I'm Still Standing (Season 2 Wrap)
Don’t you know the 118’s still standing better than they ever did? Looking like true survivors, feeling like little kids.
This week, Han, Cil, and Rachel map out the emotional journey of all our favorite characters in Season 2 of 9-1-1! We explore how grief, loss, and trauma shape each character’s arc and how they cope with their pasts while trying to forge their futures.
We highlight the clever parallels between different character’s storylines and how they reflect the overarching themes of ‘finding your path’ and ‘having each other’s backs’.
We discuss the impact of key moments and episodes that live in our minds rent free, from LSD hijinx to confronting the ghosts of your past, proving that 9-1-1 isn't just a procedural but a character-driven drama.
The addition of Maddie and Eddie expanded and enriched the found family dynamics we fell in love with throughout Season 1. Buck’s struggles with being abandoned… again and we dissect how his relationship with Eddie opens up a brand new path in his story.
We hypothesize on ‘What If’ scenarios, taking a look at the butterfly effect of a single choice. And don’t miss out on the new fears this season unlocked in us!
Hop in the fire engine (just not the Captain’s seat) as we look back on Season 2 and how Bobby, Athena, Buck, Eddie, Hen, Chimney, and Maddie choose their lives as first responders with passion and purpose, time and time again.
📔 Articles Mentioned
📰 ‘9-1-1’ Boss on Bobby & Athena’s Big Moment & Buck’s ‘Perilous’ Position in the Season 2 Finale, TV Insider
📰 9-1-1 EP Tackles Those Romantic Finale Twists, Teases Buck’s Season 3 ‘Crisis’, TV Line
📰 ‘9-1-1’ Scoop: Drama Returns With Maddie in Peril and Eddie on the Move?, TV insider
📔 Fanworks Mentioned:
📚 I’m Not Breathing Unless I’m Giving You CPR, by letmetellyouaboutmyfeels on Archive of Our Own
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Chapters
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:16) General Thoughts
(00:13:03) Bobby and Athena
(00:20:32) Chimney
(00:27:48) Maddie
(00:31:35) Buck
(00:38:29) Eddie
(00:41:27) Deconstruction of Eddie's Carefully Constructed Facade
(00:51:22) Favorite Season 2 Episodes
(00:55:42) Our Top Tier Moments from Season 2
(01:07:29) New Fears Unlocked!
(01:09:33) Season Themes
(01:15:06) What If Buck Didn’t Get Injured
(01:19:55) What If Shannon Lived
(01:24:28) What If Abby Came Back for Buck
(01:29:30) What if Whatta Man Wasn’t Eddie’s Intro
(01:31:49) What if Doug Didn’t Die
(01:36:52) What if Abby Had Been Clear About Breakup
(01:41:33) What if Buck Saw Doug at Christmas Tree Lot
(01:46:17) What if Buck Was There When Chim Got Stabbed
(01:47:38) Into the Looking Glass
(01:52:44) Outro & Take a Buddie With You
Transcript
Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?
Speaker B:A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.
Speaker C:This is the Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DMed each other enough character dissertations to earn a PhD in media literacy.
Speaker A:I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.
Speaker B:I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.
Speaker C:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
Speaker A:With our powers combined, no stone is.
Speaker C:Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.
Speaker C:This week we discuss where the characters of 911 start and end season two, along with individual highlights and things to keep in mind that are relevant or paralleled in upcoming seasons.
Speaker A:Our favorite episodes moments, and what new fears this season unlocked in us.
Speaker B:And what if scenarios where one change could have far reaching aftershocks.
Speaker C:Ooh.
Speaker A:Ooh ooh ooh.
Speaker B:Hey, Alexa, play Waterman.
Speaker A:Are you so crazy?
Speaker A:I think I want to have your baby.
Speaker C:Welcome to the Buddy system.
Speaker A:So what did we think about the season as a whole?
Speaker C:I can't believe we're finally at the end of season two, because I remember when we were watching season one, we were like, when season two happening, and this is almost twice as long, and it feels like we've been covering it for a long time, but also like no time at all.
Speaker C:Wibbly, wobbly, timey, wimey stuff.
Speaker C:I love this season so much.
Speaker C:I feel like there was so much to dig into with parallels, and that's next season.
Speaker A:What digging into with our bare hands?
Speaker A:Listen, I get to make one every now and then.
Speaker B:I'm surprised I even made one then.
Speaker C:You can't get mad at me when I end up derailing and not knowing where my thought went.
Speaker A:Anyway, so what was your thought on the season?
Speaker B:My thought on the season?
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It was an explosive season.
Speaker B:It was leg crushing.
Speaker B:It was show stopping.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:There was chickens.
Speaker B:There was chickens involved.
Speaker A:Was it rip your shirt off exciting?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, it was.
Speaker B:I mean, okay, overall.
Speaker B:I mean, it's a great.
Speaker B:It's a great season.
Speaker B:I mean, we get the introduction of, you know, two characters.
Speaker B:We get Maddie and we get Eddie.
Speaker B:I was going to say something else, but I couldn't think of something.
Speaker C:Proper name backstory stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah, basically you look into the middle distance.
Speaker B:You're like, no, no, no, I.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What I meant was I was gonna make a joke about his name, but I couldn't even think of one because I guess I said Eddie.
Speaker B:So there.
Speaker B:There we go, that's.
Speaker B:That's what happened.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it was.
Speaker B:It was hair pulling.
Speaker B:You're like thinking about what I'm talking about.
Speaker B:I'm talking about the guy with his hair, like the long hair.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What else?
Speaker B:I mean, that it.
Speaker C:That it was a.
Speaker C:A lot of fun getting to explore more depth with characters that we already have gotten to know in the first 10 episodes of season one and.
Speaker C:And see kind of how they grow and how it operates when you put more like, more characters into the mix to create that, like, real.
Speaker C:The ensemble that we know and love today.
Speaker A:Well, to bounce off of.
Speaker A:I think what Sil said for the season one wrap where she said, season one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You said no Eddie.
Speaker A:Boo.
Speaker C:Oh, I was like, eddie, yay.
Speaker A:Those are my general thoughts on this season because he's one of the characters of all time for sure.
Speaker A:He was sorely missed in season one and, you know, obviously getting to know him and Christopher and seeing the relationship grow between him and Buck is just a fucking delight from the get go.
Speaker A:And I have really enjoyed, really digging in.
Speaker A:I've much more enjoyed rewatching multiple times this season than last season.
Speaker A:And that's one of the big reasons.
Speaker A:And also just because I think this is a better season in general.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:We get introduced to Matti.
Speaker A:Love her.
Speaker A:She is who I have aspired my whole life to be as an older sister, which is just a menace in the best way.
Speaker A:Yeah, I kind of love everyone's arcs this season.
Speaker A:We get our begins episodes, which are great and I just think this is a great season.
Speaker A:But like, overall, Eddie, yay.
Speaker B:Eddie, yay.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:Even though Eddie very sad face because his wife is dead and his best friend was just crushed by a ladder truck.
Speaker C:Eddie, not yay.
Speaker C:We are yay.
Speaker A:Eddie not yay.
Speaker A:But we are yay about Eddie.
Speaker A:And that's why our show is so Buck coded.
Speaker C:You didn't know.
Speaker C:Now you do.
Speaker A:Now you know.
Speaker B:Anyway, this is why we love to talk about how things affect Buck.
Speaker B:It's all about him.
Speaker A:Except when we're about Eddie.
Speaker B:Except when we're about Eddie.
Speaker A:Or when we're about Buck and Eddie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or about how the other characters arcs affect Buck or Eddie or Buck and Eddie.
Speaker B:It's crazy how we're still going the.
Speaker C:Rest of the 118s but the season two wrap.
Speaker A:So we have a new thing we're doing for this season wrap, which is just a very short little segment where we talk about we reward some superlatives which if you ever have gone to school.
Speaker A:Why is that a thing?
Speaker C:I was gonna say we hope you've gone to school.
Speaker A:If you've gone to school or if you've watched things about people going to school, this is a thing they normally put, like, in yearbooks, like in high school.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like class clown and Most Likely to Succeed.
Speaker A:You know, that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:But we're more creative with it.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Like, the whole Most Likely to Succeed, that should give you a complex, right?
Speaker C:That's like setting you up for failure.
Speaker C:And then you show up to the reunion and you're like, I've made nothing of my life.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker A:So our first superlative is most likely to be broken up with on a couch, which goes to Buck.
Speaker A:I know this is shocking information.
Speaker C:Do we clap?
Speaker C:This is like a war presentation.
Speaker A:Not the first time he's been broken up with on a couch.
Speaker A:It's not the last time.
Speaker C:And if you'd like to hear more about that, we have a whole couch theory episode just for you.
Speaker C:All right, next up, we have Most likely to internalize the guilt of their dead wife goes to Eddie.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:Golf claps.
Speaker C:Golf claps.
Speaker B:And lastly, most scorching firefighter in the hot days, smoldering nights, men of the LAFD wall calendar goes to chimney.
Speaker A:Actually April.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:April.
Speaker A:So I think this leads us to our character arc highlights, which is kind of the opposite of what we normally do because we're looking at it from just like a zoomed out instead of our very micro zoomed in character analysis that we normally do.
Speaker A:So I think we're going to start with Hen and Karen.
Speaker B:Okay, so Hen.
Speaker B:I mean, honestly, I mean, we do have an episode in season two called Mary Xmas, but honestly, it.
Speaker B:It really did start with Hen.
Speaker B:The ghost of Xmas past started with her.
Speaker B:So it did start with her.
Speaker C:Yeah, it did.
Speaker C:It did.
Speaker A:She brought the curse upon the rest of the season actually start.
Speaker A:She brought the curse starting with last season.
Speaker C:It all goes back to that full moon.
Speaker C:Curse of the moon.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Now really, when you think about it, that whole.
Speaker B:That episode.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I'm thinking about Buck and Abby now, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's the only one that can blame the moon, though.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Only Cancers can actually blame the moon.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Only people with cancer placements can be like, the moon made me did it.
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker A:Anyway, so not.
Speaker A:Not a ton of, like, stuff to dig into for them this season, but that will change for next season.
Speaker A:But basically, the whole arc for them this season is just about, like, re.
Speaker A:Solidifying their relationship.
Speaker A:Yeah, their relationship and them as a family unit and, you know, kind of going through the stuff with Ava, trying to shake things up once, like, things.
Speaker A:Yeah, once things had, like, finally kind of evened back out.
Speaker A:And then we end the season on a way better note than last season for them because they decided to expand their family.
Speaker C:So it does kind of come, like, full circle for.
Speaker C:For them, like, from the end of season one to the end of season two.
Speaker C:Like, they are in a much better place.
Speaker C:And it's just like.
Speaker C:I think it's kind of like you see the fruits of Hen's labor for fighting for her family.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because you have Earthquake Eva coming in and shaking things up.
Speaker C:Uh, and then Hen finds that, you know, equilibrium.
Speaker C:Especially.
Speaker A:Especially, like, why don't we name Earth Cape Wakes.
Speaker A:Sorry, continue.
Speaker A:We name hurricanes and fight.
Speaker B:Maybe because there's too many after.
Speaker B:After shock.
Speaker B:Maybe it'd be too hard to.
Speaker C:It's probably hard to, like, differentiate between.
Speaker C:So I think Earthquake Eva Ch.
Speaker C:Making things up and how Hen and Karen have reestablished, like, that equilibrium and that partnership that we saw that was already established, like, coming into season one.
Speaker C:So I think they're, like, just to highlight a couple, like, big points of Hen and Karen's arcs.
Speaker C:So we see kind of how far Hen has come in pursuing her calling because she was the first Begins episodes.
Speaker C:So we were privy to, like, how that really came to be.
Speaker C:And kind of, obviously, one of the other highlights of their arc is at the very end, deciding to expand their family, especially after they spent so long trying to fight to get it back together.
Speaker C:And then just a couple things that we'd like to note are maybe super important for later things to keep in mind as we going into, like, season three or beyond is Han and Karen deciding to expand their family kind of ad nauseum.
Speaker C:And how that, like, how that decision that they made at the end of season two kind of, like, reaches throughout.
Speaker C:So, like, the rest of the seasons, even up through season eight, literally not.
Speaker A:Set free until season eight.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And we have to go through a lot for that.
Speaker C:For.
Speaker C:Yeah, for them to.
Speaker C:To finally, like, get the family that they have been trying for or wanting or desiring.
Speaker B:I just want to add, and I hope I'm right, when I wrote, I was like, yeah.
Speaker B:So one of Hen's pivotal episodes is also, like, when she was battling with that whole, like, moral questioning, questioning morals about, like, pulling the plug on her dad.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I just want to say 911.
Speaker B:I didn't have to see A horse die for that.
Speaker B:That's all I wanted to say.
Speaker A:Honestly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Could have done without.
Speaker B:Thank you, 911, for giving me more trauma.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I mean, I think there was some character growth that, you know, that she carries on with her, especially, like, we're gonna see in season three with that whole life.
Speaker B:Life or death.
Speaker B:The choice of.
Speaker B:Well, just.
Speaker B:Just how.
Speaker B:How she, like, really cares for any living person and creatures.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a recurring theme for her character.
Speaker A:Yeah, she loves animals.
Speaker C:Yeah, she does.
Speaker A:All right, so I think this leads us to Bobby and Athena this season.
Speaker A:Bobbi and Athena, it's very much, again, like, with Hen and Karen, it's all about their relationship, which we saw start at the end of season one.
Speaker A:And then when we start season two, they're very much, like, established, but they're keeping it a secret and trying to keep it under their wraps in private.
Speaker A:And then somehow we come full circle with that because they come out, so to speak, as a couple.
Speaker A:They become very serious about each other, they get engaged, and then they get married.
Speaker C:Privately, I thought that was a really interesting cyclical story for them because you have, like, them keeping their relationship aspects or, like, their entire relationship private for different reasons at the beginning of the season.
Speaker C:It's kind of, like a secret, like, just for them, because Athena is grappling with all of those feelings of, you know, potential failure coming off of her divorce with Michael, and how she and Bobby were kind of on different planes of thought in that way, because Bobby thought it was a triumph of her for getting back out there and.
Speaker C:And finding Joy, and she didn't see it that way.
Speaker C:And then to have them both be so much on the same page with their relationship, with choosing each other and having their wedding be a private ceremony, but it's not, like, private in shame.
Speaker C:It's private like a this is just for us sort of thing.
Speaker C:Like, because they don't care about the outside pressures, societal opinions, or anything like that.
Speaker C:So I thought that.
Speaker C:I thought that was really lovely and well done.
Speaker C:And, like, looking through the season, you can see that subtle growth, I think.
Speaker C:So in.
Speaker C:In that way, we kind of wanted to highlight aspects of both Bobbi and Athena's arcs separately, because a lot of their arc is together.
Speaker C:But one of the things we enjoyed most about Bobby's character arc is him allowing himself to love and be loved by a family, which would be both the grants and the 118 by, you know, just, like, really opening himself up.
Speaker C:Everybody knows now about, you know, what happened in St.
Speaker C:Paul, like, most of the skeletons in his closet have kind of been unearthed.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And the.
Speaker C:The family that he's created still love him, and he's able to allow himself to.
Speaker C:To be loved.
Speaker C:So, like, kind of letting.
Speaker C:Not that he ever really lets fully lets go of that guilt of everything, but, like, he allows himself to truly live now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he have stuff to live for.
Speaker C:He has people to live for.
Speaker C:And then similarly, Athena, again, they're kind of like on the same beats.
Speaker C:She allows herself to open up and be vulnerable in order to build a relationship.
Speaker C:So she built up so much wall with the fallout of her and Michael's relationship from the last season.
Speaker C:And she's just trying to, you know, similar to Bobby, like, get back into a place where she can allow herself to love and be loved.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's very, like, parallel.
Speaker C:They're on the same page there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I.
Speaker A:I think it's for different reasons.
Speaker C:It's similar themes for them or similar journeys, but the.
Speaker C:The details are different.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because for her, it was very much a.
Speaker A:Her wanting to protect herself from ever feeling that kind of pain again.
Speaker A:And for Bobby, it was very much not thinking he deserved it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And not allowing himself to be loved.
Speaker C:So it's like they really had to go on this.
Speaker C:These, like, parallel journeys of self growth in order to come together.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I love that for them too.
Speaker A:And then just a couple things to keep in mind going forward post haste.
Speaker A:Coming up real soon, the beginning of season three, we have one of my favorite arcs, which is the lawsuit arc.
Speaker A:And that all very much starts with.
Speaker C:Bobby begins and looking at this flash.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:With Bobby begins again.
Speaker A:And really looking at what happened with him in Minnesota when everything happened with his family and how he was benched and he was begging to come back to work and he went back before he was ready.
Speaker C:And, you know, and how that may.
Speaker C:He may try to do something similar slash different when the shoe is on the other foot.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But how he's projecting that onto Buck because he sees Buck trying to come back before he thinks Buck is ready.
Speaker A:So it's a lot of what happens in this last, like, quarter.
Speaker A:Third, Season two.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is so.
Speaker A:So echoing still in the first quarter of season three.
Speaker A:Season three.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:They really do a good job of not only setting things up and following through for this season, but kind of like setting things up to follow through, like, inter.
Speaker C:Seasonally.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then we also see.
Speaker A:Because we get a peek into why Athena originally wanted to become a cop in New Beginnings.
Speaker C:New Beginnings.
Speaker C:Why Didn't I always forget new beginnings?
Speaker A:She's having that conversation with her mother in her bedroom.
Speaker A:We kind of see then in season three what then becoming a cop led to when we get Athena begins.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:And even looking further.
Speaker C:Then we'll revisit this again in the beginning of season six.
Speaker C:They've built such a solid backstory that it's really interesting to then be able to go into it in further detail seasons down the line.
Speaker C:And just, like, that consistency there, it's really cool.
Speaker C:And it all kind of comes back to this, like, season two stuff, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm just reading what I wrote at, like, 2:00am last week.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Chimney.
Speaker B:My sweet prince.
Speaker B:He has no prospects.
Speaker B:No, I was on, like, something.
Speaker C:No, I love these notes.
Speaker C:They're so nice.
Speaker B:I have Bobby Eddie, my boy.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, he's so hufflepuffy that he didn't see through Doug's red flags.
Speaker C:RIP.
Speaker B:These are incredible.
Speaker C:Anyway, he gets stabby while he's on.
Speaker B:His way to Maddie for the first date.
Speaker B:Sad.
Speaker A:While he's on the date.
Speaker C:Sad.
Speaker C:But he's okay.
Speaker B:He's got nine lives.
Speaker B:Let's fucking go.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So chimney.
Speaker B:My sweet prince.
Speaker B:He has no prospects.
Speaker B:He started off.
Speaker B:I mean, he's fresh out the hospital slammer after his rebar incident.
Speaker B:His girlfriend left him.
Speaker B:But, hey, he was able to get some closure after he just.
Speaker B:After a checkup, he got to see her again, and they had amicable closure meeting.
Speaker A:But honestly, like, an exit interview.
Speaker C:Please complete the survey.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:This is the comedy ad.
Speaker B:And now we're going to go back a little bit serious.
Speaker B:In the process of, like, really building more confidence in himself, he entered to be on that.
Speaker B:The hot firefighter calendar.
Speaker C:Well, hen entered him.
Speaker B:Well, he wanted to enter.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Do you want to rephrase that?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Wait, I said hot fire.
Speaker B:Fire calendar.
Speaker B:Was that for.
Speaker B:That was for her, right?
Speaker A:Y.
Speaker C:Every single sentence is coming out.
Speaker C:I can't even get out.
Speaker C:Nothing is working.
Speaker A:I think we broke Rachel.
Speaker A:I think she's got to turn her off and back on again.
Speaker B:She needs a reset button.
Speaker B:Like, like, she needs the Spanish reset button.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Like buzz light.
Speaker A:So chimney.
Speaker A:We start out the season and he is, you know, coming fresh off, like, lying his ass off for the entire first season.
Speaker A:We see him kind of go through this journey where he, like, slowly builds his self confidence, starting with being Mr.
Speaker A:April in the firefighter calendar.
Speaker A:And he's still doing his, like, his bravado thing, but it's reading less insecure and less like a mask and more just like his actual humor and confidence that we have come to know and love, like over all of the seasons that we have seen him in.
Speaker A:So he's finding more like authenticity in being himself.
Speaker A:And not just with the 118, but especially with Matty, which I feel like that relationship, he is able to fully be himself, which is like a first for him, but also that he's able to be the most himself that he is with anyone.
Speaker A:Yes, probably other than Henry.
Speaker A:So, you know, there's that relationship and then his interim captain Hyundai's were stressful and bumpy, but I think that ultimately really built his confidence to know that, like he could do the job even if he doesn't ultimately like it.
Speaker A:And, you know, it's just a really good season for him because it's just worlds different from where he was in season one.
Speaker A:And he's just being himself and he's establishing this beautiful relationship with Maddie.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think.
Speaker C:I think the authenticity thing is one of the highlights of his arc, especially because we get to see the Chimney Begins.
Speaker C:So we see kind of like a fast tracked way of how Chimney operated, like being on, like trying to overcompensate, especially with Chimney Begins and to compare that to where he is in present day.
Speaker C:And I think also that him being interim captain helped solidify his.
Speaker C:It solidified how authentic or how he wanted to lean into his true self because he was grappling like he was grappling with that of how to be like the friend, but also the authority figure and how to balance that.
Speaker C:And I think so much of him this season really found that balance.
Speaker C:So I think that was a highlight as well as, you know, just.
Speaker C:Just being himself and giving the time and space to foster a friendship foundation that is able to lead to Maddie's Maddie as his romantic partner.
Speaker C:But like equal partnership.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because it's such a give and take with them.
Speaker C:And that doesn't happen if he's not being him himself because that's who Maddie loves and Chimney has to love first too.
Speaker C:Do we have two.
Speaker C:One or two things that are super important?
Speaker A:I mean, actually, yeah.
Speaker A:Chimney Begins is going to be very relevant in season six because we're going to see Eli again.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:But also I think season three.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Is when we get introduced to Albert.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker C:So that again, stemming from Chimney Begins.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And which we do know that he has a brother.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Like a brother brother.
Speaker C:And like a much younger brother.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Who is his dad's favorite, apparently.
Speaker C:So for now, until he wants to be Just like, chimney.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker C:We came up with stuff.
Speaker A:Did you have more chimney stuff to read?
Speaker B:No, I don't got anything, honestly.
Speaker B:Except, I mean, he got stabbity, dabbity.
Speaker C:Highlight, highlight.
Speaker C:Stabbity dabity.
Speaker B:Listen, he's.
Speaker B:He got.
Speaker B:What else can we say about chimney?
Speaker B:He's got nine lives.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:I mean, he got stabbed, and he still survived that after rebar.
Speaker C:How many lives has he used?
Speaker A:He is just rebar.
Speaker C:Stabbed, stabbed.
Speaker A:He's running out of them swiftly with encephalitis.
Speaker B:Yeah, he got.
Speaker A:He gets stabbed again.
Speaker C:Stabbed again in six.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, the ambulance.
Speaker C:Inside the ambulance.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:He is beheading Dean Winchester.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:He so is.
Speaker C:Like, when people ask who would.
Speaker C:You know, who would win in a fight, and they put up, like, chimney versus Dean Winchester.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you think, oh, it's gonna be Dean, of course.
Speaker C:No, that's chimney.
Speaker B:It's gonna be chimney.
Speaker B:And it specifically has to be the picture of chimney with the rebar as a picture.
Speaker C:Dean may have died more times, but he's also died.
Speaker C:So he.
Speaker A:He's also dead dead.
Speaker A:And chimney is not.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Also, chimney that we know of has had no supernatural help, so Kevin is looking over him.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, that was my, like, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Speaker A:Because it's the same universe as Supernatural.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, that gas and sip, man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we don't know.
Speaker A:Moving on to Maddie.
Speaker C:So with Maddie, who we're introduced to this season, our.
Speaker C:Our first new character, we see kind of right off the bat that she's on the run.
Speaker C:She's searching for a safe haven after leaving her husband Doug from a very terrible situation.
Speaker C:And throughout the season, we see her beginning to settle into this new life and kind of put down roots with the help of Buck.
Speaker C:And basically, she's.
Speaker C:She's living so much in fear for most of the.
Speaker C:For, like, the first half of the season until that, like, main confrontation with Doug and how she finally, like, escapes his clutches.
Speaker C:And after that, she's able to truly rebuild and, like, find comfort in this new life that she's made for herself.
Speaker C:In the second half of the season, she's finally able to enjoy the life that she's made and not have to live in fear and really question, like, what she wants.
Speaker C:Like, does she want this job that she kind of fell into?
Speaker C:Does she want, you know, this apartment, this family, this relationship with Jimny?
Speaker A:So the second bullet point.
Speaker A:Let's talk about the highlight of her.
Speaker A:Her arc.
Speaker A:It is really just, like, fighting for her life.
Speaker A:When she decided to leave Doug, decided that she not only wanted to live, but that she wanted to have a life and decided to fight for that.
Speaker A:And she started to make a new beginning.
Speaker A:And Doug tried to take it for her.
Speaker A:And then she had to fight again to not only regain what she had lost from that, but getting back the pieces of herself that that took away from her.
Speaker A:And eventually at the end of the season, getting back to where she was with Chimney, Starting to build a new relationship.
Speaker A:So really just being a survivor and fighting and never giving up.
Speaker C:Go girl.
Speaker B:Go girl.
Speaker B:So impactful.
Speaker B:So one of two things that are super important for later on because of how things ended with Doug.
Speaker B:He got stabbity stabbed.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:Don't be sorry.
Speaker B:Because of Dougie boy.
Speaker B:Fucking asshole.
Speaker B:Because of all that trauma that she had with him.
Speaker B:I mean, all of that is gonna still reverberate through seasons three to eight.
Speaker B:Thought it was more like seven.
Speaker B:Is it still eight?
Speaker B:Did we really have a dog?
Speaker A:It's about.
Speaker B:Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker B:Three and eight.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker C:Or it will have been by the time this comes out.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yikes.
Speaker B:Kidnapped again.
Speaker B:How many times can you get kidnapped?
Speaker A:How many times?
Speaker C:Chimney.
Speaker C:Chimney has.
Speaker B:How many times can you get stabbed or injured?
Speaker C:No, they need a punch card.
Speaker A:Quote Deadpool.
Speaker A:Please hold.
Speaker A:I had a Liam Neeson nightmare.
Speaker A:I dreamt I kidnapped his daughter and he just wasn't having it.
Speaker A:They made three of those movies.
Speaker A:At some point you'd have to wonder if he's just a bad parent.
Speaker B:Well, Maddie's parents are pretty terrible.
Speaker B:So that trap.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Taken two.
Speaker C:Electric Boogaloo.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then something to keep in mind for next season is just kind of how these effects of Doug give Maddie some.
Speaker A:Some holdbacks.
Speaker A:Even still in this relationship she's building with Chimney, most markedly she doesn't want to say I love you.
Speaker A:And that leads to them being able to actually save the day in the taking a dispatch.
Speaker A:So stay tuned.
Speaker B:Buck and Eddie.
Speaker B:I will.
Speaker B:Buck think.
Speaker A:Fuck.
Speaker C:Thank Buck.
Speaker B:Us and Buck.
Speaker B:So season two started with Buck alone after Abby left.
Speaker B:But he gained a new person in his life that he started to take his Lonely Boy aggression on.
Speaker B:The man was so jealous, but also had a competency kink.
Speaker B:Har har har har har har.
Speaker C:But really though.
Speaker B:But really though.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:That was the only funny thing.
Speaker B:This Lonely Boy aggression.
Speaker C:Oh, boy.
Speaker A:It's like you wanna fuck me so bad it makes you look stupid.
Speaker B:I took Lonely Boy after the Gossip girl.
Speaker C:Lonely boy.
Speaker C:X.O.X.O.
Speaker B:Gossip Girl.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Bucks was the least funny of them all, so we can actually talk about him.
Speaker C:Oh, look.
Speaker B:Lonely and Stuck.
Speaker B:I didn't read.
Speaker B:I didn't read it.
Speaker B:Wait, actually, I didn't look at this.
Speaker B:So, yeah, like I said.
Speaker C:Her book.
Speaker B:Starts this season is Lonely and Stuck.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:It really is exactly what I wrote.
Speaker C:You did so great.
Speaker A:You did.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker C:You did great.
Speaker B:I mean, so he's also.
Speaker B:So he's lonely and stuck, but in waiting around for Abby to return because she left them high and dry, he's also pretty insecure about his place in the 118, even though he is also surrounded by family.
Speaker B:I mean, Maddie comes back into his life and he has the 118 because that is his main core family anyway.
Speaker B:And he gets a new partner.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:It was really on point.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:He gets a new partner.
Speaker B:And he gets a new partner, which is.
Speaker A:I love that Sil doesn't read the.
Speaker C:Notes until we're record, like, a surprise every time.
Speaker B:But then, you know, he.
Speaker B:He does suffer through that injury at the end of the season with the ladder truck incident.
Speaker B:And now he's kind of like, in this place of, well, not trying to figure out what's next.
Speaker B:He knows what's next.
Speaker B:He wants to get back out there.
Speaker B:So that's going to be his.
Speaker B:His struggle for season three.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's really interesting to see Buck's trajectory throughout the season because he starts off in kind of a low place, right.
Speaker C:With, you know, feeling so dejected with the Abby stuff and feeling lonely and, like, insecure about his position within the 118.
Speaker C:Why he gets, like, so territorial with Eddie's arrival.
Speaker C:And then, you know, like, in the middle, he really finds his footing.
Speaker C:Everything is, like, just kind of locking into place until the end again, where he becomes even, like, more untethered than he was at the beginning because he can't physically do his job.
Speaker C:It's not just like a, oh, I'm feeling insecure.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, this is actually gonna be, like, taken.
Speaker C:Oh, this is actually going to be, like, taken away from me sort of thing.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:It's interesting to see that, like, down, up, down sort of thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like, a lot more than.
Speaker B:Than where he started.
Speaker B:It's like, worse now.
Speaker B:Like, forget.
Speaker B:Forget not being in a relationship now.
Speaker B:It's like, at the cost of something that he really truly loves, which is his job.
Speaker C:So, yeah, it's like, it's almost in the same place, but different.
Speaker C:That was so smart.
Speaker A:But he is in this, like.
Speaker A:Like, limbo.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:So, like, before, he had to wait because he was waiting for Abby to come back, and that ran into season three, even though, like, he knew he still was.
Speaker A:Like, she said she'd come back, and now he's waiting to see if he can go back to work, which is arguably worse.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's like he's.
Speaker C:When he finally got into gear, he, like, hit the mud again, and the wheels are just spinning.
Speaker B:Oh, this is the second round of the hamster wheel.
Speaker B:Second.
Speaker B:Third.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not fourth yet.
Speaker A:I mean, it's the second.
Speaker C:It's the second for sure.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker C:Like, we just kind of mentioned a highlight of Buck's arc is actually him just, like, season one theme.
Speaker C:Letting go.
Speaker A:Make, like Elsa.
Speaker C:So he's finally able to let Abby go.
Speaker C:So, like, move on from that holding period, that limbo, and.
Speaker C:And he kind of does so a little bit by baby trapping himself with really, like, immersing himself in his relationships with Maddie and re.
Speaker C:Establishing that.
Speaker C:Establishing the partnership and friendship with Eddie, but also kind of positioning himself as such an important person in Eddie and Christopher's life by doing all of this, like, setting, like, setting them up with Carla and, you know, just.
Speaker C:Just all of that stuff.
Speaker C:So that is pretty much like, Eddie and Christopher are so much of the reason why.
Speaker C:And Maddie, too.
Speaker C:But, like, specifically, Eddie and Christopher are so much of the reason why Buck was able to kind of refocus his.
Speaker C:His energy a little bit instead of, like, spin.
Speaker C:Continue to spin his wheels.
Speaker C:Waiting for Abby.
Speaker C:It's like he let her go, and now he's focusing on a new thing.
Speaker A:Just a couple things to just, like, keep in mind going forward.
Speaker A:This crush, crush, crush.
Speaker B:That's why I was laughing.
Speaker A:Injury is going to be haunting him for a bit.
Speaker A:For a hot minute, if you will, is kind of his entire first quarter.
Speaker A:Third.
Speaker A:First.
Speaker C:Third.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Of season three is all the direct effects of this injury.
Speaker A:And this is, like, the beginning of the narrative.
Speaker A:Loving to try and kill him.
Speaker C:Maybe his first, but it's not his last.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And then the other thing to kind of just, like, keep watch for the entire show, why we have a podcast and everything.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker A:Is really his friendship with Eddie his platonic best bud, indefinitely, not romantic interest.
Speaker B:Thanks, TV Insider.
Speaker A:Xoxo TV Insider.
Speaker C:Should I link that for funsies?
Speaker A:All right, let's start.
Speaker B:Eddie, my boy, he's so capable and amazing, but he has a partner that's got it out for him.
Speaker B:But with his strong manipulation skills, he was able to get him by his side and to have his back and vice versa.
Speaker B:And okay.
Speaker B:And then Christopher is going to a new school, but the school needs to meet both of his parents to I guess kind of like what was it?
Speaker B:It was really just to meet them because it was like a formality or something.
Speaker B:And so enter the ghost of Christmas past.
Speaker B:Times like three, I guess.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker B:So Shannon shows up.
Speaker B:They don't really talk.
Speaker B:They fight, they fuck, they keep fucking.
Speaker B:And then Eddie brings her around so that Christopher finally has his Christmas wish of seeing her again.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:And they continue to suck at talking while Eddie sucks at talking because he can't define their relationship Until Shannon drops a baby bomb which kind of wakes him up and try to make him make a decision on how to define their relationship.
Speaker B:He tries, but turns out it was a pregnancy scare and she serves him up with a divorce.
Speaker B:Yikes.
Speaker B:And even more yikes.
Speaker B:She dies at the 1.
Speaker B:She dies.
Speaker B:As the 118 respond to a car accident.
Speaker B:A car accident or a.
Speaker B:What was it?
Speaker B:A hidden.
Speaker B:No, it was a car maybe car accident.
Speaker B:I don't remember.
Speaker B:Someone correct me whenever you guys get the chance.
Speaker B:And unfortunately she's the pedestrian that got hit with a car and died due to a spinal injury.
Speaker B:So embarrassing.
Speaker B:Am I right, Shannon?
Speaker B:And then she, while she's trying to say her final words, Eddie tells her to shut the fuck up.
Speaker B:Basically dying.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:But I'm really sure that it was just for her not to use up her energy.
Speaker B:I'm so sure.
Speaker B:But it was really mean.
Speaker B:Okay, Eddie.
Speaker B:And then unfortunately Eddie has to break the news to Christopher.
Speaker B:And then look what the fucking generational trauma drags in.
Speaker B:Helena and Ramon.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:And they proceed to tell Eddie that he and Christopher needs to move back to Texas.
Speaker B:I mean to yeehaw land.
Speaker B:While I mean, and then Eddie's like, hell the fuck no.
Speaker B:I got a life here and a husband.
Speaker C:You're summarizing everything from now on.
Speaker A:Yeah, you are 100%.
Speaker B:This is the most constant and stable thing in my.
Speaker B:In his life.
Speaker B:And this is the life that we choose.
Speaker B:A and Eddie graduates.
Speaker B:Woohoo.
Speaker B:You're welcome.
Speaker C:So Eddie is the.
Speaker C:The other main character that we were really introduced to in this season.
Speaker C:And the way that he's introduced is just like here's this super competent like sure footed newcomer.
Speaker C:He's like a family guy.
Speaker C:He's gotten a medal.
Speaker C:He's like his reputation precedes him.
Speaker C:Here's this like all star basically.
Speaker C:And it's just like.
Speaker C:And it's Just like the entire rest of the season is kind of like breaking down that first impression.
Speaker C:That is more like hearsay than actual character of Eddie.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:So, like, we find out he doesn't know what he wants.
Speaker C:He's a family man, but, like, his family situation with Shannon, with his parents is really messed up.
Speaker C:And he's basically just trying to pick up the pieces of his life that he's built for himself and Christopher.
Speaker C:And also on top of that, now he's grieving and being haunted basically by his almost ex wife.
Speaker C:So it's like everything that he was set up to be totally, like, taken down, like, crashed down.
Speaker C:It's kind of like opposite of chimney in the way where it's like, you know, a lot of times in a season, you're like building a character up for that kind of growth.
Speaker C:For Eddie's opened kind of downhill.
Speaker C:The only good parts really are him starting at the 118 and meeting Buck.
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker B:Who's got his back?
Speaker C:Who's got his back?
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, I guess, yeah, that was the highlight of the arc is the deconstruction.
Speaker C:So what we have here, the deconstruction of a man's carefully constructed facade.
Speaker A:I thought that was so smart when.
Speaker C:I wrote it at 5am it's very smart.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:I said it in a sarcastic voice.
Speaker C:I'm just like, no, but like, that is.
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker C:That's his entire arc.
Speaker C:That's his entire arc.
Speaker C:It's just like, here's this pedestal.
Speaker C:Let's chip away at that pedestal.
Speaker C:And here you have, like, the actual person, the actual Eddie.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Except kind of not really, because.
Speaker C:Does he really know who he is?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I feel like we're gonna be finding out more about that this season in season eight.
Speaker C:Wink, wink.
Speaker A:So anyway, just a couple things.
Speaker A:They're gonna be super important forever for him, apparently.
Speaker A:His friendship with Buck, his platonic best bud.
Speaker A:And definitely not romantic interest.
Speaker C:Definitely not.
Speaker A:I mean, it's so important for both of them for similar but also completely different reasons.
Speaker A:Like their friendship, you know, even taking the romantic connotations out.
Speaker A:It's so important because, like, they don't have another person.
Speaker A:Like they are for each other.
Speaker A:Like, they don't have a best friend.
Speaker A:They don't have someone who's that kind of support to them, who they can be as vulnerable with and, like, know that the other person has their back, you know, and it just continues to Grow throughout the entire show.
Speaker A:Like, yes, there are ups and downs, but they're always, like, very brief, just like they're enemies to.
Speaker A:To friends, to baby daddy arc, which.
Speaker B:Lasts a very brief 24 hours.
Speaker C:To friends, three days.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, we'll just.
Speaker A:We'll just be keeping an eye out for that every single episode.
Speaker A:That's why we're here, guys.
Speaker A:That's what we're here for.
Speaker A:Everyone.
Speaker C:We're keeping an eye out.
Speaker C:You know that meme of SpongeBob and Patrick with the eyes are, like, on the map.
Speaker A:Yes, that's.
Speaker A:I mean, we named our podcast after them, so it's kind of shocking.
Speaker A:It's kind of a big focus for us.
Speaker A:So we'll be.
Speaker A:We'll be here reporting on the news.
Speaker A:And then the other thing that is.
Speaker A:Is very prominent right now and right then and for all time, always, is Eddie's grief over Shannon.
Speaker A:Grief leads to anger.
Speaker A:Anger leads to fight ring.
Speaker B:That was so clever.
Speaker A:Okay, Yoda.
Speaker A:I also thought this was hilarious when.
Speaker C:I wrote it at 5am Funny.
Speaker C:You are.
Speaker A:But, yeah.
Speaker A:No, this man has been making terrible decisions because he will not deal with his own emotions since he was born.
Speaker C:At least since 10.
Speaker C:Just to give him a couple years, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and I'll give him until he is back from war, even.
Speaker A:Because he was still like a child.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:Some people.
Speaker A:Some people, like, when they deal with a loss, talk to their friends, they talk to a priest.
Speaker A:Sometimes they talk to a therapist or they go to, like, grief counseling or, like, grief groups.
Speaker C:Not Eddie.
Speaker A:Some of us manage to not become part of illegal fight rings, but you.
Speaker C:Can do that, you know.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:I don't think he knows.
Speaker A:I also.
Speaker A:Because he didn't know about divorce either.
Speaker C:No, he didn't.
Speaker B:Can you.
Speaker B:Can you divorce a dead person?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You're a widow.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:He never gets to say my ex wife.
Speaker A:Like, it will always be his.
Speaker C:Never gets.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker C:Even that closure.
Speaker C:It, like, even the title is just, like, hanging.
Speaker C:And it's worse.
Speaker A:It's worse than if she had died while they were in limbo because he had made a decision to stick it through and try.
Speaker A:And even after she was like, I'm not pregnant, he was like, that doesn't change anything.
Speaker A:Doesn't change anything.
Speaker A:Where have we heard that?
Speaker C:For me.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She's like, I, I.
Speaker A:I want a divorce.
Speaker C:So now he has to live with that, knowing that he was also a failure, that he couldn't even, like, save her.
Speaker C:So they could both get, like, a second chance.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:I could go on that for.
Speaker C:For a while.
Speaker A:He has never dealt with that, and it's still literally ruining his and Christopher's life.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:It's ruining my life.
Speaker C:There is.
Speaker C:There is another little point that I did want to make sure we hit for things that will be important later, because this season we were introduced to Ramon and Helena, his parents, and how much they wanted to get Eddie and Christopher back to El Paso.
Speaker C:And that will come up in season three, and that will come up in season eight.
Speaker C:Seven and eight.
Speaker A:It'll come up anytime we see Elena and Ramon.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So just like.
Speaker C:Yeah, all of that gestures.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Gestures to all of Eddie.
Speaker A:Gestures to all.
Speaker C:Gestures to all of Eddie.
Speaker C:Just, like, just keep that in mind.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:We can't divorce any of that from anything else.
Speaker A:I think actually one of the most realistic parts of the show and one of the things that makes the characters kind of seem so real and relatable is that all of them have a thing that they just, like, don't deal with or just constantly struggle with, no matter how hard they try to achieve or to get over a thing.
Speaker A:So, like, his is, like, he just will not address the grief.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker A:And all of the feelings surrounding Shannon.
Speaker A:And then we have, like, Hen and Karen, their fucking struggle since we met them, to, like, try and grow their family.
Speaker A:Like, grow their family.
Speaker A:And then with Bobby, it's the loss of his family.
Speaker A:And with Athena, it's like, the loss of her fiance, which also came up again this season.
Speaker A:And then with Chimney, it's his issues.
Speaker C:With his father and mother and the loss of Kevin.
Speaker C:And with Maddie, it's Doug.
Speaker A:I want to say for Buck and Maddie, it's the same thing, but completely different results.
Speaker A:So, like, the.
Speaker A:The Their thing is how up their childhood was.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because their parents are terrible.
Speaker A:So for Maddie, her whole life, it's.
Speaker C:Because they had different roles.
Speaker A:It has been because she was parentified.
Speaker A:Because her parents, they didn't deal with their grief.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:And then they just weren't there for.
Speaker A:For Buck.
Speaker A:And then she had to do it.
Speaker A:And she also had to keep this giant secret from him that set her up to be susceptible for someone like Doug.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Oh, the dominoes.
Speaker A:And then for Buck, his issue is not knowing how to feel secure and in being loved.
Speaker A:And that someone won't leave if he isn't using his body in some way to be of use.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Nailed it did.
Speaker A:I get everyone.
Speaker C:Pretty sure you did.
Speaker C:Anyway, they all have issues with their parents.
Speaker A:They do, but you know what I mean?
Speaker C:But in different ways.
Speaker C:Or issues being parents.
Speaker C:Maybe.
Speaker A:But I think that's one of the things that, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, we get irritated sometimes because we're like, oh, my God, address this thing.
Speaker A:Go to therapy.
Speaker A:But it's like, as someone who's been in therapy for a long time, I can tell you there are certain things that, like, they can get better, but you just, like, won't ever get over some things you just can't.
Speaker C:Like, it's something you manage rather than.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or you can think that you're, like, getting past it and then, like, it'll come back up.
Speaker A:Like, that's how life works.
Speaker A:I think this leads us to more fun topics of conversation.
Speaker A:We're just gonna, like, talk about each of our favorite episodes.
Speaker A:Rachel, start us off.
Speaker C:Well, I have trouble choosing just one.
Speaker C:Imagine that.
Speaker C:I know this comes as not a surprise to anyone who has listened or knows me.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:If you want me to put it in a sequential order.
Speaker C:Fine.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Number.
Speaker C:And this is just how I'm feeling today.
Speaker C:Preface this.
Speaker C:I love this season so much.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:I think at number 30 seconds are up.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:You're so mean.
Speaker C:Okay, fine.
Speaker C:Coming in at number three.
Speaker C:I think Fight or Flight is an absolutely fantastic episode.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:I'm just gonna.
Speaker C:We're just listening.
Speaker B:Drop them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Fight or Flight.
Speaker C:Then at number two is dosed.
Speaker C:Number one is stuck.
Speaker C:I got so much from the themes and the parallels in that one.
Speaker C:I love that one so much.
Speaker C:You're welcome.
Speaker C:30 seconds.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker B:For me, I feel like Fight or Flight is one of my favorites.
Speaker B:And you know what?
Speaker B:Fine.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna.
Speaker B:I'm also not going to pick one.
Speaker B:Fight or Flight is a favorite because of, like the intensity, the under pressure.
Speaker B:Because bucking Eddie.
Speaker B:And I will say I actually really do like careful what you wish for because.
Speaker B:Well, because actually.
Speaker B:No, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:No, that's really bad.
Speaker B:Let me not go that route.
Speaker B:No, it's not because she dies.
Speaker B:I just think that it's a very interesting episode.
Speaker B:It's very kind of Eddie heavy.
Speaker B:Anyway, so.
Speaker B:And then a fun mention is Ocean sign one one and do you had more than me?
Speaker B:I don't care.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:That was more than three.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:No, those were special.
Speaker A:I guess is the only person who can make decisions on this show.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Han.
Speaker A:And pick favorites.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:My favorite is to the shock of probably nobody is Buck.
Speaker A:Actually.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I said it by the same time.
Speaker A:It's me.
Speaker A:It just is.
Speaker A:It just is.
Speaker A:Buck is my favorite.
Speaker A:Eddie is literally right.
Speaker A:Just actually, he's not even.
Speaker A:They're, like, tied, but it's just different.
Speaker B:You just understand.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You have this connection.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's your comfort.
Speaker A:Just Buck just, like, gets me.
Speaker A:Like, it hurts my heart, it makes my stomach drop.
Speaker A:Like, it hits me in all the ways.
Speaker A:Like, Eddie just, like, makes me sad for him.
Speaker A:But with.
Speaker A:I always describe, like, Buck moments where I'm like, this is like, first hand embarrassment or, like, first scene.
Speaker C:Yeah, you do.
Speaker A:So it's like I'm feeling his emotions, like, as if they are happening to me.
Speaker A:And so that's just such a big episode for him.
Speaker A:And I think it's like one of the first episodes when I was watching the show where I was like, oh, my God, I really love this character because I started in season two.
Speaker A:Guys, like, big fan, fake fan.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:It's me, this fake fan who just spends all of her.
Speaker B:Not as fake as me for Supernatural.
Speaker A:I was gonna say my free time, but it's not even just my free time.
Speaker A:It's all my waking time on the show.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker A:I just love it.
Speaker A:I love episodes that are, like, really heavily focused.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Not even just begins episodes, but ones that are really heavily focused around one character.
Speaker A:Even though it's an ensemble show, but when everything kind of circles back around thematically to them and it's just like a big impactful episode for them.
Speaker A:And because for Buck specifically, his overarching theme for his character is just that he's searching for love.
Speaker A:He's searching for love.
Speaker A:And this is, like, really important episode for that because it's like he's letting.
Speaker A:He's letting go, thinking he realizes, like, what love should look like.
Speaker A:He still doesn't get it, but, like, he thinks he does.
Speaker C:Beautiful.
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:I love that you guys gave actual reasons for your answers.
Speaker C:And you made me just.
Speaker B:I gave, like, two worded answers.
Speaker A:See how I got to talk for two minutes?
Speaker A:Because I picked one episode anyway.
Speaker B:Top three moments, guys.
Speaker A:Top three moments.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:For me, when Maddie does the stabby.
Speaker B:Stabby at Doug.
Speaker B:That was great.
Speaker B:Because, you know, girl power.
Speaker B:Well, I'm sorry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I love that Spice Girl song.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Tell us of the world.
Speaker A:Stab your husband or boy.
Speaker A:Every girl.
Speaker B:No, but really, I.
Speaker B:I know that's a traumatic event, but you know what?
Speaker B:She got him.
Speaker B:She finally Got him and I.
Speaker B:And unfortunately has to face the repercussions of that.
Speaker B:Another moment that I like is.
Speaker B:Wait, I'm confused.
Speaker B:Can you start over?
Speaker C:Oh, if we're doing just lines, I have a few.
Speaker A:I feel like lines and moments are different because I was.
Speaker A:Moments I was thinking, like, scene.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, but it can be whatever you want.
Speaker B:It's because I can't remember.
Speaker B:Well, okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the heist, when they're doing that interrogation scene.
Speaker B:That's fun.
Speaker A:It was really funny.
Speaker B:And then the.
Speaker B:When, you know, Buck, Eddie and Hen got, you know, they.
Speaker B:After the post brownie.
Speaker B:At whatever call they're at with the little, like the little pageant.
Speaker C:Yeah, the pageant.
Speaker B:That's fun.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And an honorary buddy mention is, you know, our.
Speaker B:What a man scene.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I'm still trying to decide my third.
Speaker A:I can decide it while I talk about the other two.
Speaker A:I guess the number one moment is a buddy moment.
Speaker A:But it's not the one you think you would think.
Speaker A:It's the have your back any day.
Speaker A:It's not that one.
Speaker A:It's the.
Speaker A:It's the gym scene.
Speaker A:Everything about that is objectionally so fucking funny.
Speaker A:It's so funny.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:It's so funny because the posturing is so funny.
Speaker A:And the way that Eddie's like dissecting him and Chim is.
Speaker A:Just watch.
Speaker A:Chim is me, Chim is us.
Speaker A:Trim is all of us just, like watching.
Speaker A:And then they look over him and he's like.
Speaker A:Like the whole thing is just perfection.
Speaker A:Love it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:This wasn't the one that I forgot, but I think, yes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Another one of my favorites is the.
Speaker A:You two are dating.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker A:And then he lists all of the reasons why they're d.
Speaker A:And they're like, no.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:And it's double fold.
Speaker A:Because it's.
Speaker A:I mean, it's true.
Speaker A:It's true.
Speaker A:It's funny because he thinks he's roasting them, but he's also roasting his future self for the next seven years, unbeknownst to him.
Speaker A:And that's funny to me personally.
Speaker C:No, that is so funny.
Speaker A:I can't remember the one I forgot.
Speaker C:If you remember it, we'll talk about it.
Speaker C:We'll plop it in here.
Speaker C:I, I.
Speaker C:Obviously my brain is not working very well today.
Speaker C:I think one of my favorite moments is from Stuck.
Speaker C:It's the Eddie and Christopher montage when where it's like we.
Speaker C:Because we dissected that for a while.
Speaker C:There was so much to get into because it was.
Speaker C:There was Almost no speaking.
Speaker C:It was all like, show, don't tell.
Speaker C:And it said so much about Eddie's character.
Speaker C:Kind of some of the first, like, breaking down of that preconceived notion that we were introduced to a couple episodes prior.
Speaker C:And like, it just.
Speaker C:It's just like one of those such well done character introductions from, like, from all production aspects of that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:The acting, the.
Speaker C:The scene writing, the music production, the set decoration, just like, everything was so concise and it said so much.
Speaker C:I'm trying to think of a couple others.
Speaker C:Do you want to say yours and then I'll get back to mine?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:The other one that I think is a personal highlight because, like, Rachel always gets very easily, like, these goosebump, like, stomach swoopy things from, like, anything.
Speaker A:That's just like community togetherness.
Speaker A:And it takes a lot for those to actually hit me really hard and hit me emotionally.
Speaker A:I didn't say that to be me.
Speaker C:No, I know, I know.
Speaker B:That's just.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:It's just really funny because, like, nailed it.
Speaker B:So on brand, there are two this.
Speaker A:Season that really get me, but the one that really gets me is when everyone, like, breaks the police barriers into 18 and they push the.
Speaker A:The truck off of Buck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, darn, now I wish that I said that first.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But that, that is a really good one because I do get goosebumps with that every single time.
Speaker A:What about the.
Speaker A:Do you think it's weird that I still live at Abby's apartment?
Speaker A:Because you say that one a lot.
Speaker C:I do, yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, me too.
Speaker A:Me too.
Speaker A:Don't tell me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay, so I.
Speaker C:I guess another one of mine is this also from Stuck.
Speaker A:I guess this is why.
Speaker C:This is why this is my favorite episode.
Speaker C:Like that, that, like, little glimmer of self reflection that we get with Buck where he's asking, like, for input from Abby of Buck is kind of like, crowdsourcing some opinions and trying to get some input of his situation.
Speaker A:Waiting.
Speaker C:Waiting for Abby because he feels like he's stuck there.
Speaker C:And he's like.
Speaker C:And it's just him saying, do you think it's weird that I still live at Abby's place?
Speaker C:And Bobby just, like, doesn't pull any punches.
Speaker C:He's just like, yes, I do.
Speaker C:Like, hello.
Speaker C:Duh.
Speaker C:That's the closest Bobby will ever get to, like, duh.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he's so gentle parent.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And then Bug's just like, me too.
Speaker C:Don't tell anyone, though.
Speaker C:I don't know why.
Speaker C:Like, the, like, I love that for Buck's character where it.
Speaker C:Where he's like.
Speaker C:He's gaining some awareness about, you know, the actuality of and.
Speaker C:And the consequences of him just kind of like, waiting around for something that's never gonna come to him and the potential and the possibility of, like, moving on from that, even though it takes him a couple episodes to do so.
Speaker C:So I love that for his character.
Speaker C:But it's also just like the way.
Speaker C:The way the line is delivered is so ear.
Speaker C:Wormy to me.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:Me too.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't know what it is.
Speaker A:I love this, like, cadence for.
Speaker A:For Buck, there's certain lines like that one, like, the.
Speaker C:What's the other one that we do all the time?
Speaker B:The one that I just said?
Speaker A:Which one?
Speaker A:Not anymore.
Speaker A:He's dead.
Speaker B:Oh, isn't that great?
Speaker B:It's a good one.
Speaker C:He's dead.
Speaker C:Isn't that great?
Speaker C:Yeah, just like, it's him waving through.
Speaker A:The meteorological girl going, hi, Cat.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's just like.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:He just like, taps into this childlike wonder personality, this like, optim, like, childlike optimism that I think is so indicative of Buck's character when he's just like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:At base level, when he's not going through the horrors.
Speaker C:Like, horrors.
Speaker A:Well, I.
Speaker A:But I think even the like.
Speaker A:Because he was, like, kind of going through it with the like.
Speaker A:Yeah, me too.
Speaker A:Don't tell anyone.
Speaker A:But I think it's.
Speaker A:It's so endearing.
Speaker C:Endearing.
Speaker C:That's what it is.
Speaker A:Because it's.
Speaker A:Because it's like he's not.
Speaker A:He's allowing himself to, like.
Speaker A:Because he.
Speaker A:He actually doesn't always talk about everything that's going on with them.
Speaker A:Like, he keeps a lot of inside, I think.
Speaker A:But like, when he does, like, talk about it out loud like that, it's just like he's just so.
Speaker A:He's not holding anything back.
Speaker A:He's not like, coloring what he's saying.
Speaker C:It's like he's so genuinely, like, asking.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:For other people's opinions.
Speaker C:Like a guiding light sort of thing.
Speaker C:Not because he can't make decisions for himself, but just because, like, he wants to know what other people.
Speaker C:What other people think.
Speaker C:And I love that.
Speaker A:It's like the earnestness combined with his complete lack of self consciousness.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, he's not self conscious about, like.
Speaker C:Saying, like, it just is what it is.
Speaker A:But, like, I would be mortified to say bucks.
Speaker A:Bucks.
Speaker C:So often when we do get Buck's self reflection, he speaks it out like It's.
Speaker C:It's outside thoughts, right?
Speaker C:Because he doesn't do a lot of the inside thoughts about stuff like that.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:He can't look at those.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:So, like, when he does self reflect, it's by crowdsourcing, by asking for input.
Speaker C:And I do have, I think, a third favorite moment of mine.
Speaker C:I really love the conversation or confrontation that Eddie and Shannon have in Haunted.
Speaker C:I think that is such an interesting dialogue between these two characters because they have so much history that we are only clued in on up until this point.
Speaker C:And it really just, like, lets the floodgates open.
Speaker C:We're learning so much about Eddie.
Speaker C:Again, we're learning a lot about Shannon.
Speaker C:And just like the.
Speaker C:Anytime Ryan Guzman and Devin Kelly share a screen is just kind of like magic because there's.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker C:There's so much chemistry in the way that they're portraying these characters.
Speaker C:It's like kind of, to me, like a master class in.
Speaker C:In that.
Speaker C:But just, like.
Speaker C:So from that aspect, but just like, from the character standpoint, it's.
Speaker C:It's so interesting, which is kind of funny because it's a little bit the complete opposite of the Eddie and Christopher montage, because the confrontation with Eddie and Shannon is all speaking, right?
Speaker C:So it shows kind of, like, the power in that as well.
Speaker C:Like, sometimes you do have to tell.
Speaker C:And I don't even know.
Speaker C:I don't even know what else to say about that.
Speaker C:Like, it just sets up so much of the rest of, like, Eddie for the rest of time, right?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Like, you finally.
Speaker C:You finally get clued in to what's going on in there, and it's.
Speaker C:It's become more transparent.
Speaker C:Or a parent.
Speaker C:Parents.
Speaker C:Anyways.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:So, okay, Speedrun, what new fear did the season unlock in you?
Speaker B:Maggot.
Speaker A:Escalators.
Speaker A:Wait, we should say it all.
Speaker A:I don't have time, Rachel.
Speaker A:Are you serious?
Speaker C:I.
Speaker B:Well, earthquake.
Speaker B:Ladder truck.
Speaker B:You're lug.
Speaker B:You're, like, getting crushed.
Speaker B:Maggots Escalator.
Speaker B:What was the other one that I was thinking about?
Speaker B:Oh, getting stuck in between two buildings.
Speaker B:Having that.
Speaker B:Charlie.
Speaker A:There's just so many of these things that I would just never be in a position for that to actually happen to me.
Speaker A:But the escalator one, I was like, you will catch me stepping over that entire plate for the rest of my life.
Speaker B:For me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, no, for me, the.
Speaker B:The whole maggot thing.
Speaker B:I mean, I go different countries.
Speaker A:You guys couldn't watch that.
Speaker A:I think it's.
Speaker A:I'm bucking that scene.
Speaker A:I'm just like, this is hilarious.
Speaker C:I can't watch that.
Speaker C:I mean, maybe.
Speaker A:Ooh, don't say maggot.
Speaker A:Maggot.
Speaker B:I mean maggot.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker B:That's one of those.
Speaker C:That's one of those.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's like tapeworm, like the icky stuff.
Speaker B:I mean, there's another one.
Speaker B:I do have another one.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker B:It's the.
Speaker B:Is it the air compressor?
Speaker B:Like at the mechanic in the first episode where he got like, oh, God.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Ah, no.
Speaker B:Basically getting.
Speaker A:The only other like, super visceral reaction I have is like, I don't plan on ever having cosmetic surgery, but like just the idea of waking up, up from surgery, like with.
Speaker A:Because like anesthesia were off or like, oh, something like that is.
Speaker A:Is new fear.
Speaker B:What else is growth?
Speaker A:Skin sloughing off.
Speaker C:Oh, that's disgusting.
Speaker A:Themes.
Speaker A:So we have talked about themes in every single episode.
Speaker A:So these should not come as a surprise to you because they showed up over and over and over and over.
Speaker C:Again, basically what we've already said.
Speaker C:So feel free to listen to our themes in every single episode of the season and find out for yourself.
Speaker A:18 episodes we have finding your path.
Speaker A:A lot of this season is kind of establishing how people got started, you know, in their careers or showing you actively.
Speaker A:Like, Maddie is finding her place as a first responder and Eddie is starting his.
Speaker A:And then we have two begins episodes showing us how they got started.
Speaker A:All of that under pressure, metaphorically and physically.
Speaker A:All the E's.
Speaker B:Oh, were you gonna say more?
Speaker A:You can go take some.
Speaker B:Okay, well, so we also have things go boom.
Speaker B:Literally.
Speaker B:Boom.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Anyway, so, okay, you looking for this?
Speaker B:There's two of them.
Speaker B:There's two movie references that I can do about.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Boom.
Speaker B:You're looking for this.
Speaker B:And then the.
Speaker B:The whole.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The last Harry Potter movie.
Speaker B:Oh, it's because of the way she says it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, there was a lot of bombs.
Speaker B:There was a lot of things that were going to go.
Speaker B:That were going to go boom.
Speaker B:And then we finally had that ladder truck.
Speaker C:So we see kind of like when it's.
Speaker C:When it's your emergency.
Speaker C:So what happens when.
Speaker C:Especially for the first responders, when the shoe is on the other foot and they're the ones that need help.
Speaker C:A lot of times it's connected to or even just like putting yourself in that shoes when it is your emergency, you end up going in fight or flight.
Speaker C:So that's a big one.
Speaker C:Obviously that was the name of one of the episodes.
Speaker C:And also in kind of related.
Speaker C:The whole idea of Help is not coming.
Speaker C:So you.
Speaker C:So when those first responders are not available to you and you're in an emergency, then you have to fight your way out.
Speaker C:It's that like survivorship, right?
Speaker C:And then awful people.
Speaker C:So people, you know, like, awful people are.
Speaker C:Are people born awful or do they just have awfulness thrust upon them?
Speaker C:Not, not really, but.
Speaker C:But kind of like after all, she.
Speaker A:Had a father, she had a mother, as so many do.
Speaker C:There's aspects of can awful people be redeemed?
Speaker C:Are they inherently.
Speaker C:Are they inherently awful or are they just like outside circumstances that made them act in awful ways?
Speaker C:And on the flip side of that kind of Good Samaritans.
Speaker C: to lift the truck off buck in: Speaker C:But that also kind of reflects 203 where help is not coming, where Chief Williams said no one's going in to help.
Speaker C:No one's.
Speaker C:Oh, no one's going to help the first responders if they're all helping each other.
Speaker C:So that kind of like banding together to do good, right.
Speaker C:In the face of something awful that happens.
Speaker C:Last but not least, having each other's backs or partnership.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So we see that literally with everybody.
Speaker C:And whether you're like with Bobby and Athena having each other's backs in kind of literally anything, whether it's with Athena's parents or when Bobby is suspended and everything, they just like we see that.
Speaker C:We see so much equal partnership with everybody.
Speaker C:So we have Hen and Karen.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:When they're, you know, working together and they're finally on the same page.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a lot of that like on the same page, equal partnership, Maddie and Chimney.
Speaker C:You know, there was a lot of.
Speaker C:There was a little bit of back and forth between them, like Chimney putting the ball in Maddie's court.
Speaker C:But then when she finally comes to him and.
Speaker C:And is ready for that relationship, it so solid.
Speaker C:And I mean, elephant in the room.
Speaker C:Buck and Eddie.
Speaker C:Yeah, they're having each other's bags.
Speaker C:Well, maybe you can have mine.
Speaker C:And how that's also mirrored in an opposite way with how Eddie and Shannon never had each other's backs.
Speaker C:And it's just kind of interesting that all of those are romantic ways to have each other's backs.
Speaker B:There's a lot, everyone except.
Speaker C:Except allegedly, allegedly, definitely not Eddie.
Speaker C:I mean, you're will always see like having each other having each other's backs in terms of like the 118, like on the job, but on a more personal level.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:It is like equal partnership between two people and that so often ends up being the romantic partners.
Speaker C:Dot, dot, dot.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker A:Now it is time for the last two legs.
Speaker A:What if.
Speaker C:No, only one leg because one got crushed.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker C:Still said the last two legs and I said no one got crushed.
Speaker A:But he still has to because it's fiction.
Speaker C:Anyway, sorry you had such a lovely, like dulcet tone.
Speaker B:It's still there.
Speaker A:It'll still be there in the edit.
Speaker A:Okay, if this is your first wrap with us, this is a very fun section that has literally no meaning except for us having some thought experiments where we go, what if this thing was different and how would that affect things?
Speaker B:So anyway, for our first what if scenario, what if Buck didn't get crushed by the engine?
Speaker B:How long would Ally have stayed around?
Speaker B:Or rather how serious would their relationship have gone?
Speaker C:I think this is kind of like a two part sort of thing.
Speaker C:So with Alli, I think that's the easier part to answer.
Speaker C:Ally, I.
Speaker C:I don't think she would have stayed around that much longer because something else really bad would have happened.
Speaker C:Well, tsunami, potentially.
Speaker C:Well, that's another tsunami.
Speaker A:Wouldn't be him at work.
Speaker A:That's just a natural disaster.
Speaker A:I can tell you exactly, you know exactly what I'm hearing either.
Speaker B:What wouldn't be at the.
Speaker C:Yes, that's the other part of the.
Speaker A:But he could be.
Speaker A:But that's a different one.
Speaker A:But I think even if he had been, he wouldn't have been on blood thinners and she wouldn't have been able to be like, this is something that happens to you every day.
Speaker A:Because he wouldn't have been on duty.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And if he was on duty, it would have just been a normal day at the job.
Speaker A:Like he wouldn't have been almost dying because he wouldn't have been on blood thinners.
Speaker C:I remember what you said last night.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I can tell you exactly what episode she would break up with him on the couch.
Speaker A:Season 3 Episode 15 Eddie begins or like 16 afterwards, she'd be watching the news, worried about her very serious boyfriend because they've been dating for over a year.
Speaker A:Probably live together at this point because Buck can't not ask people to move in with him.
Speaker A:And she'd be watching and she'd be worried because she's probably friendly with Eddie at this point too, right?
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Eddie's in the.
Speaker A:Well, she's stressed, she's worried and I don't even think it would be her thinking, oh, my God, that could be Buck down there.
Speaker A:She would literally see her boyfriend digging.
Speaker C:His bare hands.
Speaker A:Digging with his bare hands.
Speaker A:And then her cat, like his captain having to like, hold him like a grieving widow widow.
Speaker A:And she'd be like, okay, well, I can't ignore that.
Speaker C:Kind of hard.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Hey, but if she hadn't also, she would have to deal with the.
Speaker B:The train.
Speaker B:The train derailment and the X of Christmas Xmas cast.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker C:That would be really interesting actually to see an Abby and Ally showdown kind of show.
Speaker B:Not a showdown, but kind of, sort of.
Speaker C:Then no, because, like, well, Ali would.
Speaker B:Be like on Eddie's team being like, you're doing this for.
Speaker B:Yeah, Abby.
Speaker A:I think if Ali had actually been around what we know of her character, I think she would have gotten along with Eddie.
Speaker C:I just had that thought they had.
Speaker A:I think they had things in common.
Speaker A:I also think they would have paralleled.
Speaker C:Each other a lot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think she really did care about Buck and that's why she was even considering still trying to like, get over like at the end of season two when she basically, you can tell that she's like, I don't think I can handle this.
Speaker A:But she isn't quite decisively breaking up with him right at that exact moment because she really cares about him, but she's communicating openly.
Speaker A:I think that regardless, like, even if they had stayed friends or whatever, but especially if they were dating, she'd fucking hate Abby.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And that would also be really interesting too, to see Abby or for Abby to see Buck in a serious relationship.
Speaker C:In this scenario, we're going to suppose that it's like a happy, like, relatively healthy relationship.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Just for the what if.
Speaker C:Because hypothetical.
Speaker C:So that would be really interesting for Abby to see Buck in that situation.
Speaker C:And maybe Abby think like, well, this is what I could have had and maybe have some regrets.
Speaker C:Regerts ragrets in that.
Speaker C:In that aspect.
Speaker B:Okay, well, anyway, if Shannon had lived, Eddie wouldn't have done his like, weird thing he did in season seven where he dated the ghost of Shannon and then.
Speaker B:And then Kip wouldn't randomly come to his house and they would.
Speaker B:They'd be doing this like, weird, like therapy role playing.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker B:That wouldn't have happened.
Speaker C:That has long reaching consequences because then Chris wouldn't be in Texas.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:I say maybe only because there's probably.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I feel like Eddie.
Speaker B:Eddie has the.
Speaker B:The opportunity to blow up his life, whether she is alive or Dead anymore.
Speaker C:Oh, for sure he will find.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He wouldn't be in the fight.
Speaker B:Not a club.
Speaker C:He wouldn't be in the fight club.
Speaker C:Just wait.
Speaker A:I just thought of the funniest possible.
Speaker C:Wait.
Speaker A:What if.
Speaker A:What if she lived?
Speaker A:We're in the same exact spot right now.
Speaker A:Because instead of him walking in on his dad with his mom's doppelganger, it was Buck's.
Speaker A:He was like, I literally can't deal with you.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Tell me when you've figured that out.
Speaker A:Tell me when you Bucker together.
Speaker A:I'll come home.
Speaker A:Oh, I'm done.
Speaker C:God, that's wild.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I feel like if.
Speaker C:I feel like if Shannon lived, they would have figured out, like, a co parenting thing because, like, they did kind of work out some sort of agreement for that, and it seemed to be working for the most part.
Speaker C:The parts that weren't working were the parts where, like, Eddie didn't know what he want.
Speaker C:Like, how he wanted to see Shannon, like, as just the mother to his child or, like, wife or girlfriend.
Speaker C:So with one of those options just, like, taken away, he would have just seen her as the mother to his child, and then maybe they would have reverted back to that camaraderie, that friendship that they had when they were younger, and they would have been besties.
Speaker C:And then you would have also seen what, like, a platonic bestie looks like for Eddie.
Speaker C:And Shannon might have said, like, okay, well, you know how we're best friends.
Speaker C:That's not what's going on here with you and Buck.
Speaker A:I think she'd have about as much success with it as Maddie does with Buck.
Speaker C:I'm not saying that he wouldn't be stupid about it.
Speaker A:I'm just saying she would have, like.
Speaker C:Oh, they would have so much.
Speaker A:Five monthly lunches, because otherwise they're going to, like, throttle them.
Speaker C:Actually, I.
Speaker C:I really like that idea of, like, Shannon and Maddie being friendly like that.
Speaker C:Like, that would be so interesting too, because they can commiserate about Eddie and Buck together.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, I'm still laughing at the idea of Christopher walking in on Eddie in a Buck doppelganger.
Speaker C:Crazy.
Speaker A:That's so funny to me.
Speaker A:Someone write that, please, please, because, like, she lived.
Speaker A:Okay, so he doesn't go to Texas.
Speaker A:He goes to live with Shannon, like, full, because they have.
Speaker A:They have shared custody.
Speaker A:Or like, maybe he has Chris during.
Speaker C:During the week and his off days.
Speaker A:And she has him, like, you know, when he's working his overnights.
Speaker C:Oh, wait, and then.
Speaker C:Okay, and Then we can move on.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:If Shannon had lived and Eddie and Shannon have, like a shared custody, co parenting sort of thing, and Chris is with Shannon a lot of the time.
Speaker C:Eddie would have to figure out who he is outside of being a father and a husband, so much sooner.
Speaker C:No, he wouldn't let me have a.
Speaker A:What do you think all his hobbies are about?
Speaker A:He has to fill every free moment.
Speaker C:I'm just trying to think.
Speaker C:No, because, like, those.
Speaker C:Those hobbies, those things that, like, he would do, like poker and.
Speaker C:Or, like, secret poker night.
Speaker C:Like, that is him kind of, like, doing things, like, outside of being a parent and a husband and stuff.
Speaker C:So, like, he would learn about himself so much more.
Speaker A:Oh, well, sure.
Speaker A:But I still think the gay thing would be, like, he'd be oblivious to it.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm not talking about, like, him having a queer realization.
Speaker C:I'm just talking about, like, having, like.
Speaker A:Okay, I have buddy blinders on.
Speaker A:I got you.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:No, agreed.
Speaker A:Co signed.
Speaker A:What if Abby came back for Buck?
Speaker A:How much longer do we think that realistically would have lasted?
Speaker A:Especially with Eddie there the side eyeing that?
Speaker B:I mean, I.
Speaker B:I think that Eddie would take one look at that relationship and be like, this is not a good.
Speaker B:Like, this is not for you.
Speaker B:I mean, and.
Speaker B:And on top of so, like, imagine this being like, okay, so Abby's.
Speaker B:Abby comes back.
Speaker B:Actually, what if, like, Abby comes back at the same time that Shannon came back and they're both going through this weird, like, ooh, maybe Buck is a little bit more blinded to it.
Speaker B:But, like, Eddie takes a look at.
Speaker B:One look at that relationship is like, no.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then Buck is looking at, like, what's going on between Eddie and Shannon.
Speaker B:He's like, yikes.
Speaker B:You guys don't really.
Speaker B:You guys don't even know what kind of relationship you guys are having.
Speaker A:It's like, you're married.
Speaker A:You don't know if you want to be together.
Speaker B:But then, see, Buck does this thing right.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:What I'm saying is, like, you know what I would want to happen is that they both take a look at each other's, like, respective relationship, you know, cross ref.
Speaker B:And then be like, no, no, this.
Speaker B:This relationship is not for you.
Speaker B:But then the reason why there's, like, a flaw to that kind of logic a little bit is because of the.
Speaker B:Because of what Buck says to Eddie in the Christmas episode about, like, oh, you just wanna.
Speaker B:You should be with her.
Speaker B:Because that's the whole, you know, that's Christopher's mom and like, basically saying what he probably wants to hear but is not what he.
Speaker B:You know, it's not the advice that he should have given.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:That's the flaw in the logic.
Speaker B:I feel like the exes coming back also not the X's.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, the.
Speaker B:The soon to be exes.
Speaker C:But, I mean, but in all intents and purposes, yeah.
Speaker B:I feel like when.
Speaker B:When Shannon came back, that's when, like, Eddie and Buck started to hang out a lot less.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker B:Well, that's what we.
Speaker B:That was what was shown on screen.
Speaker B:So we would have gotten more Abby and Buck, but we would have.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I feel like we would have gotten more of the negative sides of that relationship.
Speaker B:If anything, I.
Speaker B:I think we would have seen.
Speaker C:Especially with Maddie coming back and Buck establishing a partnership friendship with Eddie, I think we would have seen Buck outgrow Abby very quickly because he has so much more to anchor him at this point in time than.
Speaker C:Than he did before.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because it was like his whole world was basically firefighting, and Abby, now his world is expanded and, like, have so much more depth.
Speaker C:I think he would have outgrown Abby.
Speaker C:And I think maybe that this could have been as much.
Speaker C:As much as he loves to hold on tightly to things, maybe this would have been, like, the impetus of him cutting off a relationship and making that break and decision for himself rather than being the one broken up with.
Speaker C:So it would have, like, put him, like, in, like, empowered him.
Speaker A:I think she would have come back and he would have.
Speaker A:Because she wouldn't have been honest.
Speaker A:I don't think she's a terrible person.
Speaker A:I don't think she was ever going to be a good partner with him.
Speaker A:She would lie, and he would eventually find out that she cheated on him.
Speaker A:And that's how that would end.
Speaker B:Right, with the.
Speaker B:The Eat Pray Love experience.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yikes.
Speaker A:I don't think it would actually take that long because I feel like Maddie would keep bringing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so would Eddie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Then we would have gotten more Maddie.
Speaker A:And Eddie, and then he's got, like, their voices in his head.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so he probably just, like, brings it up.
Speaker A:Like, ha.
Speaker A:They keep saying that you went on an Eat Pray Love tour, and she just, like, gives him this look and he's like.
Speaker A:Like, I can just see that playing out in my head.
Speaker A:Like, I just.
Speaker A:I still don't think it actually would have lasted that long.
Speaker C:No, I don't think so either, but it would have ended differently.
Speaker C:So earlier today, we were on live.
Speaker C:We live streamed on our Socials, which you can check out.
Speaker C:It's Buddy system pod everywhere.
Speaker C:We try to go live before we record sometimes.
Speaker C:That's usually on Saturday afternoons and going live after new episodes air on Thursday.
Speaker C:So like 9, starting around 9, 9:30 Eastern Time.
Speaker C:So we wanted to crowdsource and see what.
Speaker C:What.
Speaker C:Some of our.
Speaker C:Some of our buddies had some ideas for some what ifs.
Speaker C:And Vera, who we saw on YouTube, asked, what if what a Man wasn't Eddie's introduction song.
Speaker C:And it's so funny to think about because that becomes so iconic.
Speaker C:But Han, as the resident music guru.
Speaker A:Megan the Stallion Body.
Speaker C: Was that out in: Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker A:I actually don't know.
Speaker A:Let me look it up.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:This is our what if time is.
Speaker C:Is irrelevant.
Speaker C:That's so funny.
Speaker A:I think I'm locking that in.
Speaker A:I don't know if I'm gonna think of something better than that, actually.
Speaker A:Like, almost any Megan B.
Speaker B:Stallion song.
Speaker A:I think she's very Eddie Cody.
Speaker C:Incredible.
Speaker A:I have a log.
Speaker A:I have a lot of Megan Thee Stallion on my Eddie playlist.
Speaker A:When this came out, just for shits and giggles.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:2020.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:The first thing I thought of was wap.
Speaker C:And I was like, no, I thought about that too.
Speaker C:But I thought, yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker A:I think I'm locking it in.
Speaker A:Final answer.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, there's other salt and pepper songs that also would have worked.
Speaker A:Like, but I think it's gotta be, like.
Speaker A:I think it's gotta be female rappers.
Speaker A:Like, I think it's got to be a female rap song.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker C:I like that, though.
Speaker A:Just the energy of it just feels right, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah, I.
Speaker C:It's so.
Speaker C:I mean, because it's so iconic, it's so hard to think of, like, what else would fit there.
Speaker C:And we know that, you know, the 911 music people do such a good job that it's hard to swap some of these out.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm cool with that.
Speaker C:That would be hilarious, actually.
Speaker C:Maybe we should edit that.
Speaker B:Just Pony.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Oh, Pony.
Speaker A:Genuine.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm down with that.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm just like any Megan Theista.
Speaker A:Just like, thought Savage Body, though.
Speaker A:I mean, I think it's gotta be body.
Speaker B:So Jay or.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Who.
Speaker B:Why not from Tick Tock asks, what if Maddie escaped but Doug never passed away?
Speaker C:So, like, are we thinking that Buck and Athena and Detective, whatever Marx is bad at his job, would catch or, like, catch up to Maddie and Doug before she has to kill him?
Speaker C:Because then he would be in jail.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I don't know how large of a sentence he would get because it.
Speaker A:They wouldn't even be able to get him with attempted murder.
Speaker C:He murdered the gas station attendant.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, that.
Speaker A:I guess he would.
Speaker C:So, I mean, if.
Speaker C:If nothing else.
Speaker C:Kidnapping.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Maybe attempted murder, definitely first degree for that gas station attendant.
Speaker C:That's what their court case would hinge upon, really.
Speaker C:So he would be kind of put away for who knows how long.
Speaker C:So there.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I think then there would always be a little bit of that fear in Matt in the back of Maddie's head.
Speaker C:So I don't think she would necessarily be able to feel like as comfortable moving on and really settling and putting down her roots here.
Speaker C:Because not only would Doug still be alive and, you know, could.
Speaker C:Could get out on behavior, probation behavior, some like, however many years down the line.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's going to be a sometime thing that she has to keep in mind.
Speaker C:But also it would be in California and so that.
Speaker A:So it would not be first degree murder, second degree.
Speaker C:Best to have second degree.
Speaker C:So it would be many years, probably.
Speaker A:That he would be put away 10 years to life.
Speaker C:So there would be something in the back of her mind saying, like it's an.
Speaker C:It's an inevitability that someday he will be back on the outside and, you know, could catch up with her again.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But also in the meantime, he's.
Speaker C:He'd probably be in prison in California, which is so much closer than, you know, him doing his own thing on the other side of the country.
Speaker C:So I think she would just be so much more uneasy about things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:He's still a psychopath.
Speaker B:I mean, he's still going to.
Speaker B:Once he gets out, he probably will go and look for her.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's something she's got to.
Speaker C:So would she go and witness.
Speaker C:They have to serve.
Speaker A:At least they have to serve.
Speaker A:I'm only looking at the secondary because I'm not like looking at the other shit.
Speaker A:But the second degree you have to serve in California because he would be tried in California, 15 years, has to be served to be eligible for parole.
Speaker A:So she'd be safe for 15 years.
Speaker C:But then what happens after that?
Speaker A:Bro, I am certain he'd get more than that for the kidnapping and for the attempted murder for Jimmy.
Speaker B:So the thing is, I could see him getting out for good behavior, like sooner.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker B:Well, I don't know.
Speaker B:Well, what do I know?
Speaker B:I mean, he would try is what I'm saying.
Speaker A:But you.
Speaker A:You don't get out for good behaviour, for murder charges like parole.
Speaker A:But you have to serve at least 15 years in California to even be eligible for parole, period.
Speaker C:The problem.
Speaker C:The problem is he's very smart.
Speaker C:So he'd probably find ways to like even if he were like out on parole, he'd find ways to like manipulate things.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think.
Speaker C:And that would just like Maddie would just be kind of counting down the years.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think she would ever.
Speaker B:Rough.
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker B:I mean like even though she's.
Speaker B:She is traumatized now or the.
Speaker B:The trauma just goes throughout seasons, it's.
Speaker B:She's still.
Speaker B:At least she knows like he's not coming after her.
Speaker B:So his death probably the best thing.
Speaker C:Done that could happen.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, agreed.
Speaker A:I think that probably it's the best way for her to have closure and be able to move on with her life that he is dead.
Speaker A:And that's probably why they wrote it that way.
Speaker C:It sucks that it was at her hand and that she has to deal with that kind of fallout emotionally.
Speaker C:But like getting him just like completely off the.
Speaker C:Off the playing board.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Good for her.
Speaker A:I think as a thought experiment just for like a fic would be fun to write or read because I have no time to write.
Speaker A:Would be fun to read something where he.
Speaker A:He does live and he goes to prison and like he gets out and Buck kills him.
Speaker C:Whoa.
Speaker B:Anyway, read the murder husband's pick from Murder Husband's Fic by Let me tell you about my feels.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Cheyenne from YouTube.
Speaker B:What if Abby had been clear when she broke up with Buck?
Speaker C:Spiral.
Speaker B:Why does everybody leave me?
Speaker C:I kind of think we would be seeing what we're seeing now in season eight a little bit honestly.
Speaker C:Like because especially because that was like his first big relationship and it's just like would he, would he have reverted back to 1.0?
Speaker C:I don't think he would have but.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:What I was thinking.
Speaker B:Well, okay, so like if we're paralleling the.
Speaker B:The Abby Eddie now right about like how he's help.
Speaker B:I'm still sitting at the restaurant here.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:If they're, if, if they're kind of being paralleled.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Supposedly Buck is getting a dog.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:In season two he's getting a.
Speaker B:A best friend.
Speaker B:So I mean it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker B:But he would.
Speaker C:That's going on social.
Speaker A:Eddie is very loyal.
Speaker B:Eddie's very loyal.
Speaker B:Well, okay.
Speaker B:And, and, and, and Buck throw kind of.
Speaker B:It's kind of.
Speaker B:I feel like it's kind of the same Thing.
Speaker B:But he's still like.
Speaker B:I mean, he's still spiraling even in season two currently, because, like, well, she.
Speaker B:Well, not spiraling.
Speaker B:He's just kind of like, oh, I do have a relationship.
Speaker B:But then he doesn't.
Speaker B:But obviously doesn't.
Speaker B:He's thinking about it too much.
Speaker B:So if she broke up with him, you know, he would have been spiraling around with, why does everyone leave me?
Speaker B:But then enter Eddie.
Speaker B:He has a new best friend.
Speaker B:He kind of throws himself into his friendship with Eddie and helping out with Christopher, I think.
Speaker C:So he'd kind of still be in the same boat.
Speaker A:So here's what I'm focusing on, because I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker A:I can't actually decide if he would be more res.
Speaker A:I think it would go swing one way or the other.
Speaker A:I don't think his reaction to Eddie at the beginning would be the same.
Speaker A:I think he either.
Speaker A:Because he would have had, like, the time for the closure to get over it.
Speaker A:Maybe he would have been able to feel a little bit more secure instead of so unmoored.
Speaker A:And maybe he could have, like, had a normal ish reaction that would have been just more gay panic focused than, you know, that.
Speaker A:Or maybe it's worse because he decides he is never opening himself up to new people, and so now he's even more territorial, insecure.
Speaker C:Buck wouldn't have turned friendly as.
Speaker B:As quickly as he did.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:There would have been more of a rivalry there, which would also be interesting to see.
Speaker C:It's like Eddie thinking, like, why does everybody love this guy?
Speaker C:And why does this guy love everybody except me?
Speaker C:What did I do wrong?
Speaker A:I think it still would have only lasted until.
Speaker A:Okay, but this is.
Speaker A:I mean, no, it still only would have lasted and.
Speaker A:Well, actually, we don't know.
Speaker A:We don't know for sure because we have filled in the blanks.
Speaker A:We don't know for sure why Buck drives Eddie to pick up Christopher at the end of 203.
Speaker A:But if it's because of the widely accepted fanon that, like, Eddie's car was blocked by debris or something, then I think it's very possible that Buck could have still done that.
Speaker A:And then I think that as soon as there's, like, the kid and it's over, it's game over, then everything kind of continues on the same front.
Speaker C:So basically it just would have lasted an episode longer or.
Speaker A:Or it would.
Speaker A:It would last until he meets Christopher.
Speaker A:That's basically, I think, how long it would take.
Speaker A:But it's like, at what point would he Be meeting Christopher if he's being antagonistic towards Eddie.
Speaker A:So it's either three or maybe.
Speaker A:No, it would be three or four.
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker C:Four stuck is.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, four.
Speaker A:Yeah, four.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So it wouldn't last that much longer, but it would.
Speaker C:It would, I mean, be drawn out a little more, I think.
Speaker A:I mean, two to three episodes is a lot longer than half of an episode.
Speaker A:I keep forgetting that.
Speaker C:It's like literally only the first 20, 25 minutes.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, but yeah, it just.
Speaker A:Christopher would just be the.
Speaker A:The key.
Speaker A:The key there, I think.
Speaker C:Let's see Julia from Patreon.
Speaker A:And YouTube.
Speaker C:And YouTube.
Speaker C:And everywhere.
Speaker A:We're everywhere.
Speaker C:Everywhere, man.
Speaker C:Julia, who also picked the.
Speaker C:The starting off topic for the live stream, which you can do too, if you become a buddies with benefits.
Speaker C:So Julia said, what if Buck saw Doug at the Christmas tree lot?
Speaker C:I loved that thought.
Speaker C:So interesting because Doug was so.
Speaker C:I mean, we.
Speaker C:We talk about how all of these characters are so intelligent, but Doug was so smart and so manipulative that he would have been, like, lurking in between the trees or something, like, waiting for Buck to leave so he could approach chimney.
Speaker C:And just imagine if, like, Buck had, like, turned around at the.
Speaker C:At the right time, basically, and saw that.
Speaker C:And would he.
Speaker C:Would he.
Speaker A:Or decided he needed to complain about how weird it was that Eddie hadn't.
Speaker C:Told again, he was like.
Speaker A:And another thing turned around and Doug.
Speaker C:Is there two thoughts here.
Speaker C:One, would Buck immediately recognize Doug and know, like, danger, danger, Will Robinson, Which I think yes.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know what Doug would have been able to get away with in public.
Speaker C:That's the thing.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Because Buck would have alerted Maddie.
Speaker C:Like, he would have.
Speaker C:Buck would have shooed chimney out of there, like, post haste.
Speaker C:He would have alerted Maddie.
Speaker C:Maddie would have probably talked to Athena.
Speaker C:Maybe they could have gotten like a restraining order.
Speaker C:And if he broke that, then they could send him to jail again.
Speaker C:But would they have been able to hold him there?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:So then I think it comes back.
Speaker A:To restraining order for what?
Speaker C:I don't know how the law works.
Speaker A:That's the thing is I don't think that she could have actually gotten a restraint.
Speaker C:So she might be able to, though, Like.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, I don't know why.
Speaker C:My brain is going legalese.
Speaker B:I mean, can she.
Speaker B:If she explained to the police that he was abusive, like, if she's in.
Speaker C:Fear for her life because he has threatened her before and they can prove.
Speaker B:It with, like, the.
Speaker B:That one call, like when they Were still living in Pennsylvania, I guess.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That welfare check.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, there were, like, suspicions, right?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker C:But you know, you know what?
Speaker C:It doesn't matter anyways, because with Athena Grant on her side, they could do whatever they want.
Speaker A:I mean, that's true.
Speaker A:She will abuse the law, but everyone.
Speaker B:Know that she was running away from something and that something showed up.
Speaker A:I don't actually know the.
Speaker A:The like, ins and outs of restraining orders for this.
Speaker A:I think normally you need to have some.
Speaker A:Some.
Speaker A:Some sort of proof, but we don't need to get into that.
Speaker A:I think my direct thought was, like, I don't know how much Doug would be able to get away with in public, because I was like, he would.
Speaker A:I think Buck would freeze for at least a moment.
Speaker A:And I feel like that would be long enough for Doug to, like, grab Jimmy, but I don't know how much.
Speaker A:Yeah, but, like, he'd be away.
Speaker C:What would his end game get away with?
Speaker C:Like, what would his end game be there, though?
Speaker C:Because that kind of we do see, like in fight or flight, like, Doug has to kind of adapt to, like, diverge from his original plan.
Speaker C:But, like, what would he do with Chimney there?
Speaker A:You know, because his original plan was just to, like, kind of monitor her because he was okay with her staying with Buck and figured she would, like, come to her senses and come home, basically.
Speaker A:But because she was interested in pursuing Chimney, that's when.
Speaker A:And then made a move.
Speaker A:That's when he shifted.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I don't know, like, what actually would have played out if she hadn't pursued Chimney because, like, he's unstable.
Speaker A:But I think that would have, like, pushed him to that kind of similar point, like, seeing Buck because he knows Buck, like, the jig is up if Buck sees him.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker C:So were you gonna see?
Speaker A:Hopefully.
Speaker A:Hopefully, like, everything would just work out for them.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, we've got.
Speaker A:We have got Bucks Leo rising in the game now.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so maybe it would just work out.
Speaker C:Does Chimney have a Leo something?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But even if he does, we haven't discussed that on the pod yet.
Speaker C:All right, sure.
Speaker C:So last one.
Speaker B:This is from Chrissy from Tick Tock.
Speaker B:What if Bug had been there when Doug had stabbed Chim?
Speaker B:Oops.
Speaker A:Oh, I wrote Buck twice.
Speaker C:We are about Buck.
Speaker C:What if Book had been there?
Speaker C:Like, like he was already at home or like, he just came home sooner?
Speaker A:I think you could got Maddie out of the situation and then they could have gotten Doug put away for Attempted murder.
Speaker B:We're good.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:Buck probably would have gotten hurt in the process.
Speaker A:There was a second one, which I can answer very quickly from Chrissy.
Speaker A:What if Buck had been dating Taylor instead when the ladder truck happened?
Speaker A:And would she have left, too?
Speaker A:Season two, Taylor maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe would have left, but she didn't seem to be someone who wanted to, like, have a relationship to begin with.
Speaker A:So I don't know that they would have been, like, dating.
Speaker A:I feel like they would have been just, like, hooking up.
Speaker C:And then she would have been like, you're of no use to me right now.
Speaker C:So, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, because she's not like Nurse Nightingale.
Speaker B:I feel like she's like, I'm sorry that happened to you, but.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, let me know when you're.
Speaker A:Back on your feet.
Speaker B:No, it's that.
Speaker C:It's that I'm not reading all that, but I'm sorry that happened to you or I'm happy for you.
Speaker C:Bye.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And then our last segment for our season two wrap is our into the Looking Glass, where we just kind of touch base on some parallels between this season and future seasons.
Speaker C:So, not that we haven't been doing that the whole time, but.
Speaker A:No, but there are some very specific ones.
Speaker A:There's some very specific ones between season two and season eight, because guess who's back.
Speaker C:Back again.
Speaker C:So many of them are a bunch of people.
Speaker C:So many people.
Speaker C:I was like, shannon and Abby and Mr.
Speaker C:Redacted are back, I wrote.
Speaker A:And Mr.
Speaker A:Bones, too, I guess.
Speaker C:We keep talking about that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Shannon, Shannon dead, but never gone.
Speaker C:She's still here, but not forgotten.
Speaker A:Literally never forgotten.
Speaker B:Rip Queen, I guess.
Speaker A:And, you know, Abby wasn't in season two, but, like, she was haunting, literally haunting Buck.
Speaker A:And, oh, look, it.
Speaker A:It came back to haunt him again.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:It's one of those things where even their absence is such a felt presence.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So she's basically still there.
Speaker A:And then there's that guy out.
Speaker A:Go listen to the guy episode.
Speaker A:We're done.
Speaker A:Well, you have nothing new to say about it.
Speaker C:If you'd like to hear more.
Speaker A:He's there.
Speaker C:He's there.
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker A:And then we have Buck's love hate relationship with fire engines.
Speaker C:Oh, boy, oh, boy.
Speaker C:Oh, boy.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:So specifically so we see in 214, broken buck or Bobby has everybody roll under the trucks for cover when the.
Speaker C:The plane is coming in, when that man, supposedly, that man off screen, allegedly.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker C:Is coming to save the day.
Speaker C:It's Chimney saving the day on his orders.
Speaker C:Thank you very much.
Speaker C:Interim captain Hannah saves the day.
Speaker C:So there's the order for everybody to take cover under the truck, which kind of paralleled when.
Speaker C:When truck go boom and crushing.
Speaker C:Oh, Han, I think you said like, boom, crash, the sound of my heart.
Speaker A:Yes, I did say boom, crash, the sound of my heart.
Speaker C:So the.
Speaker C:The 214 under the truck parallel the 2 18.
Speaker C:Buck being crushed by the truck, which then, you know, moving forward in season three, when Buck and Christopher find.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker C:The 136's engine as basically their life raft, where.
Speaker C:So that's like not under, but on top of.
Speaker C:But still.
Speaker C:And then of course.
Speaker C:And then of course in season four where Buck yet again has to roll under the truck and find safety.
Speaker C:So there's this.
Speaker C:There's this kind of like tension between the engine being a safe haven, a life raft, like a point of safety, and kind of dangerous.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Which I guess is kind of like indicative of firefighting as a job as a whole.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:There's this push pull of like being safe but being.
Speaker C:But like also being dangerous.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:So just lots of Buck and truck.
Speaker B:Beautiful.
Speaker A:And then we have my personal favorite, Eddie moving to LA to build a life for Chris from Texas.
Speaker A:And now he's moving back to Texas, away from his life for Chris.
Speaker C:Oh, Eddie.
Speaker A:Uplifting stuff.
Speaker A:When it's Eddie all the time, he's.
Speaker C:Really trying to dig himself out of that hole.
Speaker C:I said what I said.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker C:But just to.
Speaker A:Just to end on an uplifting note.
Speaker A:I forget who fucking said this.
Speaker A:I didn't write it.
Speaker A:One of our.
Speaker A:Our lovely buddies.
Speaker A:Listeners.
Speaker A:Buddies on the live stream suggested this as a parallel as well, which is Matt, Maddie, and Chimney in the karaoke scene in season.
Speaker A:Paralleling.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And Buck actually paralleling the Buck and Eddie karaoke scene, which we see for three seconds.
Speaker C:Oh, it always comes back to karaoke, though.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:So whatever.
Speaker A:The karaoke version of fork found in kitchen is microphone found at karaoke.
Speaker C:Yeah, sounds about right.
Speaker C:And maybe we'll see more of it someday.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker C:I know you're angling for like, a flashback sort of situation.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't think we're getting that in the flashback unless they actually made out at the bachelor party, which I don't think they're going that route.
Speaker B:And that's a wrap on our season two wrap.
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