A Very 9-1-1 Swiftsgiving

Han: 00:00:01

Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?

Syl: 00:00:05

A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.

Rachel: 00:00:10

This is the Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DM'd each other enough character dissertations to earn a PhD in media literacy.

Han: 00:00:22

I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.

Syl: 00:00:25

I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.

Rachel: 00:00:28

And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.

Han: 00:00:31

With our powers combined, no stone is.

Rachel: 00:00:34

Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.

Rachel: 00:00:40

Welcome to the Buddy System.

Syl: 00:00:42

Taylor's version.

Han: 00:00:43

This is our first of three holiday specials where we're going to be talking about our favorite 911 characters and how the albums and songs relate to them.

Rachel: 00:00:54

So the characters that we've chosen, because we have 11, the characters that we're going to be attributing to each album is between Bobby, Athena, Buck, Eddie, Hen, Chimney, Maddie, Karen, May, Josh, and Robbie.

Rachel: 00:01:10

So we had to, you know, sneak a couple of our more supporting characters.

Han: 00:01:14

In here who we wish were mans.

Rachel: 00:01:16

Yes.

Rachel: 00:01:17

Like so much.

Han: 00:01:18

May used to be a man.

Rachel: 00:01:19

I know.

Rachel: 00:01:20

I miss her.

Rachel: 00:01:21

I know so much.

Han: 00:01:22

And I miss.

Han: 00:01:23

Bring Ravi back.

Han: 00:01:25

Bring Ravi home, Give Josh storylines.

Rachel: 00:01:28

Give Josh a storyline.

Rachel: 00:01:30

Bring Rav home, bring May back in and give Karen peace.

Han: 00:01:35

Yeah, pretty much.

Rachel: 00:01:36

Anyways, that is our plea.

Han: 00:01:38

We're trying to manifest it right now.

Han: 00:01:40

You know, we're giving.

Han: 00:01:40

We're assigning them Taylor Swift albums, we're giving them importance, putting it out in the universe.

Han: 00:01:47

I know that you all know that we are obsessed with 911.

Rachel: 00:01:52

What?

Rachel: 00:01:52

Shocking.

Han: 00:01:53

But I bet you didn't know, or maybe you just assumed about all of our titles.

Rachel: 00:01:58

If you haven't caught on by now.

Han: 00:02:02

It should not come as a surprise, actually, that we are big Taylor Swift fans.

Han: 00:02:07

So something that we have been wanting to do since the beginning is to assign the.

Han: 00:02:14

All the Taylor Swift songs to characters.

Han: 00:02:16

But first, we're going to, in this episode, talk about which album each character is.

Han: 00:02:22

And we're not doing it in a traditional way of where you would be like, let me look at the lyrics and let me see how overall, who has the most songs.

Han: 00:02:30

No, we're just going by vibes strictly in this one.

Rachel: 00:02:32

Pure vibes.

Han: 00:02:33

Pure vibes.

Rachel: 00:02:34

Very similar objective.

Han: 00:02:35

This is not very scientific in this one.

Syl: 00:02:37

Speak for yourself.

Han: 00:02:39

Okay, yeah, sorry.

Han: 00:02:40

S did a lot of homework on this before.

Han: 00:02:42

I was like, actually, you don't have to listen.

Syl: 00:02:47

Just.

Syl: 00:02:48

Just know that my choices are really just half based on vibes and half.

Syl: 00:02:53

Maybe I did look at some lyrics, so that's valid.

Syl: 00:02:57

So it's two different methods, like, a.

Rachel: 00:02:59

Little cocktail of vibes and, like, totally not, like, supportable and things that can be supportive.

Rachel: 00:03:09

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:03:09

Like, some of them I have reasons, and some of them I'm just, like.

Rachel: 00:03:12

I just vibe this way.

Han: 00:03:15

I mean, I have reasons.

Han: 00:03:17

Are the reasons canonical?

Han: 00:03:19

Are the reasons anything I can point to or just things I made up in my head?

Han: 00:03:24

Who knows?

Syl: 00:03:24

Or were they inspired by fanfic?

Han: 00:03:27

Possibly that too.

Rachel: 00:03:28

Actually.

Han: 00:03:29

I don't actually remember any specific.

Han: 00:03:31

Like, I know that, like, Taylor Swift has come up a lot in fanfiction.

Han: 00:03:36

It's normally Buck, who is the Swiftie, but I can't remember, like, him being, like, leaning towards one album or another.

Han: 00:03:45

But anyway, I think mine are also gonna come with a secret neurodivergent in parentheses.

Han: 00:03:50

It could also be this character.

Rachel: 00:03:54

Because you can't choose.

Han: 00:03:55

Yeah, because I can't choose for a couple of these.

Han: 00:03:58

It was.

Rachel: 00:03:59

It was very difficult because we have.

Rachel: 00:04:00

So we have 11 albums, right.

Rachel: 00:04:03

So we had to choose 11 characters.

Rachel: 00:04:04

So we have, like, our main.

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Like, We've Got the Fire fam.

Rachel: 00:04:07

And then we had to kind of, like, pick and choose who else are we going to include.

Rachel: 00:04:10

And some of these were really hard just because, like, you know, for some more of our, like, characters and supporting roles, we don't know as much about them as we would like to.

Rachel: 00:04:22

So it was a little difficult to just kind of be like, okay, they fit here.

Rachel: 00:04:27

And it was a little, like, process of elimination sort of thing.

Rachel: 00:04:32

Like, whether we started with those characters literally, like.

Rachel: 00:04:36

Or, like, what's the.

Rachel: 00:04:37

What's the obvious ones that jump out to us sort of thing.

Han: 00:04:40

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:04:40

And go from there.

Rachel: 00:04:41

I know we were talking about it last night, and Syl and I were continuing to talk about it, and it was like, do.

Rachel: 00:04:48

I was, like, going back and forth between, like, two or three.

Rachel: 00:04:52

I was just like, does it go here?

Rachel: 00:04:53

Does it go there?

Rachel: 00:04:55

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:04:56

It's not that big a deal.

Rachel: 00:04:57

But it was just fun.

Han: 00:04:58

I moved most of these around, like, three times.

Syl: 00:05:03

This was, like, the worst matching test I've ever had to take.

Syl: 00:05:06

And I took it very seriously.

Syl: 00:05:09

In a little match by the letters and the number thing you did, you.

Rachel: 00:05:13

Were very organized, very studious.

Rachel: 00:05:15

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:05:16

I was very impressed.

Rachel: 00:05:18

I was like, ooh, Scylla knows what she's doing.

Han: 00:05:20

So this one's just a bit of just silly, goofy fun for the most part.

Han: 00:05:24

But when we're gonna talk about individual.

Han: 00:05:26

So that's where, I mean, I think we're all very serious about that.

Han: 00:05:30

And we've been waiting.

Han: 00:05:32

Like, normally I would, like, be going through, when I get into a show or a movie, whatever, when I get obsessive with characters, I go through Taylor Swift's discography and my other favorite artist and sign songs to playlists.

Han: 00:05:48

Two characters.

Han: 00:05:49

And I've been holding off on doing that for these episodes, so super excited to finally be getting around to that and pieces.

Rachel: 00:05:57

I think with those, like, individual albums where we're really going through the track list, you'll see a lot more of our, like, typical, you know, deep diving analytical into, like, character analysis.

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Character analysis.

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And this one is just a little more, like, chilled out, silly goofy.

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I mean, when are we not silly goofy?

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Let's be so real.

Rachel: 00:06:18

But.

Han: 00:06:19

And this is.

Han: 00:06:20

This is our Thanksgiving episode.

Han: 00:06:21

So we're not trying to, like, bring more drama to your dinner table.

Rachel: 00:06:24

You know, just light hearted.

Han: 00:06:27

No more family fights than you already have.

Syl: 00:06:30

Unless they're gonna fight us.

Han: 00:06:32

I mean, this wouldn't be a fight.

Han: 00:06:35

Like, I think I'm open to ideas for all of these.

Han: 00:06:37

Yeah, I mean, I'm always open to hearing your ideas.

Han: 00:06:40

I probably won't agree with you, but please do come talk to us about, like, your thoughts on who you think is which album, because absolutely.

Han: 00:06:50

We are, like, weirdly invested in this kind of stuff.

Rachel: 00:06:53

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:06:53

Like, really tell us which characters, which album to you based on your interpretations, your vibes.

Rachel: 00:07:00

It's.

Rachel: 00:07:00

It's all fun here.

Han: 00:07:02

Should we start?

Rachel: 00:07:03

I think so.

Rachel: 00:07:04

I'm excited.

Han: 00:07:05

Me too.

Han: 00:07:06

Oh, my God.

Han: 00:07:07

This is like our first, like, actual special.

Rachel: 00:07:10

Like, not talking about an episode special.

Han: 00:07:13

Yeah, not talking about, like, episodes or the season as a whole.

Han: 00:07:18

Like, so exciting to be a little loosey goosey.

Han: 00:07:22

Also a little nerve wracking.

Han: 00:07:26

But I don't have a roadmap.

Rachel: 00:07:28

We're winging it a little bit.

Han: 00:07:30

But it's fine.

Rachel: 00:07:32

We have confidence.

Rachel: 00:07:33

I have confidence enough for all of us.

Han: 00:07:35

That's good.

Han: 00:07:36

Someone should.

Rachel: 00:07:37

I got you.

Han: 00:07:38

So actually, before we get into this really quick, what album are you guys?

Han: 00:07:46

What album are we?

Rachel: 00:07:48

I'm not prepared.

Syl: 00:07:50

That's not a good question right now.

Rachel: 00:07:53

Oh, it kind of depends on what day you ask.

Rachel: 00:07:58

Right?

Han: 00:07:59

You can pick two.

Han: 00:08:00

Because I have two.

Rachel: 00:08:02

Okay.

Rachel: 00:08:04

Ooh.

Rachel: 00:08:05

So interesting because, like, sometimes I'm like, yes, I'm absolutely this one.

Rachel: 00:08:09

And then other times I'm like, am I though?

Rachel: 00:08:12

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:08:13

I have to think, hey, and if okay, since you sprung this on Quintessential, why don't you give us a quintessential.

Han: 00:08:22

Of my personality in general?

Han: 00:08:27

Red Red, I think, is a big one for sure.

Han: 00:08:31

But also Evermore, which was a sleeper hit for me.

Han: 00:08:36

I was so obsessed with Folklore, and Evermore kind of like flew under the radar for a little bit.

Rachel: 00:08:41

What made it jump so high?

Han: 00:08:43

Actually listening to it on repeat, because I think I only listened to it a couple times when it came out and then really liked a couple of the songs, but didn't, you know, memorize everything like I normally do.

Han: 00:08:55

So then when I finally got into it, I was like, oh, so I'm.

Syl: 00:08:59

One of those people who really actually like, you know, I've always listened to, like, the hit singles for Taylor Swift, but the album that I actually listened to for the first time fully through was Folklore, so it's going to be that.

Syl: 00:09:14

But my second one, I feel like, based on Vibes.

Syl: 00:09:19

Based on vibes, Reputation.

Syl: 00:09:21

But I don't think all of the songs there actually fit.

Han: 00:09:24

Doesn't have to be this is overall album, you know, it's like, what era are you?

Syl: 00:09:29

I don't know.

Syl: 00:09:30

Vibes also.

Syl: 00:09:31

I don't know.

Syl: 00:09:32

I actually don't know.

Syl: 00:09:33

It's like between Reputation, Red, I think a little bit of speak now, but number one really is Folklore.

Han: 00:09:42

I don't think I knew that you were a folklore girly, really, that little bit of solo.

Han: 00:09:46

I'm pretty sure that I did not.

Syl: 00:09:49

Like you were there.

Han: 00:09:52

I mean, I think you all were there.

Han: 00:09:54

It's great that you think that I have a good memory, because I surely don't.

Syl: 00:09:59

I mean, it was four years ago when it came out, so, I mean.

Han: 00:10:02

Oh.

Han: 00:10:02

I mean, I do remember us getting really into the album, but I didn't know that it was like, that's the one album for you.

Syl: 00:10:08

Well, it was because.

Syl: 00:10:09

So, like, you know, growing up in high school, it's like you either love Taylor Swift or you hate Taylor Swift.

Syl: 00:10:15

So I was friends with a group of people that did not really like or care for Taylor Swift, so.

Syl: 00:10:22

So it was kind of like I had to be in the closet.

Rachel: 00:10:28

Not the Taylor Swift closet.

Han: 00:10:32

I mean, I.

Han: 00:10:33

So Taylor Swift is.

Han: 00:10:36

Her and I are from very close together.

Han: 00:10:39

Like, her hometown is like half an hour from my hometown, and she's only like two years younger than me, so I was not listening.

Han: 00:10:48

Taylor Swift was not playing in high school.

Han: 00:10:51

Yeah, for me.

Han: 00:10:53

So when she came out her debut album, I was working in retail and Teardrops on my Guitar made me hate this woman for years because it was just on repeat.

Rachel: 00:11:07

Oh, I mean, that's understandable.

Han: 00:11:09

Yeah.

Han: 00:11:10

Yeah.

Han: 00:11:10

And then also, you know, like, I am an emo hipster, so I had to be.

Han: 00:11:16

If it wasn't pop music that, like, I grew up with, I wasn't super getting into it unless it was, like, stuff that I was, like, you know, out and I was, like, dancing to.

Han: 00:11:25

So I had to have a friend be like, okay.

Han: 00:11:27

You actually need to listen to Taylor Swift, though, and made me get into, like, a handful of her songs and started with you Belong with me.

Syl: 00:11:36

Oh.

Han: 00:11:36

But I didn't listen and get into her, like, for real, with a full album and, like, start descending into the madness of, like, listening to everything, learning everything, learning about the lore, learning about, you know, everything that General Swifty does until Lover.

Han: 00:11:55

That was my first album, which I think is a highly underrated album.

Rachel: 00:12:00

Yeah, I think so.

Han: 00:12:01

Rachel, you've had time to think.

Rachel: 00:12:03

Okay, so I think if I were in era, like, I'm not.

Rachel: 00:12:08

I'm not sure that, like, because I don't tend to listen to it all the way through, like, Taylor's version, like, everything.

Rachel: 00:12:15

But I think if I were in ERA, I would be fearless ERA.

Han: 00:12:18

Duh.

Han: 00:12:19

I could have told you that 10 minutes ago.

Rachel: 00:12:22

I know.

Rachel: 00:12:22

But I was just, like.

Rachel: 00:12:23

I had to feel it in my heart, which may, like, track.

Rachel: 00:12:30

Yeah, I.

Rachel: 00:12:31

I feel like, just, like, the.

Rachel: 00:12:33

The vibe of the Fearless era.

Rachel: 00:12:35

I'm like, yeah, that's.

Rachel: 00:12:37

That's probably a little.

Rachel: 00:12:38

A little.

Rachel: 00:12:39

Little bit of me.

Han: 00:12:40

I feel like it's her most optimistic album.

Rachel: 00:12:44

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:12:44

That's why.

Han: 00:12:45

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:12:46

e most is either midnights or: 1989

Syl: 00:12:54

I love: 1989

Han: 00:12:55

1989 is a good second choice for you, I think.

Han: 00:12:58

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:12:58

Thank you.

Rachel: 00:12:59

And it was like, I've listened to Taylor Swift for, like, a long, long time.

Rachel: 00:13:01

ll off between, like, red and: 1989

Rachel: 00:13:09

But then I got back into it, like, with Reputation and everything.

Rachel: 00:13:13

So it was.

Rachel: 00:13:13

I mean, honestly, it wasn't that very long that I was, like, on the outs.

Rachel: 00:13:16

I still knew everything, but so, like, I.

Rachel: 00:13:18

have as much appreciation for: 1989

Rachel: 00:13:26

And then I was like, wait, all of these songs are a bop?

Rachel: 00:13:31

Yeah, I think.

Rachel: 00:13:32

I think Fearless,: 1989

Han: 00:13:35

Are our albums, and I think that we should talk about what characters are which albums?

Han: 00:13:40

That's what we came here to do.

Han: 00:13:42

So let's just go.

Han: 00:13:43

We'll go in order from release order.

Han: 00:13:46

Release order and start with Debut.

Rachel: 00:13:51

Taylor Swift.

Rachel: 00:13:55

If I do that for every one of those, are you going to be annoyed with me?

Han: 00:13:59

No.

Han: 00:13:59

Okay, so let's debut the series.

Han: 00:14:06

Off with debut.

Rachel: 00:14:08

I put this as Josh.

Syl: 00:14:11

I also put this as Josh.

Rachel: 00:14:13

I think I saw Sil.

Rachel: 00:14:15

You put him in for.

Rachel: 00:14:17

For debut at first, and I was like, wait, why do I kind of love that?

Syl: 00:14:23

So my thought process was so, okay, so this is one of those choices that I did not go really off as Vibes, you know, full disclaimer.

Syl: 00:14:32

It was kind of more or less how I'm sorting these characters in their albums.

Syl: 00:14:37

Like, the other half of my process, not the Vibes really was kind of like, what.

Syl: 00:14:43

What were their storylines?

Syl: 00:14:45

So I did look at some of the lyrics.

Syl: 00:14:47

That storyline where he dated someone, that one guy who ended up being like, that took over, like, this.

Syl: 00:14:56

The dispatch center.

Syl: 00:14:58

I don't remember his name.

Han: 00:14:59

Oh, the con.

Syl: 00:15:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Han: 00:15:02

I just watched that episode.

Rachel: 00:15:05

What was his name?

Han: 00:15:06

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:15:07

He was just.

Rachel: 00:15:08

Just the bad guy.

Syl: 00:15:10

Okay.

Syl: 00:15:10

So I feel like Debut has a lot of, like, maybe wanting to be in a relationship or observing other people's relationships, and then there's some naivety in there.

Syl: 00:15:20

And then you have some.

Syl: 00:15:21

Some songs in there.

Syl: 00:15:22

Like, well, I'll let Rachel explain that one better than me.

Syl: 00:15:26

But there's some songs in there that I was just kind of like, yeah, I'm just gonna put him in here.

Rachel: 00:15:31

Yeah, I think.

Rachel: 00:15:32

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:15:32

And again, we're not doing, like, the.

Rachel: 00:15:35

All of, like, the.

Rachel: 00:15:36

All of the track listing, but I was just like, you know, some.

Rachel: 00:15:40

Sometimes things just jump out to me.

Rachel: 00:15:41

And I was like, the Picture To Burn gay version is absolutely a Josh, like, kind of vibe.

Rachel: 00:15:51

Like, sometimes.

Rachel: 00:15:53

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:15:53

I just thought that was really funny.

Han: 00:15:55

That song is actually 10 times funnier if you think of it from the point of view of a gay man.

Rachel: 00:16:00

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:16:01

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:16:01

So I'm just like, Josh would absolutely, like, sing Picture to Burn, but, like, the redacted version, gay people get to.

Han: 00:16:11

Say the redacted version.

Han: 00:16:14

I'll make the rules.

Rachel: 00:16:15

He.

Rachel: 00:16:16

Yeah, he would.

Rachel: 00:16:17

So, like, that, I think, was a major factor in, like, the vibe of that to me, because that's just.

Rachel: 00:16:23

That's just like, Josh's kind of, like, a little bit of cattiness, you know, like when he went a little bit with Eddie and It was just like.

Rachel: 00:16:34

Oh, just.

Rachel: 00:16:35

Just a little.

Rachel: 00:16:36

Just a little.

Syl: 00:16:37

The gay on gay violence.

Rachel: 00:16:38

Yeah, that's it.

Rachel: 00:16:41

I love Josh so much, though, and I.

Rachel: 00:16:44

I feel like there is a lot of like, youthfulness here, but.

Rachel: 00:16:49

But a little like kind of like yearning a little on.

Rachel: 00:16:53

On the outside, I guess, which is one of the songs, like, not as folded in, but.

Rachel: 00:16:59

But still like, you know, wanting to.

Rachel: 00:17:02

To experience everything.

Rachel: 00:17:04

And to me, that just felt like Josh.

Syl: 00:17:08

And also just.

Syl: 00:17:09

Just give the man a boyfriend.

Syl: 00:17:10

Already a good one.

Syl: 00:17:12

Please.

Han: 00:17:12

Give him a storyline where he actually gets to like, do something happy.

Han: 00:17:16

Because every storyline he's ever had, they just torture him.

Rachel: 00:17:20

Yeah, enough of that.

Rachel: 00:17:21

Give Josh some happiness.

Han: 00:17:24

So those are.

Han: 00:17:25

Those are very valid points.

Han: 00:17:27

I, however, assigned debut to Bobby.

Han: 00:17:30

This is a pure vibes.

Han: 00:17:33

So like, the way that I did these album sorts is really all over the place because I was either doing like, pure vibes and being like what I think the characters listen to based on a myriad of reasons, but also some of them.

Han: 00:17:49

I was like.

Han: 00:17:50

All of these songs are about them, so this one is more.

Han: 00:17:54

I think this is what he listens to and I think this is what he listens to.

Han: 00:17:59

I could see, first of all, because he is a Minnesota boy and I think he actually likes some more country music.

Han: 00:18:06

And I also think that.

Han: 00:18:08

Sorry to bring down the mood a little bit, but I also think that this reminds him of his family because he had a little girl and I believe the ears match up for her to have been into Taylor Swift.

Han: 00:18:23

So.

Rachel: 00:18:24

Wow.

Rachel: 00:18:25

You just.

Han: 00:18:25

And being a certified girl dad.

Han: 00:18:28

Being a certified girl dad, you know, would have known all of the words and sang it with her, like how they drove to school or whatever.

Han: 00:18:36

So that's how I thought about it.

Rachel: 00:18:38

You know what that, like, imagery is giving.

Rachel: 00:18:40

It's giving from the bear, the God.

Rachel: 00:18:45

I forget.

Rachel: 00:18:46

I forget the characters.

Han: 00:18:47

I haven't watched the second season, but I know what scene you're talking about.

Han: 00:18:51

Yeah, yeah.

Rachel: 00:18:52

Where I forget the name of the character, but it's.

Rachel: 00:18:55

It's Cousin, not Carmi.

Rachel: 00:18:58

And he's just like in his car and he's like scream singing to Taylor Swift.

Rachel: 00:19:04

I think it's.

Rachel: 00:19:05

I think it's.

Rachel: 00:19:06

Love Story.

Han: 00:19:07

It might be.

Han: 00:19:08

We'll also.

Han: 00:19:08

Have you guys seen the Brian Gosling stunt movie?

Han: 00:19:11

What the fuck is it called?

Syl: 00:19:12

Fall Guy.

Syl: 00:19:13

I have not seen it.

Rachel: 00:19:14

I won't know.

Rachel: 00:19:14

I haven't.

Han: 00:19:15

Do you know about the scene where he is?

Syl: 00:19:18

Is it all too well?

Han: 00:19:19

Yeah, like cry singing all too well.

Rachel: 00:19:22

Yeah.

Han: 00:19:22

I feel like that cinema.

Han: 00:19:24

Yeah.

Han: 00:19:24

It's giving that.

Rachel: 00:19:25

I feel like I could really see Bobby just kind of, like, you know, busting out, like, the cd.

Han: 00:19:31

I feel like he could.

Han: 00:19:32

Yeah.

Han: 00:19:32

And I feel like he couldn't listen to it for a really long time.

Han: 00:19:34

And now I think he probably, like, goes out on, you know, little drives or hikes by himself and listens to it.

Rachel: 00:19:43

I love that.

Han: 00:19:44

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:19:45

That's so cute.

Han: 00:19:45

So that's my super canonical, not made up reasons for why Bobby is debut.

Rachel: 00:19:53

Oh, I love that.

Rachel: 00:19:54

I like these answers so far.

Rachel: 00:19:56

It's kind of funny.

Rachel: 00:19:57

It's like.

Rachel: 00:19:58

It's a fun mishmash of weird reasons.

Han: 00:20:02

Whatever we want.

Rachel: 00:20:04

Yeah.

Han: 00:20:04

We're making the rules.

Rachel: 00:20:06

Because we're in charge.

Rachel: 00:20:07

We're making the rules.

Rachel: 00:20:08

It's because we say so, but, like, it's fine.

Han: 00:20:14

Should we move on to Fearless?

Rachel: 00:20:16

Fearless.

Rachel: 00:20:18

I told you I'll do it every time.

Rachel: 00:20:21

It won't sound perfect, but.

Han: 00:20:23

Too slow.

Rachel: 00:20:25

Oh, Fearless.

Syl: 00:20:27

Okay, so I picked Maddie for Fearless.

Syl: 00:20:31

So this one was off of Vibes, but then I kind of, like, digged because.

Syl: 00:20:36

Okay, so Fearless isn't really, like, the album that I really listened to or really cared for.

Syl: 00:20:41

I feel like I'm going to get roasted.

Han: 00:20:44

It's your opinion.

Rachel: 00:20:45

You're allowed to have an opinion.

Han: 00:20:47

It's not my cup of tea.

Han: 00:20:49

Like, I like some songs off of here a lot, but, like, I don't listen to this album the whole way through, like, literally ever or debut.

Syl: 00:20:58

So.

Syl: 00:20:58

Yeah.

Syl: 00:20:59

And that's.

Syl: 00:20:59

And that's it.

Syl: 00:21:00

Right?

Syl: 00:21:00

So, like, I had to listen to some of the songs on here that aren't, like, the radio hits, like, you Belong with Me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Syl: 00:21:07

What a story of us.

Syl: 00:21:08

No, that's the story of us in here.

Syl: 00:21:11

Speak now.

Syl: 00:21:12

Sorry.

Syl: 00:21:12

So you.

Syl: 00:21:13

Whatever.

Rachel: 00:21:14

Doesn't matter.

Han: 00:21:15

This one has 15 and love story and White Horse.

Syl: 00:21:19

Right.

Han: 00:21:20

Like, pretty much the beginning of the album is, like, where the hits are.

Syl: 00:21:23

Mm.

Syl: 00:21:24

So they're.

Han: 00:21:25

The Way I loved you is on here, though, which is one of my favorites.

Syl: 00:21:29

So, like, there were some songs that I gravitated.

Syl: 00:21:32

Gravitated towards, which was like, tell me why?

Syl: 00:21:36

And I think the other one was, you're not sorry.

Syl: 00:21:41

And I was like.

Syl: 00:21:42

So a lot of it was like, Maddie and her situation with Doug.

Syl: 00:21:47

And then I was also kind of looking at, like, what Taylor said about the albums and she.

Syl: 00:21:54

And I guess, like, the title of the album specifically.

Syl: 00:21:57

And she was like, oh, well, Fearless isn't about being fearless.

Syl: 00:22:01

It's about having all of those fears and navigating So I feel like that's kind of Maddie, because she's, you know, she's literally navigating through all of the, like, the worst things you can imagine.

Syl: 00:22:15

Yeah.

Syl: 00:22:15

So that's why.

Rachel: 00:22:17

Understatement, Maddie, for that.

Rachel: 00:22:20

I love that.

Rachel: 00:22:21

That works really well.

Han: 00:22:22

Great actual research.

Rachel: 00:22:24

I know.

Rachel: 00:22:25

Still.

Rachel: 00:22:26

I know for once the evening, like, and.

Syl: 00:22:29

And that's where I landed.

Syl: 00:22:30

That's it.

Syl: 00:22:31

That's where the research ends.

Syl: 00:22:33

Because then you guys burst my bubble.

Syl: 00:22:34

And I was like, so.

Han: 00:22:37

No, but that kind of level research is what we should do for, like, the albums.

Han: 00:22:40

I didn't do it for TT PD because, like, that just happened.

Han: 00:22:43

And I remember, yeah, there's a recency bias.

Rachel: 00:22:46

Like, and it's.

Rachel: 00:22:47

Well, not a recency bias, but we just like, oh, I can't wait to.

Syl: 00:22:50

Talk about TTPD and be like, oh, my God.

Syl: 00:22:53

Unfortunately, I've.

Syl: 00:22:56

There are some certain people that color my perception of this album.

Rachel: 00:23:01

So.

Han: 00:23:02

Yeah.

Han: 00:23:04

Yeah, No, I love that.

Han: 00:23:05

I think Maddie for.

Han: 00:23:06

This is a good read.

Rachel: 00:23:07

That is a good one.

Rachel: 00:23:08

I put Ravi.

Rachel: 00:23:10

I had a lot of trouble placing Ravi, because I want to know more about Ravi.

Rachel: 00:23:15

And we have, like, these little snippets here and there.

Rachel: 00:23:19

So I was trying to, like, channel that into something, and I was just having a really tough time with him.

Rachel: 00:23:25

Like, I hate to say it was like a little process of elimination thing, because I feel like that undervalues him, and I don't undervalue him.

Rachel: 00:23:32

I value him so much, but I guess kind of like for a similar reason.

Rachel: 00:23:37

So when you.

Rachel: 00:23:38

You were saying.

Rachel: 00:23:39

Because I also saw, or I think you were mentioning it to me, the.

Rachel: 00:23:42

The whole idea of fearless, like, having those fears and.

Rachel: 00:23:47

And still being, like, optimistic about stuff.

Rachel: 00:23:50

So I was like, how can I fit that with Ravi?

Rachel: 00:23:52

So, but I guess it's like, from what we know of him, like, he spent a lot of his childhood being sick.

Rachel: 00:23:59

Like, I guess he had cancer and he decided to devote his life to, you know, kind of paying it forward sort of thing.

Rachel: 00:24:07

So that just had, like, that air of, like, do goodedness.

Rachel: 00:24:12

We're gonna pretend like that's a phrase and just like, just so, I guess pure of heart.

Rachel: 00:24:20

And that kind of feels like the general, like, whole of fearless to me.

Rachel: 00:24:27

Even the parts where I think it was season six where Ravi had to go, like, was back at the academy and was kind of thinking, like, maybe this isn't cut out for me because of it was, I think him seeing the car driving off the pier into the ocean and just like, you know, that really throwing him for a loop sort of thing and like, making him, like, scared and nervous about stuff, but still kind of like going to do it anyways.

Rachel: 00:24:57

Being fear, like, taking that, but.

Rachel: 00:24:59

But continuing on and being fearless.

Rachel: 00:25:02

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:25:02

I just.

Rachel: 00:25:03

That's kind of what I landed on.

Rachel: 00:25:06

But yeah, I guess, like, like the wholesomeness and.

Rachel: 00:25:10

And optimism and I feel like Ravi would have needed to really hold on to that kind of perspective, like that kind of world outlook and like, from a young age and would con.

Rachel: 00:25:23

Would continue to carry that through to present day.

Rachel: 00:25:26

I guess.

Rachel: 00:25:27

So that's.

Rachel: 00:25:27

That.

Han: 00:25:28

That makes sense.

Rachel: 00:25:29

I was trying to make it make some sort of sense.

Han: 00:25:32

Make it make some sense.

Rachel: 00:25:33

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:25:35

What did you have?

Han: 00:25:36

I have Athena on this one.

Rachel: 00:25:39

Oh.

Han: 00:25:41

For kind of similar reasons that Syl said for Maddie.

Han: 00:25:46

And I didn't even know about the.

Han: 00:25:48

Like, it's not about being fearless.

Han: 00:25:50

It's about being scared and doing the things anyway.

Han: 00:25:54

And I really feel like when I think about this album in general, I think about, like, kind of like Sunshine Love, like, really optimistic.

Han: 00:26:04

And I.

Han: 00:26:05

When I think of mom and dad and I just think of, like, that love story for her and, like, how joyous it is for her.

Rachel: 00:26:12

Love story?

Han: 00:26:13

Yes, love story.

Han: 00:26:16

Fearless.

Han: 00:26:19

You.

Rachel: 00:26:20

You belong with me.

Han: 00:26:21

Obviously, like, on the other side of the coin, you have, like, forever and always for Michael.

Han: 00:26:29

Mr.

Han: 00:26:30

Perfectly fine.

Han: 00:26:33

We were happy.

Rachel: 00:26:37

So that.

Rachel: 00:26:38

That's a good call on.

Rachel: 00:26:39

On those Taylor version.

Han: 00:26:41

Yeah.

Han: 00:26:42

But I think mostly the.

Han: 00:26:44

The big thing that again, tipped me was thinking about what the character would listen to.

Han: 00:26:49

And I don't think that this is, again, necessarily like, her what she would maybe gravitate towards naturally, musically.

Han: 00:26:57

But I think that, again, the timeline matches up for this to be probably one of the first Taylor Swift albums that Mae listened to.

Han: 00:27:08

So this is probably, like, her introduction to it.

Han: 00:27:10

And she probably has a lot of very sweet memories of May and, like, dancing, singing around.

Han: 00:27:15

That's so cute.

Rachel: 00:27:17

I love that you connected both Bobby and Athena to that as well.

Syl: 00:27:22

I know.

Han: 00:27:22

And then after I did that, I was like, okay, that's actually perfect.

Han: 00:27:25

They can't move.

Rachel: 00:27:25

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:27:27

That's really.

Han: 00:27:28

Because now they're the foundation too.

Han: 00:27:30

Right?

Rachel: 00:27:31

Oh, that's so.

Han: 00:27:32

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:27:32

That's so good that everything else is then, like, built off of.

Rachel: 00:27:36

Yeah, it's.

Rachel: 00:27:37

I.

Rachel: 00:27:38

It's really interesting because I feel like we all had very similar reasonings, but we ended up, like, somewhere different with this one.

Han: 00:27:46

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:27:46

But it all, like, stands true.

Rachel: 00:27:49

Shall we do speak now?

Han: 00:27:53

Yeah, I guess it appears this Is the first one that we all agree on.

Rachel: 00:27:58

Our first unanimous album.

Han: 00:28:01

This is the decree.

Rachel: 00:28:03

If we.

Rachel: 00:28:04

If we all agree.

Rachel: 00:28:05

Does it.

Rachel: 00:28:08

This is law.

Rachel: 00:28:09

No, it's not.

Syl: 00:28:11

But I'll tell them that it's official.

Han: 00:28:13

For the buddy system.

Han: 00:28:14

Taylor's version.

Han: 00:28:16

So.

Syl: 00:28:17

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:28:18

So who did we all decide, like, individually?

Rachel: 00:28:22

I think we helped each other a little bit with some of these, but, like, we generally landed on Decide.

Syl: 00:28:29

Yeah.

Han: 00:28:30

Little Miss May.

Rachel: 00:28:32

Little Miss May May.

Han: 00:28:35

Could not get out of my head, like, picturing her dancing around to this.

Han: 00:28:40

I don't know.

Han: 00:28:41

It's very, like, just, like, youthful.

Han: 00:28:43

And it runs the gambit of, like, emotions, too.

Han: 00:28:46

And like, when you're a kid, you have, you know, you're in this itty bitty body and you're feeling all these emotions.

Rachel: 00:28:51

So many emotions.

Syl: 00:28:53

Yeah.

Syl: 00:28:54

This one for me just gives a lot of high school and then.

Syl: 00:28:57

Yeah, also how.

Syl: 00:28:59

I think there's some songs in here that.

Syl: 00:29:01

That are kind of like reactive songs.

Syl: 00:29:04

And it makes me think about her in Claudette.

Han: 00:29:09

Is it Claudette?

Syl: 00:29:10

Yeah, her and Claudette.

Syl: 00:29:12

So, you know, you've got mean.

Syl: 00:29:14

You've got Better than revenge, you know, and then I'm sure, like, she could put herself in Castles Crumbling Down Somewhere.

Syl: 00:29:28

Yeah, I mean, that's my reasoning.

Syl: 00:29:30

It's very high school.

Syl: 00:29:31

And then she's got like, the.

Syl: 00:29:32

It's the reactive.

Rachel: 00:29:33

Yeah, it kind of like feels, I guess, also, like, if you're looking at, you know, the Taylor Swift albums as, like, you know, ages and, you know, growing in maturity, like, as life experiences.

Rachel: 00:29:48

Taylor grows with life experience.

Rachel: 00:29:50

Exactly.

Rachel: 00:29:51

Speak now would kind of be that, like, teenager or like, older adolescent, like, that kind of.

Han: 00:29:59

She started writing this one, some of these songs when she was, like, 17, right.

Rachel: 00:30:04

I think this was like, what, between 17, 19, 20.

Rachel: 00:30:08

Yeah, something like that.

Han: 00:30:09

I think she started writing it, like, while she was touring for Fearless.

Rachel: 00:30:14

I think it has some of that, like, quintessential mood swing.

Rachel: 00:30:19

Not in, like, a bad way, but.

Han: 00:30:20

Like, it's very theatrical.

Han: 00:30:22

That's how I think of it.

Han: 00:30:23

It's very, like.

Rachel: 00:30:24

It's a little dramatic in certain aspects.

Rachel: 00:30:29

In a good way.

Rachel: 00:30:30

Yeah, in a good way.

Han: 00:30:31

But it's very much like songs as storytelling of, like, telling people telling stories of, like, not just fairy tale book, but you know what I mean?

Han: 00:30:41

Like, it's.

Han: 00:30:42

That's kind of how I think of them in general, where it's like, when I look at Fucking.

Han: 00:30:46

Oh, my God.

Han: 00:30:47

Which one is it?

Han: 00:30:49

Speak Now.

Han: 00:30:50

When I look at Speak Now, I'm like, that is Such a quintessential, like, teenager fantasizing about, like, interrupting.

Han: 00:30:58

These are very, like, fantastical kind of songs.

Han: 00:31:02

Yeah, in a way.

Han: 00:31:04

And I just.

Han: 00:31:04

So I think like, as a teenager or even a preteen, like, they'd just be so much fun to like, you know, spin around in your room and dance to it and have a lot of fun with it.

Han: 00:31:15

And like Long Live is on here too.

Rachel: 00:31:18

I kind of think that like, with the experiences, like the life experiences that May has had, and this is not necessarily just for like, when she's a teenager, but like growing up to whatever age she is now, like early 20s.

Rachel: 00:31:34

I feel like she's seen and experienced so much in such a short amount of time.

Han: 00:31:41

She's 23 now.

Han: 00:31:44

that, because I think she was: 2001

Rachel: 00:31:49

So I feel like maybe with Speak now, it's just like you're cramming in so much to just like one little, like, piece of the pie.

Rachel: 00:32:01

If that makes.

Rachel: 00:32:01

If this makes sense.

Rachel: 00:32:02

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:32:03

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:32:03

I was just thinking there's something about how like, things that May have seen or experienced.

Rachel: 00:32:09

I mean, granted everyone in 911 because it's like, it's a dramatized show, but like, it.

Rachel: 00:32:17

There's just.

Rachel: 00:32:18

There's like the really high highs and the really low lows.

Rachel: 00:32:21

And I feel like Speak now has like, you.

Rachel: 00:32:25

Like you said it like runs the.

Han: 00:32:26

Gamut and she would have been nine when this came out.

Han: 00:32:28

So, like, pivotal.

Han: 00:32:31

I just think that's such like.

Han: 00:32:32

I'm just thinking about nine year old me if I had this album.

Han: 00:32:35

Me who loved to like, play a dress up and like choreograph little dances for my family to watch me, like, while I sing and danced around to them.

Han: 00:32:44

This would have been such a good album to do that too.

Rachel: 00:32:48

Like, like, it still has the.

Rachel: 00:32:50

It still has the optimism and like, childlike wonder that Fearless has with a little bit more maturity and depth of feeling that I feel like May would be able to relate to.

Rachel: 00:33:03

Right.

Rachel: 00:33:03

Because she.

Rachel: 00:33:04

She is generally like, like a happy character.

Rachel: 00:33:09

But she has, she has for when we meet her.

Rachel: 00:33:12

But she has things that like, she's dealing with.

Rachel: 00:33:15

But yeah, you know, that, that end up like precluding that.

Rachel: 00:33:18

So it's just kind of a little bit of.

Rachel: 00:33:20

It's like a little bit of everything.

Rachel: 00:33:22

Right.

Rachel: 00:33:23

In a nice little package.

Han: 00:33:26

Also.

Han: 00:33:26

I was just.

Han: 00:33:27

Do we.

Han: 00:33:27

Did we talk about Innocent and Claudette?

Rachel: 00:33:30

No.

Syl: 00:33:31

Innocent.

Rachel: 00:33:32

No, please do.

Han: 00:33:33

I forgot about that.

Han: 00:33:34

Just Innocent and Claudette.

Han: 00:33:35

Like, I don't I don't know if that needs any further explanation because we'll probably talk about it when we do album.

Han: 00:33:41

But like, I just feel like a lot of these songs, even though, like, you know, we don't know anything about her romantic life, you know, a lot of these songs still work for her.

Han: 00:33:50

So.

Han: 00:33:50

Yeah, I don't know.

Rachel: 00:33:51

I feel confident about it.

Rachel: 00:33:53

Speak works.

Syl: 00:33:56

Okay, so Red.

Rachel: 00:33:59

Red.

Rachel: 00:33:59

I.

Rachel: 00:34:00

How.

Rachel: 00:34:00

How do you do that one?

Rachel: 00:34:01

I forget.

Rachel: 00:34:03

Oh, thank you.

Rachel: 00:34:05

I failed.

Syl: 00:34:08

I picked Bubba.

Syl: 00:34:11

Now, this pick.

Syl: 00:34:14

This pick was mostly based off of vibes and process of elimination.

Han: 00:34:18

But also.

Syl: 00:34:19

But also.

Syl: 00:34:20

But also.

Syl: 00:34:21

I don't know, I feel like since we're talking about, like, the maturity levels of some of these albums.

Syl: 00:34:27

So.

Syl: 00:34:27

Yeah, like, if.

Syl: 00:34:28

If he had to listen to an album, I think my brain just thought Red because yes, debut, like, it's got that country in there, but I feel like Red is a little bit more.

Han: 00:34:41

Has country too.

Syl: 00:34:42

Yeah, Red has country, but it's like more.

Syl: 00:34:44

It's less childish.

Rachel: 00:34:46

Whoa.

Han: 00:34:47

Yeah.

Syl: 00:34:47

And I mean, you've got this snow patrol guy in there.

Rachel: 00:34:52

I don't know.

Syl: 00:34:55

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:34:56

That one jumped out at you.

Syl: 00:34:57

That one's the one that jumped out of me and I'm like, yeah, no, this.

Syl: 00:35:00

He's Bobby.

Syl: 00:35:01

Bobby is listening on his way to the fire station to fucking this is the last time.

Syl: 00:35:07

And that's it.

Syl: 00:35:08

That's.

Rachel: 00:35:08

That's.

Syl: 00:35:08

This one was purely based on vibes.

Rachel: 00:35:13

I also put Bobby.

Rachel: 00:35:14

And I was having trouble with it, I think, because when we were coming up with this concept and like, I actually started thinking about, okay, who would I put with where I.

Rachel: 00:35:24

My brain just got stuck on Bobby as Red and I couldn't.

Rachel: 00:35:32

I was trying to like, okay, well, let's.

Rachel: 00:35:35

Let's explore some other options.

Rachel: 00:35:37

Let's look at some other things for him.

Rachel: 00:35:39

But I just.

Rachel: 00:35:40

For some reason, I was just hooked on it and I couldn't let that one go.

Rachel: 00:35:44

And I think it's probably the inclusion of.

Rachel: 00:35:48

Of more like, religious under religious, like theming with like State of Grace and Holy Ground that probably, like got its little hooks in my brain on this one.

Han: 00:36:02

So it's about to say there's so many more religious references in debut, but continue.

Rachel: 00:36:09

I mean, I'm.

Rachel: 00:36:11

I'm kind of less familiar with that.

Rachel: 00:36:12

But.

Rachel: 00:36:13

But that's.

Rachel: 00:36:14

That's just what my brain decided to go with.

Rachel: 00:36:16

But I.

Rachel: 00:36:17

So it's.

Rachel: 00:36:17

It's mostly vibes, but I think it's also a little bit of.

Rachel: 00:36:21

Oh, I was trying to think.

Rachel: 00:36:23

I came up With a reason last night.

Rachel: 00:36:24

And I should have wrote it down and I didn't.

Rachel: 00:36:28

I don't know.

Rachel: 00:36:28

I think, I think it, it's.

Rachel: 00:36:30

It's like a really well balanced album.

Rachel: 00:36:35

You.

Rachel: 00:36:36

Do you not think so or.

Han: 00:36:37

I was just laughing because people do not think this is a well balanced album because it is kind of all over the place.

Han: 00:36:43

But that's one of the reasons I really love it.

Syl: 00:36:45

He's a silly dude sometimes.

Han: 00:36:46

He is a silly dude.

Rachel: 00:36:48

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:36:48

I think that was part of like when we were discussing it briefly.

Rachel: 00:36:52

I think that is part of the reason because he would, you know, Mr.

Rachel: 00:36:56

Cab, Dracula, like, from.

Han: 00:37:02

I love him so much.

Rachel: 00:37:05

I love how still you were like, oh my God.

Rachel: 00:37:08

Well, both of you were like, oh my God, Rachel.

Rachel: 00:37:10

It's just you.

Rachel: 00:37:10

And I was like, rachel, is that you?

Han: 00:37:13

We didn't know Rachel was guest starring.

Rachel: 00:37:15

I was like, yeah, that's me.

Syl: 00:37:18

Number.

Syl: 00:37:19

Number one or two on the call sheet.

Syl: 00:37:20

Rachel.

Syl: 00:37:21

No way.

Han: 00:37:22

She's got her Bobby mask on.

Rachel: 00:37:24

Let's call me the pun master.

Syl: 00:37:26

And dad.

Han: 00:37:26

And dad.

Rachel: 00:37:27

And dad.

Rachel: 00:37:27

I feel like there's stuff that, that like Bobby could lean into with some of the more light, light hearted, more poppy stuff like, you know, 22, I knew you were trouble like that.

Rachel: 00:37:42

That silly or goofy side.

Rachel: 00:37:43

But then it is.

Rachel: 00:37:44

It is also like very grounded in some of those other songs on the album.

Rachel: 00:37:50

I mean, I wouldn't necessarily say that like the song all too well is attributed to him, but like just the, like how I'm trying not to use the same.

Rachel: 00:38:01

The same meaning, like, reasons for everything where it's just like you have the high highs and the low lows, but like, like you have.

Rachel: 00:38:09

It's more like the silly, goofy light heartedness, but also like the really like ground, like something to ground that in, you know, And I feel like that's kind of Bobby ish.

Rachel: 00:38:22

This was mostly vibes and mostly some of my favorite songs on the album are State of Grace and Holy Ground.

Syl: 00:38:29

Also, I don't, I don't.

Syl: 00:38:31

Also I don't know what it is, but.

Syl: 00:38:34

And this is so this is reaching.

Syl: 00:38:36

This is like this, this is not gonna make sense to you guys at all, but my brain goes Taylor Swift, Red radio hits.

Syl: 00:38:43

And then this is also the same guy who's like, flan is the bomb.

Syl: 00:38:49

I don't know.

Syl: 00:38:50

I don't know.

Syl: 00:38:52

I'm like, okay.

Syl: 00:38:53

So like he, he's kind of like.

Han: 00:38:56

They have the same sense of humor.

Rachel: 00:38:58

Yeah, Yeah.

Syl: 00:39:01

I don't know.

Syl: 00:39:02

And then now and then I guess I could just picture the, like, if he got caught listening to Taylor Swift, I feel like it would be this album, and it would be like, either we're not getting back together as a song, like, just out of nowhere, just, like, starts blasting on.

Syl: 00:39:18

On speakers.

Syl: 00:39:19

Or it's the other one.

Syl: 00:39:20

What is it?

Syl: 00:39:21

Oh, I knew you were trouble.

Han: 00:39:23

Oh, oh.

Syl: 00:39:24

And 22, I guess.

Han: 00:39:25

Goat version.

Syl: 00:39:27

Goat version.

Han: 00:39:30

That's.

Syl: 00:39:30

And that's why.

Syl: 00:39:31

That's.

Syl: 00:39:32

That's why he got introduced.

Syl: 00:39:33

He was like, what is that?

Han: 00:39:34

Chimney Showed him.

Rachel: 00:39:38

I was gonna feel like it was either buck or chimney that showed him the meme, but I feel like that would be chimney.

Han: 00:39:43

Chimney 100.

Syl: 00:39:45

Definitely chimney.

Rachel: 00:39:46

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:39:46

So it's.

Rachel: 00:39:46

It's mostly vibes, and I think this was the.

Rachel: 00:39:50

This was, like, one of the only ones where I was like, yeah, I think that he would listen to this album maybe the most, but I think that's the only one.

Rachel: 00:39:58

The only time that I actually did that kind of thinking for it.

Han: 00:40:01

This is my first album that I have.

Han: 00:40:03

Secret second option.

Han: 00:40:06

Not really a secret.

Han: 00:40:08

It's just that Buck.

Han: 00:40:10

I know.

Han: 00:40:10

Shocking to anyone.

Han: 00:40:12

Listening to the Pod more than once as a Buck girly.

Han: 00:40:17

I have assigned him more than one album, so this is.

Han: 00:40:22

This is one of them.

Han: 00:40:23

But I had to go with a different one, I think, because it aligns more with who he is now.

Han: 00:40:27

But since he cannot have this one, he can only have one.

Han: 00:40:31

The.

Han: 00:40:32

The second place, the runner up, is Maddie.

Han: 00:40:35

And I think that I want to start off by talking about Ronan, because that is very Maddie and Daniel coded.

Rachel: 00:40:47

Oh, man.

Rachel: 00:40:49

And I can't listen to that one very often.

Han: 00:40:51

I can't either.

Han: 00:40:52

It's really hard to listen.

Han: 00:40:53

I pretty much only listen to it when I'm watching people react to the album because I like watching other people cry.

Rachel: 00:41:01

Wow.

Rachel: 00:41:02

How cancer of you.

Han: 00:41:04

Well, it's like they go from State of Grace, acoustic version, and then they're like, why are we crying?

Han: 00:41:09

What are we doing?

Han: 00:41:11

But, yeah, so I think that this has a lot of, like, upbeat, optimistic, like, Maddie coded songs that really fit for her.

Han: 00:41:22

And Chimney, like State of grace and Red.

Han: 00:41:26

If you don't think about it from a past, I'm looking at this not very deeply.

Han: 00:41:29

I'm looking at it from surface level.

Han: 00:41:31

Okay.

Han: 00:41:31

Please don't come for me.

Han: 00:41:34

This is not the deep analysis right now.

Han: 00:41:36

Okay.

Han: 00:41:37

Going through, like, the vibes.

Han: 00:41:39

So State of grace and red and stay, stay, stay Holy ground Everything has changed Starlight begin again Come back, be here.

Rachel: 00:41:57

I get what you're putting down.

Han: 00:41:59

I feel like I can look at Forever Winter about, like, her and Buck.

Han: 00:42:04

I don't know.

Han: 00:42:05

Maybe you guys are very familiar with that song.

Han: 00:42:07

Okay, so.

Rachel: 00:42:08

Yes, please.

Han: 00:42:10

It's a really, really good song.

Han: 00:42:12

It's kind of sad if you, like, know the lore behind or the supposed lore about it is that it's about one of her best friends from high school who, like, overdosed.

Han: 00:42:26

So.

Han: 00:42:27

But it's a really beautiful song.

Han: 00:42:28

And the way it's written is that it's, like, not, like, in the past tense.

Han: 00:42:33

And it's, like, about, like.

Han: 00:42:35

Like, if you want to think about, like, Noah Kahan's call your mom.

Rachel: 00:42:39

Oh.

Han: 00:42:40

It's kind of like that similar kind of vibe, you know, where it's like, you know, I'm gonna be there for you and, like, I.

Han: 00:42:46

I don't know, like, who I'd be without you.

Han: 00:42:48

And, like, I didn't know you were going through this, but, like, of course I will drop everything and be there for you kind of thing.

Han: 00:42:54

So I just thought about that way, not just because they were apart a lot, but because, you know, not just as childhood Buck, who obviously went through a lot and she had to be there for him a lot, but as adulthood Buck, who we clearly see go through some very dark, kind of depressive episodes.

Han: 00:43:13

I kind of think that fits with him.

Han: 00:43:15

And then some of the more sad, like, a breakup songs are kind of still more like, but I wish we could still be together kind of vibes.

Han: 00:43:24

Except for we are never, never anywhere together.

Rachel: 00:43:26

Yeah.

Han: 00:43:28

And all too well.

Han: 00:43:29

And I think those ones still fit with Maddy and Chimney, like, on their hiatuses.

Han: 00:43:34

That's what I like to call them.

Rachel: 00:43:37

We were on a break.

Rachel: 00:43:39

No, they were on a break.

Rachel: 00:43:40

I feel like I'm just, like, less familiar with Red, especially the Taylor's version, like, with all of the bonus songs and Fearless, too.

Rachel: 00:43:50

to my being as much as, like,: 1989

Rachel: 00:44:02

And I feel bad when I tell.

Han: 00:44:04

You, before Taylor's version, Red came out, I really only listened to three songs on this album and not even heavily.

Han: 00:44:10

And then when Taylor's version came out, I was like, wow, just at me.

Rachel: 00:44:15

Yeah, I guess.

Han: 00:44:16

And those.

Rachel: 00:44:17

I didn't.

Han: 00:44:17

Those Vault songs are her best, are, up to this point, I think her best Vault songs, like, you gotta.

Han: 00:44:23

Oh, my God.

Han: 00:44:24

Nothing new.

Han: 00:44:25

I bet you think about me forever Winter.

Han: 00:44:29

I really like Run.

Han: 00:44:30

I love anything she does with Ed Sheeran.

Han: 00:44:31

I'M a sucker for anyway.

Han: 00:44:33

You guys should.

Han: 00:44:34

It's a really good album.

Han: 00:44:35

I think it really fits Maddie.

Han: 00:44:37

It more so fits Buck.

Rachel: 00:44:38

But like, sorry, I'm sure, like, if I listen to it again, like, maybe even for.

Rachel: 00:44:44

For similar reasons that you said, I'm sure I could find ways to relate it to Bobby.

Rachel: 00:44:51

And again, we'll do this when we go through like that.

Han: 00:44:55

Oh, yeah, this.

Rachel: 00:44:56

This will be a great to be.

Han: 00:44:56

Like, where are they now?

Rachel: 00:44:58

The actual track list.

Rachel: 00:44:59

And just be like, we.

Rachel: 00:45:01

Yeah, we can revisit it and just be like.

Han: 00:45:03

Okay.

Rachel: 00:45:03

So actually going through each of these, like, in more depth as opposed to just, like, vibe.

Rachel: 00:45:11

Because I was just kind of like.

Han: 00:45:12

Now that we've uncorked the Taylor Swift battle.

Rachel: 00:45:15

Right.

Han: 00:45:16

It's never going back on.

Rachel: 00:45:18

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:45:18

So we could probably just like, revisit what we.

Rachel: 00:45:22

What we sorted them as that when once we get, like, better understanding.

Rachel: 00:45:28

So this is.

Rachel: 00:45:29

This is a little bit like a before and after.

Han: 00:45:32

Yeah.

Han: 00:45:34

Okay.

Han: 00:45:34

Because at this point, we've only really gone through one entire album, but we already knew who that was before we went through it.

Rachel: 00:45:39

Oh, yeah.

Rachel: 00:45:40

That one, I think, was the easiest one.

Han: 00:45:43

Yes.

Han: 00:45:44

She wrote it about him.

Syl: 00:45:47

She watched.

Syl: 00:45:48

She binge watched 911 one day and.

Han: 00:45:51

Was like, I got to write an album.

Rachel: 00:45:54

If Adele could do it.

Rachel: 00:45:56

If Adele is one of the nine one morning girlies now.

Han: 00:46:00

And I know we know that Taylor Allison Swift loves Grey's Anatomy, so I'm just saying that she likes this genre.

Rachel: 00:46:10

And also now we have, like, what is like, the bacon number because we have Travis Kelce in grotesquerie.

Han: 00:46:18

Oh, yeah.

Rachel: 00:46:18

Ryan Murphy show.

Rachel: 00:46:20

So that's like a bacon score of what, like two or three?

Syl: 00:46:24

Taylor Swift entering the Ryan Murphy cinematic universe.

Han: 00:46:28

I mean, so Tim Minier is the Taylor Swift of network television.

Rachel: 00:46:33

We've said it before.

Rachel: 00:46:34

We will say it again, but we're.

Han: 00:46:35

Gonna talk about: 1989

Syl: 00:46:38

Ah, yes.

Han: 00:46:39

This is our second one that we agree.

Han: 00:46:42

We all three agree.

Rachel: 00:46:43

And it is chimney, chimney, chimney.

Rachel: 00:46:50

Based completely on vibes.

Syl: 00:46:54

Vibes.

Rachel: 00:46:55

But I implore you to tell us otherwise.

Rachel: 00:47:00

Otherwise.

Han: 00:47:01

Yeah, listen, I have a headcanon that I don't even know why I have it, because I'm not invested in this other artist.

Han: 00:47:08

Apropos of nothing, I have a headcanon for the backstory of why he loves this album, which is that he's a big Harry Styles fan.

Rachel: 00:47:21

Wait, I love this.

Han: 00:47:24

And he loves what Gossip.

Han: 00:47:27

The tea.

Syl: 00:47:30

Oh, okay.

Syl: 00:47:32

You're so right.

Syl: 00:47:34

You're so right.

Rachel: 00:47:36

Wait, no, this is so Perfect.

Rachel: 00:47:38

I didn't even think about this.

Rachel: 00:47:40

Like, this Han.

Rachel: 00:47:41

This is a.

Rachel: 00:47:42

This is perfection.

Han: 00:47:44

And he's doing that thing that some.

Han: 00:47:45

Some like, I love watching reactors do, who love an artist that she is writing the song and they're like, sorry, it's a bop.

Rachel: 00:47:54

Yes.

Han: 00:47:56

He's listening to them.

Han: 00:47:58

Like, I'm sorry, man, but it's a bop.

Rachel: 00:48:01

Oh, my gosh.

Han: 00:48:01

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:48:02

No, you're so right.

Rachel: 00:48:03

Because Chimney absolutely would love Harry Styles.

Rachel: 00:48:06

Like, I'm pulling an absolute blank because I am the resident Harry Styles fan.

Rachel: 00:48:14

You are.

Rachel: 00:48:14

And I am Shame I'm not anti Harry Styles.

Han: 00:48:19

I just.

Han: 00:48:19

No investment.

Rachel: 00:48:20

Oh.

Rachel: 00:48:21

Just like, yeah, everything Harry Styles.

Rachel: 00:48:25

I feel like Chimney would really appreciate, like, purely on vibes first.

Rachel: 00:48:31

And then he would, like, learn a little bit more.

Rachel: 00:48:33

And he would be like, actually, this guy is, like, pretty cool.

Rachel: 00:48:36

And, you know, pop culture king Chimney.

Han: 00:48:41

Oh, yeah.

Rachel: 00:48:41

Would then have to, like.

Rachel: 00:48:43

I know mostly it's movie stuff, but, like, he would absolutely have to, like, absorb everything and with.

Rachel: 00:48:48

With.

Rachel: 00:48:49

With the Taylor's version of: 1989

Rachel: 00:48:52

Just like, oh, my gosh.

Rachel: 00:48:54

And he, like, connect the dots and it's like, about.

Rachel: 00:48:57

About my man Harry Styles.

Han: 00:49:00

Well, I think he likes.

Han: 00:49:01

Again, in my head, none of this is based in canon.

Han: 00:49:04

I have so many random headcanons about.

Rachel: 00:49:06

Jimny, but hear all of them someday.

Han: 00:49:09

Like, I was like, oh, he would love Harry Styles because he.

Han: 00:49:11

He loves.

Han: 00:49:12

He.

Han: 00:49:13

In my head, he loves all of the artists that influence Harry Styles music, and he likes those genres.

Han: 00:49:19

So then he was like, actually, this all really slaps and, like, has a nice twist of his own.

Han: 00:49:25

His own stamp on it.

Han: 00:49:27

And then was like, okay, actually, I'm obsessed.

Rachel: 00:49:30

And it's just like the.

Rachel: 00:49:32

I think, sonically,: 1989

Han: 00:49:41

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:49:41

When I think about him, just like.

Han: 00:49:42

Which is just cool.

Syl: 00:49:44

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:49:45

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:49:46

When it comes down to it, it's just cool.

Han: 00:49:49

Which is so funny because I don't think he feels like he's cool.

Rachel: 00:49:53

No, he doesn't at all.

Han: 00:49:54

But he is the coolest person.

Han: 00:49:56

I mean, hen, too.

Han: 00:49:58

Him and hen.

Syl: 00:49:59

Yeah, the coolest.

Han: 00:50:00

But, like, I don't know.

Syl: 00:50:02

I don't know.

Syl: 00:50:03

It's also like.

Syl: 00:50:04

Like, when they pull up to scenes with, like, their sunglasses.

Syl: 00:50:06

Yes, yes.

Syl: 00:50:09

I mean, and I know everyone else does it.

Syl: 00:50:11

I don't really care.

Syl: 00:50:12

But that is specifically.

Syl: 00:50:13

They just look so cool.

Syl: 00:50:15

And they're just like.

Syl: 00:50:16

Yeah.

Syl: 00:50:16

And I mean, they're also, like, actually doing, like, the medical stuff, and it's kind of like I don't know.

Syl: 00:50:21

I don't know.

Han: 00:50:22

They just.

Syl: 00:50:23

They got a cooler vibe than the two idiots over there.

Han: 00:50:26

So, like, I can just hear blank space and style playing in the background as they roll up, just looking cool anywhere they go.

Han: 00:50:35

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:50:36

It's when they're feeling themselves and they are embracing, like, their confidence, you know, when they don't have something tragic and terrible going on that they're focusing all of that energy on.

Rachel: 00:50:48

When it's just like, baseline chimney.

Rachel: 00:50:52

It's the.

Rachel: 00:50:53

It's the cool.

Rachel: 00:50:53

It's the cool factor.

Han: 00:50:55

Also.

Syl: 00:50:56

He wanted to do, like, all of the, like, more stunt, like, maneuvers.

Han: 00:51:02

Yeah.

Syl: 00:51:02

So, okay.

Syl: 00:51:03

Yeah.

Syl: 00:51:04

I mean, that.

Syl: 00:51:04

That this is chimney.

Syl: 00:51:06

1989 is chimney.

Syl: 00:51:07

And: 1989

Syl: 00:51:08

And he's.

Han: 00:51:09

I just have a couple.

Han: 00:51:10

A couple.

Han: 00:51:10

Just brief songs.

Han: 00:51:13

So out of the woods.

Han: 00:51:15

All you had to do was stay.

Han: 00:51:17

Wildest dreams.

Han: 00:51:19

How you get the girl.

Han: 00:51:20

Yeah.

Han: 00:51:21

This love.

Rachel: 00:51:21

You are in love.

Han: 00:51:22

What else you are in love, obviously.

Rachel: 00:51:27

New romantic.

Han: 00:51:30

Oh, my God.

Han: 00:51:30

Yeah.

Han: 00:51:31

But I was gonna.

Han: 00:51:31

I was listening all the.

Han: 00:51:32

The maddeny songs.

Rachel: 00:51:34

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Rachel: 00:51:35

Right.

Han: 00:51:36

Because again, even the ones that are like anxiety situationship, it's giving Madney hiatus times, you know?

Rachel: 00:51:44

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:51:44

Chimney is cool.

Rachel: 00:51:45

1989 is cool.

Rachel: 00:51:47

Kenneth Choi is super cool.

Rachel: 00:51:49

Like.

Syl: 00:51:50

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:51:50

What higher praise can we give?

Han: 00:51:53

None.

Han: 00:51:54

He should be honored that we gave him this album.

Rachel: 00:51:56

I hope so.

Syl: 00:51:56

Yeah, he should.

Han: 00:51:57

I would also give Kenneth Choi this album.

Rachel: 00:51:59

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:52:01

Like, I can't wait till when we do get into, like, the.

Rachel: 00:52:04

The full track list and sorting the songs.

Rachel: 00:52:07

That's going to be really fun.

Han: 00:52:09

There's definitely.

Han: 00:52:10

But there.

Rachel: 00:52:10

There is so much like Chimney and Maddie together, but also, like, chimney fun.

Rachel: 00:52:17

It's just like breath of fresh air sort of thing, which I guess kind of goes with, like, the Taylor's version aesthetics.

Rachel: 00:52:22

Like at the beach with the seagulls and, you know, just like.

Rachel: 00:52:26

Huh.

Han: 00:52:26

Just being very cool.

Rachel: 00:52:28

Yeah.

Syl: 00:52:28

So are you ready for it?

Rachel: 00:52:31

Damn it.

Rachel: 00:52:34

I feel like I do that every other episode.

Syl: 00:52:36

I was banking on someone doing it.

Rachel: 00:52:39

We're gonna wait till the Taylor's version comes out and to do, like, the full.

Rachel: 00:52:43

Okay.

Han: 00:52:43

For sure.

Han: 00:52:44

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:52:46

When we catch you.

Rachel: 00:52:47

Reputation.

Rachel: 00:52:47

Taylor's version.

Rachel: 00:52:48

When we catch you.

Syl: 00:52:50

Imagine it's already announced by the time this episode comes out.

Han: 00:52:53

A reputation lowercased version.

Han: 00:52:56

Because that's all we know right now.

Syl: 00:52:58

I picked Athena for this one because Vibes, but also because, like, if I had to picture her listening to an album, it would be this one.

Syl: 00:53:08

And I think this album balances kind of like a.

Syl: 00:53:12

It's got, like, that badass vibe, and then it also has, like, some of the, you know, more romantic love songs.

Syl: 00:53:19

So it's kind of like one of those.

Syl: 00:53:21

You kind of see this album as one thing, but there's, like, a deeper.

Syl: 00:53:25

There's a different meaning once you get through the actual, like, track list and listen to some of those songs.

Syl: 00:53:32

You got King of my heart, Getaway car.

Syl: 00:53:34

Also, you've got, like, some of the radio hits, like, look what you made me do.

Syl: 00:53:39

I don't know.

Syl: 00:53:39

Like, some of these are very, to me, are kind of like Athena things, Just her rolling up and doing what she does best.

Rachel: 00:53:47

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:53:47

I mean, I also put rep as Athena.

Rachel: 00:53:51

I felt like that was maybe a more obvious choice.

Rachel: 00:53:55

I think I was trying to not put her with that because that was my initial thought.

Rachel: 00:54:00

So I was trying to, like, go.

Rachel: 00:54:02

Go against that, I guess, similarly to how I was trying to not put Bobby with my immediate, you know, first.

Rachel: 00:54:10

First thought.

Rachel: 00:54:11

Like, I was trying to think it through a little bit more, but I.

Rachel: 00:54:13

But I do.

Rachel: 00:54:14

Similarly to cel, I feel like with reputation, you get that kind of bait and switch a little bit or, like, that duality that I think we do see with Athena, where it's like, you know, on the outside, it does look very, like, a little, you know, like, a tougher exterior.

Rachel: 00:54:31

But then when you kind of get into it a little more, there's a lot of tenderness that is very apparent, and it, like, is actually woven through so much of it.

Rachel: 00:54:41

And I feel like that is an aspect of Athena as well, because she has to, you know, put on that tougher exterior.

Rachel: 00:54:48

And she is always like, you know, like, a very tough lady, and she's a badass and everything like that.

Rachel: 00:54:54

But when she takes off her uniform and she's at home, it's a lot softer.

Rachel: 00:55:00

And she still has, of course, those moments, but it's the softer underbelly.

Rachel: 00:55:06

So it's.

Rachel: 00:55:08

I like the balance of the armor and then taking the armor off, and I feel like that gave me Athena, too.

Rachel: 00:55:15

There you have it.

Han: 00:55:16

I'm not mad at that.

Han: 00:55:17

I originally had Maddie here, but I was down to the wire and still didn't know where I was putting Karen.

Han: 00:55:25

And I was like, karen is not red.

Han: 00:55:28

So.

Rachel: 00:55:28

No.

Han: 00:55:29

And then I thought about it, and I was like, actually, I love this one for her for kind of similar reasons, because she.

Han: 00:55:38

We do see a lot of softness from her because of, you know, her being a very loving partner and her being such a great mom.

Han: 00:55:47

But we do see, you know, Some sassiness from her.

Han: 00:55:50

And she is very confident and smart and very, you know, a lot of qualities that we just talked about with Athena, I think.

Rachel: 00:55:57

I mean, they do have some similar qualities.

Rachel: 00:56:00

Yeah, so that makes sense.

Han: 00:56:02

Yeah.

Han: 00:56:03

So, like, specifically, though, I was kind of thinking a lot about her and Hen's relationship because this is kind of like a falling in love album.

Han: 00:56:12

Right.

Han: 00:56:12

And so I was like, endgame would be super cute, delicate, so it goes gorgeous.

Syl: 00:56:23

Good.

Han: 00:56:23

Hang on.

Han: 00:56:24

My heart dress.

Han: 00:56:26

Absolutely.

Han: 00:56:27

Call it when you want New Year's Day.

Rachel: 00:56:28

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:56:29

Like, there is that thread of vulnerability that you see in this album.

Han: 00:56:33

And then I was thinking about her with, like, people like Ava are people like the councilwoman.

Han: 00:56:40

And I was thinking about, this is why we can't have nice things.

Han: 00:56:42

And look what you made me do.

Han: 00:56:44

So, you know, it's not all just, like, love and softness and butterflies.

Han: 00:56:48

I also just think, like, sonically, she would love cleaning the house to the song.

Han: 00:56:53

I don't know why.

Han: 00:56:54

That's the picture that popped into my head.

Han: 00:56:57

I was trying to picture the characters, like, listening to the albums and what they'd be doing.

Rachel: 00:57:00

No, I could see her, like, playing rep in the science lab at work.

Han: 00:57:07

Honestly, this is a really good stimming album.

Han: 00:57:10

Like, if you really need to, like, focus, because it's just got, like, really, really good beats.

Han: 00:57:16

This has a really beat heavy album.

Rachel: 00:57:19

Yeah, like.

Rachel: 00:57:20

Like, the synth beats are very heavy in this one.

Han: 00:57:22

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:57:22

Yeah, that.

Rachel: 00:57:23

I understand what you mean.

Rachel: 00:57:24

Yeah, I like that, too.

Rachel: 00:57:26

And I like finding those similarities between Athena and Karen in that way.

Rachel: 00:57:31

Yeah, that's kind of neat.

Rachel: 00:57:32

Onto the next.

Syl: 00:57:34

Yes.

Rachel: 00:57:35

Lover.

Rachel: 00:57:36

Lover.

Syl: 00:57:38

So I picked Karen.

Syl: 00:57:40

Well, Rachel and I picked Karen.

Rachel: 00:57:43

I was trying to see if, like, we ended up with the same for all of them, but we didn't.

Rachel: 00:57:48

Just.

Han: 00:57:48

Just a lot of them, almost.

Syl: 00:57:50

Okay, so Lover, the album is, you know, like, it's kind of one of those, like, kind of like what we said about reputation, like, the whole duality thing.

Syl: 00:57:59

When I was thinking about Karen for Lover, I was thinking about, like, some of that anxiety that she would have when it comes to her relationship with Hen and, like, the whole Eva situation.

Syl: 00:58:10

And then, like, how some of that would resurface and resurface and resurface.

Syl: 00:58:14

So that's why.

Syl: 00:58:16

And then I think there's some cute songs in there that could go either of the ways.

Rachel: 00:58:20

Oh, hang on.

Syl: 00:58:21

But unfortunately, Lover is one of those albums that I don't really listen to as much, except for the radio hits.

Syl: 00:58:27

So I don't know if Rachel can come save me.

Rachel: 00:58:30

Yeah.

Rachel: 00:58:31

So I put Karen as well.

Rachel: 00:58:32

Similarly, I think there's like, as you know, we were just talking about how, like, the.

Rachel: 00:58:38

The strength that Karen has as well, but I feel like there.

Rachel: 00:58:41

There is that.

Rachel: 00:58:42

Do I keep saying undercurrent?

Rachel: 00:58:43

I'm trying not to overuse that.

Rachel: 00:58:45

Like, with Lover, there.

Rachel: 00:58:46

There is this insecurity that is kind of a constant.

Rachel: 00:58:51

Just.

Rachel: 00:58:52

I feel like reputation and Lover are very similar in these kind of like bait and switch ways.

Rachel: 00:58:58

So Karen also, like, puts on a strong front and is just like, generally she's.

Han: 00:59:03

She's.

Rachel: 00:59:04

She's like strong yet soft.

Rachel: 00:59:06

However, when something like, you know, puts a dent in her.

Rachel: 00:59:12

I don't want to say armor again, but essentially that's what I mean.

Rachel: 00:59:15

It kind of spirals kind of quickly.

Rachel: 00:59:18

And she.

Rachel: 00:59:19

We've seen her when, I think mostly with stuff with Hen, like Ava and even as recently in season eight with.

Rachel: 00:59:29

With the Halloween episode Masks and how, you know, her being kind of unhappy about hen missing out on some of these big moments for the kids.

Rachel: 00:59:38

Like, it's not necessarily like, about Karen herself, but it's just.

Rachel: 00:59:42

It's.

Rachel: 00:59:43

It's this want to keep things together, like, keep her family together and keep, you know, everybody safe and happy.

Rachel: 00:59:50

And when something threatens that, I feel like she can kind of either lash out or spiral or something essentially.

Rachel: 00:59:58

And that kind of gave me a little bit of Lover because it is generally like a, you know, it is all about love, right?

Rachel: 01:00:07

And Karen is all about love and loving her family.

Rachel: 01:00:11

I feel like Karen is so, like one of her.

Rachel: 01:00:14

The pillars of her character is keeping her family together and keeping them happy and strong.

Rachel: 01:00:21

And if something threatens that she goes on the.

Rachel: 01:00:26

I wouldn't necessarily, like, say defensive, but, like, she gets very wrapped up in that.

Han: 01:00:31

You know, I know this album really well because it was the first one I devoured and listened to on repeat for.

Han: 01:00:38

I'm not kidding, like, six months when this came out.

Han: 01:00:41

I don't hate that read.

Han: 01:00:42

I don't hate this album for her.

Han: 01:00:44

I originally had Athena here for all of the reasons that you guys just said.

Rachel: 01:00:48

I was also thinking about Athena and.

Han: 01:00:50

We talked about Athena and Karen having similar attributes.

Han: 01:00:53

But then because I needed to move Athena to fairly, this.

Han: 01:00:58

This slot opened up and I was really deliberating, like, where to put Josh, because I thought a couple different ones.

Han: 01:01:05

Like, I really think that: 1989

Han: 01:01:11

I'm sorry, Josh.

Han: 01:01:12

I mean, if you want to have some more gay on gay crime.

Han: 01:01:14

That's on you.

Han: 01:01:15

But that's not what we're doing right here.

Han: 01:01:19

So I really actually thought that he would really vibe with this album because lover is a misnomer.

Han: 01:01:28

This isn't really an album about being in love.

Han: 01:01:34

It's an album about being insecure and anxious and feeling like you need to hold on tight because you're scared.

Han: 01:01:44

And then I also think it's.

Han: 01:01:45

It's a concept album too.

Han: 01:01:47

So it is talking about like different kinds of love here.

Han: 01:01:49

So like you have familiar love, you have.

Han: 01:01:51

You have friendship and then you have romantic love.

Han: 01:01:54

And then you have like different, different feelings or different stages of love.

Han: 01:01:57

And I just think that Josh would enjoy that because much like chimney, he likes a good kiki.

Han: 01:02:04

Something that.

Han: 01:02:04

That's very dramatic.

Han: 01:02:05

You know what I mean?

Han: 01:02:06

I think he would really enjoy.

Han: 01:02:08

I forgot that you existed.

Han: 01:02:10

Like.

Rachel: 01:02:10

Oh, absolutely.

Han: 01:02:14

I just, I could just see him putting that on like as his like morning affirmation song.

Syl: 01:02:20

Oh my God.

Rachel: 01:02:22

I could see that too.

Han: 01:02:23

And just like I can just see him like driving on the way to work.

Han: 01:02:27

Cruel summer the man paper rings because it's so cutesy.

Han: 01:02:31

And like he is a romantic.

Rachel: 01:02:33

He is a little cutesy romantic guy.

Han: 01:02:36

London boy.

Han: 01:02:37

Because you can't tell me that like he wouldn't love a man with a British accent.

Han: 01:02:42

And then you need to calm down.

Han: 01:02:44

Duh.

Han: 01:02:45

Obvious for obvious reasons me which controversial to that.

Han: 01:02:52

I love that song.

Han: 01:02:53

So sorry.

Han: 01:02:56

Sorry if you don't have taste.

Han: 01:02:59

No, I think it's just a fun song and I don't know why people hate it so much.

Han: 01:03:05

I could list off the top of my head 10 songs that I have the feeling that most people have or like the Internet seems to have about me anyway.

Han: 01:03:15

Then I think, think like it's nice to have a friend like very him and Maddie coded.

Han: 01:03:21

And then you have like.

Han: 01:03:23

I really think that he also likes to listen to sad songs and cry in the dark.

Han: 01:03:30

So I can just see him listening to the archer and I'm sorry, I know people are like, the Archer is like so slow and it lags.

Han: 01:03:42

But that is a sad song and that's why it lags.

Han: 01:03:45

I know it's like a mid tempo so people are confused about.

Rachel: 01:03:48

I think best songs on that album.

Han: 01:03:51

Lyrically it is so, so good.

Han: 01:03:53

But it's, it's, it's very sad.

Rachel: 01:03:55

It's so.

Han: 01:03:56

Because it's saying please don't leave me.

Han: 01:03:58

Basically it's saying, you know, everyone has always left me.

Han: 01:04:02

Please don't leave me anyway.

Rachel: 01:04:05

And the preview of who we will probably sort that song to.

Han: 01:04:10

Yeah, I know.

Han: 01:04:10

What a mystery.

Han: 01:04:11

Then we have Death by a Thousand Cuts, which is the best Taylor Swift bridge.

Han: 01:04:17

I will die on that fucking hill until she writes one.

Han: 01:04:20

That's better.

Han: 01:04:21

A couple TTPD ones come close, but yeah.

Han: 01:04:23

Oh my God.

Han: 01:04:24

I just know that he is like vehemently singing along to the bridge of that song while he's wine drunk.

Rachel: 01:04:32

Josh went to the ERAS tour and had a great time.

Rachel: 01:04:36

Okay.

Rachel: 01:04:37

He sang to every single song.

Rachel: 01:04:41

Who did he go with though?

Han: 01:04:43

Maddie.

Rachel: 01:04:44

He would have gone with Maddie, right?

Han: 01:04:46

Yeah, obviously would have gone with Maddie.

Han: 01:04:48

Or I think they would have gone with third option Maddie and Buck.

Han: 01:04:52

That is my headcanon.

Rachel: 01:04:54

Well, like, Maddie would have obviously had to bring Chimney.

Rachel: 01:04:57

Right?

Syl: 01:04:58

And Ji Young.

Rachel: 01:04:59

Oh, and the kids and jihyun.

Rachel: 01:05:02

And like, I feel like May would.

Han: 01:05:04

Have really wanted to go 118 eras tour.

Han: 01:05:09

Oh my God.

Han: 01:05:10

You guys, I need people to talk to us and tell us what you think everyone's ERAS tour outfits would be.

Han: 01:05:17

Because that's very important.

Rachel: 01:05:19

We need to know this.

Han: 01:05:21

We need to know this is important.

Rachel: 01:05:23

Like, if you have art, send us art.

Rachel: 01:05:25

Like if you have to us.

Han: 01:05:27

Like if you have a mood board.

Rachel: 01:05:29

Like.

Rachel: 01:05:30

Oh my God, no.

Han: 01:05:31

Like anything.

Rachel: 01:05:31

Seriously, please.

Han: 01:05:32

I need.

Han: 01:05:32

I need.

Han: 01:05:33

I need to see it.

Rachel: 01:05:33

What would the 118 and the Fire Fam and everyone on 91 1.

Rachel: 01:05:38

What would their eras tour outfits be?

Rachel: 01:05:41

Please send in your answers.

Rachel: 01:05:45

Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, I don't care.

Rachel: 01:05:47

Anywhere.

Rachel: 01:05:48

Email it to us.

Rachel: 01:05:49

I want to know.

Syl: 01:05:51

Bobby wearing a.

Syl: 01:05:52

Who is Taylor Swift anyway?

Rachel: 01:05:56

Bobby would be wearing the Taylor Swift dad shirts, right?

Syl: 01:05:59

Yeah.

Han: 01:06:00

Oh my God.

Rachel: 01:06:00

He won.

Rachel: 01:06:03

Like, choose your favorite one and that's it.

Han: 01:06:05

You can't convince me that Bobby didn't go to Pride with Buck and wear.

Rachel: 01:06:10

A free hug free dad hugs.

Han: 01:06:12

Free dad hugs shirt.

Han: 01:06:13

Anyway.

Han: 01:06:14

100% lover.

Han: 01:06:15

Yeah, I don't know.

Han: 01:06:16

I think Josh would fucking love that album.

Han: 01:06:20

As much as I love that album.

Rachel: 01:06:22

I love that Folklore.

Rachel: 01:06:25

Into folklore.

Syl: 01:06:26

I have Buck here and mostly because.

Syl: 01:06:29

Okay, so again, kind of like what I said earlier in the episode.

Syl: 01:06:32

This was kind of the album that I listen to a lot because I guess it resonated on like these themes where it's like, well, I might as well just.

Syl: 01:06:42

Okay, I'm just gonna just name some songs.

Syl: 01:06:44

Exile, My Tears, Ricochet.

Syl: 01:06:46

I mean, Hoax.

Syl: 01:06:48

I mean, there's just Mirror Ball.

Syl: 01:06:50

Mirror Ball.

Syl: 01:06:52

There's just so many songs here where I'm just Like, yeah, these are a lot Buck, like, just like go down.

Rachel: 01:07:00

The track list and it's like, yeah.

Han: 01:07:02

I don't even have Buck here.

Han: 01:07:03

Like, spoiler alert.

Han: 01:07:06

But he is my secret other option.

Han: 01:07:10

Not a secret cardigan.

Syl: 01:07:12

Like that used cardigan.

Han: 01:07:16

He's pretty much literally every single song on here.

Rachel: 01:07:19

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:07:19

Like, because I also have Buck and I.

Rachel: 01:07:22

And this was the only one I could put him.

Rachel: 01:07:25

I was trying to put again, I was trying to like, you know, experiment, see what else, like, other characters.

Rachel: 01:07:31

Characters would fit.

Rachel: 01:07:32

Because I was like, this is so obviously Buck, but, like, it's.

Rachel: 01:07:35

Because it is like, like every single.

Han: 01:07:40

Song, like, spoiler alert.

Han: 01:07:41

I guess for when we do lyric by lyric is gonna be Buck heavy.

Han: 01:07:45

I mean, so sorry.

Rachel: 01:07:48

Also on this one, we'll probably find.

Rachel: 01:07:51

Try to find some, you know, secret second options as well.

Rachel: 01:07:55

Just to.

Rachel: 01:07:56

Just to make it a little bit more interesting.

Han: 01:07:58

I feel like you guys will.

Han: 01:07:59

I'm gonna say, say I see Buck.

Han: 01:08:01

I says book.

Syl: 01:08:02

No, I actually feel like it's going to be a struggle to find a secret second option for me on.

Syl: 01:08:08

On this one.

Syl: 01:08:09

I don't know.

Han: 01:08:09

I just know that kind of similar to how it was for ttpd, being.

Syl: 01:08:13

As an insecure person.

Syl: 01:08:15

I don't know, like, sad and depressed, feeling like, not really wanted around sometimes.

Syl: 01:08:21

I don't know.

Syl: 01:08:22

Like, that's internally.

Syl: 01:08:24

This is Buck right here.

Rachel: 01:08:26

Yeah.

Han: 01:08:26

I mean, Booker is very much a Love Me Anyway album.

Han: 01:08:29

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:08:29

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:08:30

And.

Rachel: 01:08:30

And I do have, you know, in my typical deep dive, our Jaws of life segments, I always have like, the press articles and everything.

Rachel: 01:08:39

And I have one piece of.

Rachel: 01:08:41

I have one piece of evidence that is like, not just my opinion, our opinion, whatever.

Rachel: 01:08:47

But Oliver Stark did a.

Rachel: 01:08:51

Dude, you knew where I was going with this.

Rachel: 01:08:55

Oliver Stark.

Han: 01:08:55

I just remember the exact wording.

Rachel: 01:08:58

There was a tweet to this.

Rachel: 01:09:00

I didn't find the tweet, but there is an.

Rachel: 01:09:01

There's an article.

Rachel: 01:09:03

Oliver Stark did an interview with Screenrant.

Rachel: 01:09:06

This was from September of: 2022

Rachel: 01:09:09

So this would have been like just before midnights was announced or dropped, I think.

Rachel: 01:09:16

So at one point at the.

Rachel: 01:09:18

At the very end of the article, the interviewer said that this, in this question came from a fan.

Rachel: 01:09:24

The interviewer was curious themselves.

Rachel: 01:09:26

Like, do you think Buck is a Taylor Swift fan?

Rachel: 01:09:29

And Ol.

Rachel: 01:09:29

Stark said, I can see that.

Rachel: 01:09:31

I can see Buck rocking out to some Taylor Swift on the way to work.

Rachel: 01:09:34

I think Buck likes to get a little bit into his feelings.

Rachel: 01:09:38

So maybe the Folklore album.

Rachel: 01:09:40

I know, shocking, right?

Rachel: 01:09:41

So maybe the Folklore Album on the way to work and singing out loud in his car.

Rachel: 01:09:46

I 100% see that.

Rachel: 01:09:48

And then you got confirmation.

Rachel: 01:09:50

Tell them it's official.

Rachel: 01:09:52

So I would also just like to put that into the evidence of Oliver Stark said so.

Rachel: 01:09:58

And that we are all correct here to get into his feelings a little bit.

Rachel: 01:10:06

It's like, yeah, we know.

Han: 01:10:08

No shit.

Rachel: 01:10:09

So just like, as an aside, like a little other fun piece of evidence.

Han: 01:10:15

You don't need evidence.

Han: 01:10:16

You just need ears.

Han: 01:10:19

Everything and reading comprehension.

Rachel: 01:10:23

Everything about this album is just.

Rachel: 01:10:26

That's so Buck, and I love it so much.

Rachel: 01:10:29

So, Han, who did you put?

Han: 01:10:31

So because I couldn't actually put Buck.

Rachel: 01:10:34

On three albums, you were tempted to.

Rachel: 01:10:37

I know.

Han: 01:10:38

I almost gave him two.

Han: 01:10:39

I almost tried to shave Ravi or Josh off.

Han: 01:10:44

I'm so sorry.

Han: 01:10:45

Because I really felt like he really needed to be two, but I played by the rules.

Han: 01:10:50

Obviously, it's Buck, but we're talking about vibes here.

Han: 01:10:56

, really wanted to put him in: 1989

Han: 01:11:12

So then I was like, where would he go?

Han: 01:11:15

And we don't know a lot about Ravi, but, like, he's giving me a little bit hipster vibes and kind of a hipster consensus of people because, like, you know, a multitude of people have become fans of Taylor Swift over the past four years who weren't previously Taylor Swift fans.

Han: 01:11:34

I just meet the criteria before that because I came here for Lover.

Han: 01:11:39

But a big album that got a lot of people into Taylor Swift who didn't like her before was folklore because it was very different sonically and kind of lyrically because it was very much like her trying to, I think, be this was, like, her first foray really into kind of, like a poetic type of cohesive storytelling where, like, they're fictional stories, but they're still very based on her life.

Rachel: 01:12:06

Right.

Rachel: 01:12:06

Didn't she recently say, like, yeah, she was like.

Rachel: 01:12:10

I think.

Rachel: 01:12:10

I think she said at, like, one of the.

Rachel: 01:12:12

One of the tours, like, she was kind of.

Han: 01:12:15

Well, she can say it now that her and Joe are broken up, but it would be super awkward.

Han: 01:12:21

And these are still based on my life.

Rachel: 01:12:23

I think she did kind of own up to saying, like, you know, she was.

Rachel: 01:12:26

Was funneling, like, her life through different characters, and it's like, yeah, we got that.

Han: 01:12:34

We been new, but thanks for telling us.

Han: 01:12:36

I guess so anyway.

Han: 01:12:37

I Think.

Han: 01:12:38

I think this would have been a situation where Robbie thought he was too cool for a Taylor Swift until Folklore came out.

Han: 01:12:44

So I put a Folklore Girly.

Han: 01:12:47

And I really think that this album, like all the albums, runs the emotional gambit, but this is one of the most mature ones, I think, because we have stories all the way from a teenage love affair to, like, divorce.

Han: 01:13:04

So I think that there is a lot of emotionality to get into.

Han: 01:13:09

And I think that Robbie would really enjoy the storytelling of it because he just seems to, like, like, lurk and observe at the 118.

Han: 01:13:22

And I know we have so many headcanons for Robbie in the fandom and in fanfics, but that seems to be a consensus is that he, like, he loves them, but he's trying to, like, maintain a certain degree of, like, separation.

Han: 01:13:38

Separation from, like, the craziness.

Han: 01:13:40

But he loves, like, he loves the drama.

Han: 01:13:43

So I think he would enjoy this album because of that.

Han: 01:13:47

And I also think that, you know, canonically, because of the storylines that we do see him go through of being someone who is new to a really difficult job and feeling, like, really insecure and unsure of themselves to, like, finally seeming to, like, come into his own, only to fall back and be like, question if he belongs there at all.

Han: 01:14:09

So I really think that there are some good songs here for that that maybe he listened to on repeat while he was trying to decide if he should be, you know, if he was doing, like, initially before that incident, if he was, like, you know, trying to hype himself up before work or when he was trying to figure out, like, if he still wanted to do it, things like Mirror Ball, things like, this is me trying would be things that he would really identify with.

Han: 01:14:35

Yeah, I don't know anything about his romantic life.

Rachel: 01:14:39

I don't think we know anything.

Han: 01:14:41

I was like, I thought I did.

Han: 01:14:43

And then I was like, oh, no.

Han: 01:14:44

That's just a thing that people have consistently said in fanfic that, like, are you confusing fic for real life again?

Han: 01:14:51

Yes.

Rachel: 01:14:51

Yes, you are.

Han: 01:14:52

Yes, I am.

Syl: 01:14:54

Just.

Rachel: 01:14:54

Just for us.

Han: 01:14:55

I'm just that he's dating someone from dispatch, but, like, trying to hide it from people.

Han: 01:14:59

I can't remember her name, like, consistently in several fics.

Han: 01:15:03

I have read this.

Rachel: 01:15:04

I haven't seen that.

Rachel: 01:15:05

I see, like, a lot of people shipping him with album.

Han: 01:15:08

I see that too, but obviously that's not on the show.

Han: 01:15:11

So, like, I think the, like, him dating someone in dispatch and, like, Buck or someone finding out about it or Chimney and, like, him being, like, don't tell anyone.

Han: 01:15:18

Like, I'm trying to, like, not have everyone, you know, know how they are.

Han: 01:15:23

They would.

Rachel: 01:15:24

They're all up in everybody.

Han: 01:15:26

Yeah, exactly.

Han: 01:15:28

They would give him such a hard time.

Han: 01:15:29

Out of love, of course.

Han: 01:15:31

But, yeah.

Han: 01:15:31

So I really think.

Han: 01:15:32

I really think he actually would like this album.

Han: 01:15:35

And it's very.

Han: 01:15:36

Again, yeah.

Han: 01:15:37

A hipster album.

Rachel: 01:15:38

I get that.

Han: 01:15:39

The reasons I love it so much.

Rachel: 01:15:41

Those are good reasons.

Han: 01:15:43

Thank you.

Rachel: 01:15:43

It's still.

Rachel: 01:15:44

It's still buck to me, though.

Han: 01:15:46

I can't put anyone else there, but I can't.

Han: 01:15:48

I can't put him in more than one place, or he would have been three albums and Josh and Robbie would not have been here.

Rachel: 01:15:56

Oh, thank you for.

Rachel: 01:15:58

Thank you for including them.

Rachel: 01:16:00

They are all.

Rachel: 01:16:01

They are also here.

Han: 01:16:02

They are also here.

Rachel: 01:16:04

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:16:04

Had to be fair.

Syl: 01:16:05

Evermore or.

Rachel: 01:16:06

Yes.

Syl: 01:16:06

Well, I can't.

Syl: 01:16:10

I can't.

Syl: 01:16:10

I can't go that far.

Han: 01:16:12

It's Evermore.

Han: 01:16:13

Yeah.

Han: 01:16:14

It's like.

Han: 01:16:14

It's really low.

Han: 01:16:15

Perler Register is insane, man.

Han: 01:16:17

I have to have, like, Morning Voice for that.

Syl: 01:16:20

Yeah.

Syl: 01:16:20

I have Robbie here Forevermore, and I've got no reasons for that.

Rachel: 01:16:25

Was he the last one that you.

Syl: 01:16:27

Yeah.

Syl: 01:16:28

Yeah.

Syl: 01:16:28

I can make an argument.

Syl: 01:16:30

I mean, not an argument.

Syl: 01:16:32

I could.

Syl: 01:16:32

I could just be, like, kind of the same thing to what Han was saying about Folklore.

Syl: 01:16:36

I think what I was thinking of was Ravi's.

Syl: 01:16:40

What, canonically, Gen Z.

Syl: 01:16:43

I think so.

Syl: 01:16:43

Pretty sure.

Syl: 01:16:44

And I was wondering.

Syl: 01:16:46

I think when I was, like, making this placement, and it probably didn't really influence my placement of him, but I was, like, kind of wondering.

Syl: 01:16:52

I was like, okay, what are the kids, actually?

Syl: 01:16:55

The kids that are getting into Taylor Swift?

Syl: 01:16:57

Like, what are they listening to.

Han: 01:17:01

What the Streets say?

Syl: 01:17:03

Chat like, it's not gonna be debut.

Syl: 01:17:06

It's not gonna be Fearless speaking now.

Syl: 01:17:09

It's not gonna be.

Syl: 01:17:10

At least I feel like it's not gonna be.

Han: 01:17:11

Any of Kids have recency bias.

Syl: 01:17:13

Yeah.

Syl: 01:17:14

So, I mean, if Robbie, for some reason, got into Taylor Swift pretty late in the game.

Syl: 01:17:19

Yeah, it could be Folklore, but it can also be Evermore, especially kind of came out the same year either way.

Syl: 01:17:26

So I don't know.

Syl: 01:17:27

I guess that kind of just works out.

Rachel: 01:17:28

And then.

Syl: 01:17:29

And then he got into Folklore, and then that.

Syl: 01:17:30

That was probably the one that solidified for him.

Syl: 01:17:33

See?

Syl: 01:17:33

Connecting the dots.

Rachel: 01:17:34

You did it.

Han: 01:17:36

Did it.

Rachel: 01:17:37

Oh, I love that I put Maddie in Evermore.

Rachel: 01:17:41

I mean, Folklore and Evermore are just so connected.

Rachel: 01:17:46

Like, there's so much connective tissue there.

Rachel: 01:17:48

So, I mean, just from that Basis alone.

Rachel: 01:17:52

I feel like it.

Rachel: 01:17:53

It can make sense to have Buck and Maddie, you know, operate in these two albums, but they're like, a lot of the.

Rachel: 01:18:01

A lot of the content of Evermore is, you know, like, I mean, just tolerate it, you know?

Rachel: 01:18:09

I think.

Rachel: 01:18:09

I think I was pinpointing this a little more about, like, Maddie and having to, like, being a survivor and having to, like, endure Doug, like, happiness as well.

Rachel: 01:18:21

I kept thinking about, like, there will be happiness after you.

Rachel: 01:18:24

I know, like, all of the lyrics for that don't necessarily, like, fit perfectly, but I don't know.

Rachel: 01:18:30

I feel like Evermore has this kind of vibe of, like, kind of surviving in the wilderness.

Rachel: 01:18:36

There's a lot of, like, cowboy stuff, which I know, like, can also work for.

Han: 01:18:42

Huh.

Han: 01:18:42

I just.

Han: 01:18:43

You said cow, and then that word was finished, and I was like, sorry, where's she going?

Rachel: 01:18:48

It was extended.

Rachel: 01:18:49

It has a lot of, like.

Syl: 01:18:52

Okay.

Rachel: 01:18:53

It has some, like, cowboy aesthetic.

Han: 01:18:56

Yeah, I know.

Han: 01:18:57

I got you.

Rachel: 01:18:58

Yee Holidness, which, like, cows in the wilderness.

Rachel: 01:19:02

It's the wildest, right?

Rachel: 01:19:04

In the wilderness.

Rachel: 01:19:07

Sorry.

Rachel: 01:19:07

I was at Magic Kingdom earlier today, so.

Rachel: 01:19:10

Thunder Mountain.

Rachel: 01:19:11

So, like, in that same vein, I'm thinking about, you know, like, that element of having to survive in rougher environments and stuff like that.

Rachel: 01:19:23

And to me, specifically, because Buck was so much more folklore, to me, this kind of made sense to put with Maddie and how, like, she is a survivor.

Rachel: 01:19:32

And I think that's.

Rachel: 01:19:33

I think that's how I landed on that.

Rachel: 01:19:35

Closure is also there.

Rachel: 01:19:37

Like, it's time to go.

Syl: 01:19:38

Champagne problems.

Syl: 01:19:39

Maybe I don't remember that song.

Rachel: 01:19:41

Maybe.

Rachel: 01:19:42

I mean, maybe a little bit from, like, a.

Rachel: 01:19:46

Before.

Rachel: 01:19:46

Before she, like, I feel like champagne problems and the last great American dynasty for me are kind of Buck and Maddie coded in terms of, like, them still, like, being at home in Pennsylvania, like, before they left, like, with their parents and everything like that.

Rachel: 01:20:04

That's all I've got at the moment.

Rachel: 01:20:05

That's what I'm feeling with that anyways.

Rachel: 01:20:06

So, like, I would kind of equate those kind of similarly.

Rachel: 01:20:09

I don't know, just, like, folklore.

Rachel: 01:20:10

Evermore Sister albums.

Rachel: 01:20:13

Brother Sister placements.

Rachel: 01:20:15

Makes sense.

Han: 01:20:16

Oh, I can't believe you just got there.

Syl: 01:20:23

What did she say?

Syl: 01:20:24

I did not.

Rachel: 01:20:25

Oh, I said.

Rachel: 01:20:26

I said, like, folklore.

Rachel: 01:20:27

Evermore Sister albums.

Rachel: 01:20:29

I was like, brother, Sister placement.

Han: 01:20:31

Surely she's gonna bring it up.

Rachel: 01:20:32

Makes sense to me.

Rachel: 01:20:34

This was my concluding argument.

Rachel: 01:20:37

I was.

Rachel: 01:20:38

I was building up to it.

Rachel: 01:20:39

Okay.

Rachel: 01:20:40

Because that was the obvious.

Syl: 01:20:42

I was like, there's also murder in this album.

Rachel: 01:20:45

There Is also murder.

Han: 01:20:47

She's got murder and everything after this album.

Han: 01:20:50

Interesting.

Rachel: 01:20:52

That is true.

Han: 01:20:54

Murder.

Rachel: 01:20:55

Murder.

Rachel: 01:20:56

Midnight.

Rachel: 01:20:57

No, we need.

Syl: 01:20:58

Oh, I'm, like, trying to.

Rachel: 01:21:02

I'm sorry.

Han: 01:21:04

I've been sitting here patiently waiting.

Han: 01:21:06

You guys sort the wrong people into this album.

Han: 01:21:08

Okay.

Rachel: 01:21:11

Listen, no one is right.

Rachel: 01:21:14

No one is wrong.

Han: 01:21:16

Sure, but I'm right.

Han: 01:21:18

I'm the most right about this one.

Han: 01:21:20

Talk to the wall.

Han: 01:21:21

Okay.

Han: 01:21:22

Anyway, I'm trying to talk to you.

Rachel: 01:21:25

I'll talk to the wall.

Han: 01:21:26

Okay.

Han: 01:21:27

I really wanted to.

Han: 01:21:29

I really wanted to give Buck Folk more.

Han: 01:21:31

And I tried to reason it by saying, well, she combined them into one set because she was like their sister albums.

Han: 01:21:40

She probably, like, wrote them at the same times, both of them, the two.

Han: 01:21:43

Anyway.

Han: 01:21:43

So, yeah, he's folklore.

Han: 01:21:45

And I had trouble actually letting go of that one, but not as much as I had trouble letting go of red.

Han: 01:21:52

So it came down to red in this one for me.

Han: 01:21:54

And I think I'm going with my recent book storylines.

Han: 01:21:58

And so right now, he is in his ever more era.

Han: 01:22:01

This album for me is about.

Han: 01:22:03

About the pining.

Han: 01:22:05

It's about the pining.

Han: 01:22:06

It's about the.

Han: 01:22:08

It's about the ruminating on all of your relationships and everything that's gone wrong.

Han: 01:22:14

It's ruminating on.

Han: 01:22:16

It's.

Han: 01:22:16

It's a little nostalgic, too.

Han: 01:22:18

A little bit of that throne in there, but it's a.

Han: 01:22:20

It's.

Han: 01:22:20

I think it's one of the most in your own head albums.

Han: 01:22:25

Maybe.

Rachel: 01:22:25

If not, it's up there with Midnights.

Syl: 01:22:28

Oh, God.

Han: 01:22:31

Yeah.

Han: 01:22:31

But he is not Midnight's mom.

Rachel: 01:22:33

No, but like.

Rachel: 01:22:34

Like the amount of that, like, you stuck in your head sort of.

Han: 01:22:37

This is very much like an in your head of all those emotions I'm talking about.

Han: 01:22:41

And that's.

Rachel: 01:22:41

That's.

Han: 01:22:42

That's literally buck to a T.

Han: 01:22:43

So anyway, this is where he's at right now because before he got into his most recent relationship, he.

Han: 01:22:49

He very much was.

Han: 01:22:50

Was looking back on.

Han: 01:22:51

And I think he does this after every, you know, new failed relationship.

Han: 01:22:55

And he looks back and he's like, why does this keep happening?

Han: 01:22:59

Right?

Han: 01:22:59

And he keeps coming back to, like, he's the reason.

Han: 01:23:03

So there's a lot of that on here on this album.

Han: 01:23:07

But there is also a lot of being like, okay, but it's not just me being like, I'm trying.

Han: 01:23:13

Like, I'm throwing myself into these relationships and I'm trying to be all in, and you're just tolerating it.

Han: 01:23:24

Where do I even want to start here?

Han: 01:23:25

Oh, My God.

Han: 01:23:26

So many of these are about Eddie Willow.

Han: 01:23:29

Gold Rush.

Syl: 01:23:31

Gold Rush, yeah.

Han: 01:23:32

Like, from definitely Coney Island.

Syl: 01:23:36

Yep.

Han: 01:23:37

Ivy, A cowboy like me.

Han: 01:23:40

He's my favorite from Evermore.

Han: 01:23:43

Right where you left me.

Rachel: 01:23:46

That one is.

Rachel: 01:23:47

That one is.

Rachel: 01:23:48

Yeah.

Han: 01:23:49

Anyway, so that's why I was very much like, this is where he's at right now.

Han: 01:23:52

Right.

Han: 01:23:53

Even though he's not, like, quite at the time that we're recording this, he's not quite actually fully conscious of that.

Han: 01:23:58

He's already experiencing those emotions, and he has been, but they're just, like, getting more and more towards the surface.

Han: 01:24:06

So, yeah, there's the pining, and then there's also the okay.

Han: 01:24:11

But I've grown enough to know, like, when I deserve better.

Han: 01:24:15

Hopefully by the time this is out, he will have.

Han: 01:24:18

And he will have learned when it's time to go.

Han: 01:24:21

I know, though, that he's sitting staring at that man, thinking about killing him.

Han: 01:24:27

Look at those faces in episode five and tell me he's not murdering him.

Han: 01:24:31

In his mind, he's so fed up.

Han: 01:24:35

What's the opposite of character bleed anyway?

Syl: 01:24:38

No body, no crime.

Han: 01:24:40

I still think it's very, very Buck.

Han: 01:24:42

Right.

Han: 01:24:42

So he's like.

Han: 01:24:43

Because he's trying, but he's like, literally, what is your problem?

Han: 01:24:47

Like, every time you listen to an episode, he's like, what is your problem?

Han: 01:24:50

You knew I was this person when you started dating me.

Han: 01:24:54

Anyway, is there a tweet or something.

Syl: 01:24:56

Where Oliver replied that he likes no body, no crime or something?

Rachel: 01:25:00

Maybe.

Han: 01:25:02

I could have sworn I saw that.

Rachel: 01:25:03

I think so.

Rachel: 01:25:04

I think maybe because I think someone.

Han: 01:25:06

Asked about this on Twitter wouldn't like that song.

Syl: 01:25:09

But, I mean, it's honest, but it.

Syl: 01:25:11

Specifically because of this.

Han: 01:25:14

Yeah.

Han: 01:25:14

So anyway, this is very much where Buck is.

Han: 01:25:18

He's in his pining era.

Rachel: 01:25:20

Do you think that's why she had all of those pine trees for the set?

Han: 01:25:26

Well, it's the winter album, but, yeah, that's hilarious.

Rachel: 01:25:29

I had to throw a pun in here too.

Han: 01:25:31

I don't know why you do that when I have to, even though I know you're joking, give my autistic, literal response.

Rachel: 01:25:40

So shtick.

Han: 01:25:43

I don't know.

Han: 01:25:43

I think Ivy.

Han: 01:25:45

Ivy is the song of Z moment right now, and I Hopefully we're gonna see it be even more once he has these feelings.

Han: 01:25:52

Realizations.

Han: 01:25:55

Are we ready to talk about midnights?

Han: 01:25:58

Midnights.

Rachel: 01:25:59

So the.

Rachel: 01:26:00

These last two, we are unanimous on.

Rachel: 01:26:03

And I think this was one of the first that I tended to think of and never really strayed away from same like some of the others, I was like, no, that's too obvious.

Rachel: 01:26:13

Let me think of something else.

Rachel: 01:26:15

This one, I was just like, I don't need to think anymore.

Rachel: 01:26:18

This is it.

Han: 01:26:19

This is Hen Henrietta.

Rachel: 01:26:22

Henrietta or Hen for Han.

Rachel: 01:26:25

You mentioned, like, Evermore was, like, one of the most in your head albums.

Rachel: 01:26:30

To me.

Rachel: 01:26:30

Midnights is the most, like, ruminating, like, constantly, like, going over things.

Rachel: 01:26:36

I mean, the whole concept of Midnights is, you know, like those 13 sleepless nights sort of thing and just like, very much up in your head about so many different things.

Rachel: 01:26:48

And I think we've.

Rachel: 01:26:49

We've talked about, like, Hen is very, like, she's.

Rachel: 01:26:54

She's logical, but she also, like, she operates internally.

Rachel: 01:26:59

Like, she goes through everything in her head as opposed to, like, externally, like, asking people for advice or, like, confiding in them first.

Rachel: 01:27:10

Like, she goes through it through her head first, and then she, like, looks at other options of stuff.

Rachel: 01:27:16

So to me, that was just.

Rachel: 01:27:17

That was just Midnights.

Syl: 01:27:19

Yeah, I agree with the, like, in, like, the album being very in your head, and she's.

Syl: 01:27:25

I feel like a lot of the things that she does, there's a lot of internal processing, I guess I would say.

Rachel: 01:27:31

Internal processing.

Rachel: 01:27:32

That's a great.

Han: 01:27:33

This way.

Han: 01:27:34

So the difference between this and Evermore, not to say it because it seems kind of obvious, but in case it isn't, is that for Midnights is very much like a taking the thing out and putting it in front of you and just looking at it and reflecting on it in, like, not fully illogical way.

Han: 01:27:53

Not in a science way, but it is more.

Han: 01:27:56

Yeah, like a peer review, but by yourself.

Rachel: 01:28:00

And then Evermore is more like feeling.

Han: 01:28:04

Evermore is literally just like in your feelings almost spiraling at some point.

Han: 01:28:09

It's just like being stuck in your head.

Han: 01:28:11

Right.

Han: 01:28:12

Like, Hen lives there of her own volition, and she does spiral sometimes when she can't get out of her head, but most of the time she's just happy to be there.

Han: 01:28:20

Whereas Buck does need to process things in a healthy way outside of his own head.

Han: 01:28:25

So that's why Evermore is very much more a Buck thing.

Han: 01:28:28

But yeah, for.

Han: 01:28:30

For me, this was just an immediate Hen thing.

Han: 01:28:32

Just, like, sonically, that too.

Han: 01:28:34

This is what I can see her listening to.

Han: 01:28:37

Dancing with Karen and Denny around their house.

Rachel: 01:28:41

Oh, like all of them.

Rachel: 01:28:42

And like, Denny and Mara and, like, dancing to Bejeweled.

Han: 01:28:46

Bejeweled lavender haze.

Han: 01:28:49

Karma.

Rachel: 01:28:50

Karma.

Rachel: 01:28:50

I mean.

Rachel: 01:28:51

I mean, honestly, like, having karma on Midnights, that's automatically gonna make it a Hen Album to me, like, we've had so much emphasis on, like, the idea of karma relating to hen.

Rachel: 01:29:05

Like, that just is what it is like in the show.

Han: 01:29:09

I think a very specific song that pops out to me for her is would've, could have, should've.

Han: 01:29:14

Because it's very much Ava.

Rachel: 01:29:17

Yes.

Han: 01:29:18

Her Looking back at her relationship with Ava, there's so many her and Karen songs on here.

Rachel: 01:29:23

Yes.

Han: 01:29:23

And very much.

Han: 01:29:24

There's so many.

Han: 01:29:26

This might have the most number of songs.

Han: 01:29:28

That's like, I'm actually the best and a badass.

Han: 01:29:32

It's, like, so funny because there's also these, like, really not insecure, but, like, self, like, introspective of being, like, I'm kind of a fuck up.

Han: 01:29:40

But it's also on the other, but also other side of the coin, it's like, also, I'm like, the best and I'm super smart.

Han: 01:29:46

And that just seems like it oozes hen her brand of, like, just, like, swagger and confidence.

Rachel: 01:29:53

Yeah, I think that's a great way to put it.

Rachel: 01:29:56

en't seen since reputation or: 1989

Rachel: 01:30:11

And I feel like hen does embody that.

Syl: 01:30:14

That I also feel like.

Syl: 01:30:15

I also feel like she.

Syl: 01:30:17

She was in her vigilante era a couple of times with, like, Jonah and, like, the Council Woman.

Syl: 01:30:25

So I think that one.

Syl: 01:30:27

That's the one that really also resonated to be her for Midnights.

Rachel: 01:30:33

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

Rachel: 01:30:34

Thank you for saying that.

Syl: 01:30:36

Karma also.

Syl: 01:30:37

Wait, wait, wait.

Syl: 01:30:38

Also, karma and the karma's a bit like.

Syl: 01:30:40

I mean, karma's a bitch.

Syl: 01:30:42

I mean, I know, like, they don't, like, lyrically, it doesn't.

Syl: 01:30:45

The story doesn't really do the conceptually, but conceptually I'm like, oh, yeah.

Rachel: 01:30:50

Anyway, it just makes sense.

Rachel: 01:30:52

Like, we spend so much of talking about hen in season one in regards.

Syl: 01:30:57

To, like, karma is a trick or.

Rachel: 01:31:00

Yeah, karma is a trigger word.

Rachel: 01:31:02

And now, like, anytime we think about karma, we're like, henry, are we ready?

Han: 01:31:08

If you haven't figured it out by now or if you hadn't already figured it out by ever listening to this album Torture.

Han: 01:31:15

Poets Department is about Eddie.

Rachel: 01:31:18

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:31:18

I think this.

Rachel: 01:31:19

Us talking about Eddie in terms of, like, Taylor Swift stuff, like, this is what kind of inspired us to do this little series.

Rachel: 01:31:27

Right.

Rachel: 01:31:27

Because, you know, so I guess when TTPD came out, it was what, like, April 19th so it came out the.

Han: 01:31:35

Week we decided to do the podcast.

Han: 01:31:39

I'm not kidding.

Han: 01:31:40

No, it was because it came out the same week that I was at the wedding, and that was the week that we decided to do the podcast.

Han: 01:31:45

April 19th is the day it came out.

Han: 01:31:47

So April 18th.

Han: 01:31:48

We were listening to it at midnight when it released.

Han: 01:31:51

And I had just gotten back from the wedding.

Rachel: 01:31:54

Okay.

Han: 01:31:55

On this night of the 17th.

Han: 01:31:57

And I had been down at the wedding.

Han: 01:31:59

I think it was the 16th, so.

Rachel: 01:32:01

Right, okay.

Rachel: 01:32:01

Yeah.

Rachel: 01:32:02

So.

Han: 01:32:03

But while I was at my best friend's wedding at the Outer Banks, I got a text from Sil that was like, we have some ideas we got to talk about when you get back.

Han: 01:32:10

And I was like, you're going to have to tell me what it is now, because, like, I hate.

Syl: 01:32:15

I feel like this was a Twitter exchange, because.

Syl: 01:32:18

No, I think Rachel text showed up.

Syl: 01:32:21

Rachel.

Han: 01:32:21

I think it was a.

Han: 01:32:22

I think it was a group text.

Rachel: 01:32:23

Oh, yeah, I think it was.

Han: 01:32:24

Actually.

Han: 01:32:25

We should put this in documents, like, for posterity.

Han: 01:32:27

Anyway, I was like, you know that I have no patience, so you're going to have to tell me what that is.

Han: 01:32:32

Is.

Han: 01:32:32

And you were just like, lol, we're making a podcast.

Han: 01:32:35

Like, it wasn't a question and it was only like four words.

Rachel: 01:32:40

This all happened very quickly.

Rachel: 01:32:42

So I think we all hopped on to watching 911, you know, very soon after Buck Bothered and Bewildered, which was like, April 4th.

Rachel: 01:32:53

So to me, I think tortured poets department is always going to be, like, tied into 911 for me, just because it was like, something brand new and then something brand new.

Rachel: 01:33:05

So, like, they imprinted on each other on my brain.

Rachel: 01:33:08

So, like, I'm always going to associate with it.

Rachel: 01:33:11

And I think, you know, like, as we were watching from, you know, like, season one, we were also very much listening to Torture Poets Department.

Rachel: 01:33:20

And I think very quickly we were like, wait, we can relate this character to this album.

Rachel: 01:33:26

And it just stuck.

Han: 01:33:28

Listen, this came out a couple weeks before the fucking Vertigo storyline started.

Syl: 01:33:33

That's what I was gonna ask.

Syl: 01:33:35

Like, what came out that we were all.

Han: 01:33:37

A couple weeks before that storyline started, in which we very only jokingly came up with a theory in which we were like, eddie's obviously going to be put into a 72 hour old in a psych ward.

Rachel: 01:33:53

We were joking, but we were also like, like, no, that's gonna happen.

Han: 01:33:57

No.

Han: 01:33:58

We were so serious.

Han: 01:34:01

We had, like, that.

Han: 01:34:03

That first episode of that fucking broke us.

Han: 01:34:05

We were talking for like three to four hours, literally just about that.

Han: 01:34:09

After the episode was over.

Han: 01:34:10

And I know Tim Mynier thinks that he rushed that storyline and he wanted another two episodes for it to really breathe.

Han: 01:34:15

And I get it.

Han: 01:34:16

Because of a short season, and we've said that we think it's a good season, but could have used more room to breathe.

Han: 01:34:21

So, like.

Han: 01:34:21

Like, obviously he is smart and he knows that, but I still think it was a great fucking storyline because literally.

Rachel: 01:34:29

It had us on the.

Han: 01:34:30

Stop thinking about it.

Rachel: 01:34:31

It had us on the edge of our seats.

Rachel: 01:34:32

Like, the whole time we were just like, what is happening?

Han: 01:34:37

What's gonna happen next?

Han: 01:34:38

What's gonna do?

Han: 01:34:39

And from the beginning, we were like, christopher can't.

Han: 01:34:41

Christopher can't see her.

Han: 01:34:42

Christopher can't.

Han: 01:34:43

No, no.

Rachel: 01:34:44

So, like, we do have our reaction up on.

Rachel: 01:34:47

Our live reaction to that episode was that Ash's ashes on.

Rachel: 01:34:54

On YouTube and, like, our faces.

Rachel: 01:34:57

Like, sometimes I'll just.

Rachel: 01:34:58

This is weird.

Rachel: 01:34:59

But sometimes I'll just go back and, like, rewatch that little clip, you know, when.

Rachel: 01:35:02

When, like, Marisol and Christopher are, like, coming in and they're seeing, like, Eddie and Kim and we're all just, like, absolutely dying.

Han: 01:35:12

Jail.

Han: 01:35:13

Just, like, 20 times you yelled.

Rachel: 01:35:17

You yelled so many times.

Syl: 01:35:20

I'm like, the.

Rachel: 01:35:21

I started choking on air.

Han: 01:35:24

Like, you screamed.

Rachel: 01:35:26

You were like.

Han: 01:35:27

Like, dog whistle level.

Rachel: 01:35:30

Yeah.

Han: 01:35:31

Like, pitch level of screaming.

Syl: 01:35:32

Surprised.

Syl: 01:35:33

We didn't.

Syl: 01:35:33

You didn't activate the need for the inhaler.

Rachel: 01:35:37

For real.

Rachel: 01:35:39

Yeah.

Han: 01:35:39

But anyway, yeah.

Han: 01:35:40

So, I mean, she has a whole.

Han: 01:35:43

What is it?

Han: 01:35:44

The, like, intro to this album that she did.

Han: 01:35:47

What's it called?

Han: 01:35:48

She wrote a thing.

Han: 01:35:48

What the fuck is it called?

Han: 01:35:51

Hold on.

Rachel: 01:35:53

Like, a prologue or.

Syl: 01:35:55

I think it was a prologue.

Han: 01:35:57

Yeah, Prologue poem.

Han: 01:35:59

But then she also did, like, a written thing.

Han: 01:36:01

But basically in those things, she's explaining that, like, I'm not going to read the whole thing, but she starts it off.

Han: 01:36:06

At this hearing, I stand before my fellow members of the Torture Poets department, the summary of my findings being, like, here is, I went crazy.

Han: 01:36:13

But, like, here's why.

Rachel: 01:36:16

So.

Han: 01:36:16

But just, like, come with me on this journey.

Han: 01:36:19

Just, like, understand.

Han: 01:36:20

But just, like, understand that I knew I was crazy.

Rachel: 01:36:23

Oh, hang on.

Rachel: 01:36:24

You first say.

Rachel: 01:36:25

Say that again.

Rachel: 01:36:26

Understand that you knew I was crazy.

Han: 01:36:29

I just need you to understand that I know that this was crazy.

Han: 01:36:33

Okay.

Rachel: 01:36:35

She really said, I'm gonna hold your hand while I tell you this.

Han: 01:36:38

Yes.

Han: 01:36:40

That's a whole poem that basically just means that.

Syl: 01:36:44

So.

Han: 01:36:44

Yeah, because I think that's just a great way of, like, summarizing, like, how whole 7B now into 8 is is going for.

Han: 01:36:53

For Eddie, which is very much that he had experienced a mental break, you could say from literally trauma after trauma from the moment that we've met him, but also the trigger of when he was like, I'm gonna blow up my entire fucking life.

Rachel: 01:37:12

Yep.

Han: 01:37:13

From episode five.

Syl: 01:37:14

Oh, my God.

Han: 01:37:16

So.

Rachel: 01:37:19

I mean, episode five of season seven.

Syl: 01:37:21

Don't blame him.

Syl: 01:37:23

You really dating that hag?

Han: 01:37:25

Love made him crazy.

Han: 01:37:27

Literally broke his fucking brain anyway.

Han: 01:37:31

It broke his little brain.

Han: 01:37:32

And instead of doing what like they normally do when, like, one of them is dating another person, they're like, that's fine.

Han: 01:37:37

I'll just go be in a relationship too.

Han: 01:37:38

Because.

Han: 01:37:38

Because you're now emotionally cheating.

Han: 01:37:40

I'm emotionally cheating.

Rachel: 01:37:43

We're in it together.

Han: 01:37:47

Yeah, but this time he was like, wait, but wait, that's an option.

Han: 01:37:53

Well, I can't explore why that makes me so uncomfy and jealous, so I'm gonna go blow up my life about it instead of.

Rachel: 01:38:02

We're not gonna.

Rachel: 01:38:03

We don't have time to unpack all that.

Han: 01:38:05

Like, basically.

Rachel: 01:38:08

So I'm going to do something absolutely super destructive to my own life and relationship.

Rachel: 01:38:15

And just like all relationships.

Rachel: 01:38:17

And if that's not the vibe of ttpd, I don't know what else is.

Han: 01:38:23

So just like how I said Evermore is like, where Buck is right now.

Han: 01:38:26

This is where Eddie is right now.

Han: 01:38:29

Tis not a good place.

Rachel: 01:38:31

No, we're very concerned.

Han: 01:38:34

And also, like, this is an intervention.

Rachel: 01:38:36

This is an intervention.

Rachel: 01:38:39

Yeah, like, just.

Rachel: 01:38:42

Just points to entire album.

Syl: 01:38:45

It's like, I feel like there's, like, no explanation needed.

Syl: 01:38:48

But we're gonna do.

Han: 01:38:49

There will be no explanation, only the edification.

Syl: 01:38:54

Just this man right here, the embodiment.

Syl: 01:38:58

The embodiment of Titi.

Han: 01:38:59

Listen.

Han: 01:39:00

And like, like when we.

Han: 01:39:01

When we do the whole album for the song by song, just know that, like, we had to try really hard to make not.

Han: 01:39:08

Not all three quarters of these songs about him.

Rachel: 01:39:10

Which.

Han: 01:39:11

What's new?

Rachel: 01:39:13

If you know us at all, you.

Han: 01:39:16

Know that we have a.

Han: 01:39:18

A gift, a special talent for making everything about anything about Eddie.

Rachel: 01:39:23

And you know what?

Rachel: 01:39:24

He deserves it.

Han: 01:39:25

He does, you know, know.

Syl: 01:39:27

So do I.

Han: 01:39:28

So do we.

Han: 01:39:30

I mean, let's just call out some great greatest hits here.

Syl: 01:39:33

Like the number one, guilty Asin, the.

Rachel: 01:39:37

Eddie Diaz national anthem.

Rachel: 01:39:40

Just all of us, like, shaking our heads.

Rachel: 01:39:42

Just like the whole thing.

Rachel: 01:39:44

The whole thing is Eddie.

Han: 01:39:46

Like, it is but guilty of sin.

Han: 01:39:48

Yet that's.

Han: 01:39:49

That is one of the biggest ones.

Han: 01:39:52

A loss of my life.

Han: 01:39:54

There's.

Han: 01:39:55

Listen, there's so much Like.

Han: 01:39:56

Like unpacking religious trauma.

Han: 01:40:00

Yes.

Han: 01:40:00

In this album, again, either she wrote this about Eddie or they're on, like, the same.

Han: 01:40:06

They were on the same journey.

Rachel: 01:40:09

Twin journey.

Han: 01:40:10

Both unpacking gender norms and compet.

Rachel: 01:40:14

And it's just like.

Rachel: 01:40:16

It's wild how many similarities there are here.

Rachel: 01:40:20

And it's just like.

Rachel: 01:40:20

Okay, are you.

Rachel: 01:40:21

Are we sure that she hasn't watched the show?

Rachel: 01:40:24

Because sometimes it's just, like.

Rachel: 01:40:25

Like scary how, like, accurate or.

Rachel: 01:40:30

Or, like, applicable some of these things are.

Rachel: 01:40:32

And it's just like.

Rachel: 01:40:33

I don't know how she does it, but yeah.

Han: 01:40:36

To hear more about how a lot of these songs are about Eddie, you'll have to tune into our next episode.

Han: 01:40:42

And the next episode.

Han: 01:40:43

The next two episodes are going to be ttpd.

Han: 01:40:48

We split it into two episodes because it's basically two albums.

Han: 01:40:53

So that way you don't have to listen to an extremely long episode of us talking about how Taylor Swift loves Eddie Diaz, which is.

Rachel: 01:41:00

Which would not be out of the norm for us.

Han: 01:41:03

So Happy Thanksgiving.

Han: 01:41:05

If you are in the US and even if you aren't, we just want to say that we're thankful for all of you for listening to us in our Sometimes silly, sometimes serious.

Rachel: 01:41:16

Mostly mostly a little bit of both.

Syl: 01:41:19

And a lot of silly.

Han: 01:41:20

Yeah.

Han: 01:41:20

Hopefully always entertaining little podcast.

Han: 01:41:23

We have so much fun doing this.

Han: 01:41:25

We obviously already loved each other.

Han: 01:41:28

We're very good friends.

Han: 01:41:29

We just really love doing this.

Han: 01:41:31

Putting it out there and being able.

Rachel: 01:41:33

To share it with everyone who's listening.

Han: 01:41:35

It's just so much fun.

Han: 01:41:37

So thank you for encouraging us to continue doing it.

Rachel: 01:41:40

Thank you so much.

Syl: 01:41:41

Yep.

Syl: 01:41:41

Thank you.

Rachel: 01:41:42

We really appreciate all of the.

Rachel: 01:41:44

I guess, kind of, like, encouragement that we've been getting and, like, acceptance putting these things out and hope you continue to enjoy, because we're going to continue to enjoy making it.

Rachel: 01:41:56

So.

Han: 01:41:57

So, yeah, this was our first Taylor Swift and definitely not our last Taylor Swift special.

Rachel: 01:42:03

Absolutely not.

Han: 01:42:03

For Christmas, we had the first part of ttpd.

Han: 01:42:06

Yeah, we can't wait to tell you how crazy Eddie Diaz is.

Han: 01:42:11

Not that you don't know if you had any doubts.

Rachel: 01:42:15

Well, you sure won't when you hear.

Han: 01:42:17

It next after that episode.

Rachel: 01:42:20

Remember, don't listen to Taylor Swift and think about 911 characters, but if you.

Han: 01:42:25

Do, take a buddy with you.

Han: 01:42:27

Thank you for listening to the Buddy System podcast from start to finish.

Syl: 01:42:31

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Rachel: 01:42:37

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Rachel: 01:42:41

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Rachel: 01:42:45

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Han: 01:42:45

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Han: 01:42:51

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Syl: 01:42:56

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Rachel: 01:43:02

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Rachel: 01:43:04

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