36

Why was he there this entire time?

Rachel: 01:34:39

And they, like, don't even.

Rachel: 01:34:40

I bet they don't even question, like, to Chris, like, who is Buck to you?

Rachel: 01:34:45

You know, they didn't think to.

Rachel: 01:34:47

Mm.

Rachel: 01:34:48

So that's kind of interesting.

Rachel: 01:34:50

That could go so many different ways.

Rachel: 01:34:52

I would love to see, like, multiple iterations of it.

Rachel: 01:34:55

I'm sure there's fanfics of it, but.

Rachel: 01:34:57

So speaking of which, the buddy of.

Han: 01:34:59

It all, we finally get a buddy scene.

Han: 01:35:02

But at what cost?

Rachel: 01:35:05

Oh, boy.

Han: 01:35:07

Finally get bucket alone talking.

Han: 01:35:09

But at what cost?

Rachel: 01:35:11

Like, this is not what we wanted or expected.

Rachel: 01:35:15

Okay, let's.

Rachel: 01:35:15

Let's talk about, like, the lead up into that, right?

Rachel: 01:35:17

Because we, like, I think we mentioned a little earlier, we really don't see a lot of, like, Buck and Eddie, like, separate from anyone else.

Rachel: 01:35:25

There's a lot of, like, Buck and Eddie and Tommy or Buck and Eddie on the job, Buck and Eddie at the station, and they do interact.

Rachel: 01:35:35

So it's kind of like a.

Rachel: 01:35:37

Like a.

Rachel: 01:35:37

Kind of purposeful, like, pulling the wool over the audience's eyes a little bit.

Rachel: 01:35:41

Because it's like, yeah, this is normal.

Rachel: 01:35:42

They're.

Rachel: 01:35:43

They're Interacting, but not in the way that we really see them or saw as much of last season with like these heart to hearts.

Rachel: 01:35:51

And you know, we.

Rachel: 01:35:52

We never really get Eddie and Buck in the kitchen until, you know, episode eight.

Rachel: 01:35:57

But like, there.

Rachel: 01:35:58

There are small things, like, you know, when Eddie is playing keep away with Buck's phone at the 118 and, you know, just kind of like horsing around and like, that's very playful.

Rachel: 01:36:10

And they're paired off a lot in seven and eight on the job.

Rachel: 01:36:16

Bobby's all just like, bucking Eddie.

Rachel: 01:36:17

Go, go up the ladder.

Rachel: 01:36:19

Bucking Eddie.

Rachel: 01:36:20

Du du.

Rachel: 01:36:20

Du.

Han: 01:36:21

Du du.

Sil: 01:36:21

The life pack.

Rachel: 01:36:22

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:36:24

So.

Rachel: 01:36:24

So they're still very much paired off, which is kind of like, I'm taking it as like, alluring into a false sense of security sort of thing.

Rachel: 01:36:32

So it doesn't like, you're not looking into things as deeply as maybe we the fandom audience does.

Rachel: 01:36:41

Like, it doesn't seem super out of the ordinary until we get an actual scene with them.

Rachel: 01:36:47

And that's what we thought we were getting with 806.

Rachel: 01:36:49

But they still actually never talk or communicate or, like, truly look at each other when by the time, like, they're on the couch, it's just like when they open the door.

Rachel: 01:36:59

So this kitchen scene is.

Rachel: 01:37:03

Really stands out in that way then.

Rachel: 01:37:05

Right.

Han: 01:37:06

I'm gonna say something that's gonna make me sound really stupid.

Han: 01:37:08

I literally did not think about the fact, like, I knew they were in the kitchen, but I didn't think about the connotation.

Sil: 01:37:16

Oh.

Han: 01:37:16

Of them always having serious conversations.

Rachel: 01:37:21

The heart to heart.

Rachel: 01:37:22

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:37:23

I mean, when I think of Buck and Eddie, it is usually the next thought is something about couch or something about kitchen.

Rachel: 01:37:32

So I just kind of relate those.

Rachel: 01:37:35

I mean, I think that is kind of purposeful as well, because in that scene, you do see them operate in both of those spaces but one.

Rachel: 01:37:46

But they are separated, you know, so it's kind of interesting, you know, like, after that bomb is dropped, how Buck, you know, takes up space on the couch, but Eddie is still in the kitchen.

Rachel: 01:38:00

Which I guess could also mean, like, he still wanted because the heart to hearts happen in the kitchen.

Rachel: 01:38:04

So I guess, like, on a subconscious level, maybe he wanted to, like, actually talk about it more.

Rachel: 01:38:09

But either, like, wasn't allowing himself to.

Han: 01:38:13

He seemed very surprised by how Buck responded to that.

Han: 01:38:17

Yeah, he was so nervous to, like, tell him and then like, to like, keep.

Han: 01:38:24

To like, just talk about it at all.

Han: 01:38:26

He was, you know, like, wringing his hands and which we fidgeting which we.

Rachel: 01:38:30

Don'T see Eddie do a lot.

Rachel: 01:38:33

Like.

Rachel: 01:38:33

Like the little.

Rachel: 01:38:34

Just, you know, all that stuff.

Rachel: 01:38:36

Just like, very nervous tics.

Rachel: 01:38:39

Because he doesn't panic, right?

Han: 01:38:40

No, but I call it.

Han: 01:38:41

I call it stimming, because I think he's on the spectrum.

Han: 01:38:45

But I mean, call it whatever you want.

Han: 01:38:47

He doesn't do it around people.

Han: 01:38:49

We really only see him do it.

Rachel: 01:38:50

Around Buck, which shows how comfortable he is in letting all of those masks down around Buck.

Rachel: 01:38:59

Meanwhile, Buck is putting a mask up because that's also not what he was expecting to see or hear.

Rachel: 01:39:09

And it's so hard because we want to get into all of this.

Rachel: 01:39:12

It's just like, where do we start?

Rachel: 01:39:15

I mean, we kind of already have started, but should we.

Rachel: 01:39:19

Should we talk about the.

Rachel: 01:39:20

Like, the him clocking the iPad flip or the tablet flip?

Han: 01:39:24

Sure, we kind of did already a little bit.

Han: 01:39:27

But I guess to get more into the buddy of it all, Evan Buckley rolled up to Eddie's house with baked goods.

Han: 01:39:39

And he's been doing the baked good thing, you know, since the last episode.

Han: 01:39:43

But everyone else was getting baked goods in Saran Wrap.

Han: 01:39:47

Yeah.

Han: 01:39:48

And.

Rachel: 01:39:48

Yeah.

Han: 01:39:49

Or like, you know, like a little tin foil, like, loaf thing.

Han: 01:39:52

He rolled up with a whole fucking gift basket wrapped in cellophane.

Han: 01:39:58

Like, Martha Stewart presentation.

Han: 01:40:04

And it's like, and I'm gonna bake us snickerdoodles.

Han: 01:40:07

So, like, he wasn't even done giving stuff to Eddie, so I don't know.

Han: 01:40:12

Just interesting why he felt the need to do that for Eddie.

Rachel: 01:40:17

There was a thing.

Rachel: 01:40:18

We were.

Rachel: 01:40:18

We were talking about this earlier about, you know, like, the knock on the door.

Han: 01:40:22

Oh, yeah.

Rachel: 01:40:22

And then we were.

Rachel: 01:40:24

We were discussing whether we thought it was actually Eddie saying, like, come in.

Rachel: 01:40:28

Like, come on in, or coming, like, I'm coming to the door.

Rachel: 01:40:33

Because I think the subtitles say come in, but the way the scene is played is more of a I'm coming to the door sort of thing.

Rachel: 01:40:43

And that's when, like, Buck is already halfway through the living room.

Han: 01:40:47

Because if you say come in, it's because you don't want to get up to get the door.

Han: 01:40:50

So why would he say, come in and then to get the door?

Rachel: 01:40:55

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:40:56

And then be surprised that someone is already halfway through the living room.

Rachel: 01:41:01

So I think in this case, like, the subtitles are a little off, and that just seems like how the scene is actually played, which is then why Eddie gets so, like, kind of about Buck being there.

Rachel: 01:41:18

Because normally he's not.

Rachel: 01:41:19

Unless he's trying to hide something.

Rachel: 01:41:22

From Buck specifically.

Rachel: 01:41:24

And Buck shows up, and Buck is just like a whirling dervish going straight into the kitchen and, like, knowing where everything is.

Rachel: 01:41:32

Just like, I'm not a guest in Eddie's house.

Rachel: 01:41:36

You know, just bucking Eddie things.

Rachel: 01:41:40

Just.

Han: 01:41:41

Just normal, hetero bro things.

Han: 01:41:43

Right.

Rachel: 01:41:44

Also, just as a complete aside, I don't know if this is really anything but the snickerdoodles.

Rachel: 01:41:49

Like, him saying, like, I was going to bake snickerdoodles.

Rachel: 01:41:53

Snickerdoodles were also, like, one of the three options that Buck gave G when they were baking, and she was like, awesome.

Han: 01:42:01

So, like, interesting.

Rachel: 01:42:02

I think it was, what, like, chocolate chip, peanut butter and snickerdoodles.

Rachel: 01:42:05

So I don't know if that's, like.

Rachel: 01:42:07

If we can read into that, but that was, like, one of the three options.

Han: 01:42:10

Well, if we hear it again, we.

Rachel: 01:42:12

Know who is the snickerdoodle.

Han: 01:42:16

But if we hear him, but if he uses the word snickerdoodle again, we know it's.

Han: 01:42:20

It means something.

Rachel: 01:42:21

Yeah, it's.

Rachel: 01:42:21

It's intentional anyways, so I just picked up on that.

Rachel: 01:42:25

But we also, you know, as Buck is just kind of like, going, do, do, do, do, do, do around the whole kitchen, we see that he is actually like, just another instance of Buck being very observant and aware of his surroundings and kind of, like, knowing what's going on because he sees, like, from the corner of his eye, like, Eddie flipping the tablet or the iPad or whatever, and that, like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, rings some alarm bells.

Han: 01:42:55

He's like, that's weird, because we don't have boundaries.

Rachel: 01:43:01

It's like, what are you hiding from me?

Han: 01:43:04

So, yeah.

Han: 01:43:04

Then I don't know.

Han: 01:43:05

He just immediately it gets flirty, and I don't.

Rachel: 01:43:08

What an interesting delivery of that line, right?

Rachel: 01:43:11

What you looking at, Eddie?

Rachel: 01:43:12

What you looking at, Eddie?

Rachel: 01:43:14

And this goes back to that purposefully suggestive entry into the scene with Eddie by himself looking at the iPad.

Rachel: 01:43:25

Or they keep calling it a tablet because I don't think they have the rights to call it anyways.

Rachel: 01:43:29

So it's like.

Rachel: 01:43:31

And because Tim has said we kind of see a lot of this from Buck's pov.

Rachel: 01:43:37

So, like, what would Buck think?

Rachel: 01:43:40

And it would be probably something similar to be, like, not safe for work or, like, a little, you know, risque and.

Rachel: 01:43:47

Because why would Eddie be hiding something from him or not want him to see anything if they have no personal boundaries, which we know they don't.

Rachel: 01:43:55

So.

Rachel: 01:43:56

But just, like, the tone, like, I'm gonna.

Rachel: 01:44:00

I'm catching you doing something you don't want me to catch you doing.

Han: 01:44:03

And then he's like, never.

Han: 01:44:05

It's none of my business.

Han: 01:44:07

You know, the privacy of your own home.

Han: 01:44:09

Like, privacy.

Han: 01:44:11

When.

Han: 01:44:13

When has this man known privacy?

Sil: 01:44:15

Since you became friends with him.

Rachel: 01:44:18

And that's what Eddie's like, expression is.

Han: 01:44:20

He's like, privacy.

Rachel: 01:44:22

What?

Rachel: 01:44:22

What privacy in my own home?

Rachel: 01:44:25

We don't have, like, you just let.

Han: 01:44:26

Yourself in personal space or boundaries.

Han: 01:44:28

We have never met her.

Han: 01:44:29

We have never heard of her.

Rachel: 01:44:30

Like, you literally just let yourself into the house and was ruffling through all of my cupboards.

Han: 01:44:35

Like, privacy.

Han: 01:44:36

Right.

Rachel: 01:44:36

And you're going to talk to me about privacy.

Rachel: 01:44:38

Come on.

Han: 01:44:39

And then he immediately grabs the iPad because, like, you know, of course he does.

Han: 01:44:43

That's what Buck.

Rachel: 01:44:43

Buck is curious.

Rachel: 01:44:44

Yeah.

Han: 01:44:45

Sees big red button.

Han: 01:44:46

Wants to press big red button, see what happens.

Han: 01:44:49

So.

Han: 01:44:51

So yeah, he picks it up and like, oh, Holmes dot com.

Han: 01:44:55

And then, you know, just one of the most devastating things that I've ever watched unfold.

Rachel: 01:45:01

And then we watched it in slow motion.

Han: 01:45:03

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:45:04

Frame by frame.

Han: 01:45:07

Several times.

Rachel: 01:45:07

It's still devastating.

Han: 01:45:09

But yeah, you can see him like, you can see Buck.

Han: 01:45:12

Like, I don't know, I feel like he had to have known that those were in El Paso.

Han: 01:45:15

Like, he's looking at the listings, but he's like, I need Eddie to say it.

Han: 01:45:20

So he's like, how are you going to afford this?

Rachel: 01:45:23

Sometimes, Sometimes he's, I think, a little purposefully dense.

Rachel: 01:45:27

And I think this was one of those times.

Rachel: 01:45:29

Sometimes he is a little oblivious.

Rachel: 01:45:31

But, like, we just saw him, like, be super observant about, you know, Eddie's reaction with flipping over the tablet.

Rachel: 01:45:40

So, like, you know, we just saw that example.

Rachel: 01:45:43

We have to think, like, he can read.

Han: 01:45:46

Yes.

Han: 01:45:47

Confirmed that he can read.

Han: 01:45:49

So yeah, I think he really just needed Eddie to like, say it to him and say it out.

Han: 01:45:57

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:45:59

El Paso.

Rachel: 01:46:01

How long have you been thinking about going to El Paso?

Rachel: 01:46:06

So, yeah, he's like, you can see him like, but kind of like stealing himself with like as this, as this information washes over him.

Rachel: 01:46:16

And you also see Eddie just be really kind of like non confrontational about it because he is avoiding eye contact real hard.

Rachel: 01:46:27

He is fidgeting with his hands, which he doesn't normally do.

Han: 01:46:32

So he's really nervous for Buck's reaction.

Rachel: 01:46:37

And I think Buck is nervous for his reaction a little bit, which is why he like just like takes a breath to like, okay, like, I'm Taking this information in.

Rachel: 01:46:48

And now I'm going to plaster a smile on my face, which is not what Eddie was expecting at all.

Han: 01:46:56

Yeah, and I'm.

Han: 01:46:57

No, I don't know.

Han: 01:46:59

I don't know if this is getting into too fan fiction of it all, but, like, I just.

Han: 01:47:05

What do you think he thought Buck's response was going to be?

Han: 01:47:08

And what do you think he wanted Buck's response to be?

Han: 01:47:12

Because he looked very nervous, like he thought he was gonna react badly.

Han: 01:47:18

And then he also looked confused about how he was reacting.

Han: 01:47:23

So I don't think he reacted how he thought or how he wanted.

Sil: 01:47:26

Yeah, I thought.

Sil: 01:47:28

I mean, we.

Sil: 01:47:30

I.

Sil: 01:47:30

Like we talked about earlier, like, it's assumed that he's gonna react badly.

Sil: 01:47:34

I.

Sil: 01:47:35

I feel like he was going.

Sil: 01:47:36

I think he was expecting to hear kind of like an earful, like a.

Sil: 01:47:41

Basically, what we want Buck to say, like, this is a drastic decision that you're making, that you're just gonna up and leave instead of, you know, trying to figure, like, you know, actually thinking about, like, why are you making this.

Sil: 01:47:56

This decision?

Sil: 01:47:57

Or, like, what makes you think that this is a good decision to, like, go forward with?

Sil: 01:48:03

That's what I think.

Sil: 01:48:05

Because, like, you know, we've seen this, like, time and time again.

Sil: 01:48:09

Anytime Eddie is doing something dumb or something, just something in general that is going to fuck his own life or fuck someone else's life.

Sil: 01:48:20

Because, like, I'm thinking about the Anna of it all, too.

Sil: 01:48:23

Buck is lightly.

Sil: 01:48:26

I'm gonna say lightly.

Sil: 01:48:27

That's probably not the word I want to use.

Sil: 01:48:28

But he's not.

Sil: 01:48:29

He's not kind of like what you said, Han.

Sil: 01:48:31

He's not aggressive in.

Sil: 01:48:34

In his judgment or the way he talks to him to be like, hey, this is probably not what you should be doing.

Sil: 01:48:42

So I think he was expecting that.

Sil: 01:48:43

Because the minute that he does that, I think.

Sil: 01:48:45

I think that Eddie would just cave in and say, okay, fine, you're right.

Sil: 01:48:49

This is not the best thing to do, but what else can I do?

Sil: 01:48:52

And maybe he wanted that, probably.

Rachel: 01:48:55

Yeah.

Sil: 01:48:56

Which is where I'm saying, like, that whole, like.

Sil: 01:48:58

That the whole, like, them not actually talking, like, they're.

Sil: 01:49:01

It's like they're getting closer.

Sil: 01:49:03

It's like they're getting closer.

Sil: 01:49:05

They've been apart.

Sil: 01:49:06

This.

Sil: 01:49:06

There's, like.

Sil: 01:49:07

They kind of have been apart.

Sil: 01:49:09

Not really, you know, like, not in that, like, tangible way where it's like, oh, they got emotionally, but they've been apart.

Han: 01:49:14

But emotionally.

Han: 01:49:15

And I'm sure book.

Han: 01:49:16

I mean, from my understanding, has to Feel like, distanced from Christopher, not just because he's far away, but, like, I don't know what contact he has with Christopher.

Han: 01:49:27

But Eddie doesn't talk to him about Christopher.

Rachel: 01:49:30

No, he's talking to a lot of.

Sil: 01:49:32

People, except about Christopher, who was actually present there when he left.

Sil: 01:49:37

And also I think.

Han: 01:49:39

Oh, he's blaming himself for that still.

Han: 01:49:41

Absolutely.

Sil: 01:49:42

Yes.

Sil: 01:49:42

That's what I was going to get at.

Sil: 01:49:43

I was like, also, Buck probably feels some sort of guilt.

Sil: 01:49:47

I feel like I said that somewhere, someone, some, someday.

Sil: 01:49:50

But like, that he feels kind of like guilty because he normally.

Sil: 01:49:54

Chris is the one that goes to him when something is wrong.

Sil: 01:49:57

And like, the one chance of this one time that he doesn't go to him or this one time that Buck wasn't able to help Christopher in a way, and.

Sil: 01:50:07

Or Eddie and Christopher leaving with his grandparents.

Sil: 01:50:10

I mean, he probably does blame himself.

Sil: 01:50:13

And maybe that's also, like, why they haven't really talked about it because, like, there's just so.

Han: 01:50:17

And why so many.

Han: 01:50:18

Hasn't pushed.

Sil: 01:50:19

Yeah.

Sil: 01:50:20

So many layers.

Sil: 01:50:20

And then.

Sil: 01:50:21

And then the.

Sil: 01:50:22

And then the.

Sil: 01:50:23

Taught me of it all.

Sil: 01:50:24

Because.

Sil: 01:50:25

Because like I said, like I said last episode in the last special, that he was like a distraction.

Sil: 01:50:31

Like, this is why they haven't been talking.

Sil: 01:50:33

Like, yeah, like, he threw himself into that relationship instead of, like, actually.

Sil: 01:50:37

And.

Sil: 01:50:37

And yeah, he was hanging out with Eddie, but with that.

Sil: 01:50:41

With Tommy being that buffer.

Sil: 01:50:43

And now that Tommy is gone, now he gets to kind of.

Sil: 01:50:46

There's no buffer.

Sil: 01:50:47

There's no anything that's going to prevent him from actually talking about the elephant.

Sil: 01:50:55

And then.

Sil: 01:50:56

And now we have House in Texas.

Rachel: 01:50:58

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:50:59

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:51:00

I definitely think Eddie wanted and anticipated Buck to question his motives or to question just anything about that.

Rachel: 01:51:12

Right.

Rachel: 01:51:12

Because that's usually what Buck does.

Rachel: 01:51:14

Buck kind of like pushes back in.

Rachel: 01:51:17

In a way that, like, allows Eddie to really kind of like, take a step back and.

Rachel: 01:51:22

And look before he leaves, which he is so want to do so much of the time.

Rachel: 01:51:27

So for Buck to apply this kind of.

Rachel: 01:51:31

This same kind of, like, radical acceptance that he's been, you know, instituting in his life so much towards Eddie, I think is something that he hasn't maybe quite experienced that before because they do a lot more of, like a partnership, equal, equal playing field, push, pull, and for Buck not to.

Rachel: 01:51:56

Not to push back against this decision, I think took.

Rachel: 01:52:02

Took Eddie back.

Rachel: 01:52:04

And, you know, knowing him, he's going to be like, well, now I have to do it.

Rachel: 01:52:08

Because Buck want.

Rachel: 01:52:09

Because Buck is supportive and almost like Buck wants Me to do it and da, da, da, da, da.

Rachel: 01:52:14

And it's just like, oh, my God.

Rachel: 01:52:15

No, no, that's not what's going on here.

Han: 01:52:19

Like, yeah.

Han: 01:52:20

And I just.

Han: 01:52:21

I just feel like, because, like, take away all the other things, but because Buck doesn't know what's going on with Christopher, doesn't know anything.

Han: 01:52:29

Like, I don't.

Han: 01:52:30

I just don't feel like he in any way felt like he had any place a say to.

Han: 01:52:35

To insert himself into the place that he has been welcome and invited to insert himself into for seven years.

Han: 01:52:44

Like, oh, yeah.

Rachel: 01:52:46

It's like, I think.

Rachel: 01:52:47

I think at the end of the day, they both kind of surprised themselves and each other with the reaction that they did have to the other's reaction, if that makes sense.

Rachel: 01:53:01

And that's not even like, that's not even talking about when.

Rachel: 01:53:05

When Buck is like, yeah, let's take this, like, we are going to take this party to the couch.

Rachel: 01:53:13

The couch.

Rachel: 01:53:15

First of all, like, couch theory alive and well again.

Rachel: 01:53:21

Second, again, we've never been more back.

Rachel: 01:53:24

And then.

Rachel: 01:53:25

So then you have, you know, Buck being so gung ho, and both of them just kind of being like, what am I doing right now?

Rachel: 01:53:33

And you see Eddie's reaction to that being just kind of like, okay, and then Buck sitting on the couch.

Rachel: 01:53:40

And I will say I think it's easier to part sao Eddie's reaction to that because I think he's kind of like, oh, Buck's being supportive.

Rachel: 01:53:51

Like, why would I kind of assume that he wouldn't be supportive?

Rachel: 01:53:55

But also, I'm not sure that's exactly what he wanted.

Rachel: 01:53:59

Okay, never mind.

Rachel: 01:54:00

It's not easy to as easy to parse out.

Rachel: 01:54:02

It's just kind of like, here's Buck just being.

Rachel: 01:54:04

Just being Buck.

Rachel: 01:54:05

That's kind of what sort of thing.

Han: 01:54:06

I thought it was like, kind of surprise.

Han: 01:54:08

But then him being like, smiling because he's like, well, of course Buck is doing this.

Han: 01:54:12

Like, this is.

Han: 01:54:13

This is Buck.

Sil: 01:54:14

This is what he does.

Sil: 01:54:15

He likes to fix things.

Han: 01:54:17

Like, I don't know why I was scared to tell him.

Rachel: 01:54:20

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:54:21

So then.

Han: 01:54:22

No, why I was scared to tell him.

Han: 01:54:24

He always has my back.

Rachel: 01:54:25

Exactly.

Rachel: 01:54:26

So then meanwhile, Eddie is still in the kitchen, right?

Rachel: 01:54:30

The place of, like, the heart to hearts, where he maybe assumed that they were gonna have more of a conversation.

Rachel: 01:54:36

Buck skedaddles over to the couch, of all places, sits down.

Rachel: 01:54:42

Not in.

Rachel: 01:54:44

I don't think it really matters, but not.

Rachel: 01:54:46

Well, okay, it doesn't matter in connection to 806 as much because he sits in, like, the spot that we can see, which parallels at the beginning of the episode 808, when Eddie is talking to Christopher and Eddie is not sitting on the couch.

Rachel: 01:55:03

He's sitting on the.

Rachel: 01:55:06

Can't sit in a place regular.

Rachel: 01:55:09

He's sitting on coffee table.

Sil: 01:55:13

He can't sit straight.

Han: 01:55:14

No, he can't even sit straight.

Rachel: 01:55:16

Capable.

Rachel: 01:55:17

Because.

Rachel: 01:55:17

Because he's not.

Rachel: 01:55:21

But so he's like.

Rachel: 01:55:22

He's sitting on the coffee table facing the couch.

Rachel: 01:55:25

And this is.

Rachel: 01:55:27

If you put the two shots together of Buck sitting on the couch, you know, waiting for Eddie to join him and Eddie on the coffee table, like, talking to Christopher.

Rachel: 01:55:38

And they're both holding, like, the iPad in front of them.

Rachel: 01:55:41

It's like a perfect mirror where, like, if they were doing that at the same time and actually, I don't know, communicating, they would be face to face, like, on the same eye level, the same playing field.

Rachel: 01:55:53

Like, that's just a beautifully well done, like, blocking.

Rachel: 01:55:59

I'm a little.

Rachel: 01:56:01

A lot obsessed with that.

Rachel: 01:56:03

I really want to draw it.

Rachel: 01:56:06

It's gonna happen.

Rachel: 01:56:07

I don't know when.

Rachel: 01:56:08

But, like, so you have Buck waiting for Eddie to join him on the couch, which I think we can get into, like, in a little bit.

Rachel: 01:56:18

But the reaction, the facial expression, the face journey that.

Sil: 01:56:25

But goes through the look.

Rachel: 01:56:29

This look, whatever.

Rachel: 01:56:30

This look is multi.

Rachel: 01:56:32

It's layered.

Rachel: 01:56:34

That spoke volumes.

Sil: 01:56:36

No, that look holds so much volume and so much, so many.

Sil: 01:56:40

So many layers and multi.

Sil: 01:56:42

Multitudes.

Sil: 01:56:43

I mean, that.

Sil: 01:56:44

That face journey that we go through is insane.

Sil: 01:56:47

To the point that we were all, like, part of us.

Sil: 01:56:50

We're like, is that the O moment?

Sil: 01:56:52

Or some of us and then the other half of us is like, it's not the O moment, but it's something.

Han: 01:56:57

It's a moment.

Rachel: 01:56:58

It's a moment.

Han: 01:57:00

Jinx.

Rachel: 01:57:00

Yeah.

Han: 01:57:03

I think in our live react, we were like, what was that look?

Han: 01:57:06

What was.

Rachel: 01:57:07

What was that?

Han: 01:57:09

What was that?

Rachel: 01:57:10

I think we were like, literally.

Han: 01:57:15

What was that about?

Rachel: 01:57:17

And I think.

Rachel: 01:57:18

I think we were all pretty unanimous in not believing that it is the O moment.

Rachel: 01:57:26

But like.

Han: 01:57:27

But if you watch it in reverse.

Rachel: 01:57:32

Oh, my God.

Rachel: 01:57:34

You need, like, an O moment.

Sil: 01:57:37

I know the editors have probably watched that moment so many times, and maybe they know what we're talking about.

Sil: 01:57:43

If we have any editors listening, that is an oh moment in reverse.

Rachel: 01:57:49

Because.

Rachel: 01:57:49

Because we were watching it together frame by frame.

Rachel: 01:57:52

And then hand.

Rachel: 01:57:54

You were, like, reversing it.

Rachel: 01:57:56

It's just playing it backwards.

Rachel: 01:57:57

But, you know, instead of, like, the smile falling and looking into, like, the I don't know what this is, what this feeling is.

Rachel: 01:58:04

It goes from the I don't know what this feeling is to realization.

Rachel: 01:58:08

And I.

Rachel: 01:58:09

And it's so.

Rachel: 01:58:11

It took me out.

Rachel: 01:58:12

It's so bizarre.

Rachel: 01:58:13

Not bizarre, but like wild.

Rachel: 01:58:14

To me that.

Rachel: 01:58:15

That is so far, like the closest.

Rachel: 01:58:18

We're like the closest kind of preview into an O moment that we're.

Rachel: 01:58:27

That we've gotten so far.

Rachel: 01:58:28

Like, that is what it's going to look like.

Sil: 01:58:31

So there was eventually.

Sil: 01:58:33

So there was a tweet on my timeline, I think day after day episode that was like a comparison between and Dean.

Sil: 01:58:42

Not the scene that I'm thinking of.

Sil: 01:58:43

But so it was.

Sil: 01:58:46

It was really funny.

Sil: 01:58:47

I'm just gonna.

Sil: 01:58:48

This is a small like supernatural segue, but it's going to kind of tie into what we're talking about.

Sil: 01:58:54

But like, typical us.

Sil: 01:58:56

When.

Sil: 01:58:57

When I was watching the scene, I was like this.

Sil: 01:58:59

I've seen this film before where.

Sil: 01:59:01

And I didn't like the ending.

Sil: 01:59:05

So somebody put like a side by side of like Dean and Buck making this face.

Sil: 01:59:11

But I don't think.

Sil: 01:59:12

I don't think that the Dean screen cap is from like the confession episode.

Sil: 01:59:17

I think it was from somewhere else.

Sil: 01:59:18

But that being said, I was like.

Sil: 01:59:20

It was a Dean Winchester thing.

Sil: 01:59:23

I've seen this face on Dean Winchester.

Sil: 01:59:26

Welcome back, Dean Winchester.

Sil: 01:59:28

Close enough, but welcome back.

Sil: 01:59:32

That being said.

Sil: 01:59:35

So that whole thing where we're talking about like, re.

Sil: 01:59:38

Like reversing the scene.

Sil: 01:59:39

So what I've done in edits before for.

Sil: 01:59:45

I did it for a Destiel edit.

Sil: 01:59:46

I think like after the confession came out or probably a couple months after the confession came out, I did like a reverse of this one of the scenes or when it's like on specifically on Jensen or Dean's coverage, I did a reversal and that.

Sil: 02:00:02

And it's kind of similar.

Sil: 02:00:02

It's like in reverse.

Sil: 02:00:04

It was like.

Sil: 02:00:04

Oh, like.

Sil: 02:00:05

Like a similar look of like an O moment.

Sil: 02:00:08

So it's kind of interesting.

Han: 02:00:09

Do you know what that feels like, though?

Han: 02:00:11

It feels like it trying to surface and them shoving it down, which is what I think this kind of was.

Han: 02:00:18

I think this was a.

Han: 02:00:20

It was a journey.

Han: 02:00:20

It was a multitude of feelings, which is why his face goes through so much.

Han: 02:00:26

You know, all the stages of grief.

Han: 02:00:27

Like.

Rachel: 02:00:28

Yeah, yeah.

Sil: 02:00:30

So.

Han: 02:00:31

So it's kind of like the smile drops and then he's like, he's leaving.

Han: 02:00:36

I'm getting left again.

Han: 02:00:38

And then he's like.

Han: 02:00:39

Then it's like he looks gut punched.

Han: 02:00:41

And it's like.

Han: 02:00:42

I Think he's realizing, like, this does not feel like how getting left normally feels.

Han: 02:00:47

Like, what is.

Han: 02:00:48

What is that?

Han: 02:00:49

Because, like, I just.

Rachel: 02:00:52

It's something he's familiar with.

Rachel: 02:00:53

Right.

Rachel: 02:00:54

Being left.

Han: 02:00:55

And he has masks.

Rachel: 02:00:56

Why does this one.

Han: 02:00:57

Right.

Han: 02:00:57

He has masks for that.

Rachel: 02:00:59

And this isn't the one that he usually wears.

Rachel: 02:01:02

So it's like, why does this feel so different?

Han: 02:01:05

And then it's like.

Han: 02:01:07

It's like you can visibly see him, like, shake it off, shake it off.

Rachel: 02:01:12

Shake it.

Han: 02:01:13

Right?

Han: 02:01:13

Like, it's like he's.

Han: 02:01:14

He's like, no.

Han: 02:01:15

Or like, you know, it's like he's shoving it back down because he's like, I can't.

Han: 02:01:19

No.

Han: 02:01:20

The one time he sees the big red button is like, nope, I'm fine.

Sil: 02:01:25

And the whole thing is that this is Eddie.

Sil: 02:01:28

This is Eddie who's supposed to have his back.

Sil: 02:01:30

This is Eddie who.

Sil: 02:01:32

I guess he never really thought that he would, like, get up and leave.

Han: 02:01:36

Leave, leave.

Sil: 02:01:38

Like, in a permanent sense.

Rachel: 02:01:40

Yeah.

Sil: 02:01:40

And it's like, so it hurts.

Han: 02:01:42

It was bad enough when he just.

Rachel: 02:01:43

Left the 118, and that was still.

Han: 02:01:46

In the same city and they still were hanging out.

Rachel: 02:01:48

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:01:49

How's he going to do, like, not that it's all about Buck, but, like.

Rachel: 02:01:53

And we're looking at it in.

Han: 02:01:54

In the buddy section.

Han: 02:01:55

It is half about buck.

Rachel: 02:01:57

So it is half about Buck.

Rachel: 02:01:59

So, like, how is he gonna do when.

Rachel: 02:02:01

When Eddie is, like, a hundred miles away?

Rachel: 02:02:04

Like, and it's like, I.

Rachel: 02:02:06

I keep using, like, two different metaphors.

Rachel: 02:02:09

I'm sorry.

Rachel: 02:02:10

I think figuratively, but.

Rachel: 02:02:14

But a lot of that reaction is.

Rachel: 02:02:15

Is, you know, stuff like if his little mind is a pot on a stove and things were, like, starting to come to a bubble or a boil.

Rachel: 02:02:26

He slammed that top.

Rachel: 02:02:27

That lid on so fast so that it wouldn't still.

Rachel: 02:02:31

Now it's just like.

Rachel: 02:02:32

It's exactly.

Rachel: 02:02:33

It's simmering just under the surface now.

Rachel: 02:02:36

It's going to boil over at some point.

Rachel: 02:02:38

Right.

Rachel: 02:02:39

And the other.

Han: 02:02:40

Especially if he keeps pushing down his feelings about what's going on with Eddie.

Rachel: 02:02:47

Exactly.

Han: 02:02:47

Because he's trying to be supportive and help him.

Han: 02:02:50

And if he's not gonna address any of those feelings, let alone talk about.

Rachel: 02:02:54

Them, it's going to blow up like a grenade.

Rachel: 02:02:58

I think it's not a full realization yet.

Rachel: 02:03:01

I think he's on his way.

Rachel: 02:03:02

I think in his little, like, hallway, on his way to realization of things.

Rachel: 02:03:07

Right.

Rachel: 02:03:07

There are multiple doors that he has to walk through.

Rachel: 02:03:10

I think he's walked through the first one or one of the first ones where it's like, this is something.

Rachel: 02:03:18

I'm not going to investigate that right now because I'm trying to be a happy, go lucky Buck.

Han: 02:03:26

And this is something that before realizing that he also liked men that I don't think he would have pushed down so hard immediately because with that comes awareness of things, feeling.

Rachel: 02:03:41

Because it's like.

Rachel: 02:03:42

Because then he has to look at it as, not only is this his best friend doing this, but this is like there's that added layer of like, Eddie is a man.

Rachel: 02:03:52

And, you know, there may be feelings attached to that that are more than best friend sort of thing.

Rachel: 02:03:58

And we already know he's.

Rachel: 02:04:00

He's kind of like not really looking into, like the sexuality aspect of things, like, very deeply right now.

Rachel: 02:04:08

So, like, he's at this point now he's actively.

Han: 02:04:12

I think, I think it's because if he does, he's going to realize he's in love with Eddie.

Han: 02:04:16

Like, exactly.

Rachel: 02:04:18

And.

Rachel: 02:04:18

And that is like, that is the crux of, I think, the entire reason why they've been kind of keeping Buck and Eddie at arm's length from each other, like, emotionally the whole time.

Rachel: 02:04:29

Because if you put them together long enough, they're going to, like, something's going to happen.

Rachel: 02:04:36

Right.

Rachel: 02:04:37

So what do you do is you keep them separate.

Rachel: 02:04:41

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:04:42

Conceal, don't feel, but like you have to.

Rachel: 02:04:44

So what you, what you do to prevent your characters from truly moving forward in a certain direction that would happen if they were naturally like, closer together.

Rachel: 02:04:54

Right.

Rachel: 02:04:55

Is you keep them apart.

Rachel: 02:04:56

And that is, I think, the whole reason for them doing the Eddie, you know, I'm moving to El Paso sort of thing.

Rachel: 02:05:07

It is specifically to ramp up the tension, to raise the stakes, to provide a more agonizing, like, more angst filled, slow burn.

Rachel: 02:05:22

Like so many of us, the yearning, it's about the yearning, like so many of us really want to see and kind of revel in a little bit.

Rachel: 02:05:33

Because if they didn't have anything kind of happening in this way for either Eddie or Buck in a way that really affects both of them truly, it would just kind of be like a.

Rachel: 02:05:48

Okay, they're together now.

Rachel: 02:05:50

No, you have to really put them, put them through the horrors.

Rachel: 02:05:54

Right.

Rachel: 02:05:56

And.

Rachel: 02:05:56

And I think that's what the El Paso thing is.

Rachel: 02:05:59

So my opinion is I don't think that we're going to see Eddie in El Paso in any sort of like, permanent basis, if we even get that far.

Rachel: 02:06:08

But I think it is narratively the, like, one of the obstacles that are put in place right now that.

Rachel: 02:06:17

That makes the stakes higher for when they each have their realizations.

Rachel: 02:06:25

And that's gonna.

Rachel: 02:06:26

It's just gonna make it really juicy.

Sil: 02:06:29

Okay, so some parallels or in symbolism that I caught on after the episode was.

Sil: 02:06:36

So I.

Sil: 02:06:36

I thought it was really interesting.

Sil: 02:06:37

And someone pointed out to me that it was from the same writer.

Sil: 02:06:40

So, like Bethena looking for a home or shopping around for a home and then ultimately deciding to build that home.

Sil: 02:06:50

That episode was also.

Sil: 02:06:52

I think the writer is the same.

Sil: 02:06:54

I don't know if that's.

Sil: 02:06:55

Is it episode two?

Sil: 02:06:56

I don't even remember.

Sil: 02:06:57

But anyway, like, it was written by the same person.

Sil: 02:07:00

And.

Rachel: 02:07:00

Oh, are you talking about episode four?

Rachel: 02:07:03

Molly Green and James Lefler.

Rachel: 02:07:05

They wrote episode one.

Sil: 02:07:06

They wrote episode one.

Sil: 02:07:09

Anywho, someone pointed that out to me, but I.

Sil: 02:07:12

But I just thought it was really interesting that they were paralleling Athena because Buck is helping Eddie choose a house because he does say to Eddie, you know, I don't trust you to pick a.

Sil: 02:07:25

Pick a nice house.

Sil: 02:07:27

And.

Sil: 02:07:28

And that, to me, is kind of like.

Sil: 02:07:30

Well, this is what.

Sil: 02:07:32

Like, ultimately, it's kind of like them building them.

Sil: 02:07:38

Them looking for the perfect home.

Sil: 02:07:40

But the perfect home is where they are right now is basically like the.

Rachel: 02:07:45

Foundations are already there.

Sil: 02:07:46

Yeah.

Sil: 02:07:47

Instead of trying to find a nice place in Texas, like, he could just not.

Sil: 02:07:53

And rented Airbnb.

Sil: 02:07:55

That's the.

Sil: 02:07:55

That's the joke.

Han: 02:07:58

I don't know.

Rachel: 02:07:58

He doesn't have to go all the way.

Han: 02:08:00

Conversation over FaceTime with his son.

Rachel: 02:08:02

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:08:03

Or go visit.

Rachel: 02:08:05

Rent a hotel room.

Rachel: 02:08:06

Yep.

Rachel: 02:08:07

For a weekend.

Sil: 02:08:08

There's amazing.

Han: 02:08:10

Groundbreaking.

Sil: 02:08:11

Also, this isn't parallels.

Sil: 02:08:13

I don't know if this is a parallel or symbolism, but.

Sil: 02:08:16

So I know we kind of already talked about it, but there was one thing I wanted to point out, which was the, you know, in episode six, we have Eddie not choosing to drink juice or choosing to.

Sil: 02:08:31

Instead of just, you know, getting water instead, because he doesn't.

Sil: 02:08:36

He feels like he needs to be punished and not feel joy.

Sil: 02:08:39

And then that same episode, he can't be fruity.

Sil: 02:08:43

Yeah.

Sil: 02:08:43

And then in that same episode, you know, Buck comes in with the beer.

Sil: 02:08:47

He gives.

Sil: 02:08:48

He gives Buck the beer.

Sil: 02:08:49

He takes it.

Sil: 02:08:50

He's like, all right, cool.

Sil: 02:08:51

Buck coming in with.

Sil: 02:08:54

With his, like, baked goods, and he just, like, shoves a scone at Eddie.

Sil: 02:08:59

Like, he just gives it to him.

Sil: 02:09:01

And then.

Sil: 02:09:01

And then.

Sil: 02:09:02

And then Eddie's like.

Sil: 02:09:03

He's like.

Sil: 02:09:04

He looks at it.

Sil: 02:09:04

He kind of does the same thing that he did with the beer.

Sil: 02:09:06

He, like, Looks at it, and then he's like, all right, cool.

Sil: 02:09:08

I'm accepting it.

Sil: 02:09:10

And then he eats it.

Sil: 02:09:10

And then he's like, oh, this is really good.

Sil: 02:09:12

And I'm, like, trying to.

Sil: 02:09:13

I'm trying to remember if there's any time where we see Eddie accepting or enjoying.

Sil: 02:09:22

Enjoying any kind of, like, sweets.

Sil: 02:09:25

Or maybe it's like something around the lines of, like, this is Buck giving something, indulging Eddie, and now he's taking the opportunity to indulge in it.

Han: 02:09:35

I have a stupid symbolism thing.

Rachel: 02:09:40

Love it.

Rachel: 02:09:41

Go for it.

Han: 02:09:42

He gave him beer, like, wine, and he gave him a scone, which is like bread.

Rachel: 02:09:51

I knew exactly what you heard.

Han: 02:09:53

He's communing at the church of Buck because Buck is his religion.

Han: 02:09:59

Buck is who he has faith in.

Han: 02:10:02

Stupid, but also true.

Rachel: 02:10:05

That's not stupid.

Rachel: 02:10:06

I think that's really smart.

Rachel: 02:10:08

You cooked.

Sil: 02:10:08

That was good.

Rachel: 02:10:09

Yeah, you baked.

Rachel: 02:10:11

You baked with that one.

Rachel: 02:10:12

Both of you.

Rachel: 02:10:13

Both of you baked with this.

Sil: 02:10:14

I was gonna say before because I had to remember that it was beer that Buck gave him.

Sil: 02:10:19

I was actually gonna be like, oh, Buck is giving him sweetness, which is, like, equivalent to, like, care and, like, something that, you know, he.

Sil: 02:10:29

He's kind of, like, hasn't accepted.

Sil: 02:10:31

And now he's, like, accepting every single time that Buck is just giving him something.

Rachel: 02:10:35

So no questions asked.

Rachel: 02:10:37

Yeah.

Sil: 02:10:38

Now it's.

Rachel: 02:10:38

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:10:39

Ooh, that's interesting.

Han: 02:10:42

I can't wait to put Church of Buckley in copy somewhere in social media.

Rachel: 02:10:47

Give us a Dayar Daily Scone.

Rachel: 02:10:51

We'll workshop it.

Han: 02:10:54

I love that.

Han: 02:10:55

I love that, Sil.

Sil: 02:10:56

Thank you.

Rachel: 02:10:57

That's fantastic.

Sil: 02:10:58

I think I'm done with mine.

Rachel: 02:10:59

I just wanted to very, very briefly bring up the color theory thing again.

Rachel: 02:11:05

You know, the red and blue and everything.

Rachel: 02:11:09

So I know some people have pointed out that Buck wearing, like, the dark kind of bluish color and Eddie wearing, like, the darker red in episode eight is very similar to when Chris left at the end of season seven.

Rachel: 02:11:24

So they're.

Rachel: 02:11:24

And they're talking about El Paso.

Rachel: 02:11:26

So that's already, like, mirroring kind of their same outfits in that.

Rachel: 02:11:32

And.

Rachel: 02:11:33

But also I want to.

Rachel: 02:11:34

I want to investigate a little bit very quickly the fact that Eddie, in both of his scenes at home, like, when he's talking to Chris, he's wearing this, like, dark red or maroony kind of like Henley or short sleeve Henley.

Rachel: 02:11:50

And then he's wearing.

Rachel: 02:11:51

It's a very similar color to the button up that we see at the end of the episode.

Rachel: 02:11:55

And I just think it's we know Eddie's color is blue.

Rachel: 02:11:59

Right.

Rachel: 02:12:00

But I do think it's interesting that we see him in these really dark, deep, heavy, like, maroony red colors after we see him dance around in his pink oxford shirt with the Risky Business, because it's still part of the same color family.

Rachel: 02:12:19

Right.

Rachel: 02:12:19

But it's just, like, so much deeper, so much kind of, like, burdened, repressed a little bit, because there's the tint has so much more black than.

Rachel: 02:12:31

Than white, which would be the pink.

Rachel: 02:12:33

So I just thought that was interesting that he's still wearing, like, the same color family, but in this episode where he feels so much heavier, especially, and he's not really finding his joy.

Rachel: 02:12:45

And I think.

Rachel: 02:12:46

I don't know if anyone else has dubbed it this, but I'm calling the.

Rachel: 02:12:50

The pink that we also see at the.

Rachel: 02:12:53

The bachelor party in last season.

Rachel: 02:12:57

I'm calling it, like, a freedom pink.

Rachel: 02:12:59

Okay.

Rachel: 02:13:00

So it's just interesting that it's, like, the same color family, but just, like, so much richer, deeper, burdened.

Rachel: 02:13:06

And then the.

Rachel: 02:13:08

Also speaking about the red and blue of it all, the Texas print that's hanging up behind the couch, which we did see in 806, it has, you know, the shape of Texas, but inside Texas is spelled out in red, and all surrounding it is this dark blue, which matches what Buck and Eddie are wearing.

Rachel: 02:13:31

So if Eddie is talking about going back to Texas, he would be in Texas.

Rachel: 02:13:35

And Buck wearing that dark blue is on the outside.

Rachel: 02:13:39

Again, something about that.

Sil: 02:13:41

So I have a tweet from Eddie Divas where they noticed so far this season that the Diaz.

Sil: 02:13:52

The Diaz house has been shown in, like, warm lighting during, like, delicate, vulnerable, intimate, and maybe romantic moments.

Sil: 02:14:00

But then when Eddie introduces Buck to the idea of the house, of his.

Sil: 02:14:05

Of his what?

Sil: 02:14:06

The idea of, I guess, moving to Texas.

Sil: 02:14:10

Like, it.

Sil: 02:14:11

The.

Sil: 02:14:11

You know, the color.

Sil: 02:14:13

Is the color gradient.

Sil: 02:14:14

Well, the.

Sil: 02:14:15

The like.

Sil: 02:14:16

So the coloring in that scene, the color grading in that scene, it's like, more light and I guess, like, it's more of a.

Sil: 02:14:23

Like, cold, washed out.

Rachel: 02:14:26

Cool.

Rachel: 02:14:27

Yeah.

Sil: 02:14:28

So I thought that was interesting that someone noticed that, because it does feel like we don't.

Sil: 02:14:33

We haven't.

Sil: 02:14:34

I don't think we've really seen that this season until now where that.

Sil: 02:14:40

Where their.

Sil: 02:14:41

Where Eddie's house isn't really, like, washed into those.

Sil: 02:14:45

Into those warm tones.

Sil: 02:14:47

And now, like, with him delivering that news, it's like, you know, it's just cold.

Sil: 02:14:51

Like, it's like the.

Rachel: 02:14:52

It gives it a very empty feeling.

Sil: 02:14:55

Yeah.

Han: 02:14:55

Which do you know it's really fun to think about.

Rachel: 02:14:58

It's gonna hurt, huh?

Han: 02:14:59

I mean, if you just think about how.

Han: 02:15:01

How Buck has been in the place that he feels most at home with the people who he loves the most while he loses half of that family and then loses the rest of them.

Rachel: 02:15:13

You're losing me.

Rachel: 02:15:15

Oh, I hate that so much.

Han: 02:15:17

Oh, my God.

Han: 02:15:17

I hope he moves into that house.

Rachel: 02:15:19

Oh, my God.

Han: 02:15:19

Yeah, I, like, I want Eddie to leave for, like, a little bit just so we can get that angst.

Han: 02:15:25

That angst and that Abby parallel.

Han: 02:15:27

Oh.

Rachel: 02:15:29

Oh, my God.

Rachel: 02:15:29

That would ease because it feels more like home to Buck than Buck's home does.

Rachel: 02:15:35

But, like, would it?

Han: 02:15:36

But no, it's not gonna feel like.

Rachel: 02:15:37

Home because nobody's there, because home is a people, not a place.

Rachel: 02:15:42

Oh, man.

Sil: 02:15:43

I keep thinking about, like, the whole breaking the cycle thing, and, like, you know, you bring up Abby.

Sil: 02:15:50

Are you talking about, like, the air.

Sil: 02:15:52

The airport scene?

Sil: 02:15:53

Well, we're talking about both the airport.

Han: 02:15:54

I'm talking about him living in her apartment while she's gone after he takes her to the airport.

Rachel: 02:16:02

Yeah.

Han: 02:16:03

So if we get Buck taking Eddie to the airport, getting some sort of parallel shot to a different Florence in the machine.

Han: 02:16:11

Annie.

Han: 02:16:12

Annie cooked with that.

Han: 02:16:14

Did you see that tweet that Annie had about the different.

Rachel: 02:16:17

No.

Han: 02:16:17

So I think this is like a reuniting scene, or maybe he just doesn't leave.

Han: 02:16:25

Like, he changes his mind, but basically, do, you know, never let me go by Florence.

Han: 02:16:30

Yeah, machine, probably.

Han: 02:16:32

But they were like.

Han: 02:16:33

So we get an airport scene, but with this instead of.

Rachel: 02:16:37

Okay, I'm gonna have to shake it out.

Rachel: 02:16:41

Oh, my God.

Sil: 02:16:42

No, that would be good.

Sil: 02:16:43

Because what I was thinking was, like, we get that airport scene.

Sil: 02:16:46

We get that same shot, and it's either he goes through the doors, he goes through the glass doors, or Eddie comes out of those glass doors, whichever one we really want to.

Sil: 02:16:56

Instead of him just, like, staring despondently and, you know.

Sil: 02:17:02

Oh.

Rachel: 02:17:03

Oh, my God.

Rachel: 02:17:04

Devastating.

Rachel: 02:17:05

Did we have any more parallels?

Han: 02:17:07

I think one I wrote down is really quick.

Han: 02:17:09

Just the three of us.

Han: 02:17:10

Don't know exactly.

Han: 02:17:11

The last time that Buck actually used his key.

Han: 02:17:12

I think it was season five is.

Rachel: 02:17:14

What we figured out somewhere around there.

Han: 02:17:17

Yeah.

Han: 02:17:18

So we were talking last night about, like, Buck knocking versus ringing the doorbells, versus using his key and kind of equating that to his headspace and then how close or how distant he feels with Eddie at the time.

Han: 02:17:33

So doorbell is like.

Han: 02:17:35

I feel most distant.

Han: 02:17:37

Or maybe knocking is actually.

Han: 02:17:39

What do you think?

Sil: 02:17:39

I think Knocking is.

Rachel: 02:17:41

I think he's only used the doorbell the one time in Confessions.

Han: 02:17:46

No, he used the door.

Sil: 02:17:47

No, he used it.

Sil: 02:17:48

He used the back door.

Rachel: 02:17:50

He knocked.

Rachel: 02:17:52

Wait, Okay.

Rachel: 02:17:53

I thought that was a knock.

Han: 02:17:55

I thought he rang the doorbell when the.

Han: 02:17:58

The episode that.

Han: 02:17:59

That Chris leaves.

Han: 02:18:00

I can't remember.

Sil: 02:18:01

Yes, I think he did.

Rachel: 02:18:03

Oh, okay.

Han: 02:18:03

Okay.

Sil: 02:18:04

I think he did.

Rachel: 02:18:05

I don't remember now.

Han: 02:18:06

Oh, goodness.

Han: 02:18:07

Anyway, tldr, basically, if he lets himself in, he's feeling good and secure, like, in his place in the Diaz household.

Han: 02:18:20

So that's.

Han: 02:18:21

He hasn't used his keys since season five.

Han: 02:18:25

That we know of for sure.

Rachel: 02:18:26

I know.

Sil: 02:18:27

I think I also talked about how he.

Sil: 02:18:30

I think the.

Sil: 02:18:31

I think the assumption, like, the general audience assumption is that he uses the key for emergencies only.

Sil: 02:18:37

Where I.

Sil: 02:18:38

But then we were trying to figure out, like, how does this track with or tie into with, like, him coming in with the baked goods in this episode?

Sil: 02:18:47

And then.

Sil: 02:18:47

And then I think we landed on, oh, it's an emergency.

Sil: 02:18:50

Because he was thinking about calling Tommy.

Rachel: 02:18:53

He's.

Rachel: 02:18:54

He's.

Han: 02:18:54

So he knocked, but then he used his keys because.

Rachel: 02:18:59

Walk right on through.

Rachel: 02:19:00

Because he needed.

Rachel: 02:19:01

He needed to be around Eddie to take his mind off stuff, which it did.

Han: 02:19:07

Tommy who?

Rachel: 02:19:08

I don't think it made it better.

Sil: 02:19:09

Tommy who.

Rachel: 02:19:10

Yeah, Forgot about him real quick.

Rachel: 02:19:14

Okay.

Rachel: 02:19:14

So I think very briefly, we can.

Rachel: 02:19:17

There's a couple things of, like, we.

Rachel: 02:19:19

We call it into the Looking Glass.

Rachel: 02:19:21

So some things to, like, kind of keep in mind or season parallels.

Rachel: 02:19:26

So one thing that I thought of to keep in mind with reintroducing Detective Romero in 808 with the cart copy case, I thought was probably intentional and a clever way to kind of bring him back into the fold because we'll probably be seeing him again in 809 and 810 with the potential serial killer storyline, so it would just make sense that he would be on the case.

Rachel: 02:19:57

So I thought that was like a smart way to kind of like, you know, get the audience to be like, oh, yeah, remember this guy?

Rachel: 02:20:02

He exists.

Rachel: 02:20:04

And then for some season parallels, I don't know if it's anything yet, but, like, in these last two episodes, specifically, there were a couple mentions of, like, you know, miracles.

Rachel: 02:20:15

So, like, chimneys, hot shots, cameo was like, when.

Rachel: 02:20:20

When Brad Torrance's character woke up from the coma, he was like, it's a miracle.

Rachel: 02:20:24

And.

Rachel: 02:20:26

And Bobby being like, I'm not a miracle worker.

Rachel: 02:20:30

When the chief was, you know, trying to get him to talk to Gerard and make him into a better version of himself.

Rachel: 02:20:38

And we just see like a lot of mentions of miracles in previous seasons.

Rachel: 02:20:43

Stuff like, you know, even going back to Chimney and his surviving the rebar incident.

Rachel: 02:20:52

His doctor calls it a miracle.

Rachel: 02:20:54

There's.

Rachel: 02:20:55

There's a bunch of different things and maybe like Bobby's miracle blood that we never talk about again, which I would love to revisit somehow.

Rachel: 02:21:05

And I was like, ooh, maybe it's like a tie to some sort of like maybe, maybe Bobby's cut that out.

Rachel: 02:21:13

Anyways, so just like a lot of like miracle talks and some parallels to season two, which Tim has specific.

Rachel: 02:21:23

Tim Minier has specifically mentioned where he told TV Insider that the way they ended the first half of season eight, he said it kind of reminds him a little of how they ended season two with that finale where everybody had their little happy endings and there was always a question of whether Buck would be able to return.

Rachel: 02:21:47

And that's kind of what they were going for here.

Rachel: 02:21:49

But they wanted to have everybody together back for at least a moment until we come back for 8B and then he can just throw a giant hand grenade into everything.

Rachel: 02:22:00

His words.

Han: 02:22:01

So a grenade, huh?

Rachel: 02:22:03

Interest.

Rachel: 02:22:04

Interesting stuff.

Rachel: 02:22:04

Yes.

Rachel: 02:22:05

There's so.

Rachel: 02:22:06

There's so much of his like very specific wording that I just want to like mention.

Rachel: 02:22:13

So kind of, kind of what we know about what's coming next.

Rachel: 02:22:19

Right?

Rachel: 02:22:20

So we have.

Rachel: 02:22:21

We're going to come back in March, March 6, with 8:09, which has yet to be titled and 8:10, which has also yet to be titled the week after.

Rachel: 02:22:31

And it's most likely going to be a two part premiere or two part return, which makes sense.

Rachel: 02:22:36

That seems to be what they do.

Rachel: 02:22:38

Anyways.

Han: 02:22:38

That's what the promo says.

Han: 02:22:40

The promo says it's a two part.

Rachel: 02:22:42

I meant to relook at the promo and I didn't because just like as a general thing, like promos are misleading.

Rachel: 02:22:51

Next episode previews are so misleading.

Rachel: 02:22:55

And I know there's some talk about like some really kind of, maybe obvious kind of intentional ADR or like dubbing of words and lines and how they like edit them together to make you to lead you on to something.

Rachel: 02:23:14

But then the episode itself is kind of a little, a little different.

Rachel: 02:23:18

And then I have some.

Rachel: 02:23:21

Tim Minier did some interviews about what we can anticipate going forward for 8B.

Rachel: 02:23:29

Stuff about.

Rachel: 02:23:31

I'll talk about just like for Hen and Karen.

Rachel: 02:23:35

He feels like there will be some joy coming.

Rachel: 02:23:38

Like there has to be some joy coming.

Rachel: 02:23:40

So I mean again, take these with a grain of salt, right?

Rachel: 02:23:44

So like Maybe Hen and Karen will get a little bit of a break with Maddie and Chimney.

Rachel: 02:23:52

There's a possibility of the baby being born in season eight but they don't know yet because they still haven't written everything.

Rachel: 02:23:58

However, 809 will be revisiting themes from 806 where Maddie was telling Chimney that she was pregnant and that the pregnancy will factor in not insignificantly in 809 and 10 which we, we kind of get a little bit from the, the promo.

Rachel: 02:24:20

But again, you know, to, to what extent we don't know yet.

Rachel: 02:24:23

For Bobby and Athena, Tim said there, there's been some like ideas floating around about like is Athena going to retire?

Rachel: 02:24:32

And he says it feels like it's way too early for that for her to retire.

Rachel: 02:24:38

So I think we're safe from that at the moment and that the new house storyline for Bobby and Athena will feature heavily in specifically episode 11.

Rachel: 02:24:50

There's not going to be a time jump.

Rachel: 02:24:53

When we come back to 809.

Rachel: 02:24:55

We might see Robbie back which would be fantastic.

Han: 02:24:58

He also said there wasn't much of a time jump between seven and eight so I don't believe a word.

Rachel: 02:25:04

I don't know.

Rachel: 02:25:06

Listen, I trust them with everything in the show except to know time timelines, you know, the eight month, the six months, three months.

Han: 02:25:16

Or for Tim to tell the truth.

Rachel: 02:25:18

Or for Tim to tell the truth, you know.

Sil: 02:25:21

Wait, so the time jump was debunked coming back because I thought Peter said.

Rachel: 02:25:26

Something about I think there's going to be a time jump.

Rachel: 02:25:28

But then Tim says no, there's not going to be a time jump.

Sil: 02:25:31

Oh.

Rachel: 02:25:32

So who knows?

Rachel: 02:25:33

I'm kind of inclined to believe there wouldn't be much of one.

Rachel: 02:25:36

Tim also said if you felt like something wasn't touched on sufficiently in the first eight, you're going to get everything you probably want in the background 10 so it seems like they're really going to be and he says like hit hitting the ground running for the last 10 episodes.

Rachel: 02:25:55

And he says episode 10 is going to be thrilling.

Rachel: 02:25:59

It's going to be a thriller and by the end of episode 10 everybody's life has changed.

Rachel: 02:26:05

So he, he likes to tie up all of these loose ends and reunite the the 118 for like the mid season finale and then and have it seem like all is right with the world and then and I quote, blow it the hell apart of course.

Rachel: 02:26:20

So that's fun.

Han: 02:26:21

Hand grenade.

Han: 02:26:22

Blow it.

Rachel: 02:26:22

The head part.

Han: 02:26:23

Interesting.

Rachel: 02:26:24

Uh huh.

Rachel: 02:26:24

And there's.

Rachel: 02:26:25

So there's a couple more I Don't think we've that I revisited that on.

Han: 02:26:29

The Buddy greatest hits yet, have we?

Rachel: 02:26:31

No, no, I don't think we have.

Rachel: 02:26:33

So.

Rachel: 02:26:34

So he mentions the grenade.

Rachel: 02:26:35

He's.

Rachel: 02:26:36

And I want to, you know, because Tim Mynier is the Taylor Swift of network television and everything he says is a little Easter egg often.

Rachel: 02:26:47

So his wording is very, you know, specific on certain things.

Rachel: 02:26:52

And he talks, he talks about, you know, Eddie's decision to move to El Paso.

Rachel: 02:26:57

He says three times, no less than three times to three different publications.

Rachel: 02:27:03

Eddie is dead serious about moving.

Rachel: 02:27:07

I'm sorry, dead serious.

Rachel: 02:27:09

And I do want to at least you know, or now.

Rachel: 02:27:13

Right?

Rachel: 02:27:13

He says, he says for now.

Rachel: 02:27:15

What do you mean?

Rachel: 02:27:16

And just to devil's advocate and caveat a little bit for a lot of these, I'm pretty sure they were done in the same day or within like a, a couple days of each other like all of these interviews.

Rachel: 02:27:27

So like you know how sometimes you kind of get in your head like a specific phrasing but there are so many other ways that you could say that.

Rachel: 02:27:35

And the fact that he said dead serious about moving three times, it's very interesting to me.

Rachel: 02:27:41

We also see something like that.

Rachel: 02:27:44

We see something like that again when he's talking about Buck, about how Buck will be spinning like a top.

Rachel: 02:27:50

He says that three times also.

Rachel: 02:27:53

He also like kind of funny.

Han: 02:27:55

Haha.

Han: 02:27:55

But also what do spinning tops do?

Han: 02:27:59

They spin really fast and then they fall over or crash into something.

Rachel: 02:28:04

Fall apart.

Rachel: 02:28:04

Fall apart.

Rachel: 02:28:07

And Tim does say that Buck is going to feel even more abandoned by the time we get to 10 and he's going to find a short lived distraction to latch onto to keep from spinning out of control.

Rachel: 02:28:21

He'll find that when they come back and we'll see about how long that lasts.

Rachel: 02:28:25

These relationships don't tend to last all that long.

Rachel: 02:28:29

So I feel like he kind of gave.

Rachel: 02:28:32

Gave a little thing away here where maybe like Buck is back on the, the dating horse or the hamster wheel or something like that, which I think will lead into some theories that we have.

Rachel: 02:28:44

And then Buck's.

Rachel: 02:28:47

Buck's story when we come back is more centered about what's going on with Eddie and what he's about to lose there.

Rachel: 02:28:52

And then he'll of course end up putting all of his anxieties and neediness.

Rachel: 02:28:56

He'll find something else besides baking to funnel that into.

Rachel: 02:28:59

So it's just there are multiple times that he says Eddie is dead serious.

Rachel: 02:29:05

Buck is spinning like a top.

Rachel: 02:29:07

He likes to blow it the hell up and, like, lots of blowing up and specific grenade mention.

Rachel: 02:29:14

And so I'm just like, why are you telling me all this?

Rachel: 02:29:18

And then he's all like, enjoy your three months of peace.

Rachel: 02:29:22

Is it really?

Rachel: 02:29:23

Is it?

Rachel: 02:29:24

No, I don't think I will.

Han: 02:29:26

I don't think he gets peace.

Sil: 02:29:28

So.

Sil: 02:29:29

Okay, you just left us in an asylum for real.

Han: 02:29:34

That's where he wants us.

Rachel: 02:29:35

They forgot to come and take us away.

Han: 02:29:38

Okay.

Han: 02:29:39

I guess.

Han: 02:29:39

Well, I guess this is a good transition into dual near death experience.

Rachel: 02:29:44

So this is our like.

Rachel: 02:29:45

Like our what if?

Rachel: 02:29:46

Kind of looking forward.

Rachel: 02:29:48

Our little Sherlock Cat moments.

Rachel: 02:29:52

Right.

Han: 02:29:52

You know, educated guesses, but also.

Sil: 02:29:55

And wishes.

Han: 02:29:56

Wishes.

Han: 02:29:56

Educated wishes and clown makeup sometimes.

Han: 02:29:59

So dual.

Han: 02:30:04

Dual near death experience.

Han: 02:30:07

Now I'm starting to think, is it gonna be with a grenade?

Rachel: 02:30:10

Yeah, I don't know.

Rachel: 02:30:15

There's something to it.

Han: 02:30:18

We have, like, the car couple might have been foreshadowing for a dual near death experience.

Rachel: 02:30:23

I kind of think so.

Han: 02:30:26

Where the man said, I'm not leaving.

Han: 02:30:28

Eddie took the place of him being a medic.

Han: 02:30:33

We keep seeing all these reminding us that he's a medic this entire season.

Rachel: 02:30:38

Yep.

Han: 02:30:39

They're like, in case you forgot, the.

Rachel: 02:30:40

Girl was also wearing red.

Rachel: 02:30:42

So that could have been either of them at this point.

Rachel: 02:30:45

I don't know.

Rachel: 02:30:46

I just thought there was something with, like, the car couple and the fact.

Sil: 02:30:51

That it was them saving them.

Rachel: 02:30:53

Yeah, yeah.

Rachel: 02:30:54

And that.

Rachel: 02:30:54

And that Eddie took the place inside the car I thought was, like, interesting.

Han: 02:30:58

So here's my specific wish.

Han: 02:31:01

We'll call it educated.

Han: 02:31:02

Sure.

Han: 02:31:04

Whatever circumstance they find themselves in, we're gonna assume they have time to talk because they're stuck.

Han: 02:31:09

They're trapped.

Han: 02:31:10

Right.

Han: 02:31:10

They can't get anywhere.

Han: 02:31:12

That's why, like.

Han: 02:31:13

And they could possibly die.

Han: 02:31:15

So I'm thinking that it's gonna be a fight where it parallels that conversation with Shannon that Sil brought up earlier.

Rachel: 02:31:24

Yeah.

Han: 02:31:25

Where Buck is like, you just.

Han: 02:31:28

You know how to really make decisions for people.

Han: 02:31:30

Think you always know what's best, and you don't even take into consideration what they want.

Han: 02:31:35

And.

Han: 02:31:36

And you'll be like, you.

Han: 02:31:38

You martyr yourself and then get angry when.

Han: 02:31:41

Blah, blah, blah.

Han: 02:31:42

Like, I just feel like it would be a fight.

Rachel: 02:31:44

You think you're expendable, but you're just.

Han: 02:31:47

Yeah, I just see them, like, fighting and like, with each.

Han: 02:31:50

With each, you know, turn, they get closer and closer and closer and then they kiss.

Rachel: 02:31:59

But, yeah, that would be like, such a perfect way for them.

Rachel: 02:32:03

Like, the.

Rachel: 02:32:03

The tension is ramped up.

Rachel: 02:32:05

They keep.

Rachel: 02:32:07

They're keeping them apart.

Rachel: 02:32:08

So, like, inevitably, when the pot that Buck's putting a lid on is going to come to a boil, like, they have to have some sort of, like, confrontation, communication.

Rachel: 02:32:19

That has to be the moment where they actually talk to each other.

Rachel: 02:32:23

And then just like, boom.

Rachel: 02:32:25

What have we talked about with, like, season two?

Rachel: 02:32:28

Like, boom, Explosion, chemistry.

Rachel: 02:32:31

The pressure.

Rachel: 02:32:32

The pressure.

Rachel: 02:32:33

This is season two all over again.

Han: 02:32:35

Alternatively, maybe they don't kiss.

Han: 02:32:37

Maybe Buck angrily confesses, oh, I don't.

Rachel: 02:32:43

Care what iteration it is, but, like, we need a confrontation with them.

Rachel: 02:32:48

We need it to parallel stuff with, like, the Shannon of it all this, like.

Rachel: 02:32:56

And then, like, previous conversations that they've had.

Sil: 02:33:00

Again, this is the season of, like, Buddy's greatest hits.

Sil: 02:33:03

They need to address all of those greatest hits.

Rachel: 02:33:06

And that would be like.

Han: 02:33:07

And their first greatest hit was when they were in a dual near death experience together in an ambulance.

Han: 02:33:14

They were literally grenade.

Rachel: 02:33:16

Yeah, they were literally sequestered into an ambulance, which is essentially like being locked in a storage closet.

Sil: 02:33:23

Right.

Sil: 02:33:23

Maybe we'll get real close.

Han: 02:33:25

Oh, and Eddie, that.

Han: 02:33:27

That gif that's going around making the rounds of Eddie with his hand on Bucks.

Rachel: 02:33:35

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:33:36

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Rachel: 02:33:40

Whatever it is.

Rachel: 02:33:41

It would just be just like, I'm num, num, num, num, num.

Rachel: 02:33:44

So, like, you ramp up the.

Rachel: 02:33:46

You ramp up the tension.

Rachel: 02:33:48

You.

Rachel: 02:33:48

You, like, raise the stakes, especially with, like, a near death experience sort of thing.

Rachel: 02:33:53

And it's just like, this is the angst, this is the longing, this is the slow burn that, like, is delicious.

Sil: 02:34:00

All about that yearning and all about.

Rachel: 02:34:02

That given to me in, like, 50 different.

Han: 02:34:05

Also, alternatively, we can do just a near death experience for one of them.

Sil: 02:34:10

Not too.

Rachel: 02:34:10

And the other has to save.

Han: 02:34:11

They are doing a lot of foreshadowing for possibly Buck.

Rachel: 02:34:15

Buck specifically.

Han: 02:34:17

Tell anyone you're dead and die.

Rachel: 02:34:20

Don't jump from three different episodes from three different people.

Sil: 02:34:24

Interesting.

Rachel: 02:34:25

Come on.

Rachel: 02:34:26

Oh, okay.

Rachel: 02:34:26

I was just gonna say this kind of brings us to the theory of, like, you know, even though the promo for the midseason premiere is about.

Rachel: 02:34:38

Is about, like, you know, it says they have, like, Maddie is being kidnapped.

Rachel: 02:34:43

There's a great theory that I am definitely subscribing to that.

Rachel: 02:34:48

Maybe it is multiple iterations, but, like, maybe it's not just Maddie.

Rachel: 02:34:54

Maybe it's Maddie and Buck.

Rachel: 02:34:55

Maybe it's only Buck getting kidnapped.

Rachel: 02:34:58

That would be real interesting.

Rachel: 02:35:00

Do you want to go into it first?

Han: 02:35:02

Yeah, yeah, I don't.

Han: 02:35:05

We.

Han: 02:35:05

We'll link the theory because I don't need to, like, really get into the Nitty gritty of it.

Han: 02:35:09

But basically, yeah, but basically I think, I mean this doesn't have to be related, but people are like, what if, what if Fuck goes on a date?

Rachel: 02:35:19

I kind of love this idea though.

Rachel: 02:35:20

I think that would tie so many things together.

Rachel: 02:35:23

Of like, that's great.

Rachel: 02:35:24

Buck like trying to.

Rachel: 02:35:26

Buck trying to, you know, explore himself and his sexuality a little more.

Han: 02:35:31

Oh, I forgot, sorry.

Han: 02:35:33

One of the biggest death foreshadowings for Buck is out of his own fucking mouth and masks in his monologue at the graveyard when he says, I can't imagine anything worse than going through life alone, except for maybe one thing.

Han: 02:35:49

Going through death alone.

Han: 02:35:51

So that, that's what leads me to believe that like even if Maddie is also abducted, like he's not going to be near her so he's going to.

Rachel: 02:35:59

Be alone or like, or like she might be used as bait.

Rachel: 02:36:04

Bait for him or something like that.

Rachel: 02:36:07

So yeah, I, I feel like if he went on a date with the serial killer because it looks like a woman that's abducting Maddie with like the tendril of hair, which I think I'm pretty sure is going to be the guest star.

Rachel: 02:36:22

Abigail Spencer.

Rachel: 02:36:23

Cuz she was announced as like a guest star and she's been in a lot of stuff.

Rachel: 02:36:27

So like they, they don't usually announce guest stars unless they're going to have like a fairly prominent role in the next like couple episodes.

Rachel: 02:36:36

So.

Rachel: 02:36:37

But to go back, if Buck were to go on a date with someone who ends up being like the serial killer, that would, that would kind of like two birds, one stone.

Rachel: 02:36:47

What Tim is saying about how Buck is like exploring things but also trying to like find a different like outlet but also something that doesn't last very long.

Rachel: 02:36:57

And the specifically these relationships which I, I think he probably like mis, like you know, is misdirecting to the.

Rachel: 02:37:04

Let me do.

Rachel: 02:37:05

Huh.

Han: 02:37:06

Is misdirecting to the.

Han: 02:37:07

Let Buck fuck a little bit.

Rachel: 02:37:09

But I, but I think he's also, I, I think he's also like, you know, alluding to that kind of thing because he said relationships.

Rachel: 02:37:16

I'm not sure he, he meant to say that, but I think that is definitely alluding to that hashtag, but I'm not sure he meant to like specify these relation relationships which is why we're thinking that like Buck is going to be on dates with people and stuff.

Rachel: 02:37:35

But that would.

Rachel: 02:37:36

And then that person ends up being the serial killer.

Rachel: 02:37:39

So of course it wouldn't last very long.

Rachel: 02:37:41

Right.

Han: 02:37:41

So.

Rachel: 02:37:42

And more abandonment issues.

Han: 02:37:43

The thing that I didn't notice because I was paying too much attention to that scene.

Han: 02:37:49

To the scene.

Han: 02:37:49

To the behind the scenes photo of Ryan in that white shirt with jeans.

Han: 02:37:53

And when we were all like, oh, my God, we're gonna get shooting.

Han: 02:37:56

Oh my God, we're gonna get the shooting.

Han: 02:37:57

He's in a fucking police station.

Han: 02:38:02

So that is leaning way into the theory that Buck is getting abducted.

Rachel: 02:38:07

And.

Rachel: 02:38:08

And also really interesting that neither Jennifer Love Hewitt or Oliver Stark were in that video from behind the scenes as well, which leads me to believe that they were not on set at that moment.

Rachel: 02:38:21

Which.

Rachel: 02:38:22

Where else would they be?

Rachel: 02:38:24

Unless they're in another location.

Rachel: 02:38:26

Their characters, maybe they have some makeup.

Sil: 02:38:29

That we can't really look at, which.

Rachel: 02:38:33

Like, I don't want Maddie to get kidnapped at all because, like, she's pregnant and she's been through enough.

Rachel: 02:38:38

And like, please know.

Han: 02:38:39

No, but like, it could.

Rachel: 02:38:40

Buck is.

Han: 02:38:40

But like, it could also be like a.

Han: 02:38:42

Like a Jonah.

Rachel: 02:38:43

Like a misdirect.

Han: 02:38:44

Like a Jonah.

Rachel: 02:38:46

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:38:47

Situation.

Han: 02:38:47

Hidden chimney, parallel kind of thing.

Rachel: 02:38:50

Which they also haven't done.

Han: 02:38:52

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:38:53

Either.

Rachel: 02:38:55

So that would be a really interesting parallel.

Han: 02:38:59

So.

Han: 02:38:59

Yeah.

Han: 02:38:59

I don't know.

Han: 02:39:00

I know that like, trust promos.

Han: 02:39:03

So, like, I'm not trying to throw my whole clown makeup car get up behind it.

Han: 02:39:08

But, like, I love it.

Rachel: 02:39:10

This is just what we're having fun with right now.

Han: 02:39:12

The dots are connecting.

Rachel: 02:39:13

We're connecting the dots.

Rachel: 02:39:16

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:39:16

And like, come on, blow something up.

Rachel: 02:39:19

And which.

Rachel: 02:39:20

Which would also, like, the whole Buck being kidnapped and stuff would be.

Rachel: 02:39:26

Would lead into like, the whole, like, his abandonment issues are gonna take front and center as well.

Rachel: 02:39:30

Whether he's.

Rachel: 02:39:31

Whether it's Maddie that gets abductive and.

Rachel: 02:39:34

And he's like trying.

Rachel: 02:39:36

And as.

Rachel: 02:39:37

As bait for him and he's trying to find her because he can't reach her.

Rachel: 02:39:41

Or the opposite where he's abducted and he thinks that no one may be looking for him or that.

Rachel: 02:39:48

Or that help isn't going to come.

Rachel: 02:39:50

Oh, my God.

Rachel: 02:39:51

What if it like, oh, my God, what if it relates to Help is Not Coming Season two Episode three in which case that might have some.

Rachel: 02:40:02

Maybe.

Rachel: 02:40:02

Maybe Eddie helps come to the rescue because, like, Buck and Eddie were in the.

Rachel: 02:40:07

The hotel and with the earthquake and for that one.

Sil: 02:40:10

I don't know, I was just.

Sil: 02:40:11

I was just thinking about, like, how.

Sil: 02:40:13

How.

Sil: 02:40:15

Because, okay, we just got like a weird.

Sil: 02:40:18

We.

Sil: 02:40:19

We got a look from Buck that was like, oh, there are some feelings that I can't explore right now because I'm trying to be supportive.

Sil: 02:40:25

And then I'm thinking about, like, if Buck is the one that's getting abducted and, you know, Eddie eventually learns about it, like, why is it like.

Sil: 02:40:34

Like, maybe we can get like another.

Sil: 02:40:36

Like, obviously not feelings realization, but, like some kind of realization.

Sil: 02:40:39

A different kind of, like.

Sil: 02:40:42

Like a different kind of reaction.

Sil: 02:40:44

Like, you know what I mean?

Sil: 02:40:47

That could pave the way to, well, where we want to go.

Rachel: 02:40:52

I like your funny words, Magic.

Han: 02:40:54

I also think it'll be nice timing if, like, Eddie was supposed to be on his way to Texas when this happens.

Han: 02:41:01

And that's why Buck really thinks that no help is coming.

Rachel: 02:41:05

Oh, that's dastardly.

Sil: 02:41:07

Oh, that's evil.

Rachel: 02:41:09

But I love it.

Han: 02:41:10

You know, they call him and he turns around, like, immediately and like, yeah.

Sil: 02:41:15

He'S like at the airport and he's like.

Sil: 02:41:16

He gets a call and he's like, I got.

Rachel: 02:41:18

It's giving.

Rachel: 02:41:19

I got off the plane.

Rachel: 02:41:20

Right?

Rachel: 02:41:22

Oh, gosh.

Sil: 02:41:24

I'm just saying, guys write the fake.

Sil: 02:41:26

You got three months.

Rachel: 02:41:28

Oh, so sad.

Rachel: 02:41:31

Refreshing my AO3.

Han: 02:41:32

Like, oh, my God.

Han: 02:41:32

Constantly.

Rachel: 02:41:33

Every hour.

Han: 02:41:34

I have so many tabs open right now.

Han: 02:41:37

Oh, yeah.

Rachel: 02:41:38

I keep.

Rachel: 02:41:38

I keep just like opening new ones every time I see, like, people are cooking and like, continue.

Rachel: 02:41:43

I love it.

Han: 02:41:44

We love.

Rachel: 02:41:45

We're eating.

Rachel: 02:41:47

So, like, that's the week immediately following the episode.

Rachel: 02:41:53

Kind of like what we're thinking.

Rachel: 02:41:56

I'm sure there will be more theories that we'll come up with and play around with, but that's a lot to chew on for a while.

Rachel: 02:42:05

So I think we'll be pretty set during these three months.

Rachel: 02:42:10

100 something plus days.

Sil: 02:42:12

I'm saying 100.

Rachel: 02:42:16

We need a countdown.

Sil: 02:42:17

I want to know about the days.

Han: 02:42:19

I want to know about the month's doing a countdown.

Han: 02:42:21

We don't need to do a week.

Han: 02:42:22

Just fine.

Rachel: 02:42:23

I know he usually starts at like 70 something.

Han: 02:42:26

I think he said he needed at least a week.

Han: 02:42:29

I saw him tell something earlier.

Rachel: 02:42:31

Good.

Rachel: 02:42:32

Keeping us all together.

Rachel: 02:42:35

Bless.

Rachel: 02:42:37

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:42:37

So I'm excited to see what else will be cooking up, like, fandom as a whole.

Rachel: 02:42:44

Like, during this hiatus.

Rachel: 02:42:46

It's.

Rachel: 02:42:47

I feel like it's going to be different than the summer hiatus, which was horny.

Han: 02:42:52

This is going to be angsty.

Han: 02:42:54

I'm excited.

Han: 02:42:55

Why not both?

Rachel: 02:42:56

That's such a great balance though, right?

Sil: 02:43:00

I'm here for Winter of Angst.

Rachel: 02:43:03

Listen for Que no las dos.

Rachel: 02:43:05

Right.

Rachel: 02:43:06

Why not both or all of the cookies?

Sil: 02:43:09

It's the best answer we had.

Sil: 02:43:11

Fucking the Tommy of it all in the summer.

Sil: 02:43:15

So we needed to go into book fidelity.

Sil: 02:43:17

Because I remember we hated the idea at first.

Sil: 02:43:19

And they were like, you know what?

Sil: 02:43:20

We're like, I need that man.

Han: 02:43:22

Fuck this, man.

Han: 02:43:23

I mean, don't we need that?

Han: 02:43:24

Fuck him over.

Han: 02:43:25

Thank you.

Sil: 02:43:26

Need that.

Sil: 02:43:26

Need that man.

Sil: 02:43:27

Gone, boy.

Sil: 02:43:30

Bye now.

Sil: 02:43:33

We're here.

Sil: 02:43:35

Winter of Angst.

Rachel: 02:43:36

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:43:37

And it's either like the 806 CODAs or the 808 CODAs, which are also vastly different.

Han: 02:43:44

My brain just went, what are we.

Han: 02:43:46

How do you shorten winter of Angst?

Han: 02:43:50

Wangst.

Rachel: 02:43:51

You know, it does the trick.

Sil: 02:43:54

Anyway, I'm here for the winter.

Sil: 02:43:56

I'm here for the.

Rachel: 02:43:57

I'm here for winter of Angst.

Sil: 02:43:59

I'm here for the wang.

Sil: 02:44:02

Because I really do need.

Sil: 02:44:03

But that's my point.

Sil: 02:44:04

I really need angst, though.

Sil: 02:44:06

Shut up.

Sil: 02:44:07

Winter of Angst.

Sil: 02:44:08

I'm here.

Rachel: 02:44:09

Now we have to call it that.

Sil: 02:44:12

I'm here for the winter of Angst because I was getting.

Sil: 02:44:16

I just really needed some really good buddy angst that wasn't, like, tied to that man.

Sil: 02:44:23

I was getting sick of that, man.

Rachel: 02:44:25

Just, like, pure, you know, Pure.

Sil: 02:44:29

Just the two of them.

Sil: 02:44:30

Angst, yearning and, like, high stakes.

Sil: 02:44:35

I need that right now.

Rachel: 02:44:36

It's the perfect setup.

Han: 02:44:38

It is.

Rachel: 02:44:39

This is.

Rachel: 02:44:39

This is good storytelling.

Han: 02:44:41

This is the shit we love.

Rachel: 02:44:43

Seems like everybody else is on board with it, too, so.

Rachel: 02:44:46

That's always nice.

Han: 02:44:48

That's nice.

Han: 02:44:48

When we all get along.

Han: 02:44:50

Can't we all be buddies?

Sil: 02:44:52

Can't we all get along for these?

Sil: 02:44:55

For the holidays?

Sil: 02:44:56

Please.

Rachel: 02:44:57

Please.

Sil: 02:44:58

It's my.

Sil: 02:44:59

My request from fandom.

Rachel: 02:45:01

Your wish.

Han: 02:45:02

All we want for Christmas is your Christmas wish.

Han: 02:45:04

No fandom wars.

Han: 02:45:05

Thank you.

Sil: 02:45:06

Yes.

Sil: 02:45:06

Especially the internal ones.

Sil: 02:45:09

The external one was fine, but we're done with him.

Han: 02:45:12

Yeah.

Han: 02:45:12

No.

Han: 02:45:12

Yeah, we're done with him.

Han: 02:45:13

No worry inside.

Han: 02:45:15

No inside factions.

Rachel: 02:45:17

That's not going to be possible.

Sil: 02:45:19

Oh, it's happening.

Sil: 02:45:20

That's why I'm saying it.

Han: 02:45:21

I know.

Rachel: 02:45:22

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:45:23

Can't wait until we come back.

Han: 02:45:27

I can't wait to see how they're gonna torture Buck and Eddie.

Han: 02:45:31

But, like, mostly Buck, because he seems like he, like, is being really evil to him, like, specifically.

Han: 02:45:36

I mean, like always, because he is like.

Han: 02:45:39

I know it's an ensemble show, but the show is told from his point of view the most.

Han: 02:45:44

He is the main protagonist.

Han: 02:45:45

It's how we're introduced to the show.

Han: 02:45:47

He has the most shit happening.

Rachel: 02:45:50

Yeah.

Han: 02:45:51

He's the favorite punching bag.

Han: 02:45:53

Yeah.

Rachel: 02:45:54

That's the thing.

Sil: 02:45:55

And it's also because, like, season seven, we didn't really give him any.

Sil: 02:45:59

Like, that's high stakes.

Rachel: 02:46:00

Exactly.

Han: 02:46:01

Now he's paying for it.

Rachel: 02:46:02

Mm.

Rachel: 02:46:03

Comes as a price.

Rachel: 02:46:04

Anyways.

Sil: 02:46:05

Oh, we're done.

Rachel: 02:46:07

Remember, don't move to Texas.

Han: 02:46:09

But if you do, take a buddy with you.

Han: 02:46:12

Thank you for listening to the Buddy System podcast from start to finish.

Sil: 02:46:16

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Rachel: 02:46:23

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Han: 02:46:31

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Han: 02:46:36

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Sil: 02:46:41

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Sil: 02:46:43

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Rachel: 02:46:47

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Rachel: 02:46:49

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