crushcrushcrush (2x18: This Life We Choose)
Duck and cover, because this week’s episode is explosive!
Han, Cil, and Rachel hit the ground running, leaving no stone or fire engine unturned in Season 2 Episode 18, of 9-1-1 “This Life We Choose.”
The dirt hasn’t even settled in Shannon’s grave when Eddie’s parents try to stage the world’s most inappropriate intervention. We tear into the astoundingly bad parenting and its effects on Eddie and how the life and family he chooses is his real support system.
Bobby and Athena put their detective hats on at the beginning of the episode and exchange rings at the end! At least someone at the 118 is having a happy ending. Meanwhile, Maddie and Chimney choose to finally enter the next act of their rom-com as Hen and Karen decide to expand their family.
Buck is having the first of many no good, very bad days when the crushing weight of reality and a fire engine leaves him out of a job and a girlfriend. Who needs any of that when he can have his best friend’s back despite his doctor’s recommendations. Some things are more important than your health, like hugging your (work) partner.
We talk closet space, because you can never have too much, right Buck and Eddie? There’s a lot of symbolism, metaphors, and parallels to unpack, but don’t worry, we took a lot of notes and came prepared to share with the class.
This episode is layered like a lasagna of feels from the camaraderie at the station to the heart-stopping moments with Buck’s near-death experience, we explore how the life that the 118 chooses shapes them as individuals and a family.
The next time you’re having a bad day, just think about Buck in this episode. What’s more crushed, his leg, or his heart?
📔 Articles Mentioned
📰 ‘9-1-1’ Chief on That Crushing Finale, Bobby’s Big Decision and Maddie and Chimney’s Future, The Wrap
📰 9-1-1 EP Tackles Those Romantic Finale Twists, Teases Buck’s Season 3 ‘Crisis’, TV Line
📰 ‘9-1-1’ Boss on Bobby & Athena’s Big Moment & Buck’s ‘Perilous’ Position in the Season 2 Finale, TV Insider
📰 Charisma Carpenter’s ‘Naughty’ 9-1-1 Visit Postponed by Network Censors, TV Line
📔 Fanworks Mentioned:
📚 Those Two Firefighters, by DarkFairytale on Archive of Our Own
📚 The Bunkroom Fic, by exvichan on Archive of Our Own
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Chapters
(00:00:00) Intro - Welcome to Dispatch
(00:03:03) General Thoughts
(00:12:43) Jaws of Life - Deep Dive
(00:27:08) Needle Drop - Music Analysis
(00:30:37) Red String Corner
(00:40:23) Flashover - Themes
(00:45:43) Who’s Cookin’? - Character Arcs
(01:10:48) Eddie
(01:30:20) Buck
(02:01:10) Where’s the Fire - Scene Dissection (Buck & Ali Breakup)
(02:23:52) Slow Burn - Bi Buck & Buddie Watch
(02:41:35) Buddie Begins
(02:48:49) The First Buddie Hug
(02:56:19) Outro & Take a Buddie With You
Transcript
Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?
Speaker B:A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.
Speaker C:This is the Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DMed each other enough character dissertations to earn a PhD in media literacy.
Speaker A:I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.
Speaker B:I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.
Speaker C:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
Speaker A:With our powers combined, no stone is.
Speaker C:Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.
Speaker B:This week we're discussing season two, episode 18, this life we choose.
Speaker B:Written by Tim Minier and directed by Bradley Bucher.
Speaker C:Bradley Buke.
Speaker B:I'll say it normally.
Speaker B:Bradley Bucher originally aired using the other one.
Speaker A:Telling you right now.
Speaker C:We need to come up with like Tim.
Speaker C:Tim's name doesn't lend him lend itself to like that kind of pomp and circumstance.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, I was supposed to say Tim.
Speaker B:Timothy.
Speaker B:Tim.
Speaker B:Tim Myer.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker C:We have of course a few calls of the week.
Speaker C:First one being like fork found in kitchen, backpack found in schoolyard.
Speaker C:Mass panic ensues when news about the serial bomber reaches the public, which causes an abundance of caution to call in the bomb squad for a suspicious backpack left on the playground of an elementary school.
Speaker C:Which turns out to be a false alarm.
Speaker C:But they're later not so lucky when a package arrives in at the doorstep of Athena's home.
Speaker C:Our next call is with a little rustees and an insane amount of luck.
Speaker C:You too can look like me.
Speaker C:Ka chow.
Speaker C:Where?
Speaker C:Where an Evel Knievel esque stunt performer gets stuck in the engine of his beloved car.
Speaker C:The next is I'm a beautiful butterfly.
Speaker C:A beauty influencer is caught on her live stream, falling and breaking her clavicle when a bot fly emerges from her face.
Speaker C:And our last and let's be real, our most important call is buckle boom.
Speaker C:The 118 becomes the serial bomber's latest target when one of the engines is outfitted with an explosive and detonates en route to a call, crushing Buck, who becomes pinned underneath the blast.
Speaker A:Would you say he's getting pinned like a butterfly?
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker C:Oh God, I am so glad that I don't mind making fun of being absolutely ridiculous in perpetuity.
Speaker C:I'm a beautiful butterfly.
Speaker C:That's from the bugs Land.
Speaker A:So, thoughts, feelings, concerns about this episode.
Speaker B:The pyrotechnics were amazing.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, you know, you.
Speaker B:I can't Take this.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:We're off to a really bad start already.
Speaker B:And that was before we hit record.
Speaker C:So we're at the.
Speaker C:We're at the end of the season, season two.
Speaker C:It's kind of wild that we finally made it here.
Speaker C:It feels like.
Speaker C:Feels like just yesterday we were.
Speaker C:We were gearing up for episode one of season two, where we finally got to see Eddie does it.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:But you know what?
Speaker A:Season two has felt a lot shorter than season one did, and that was only 10 episodes.
Speaker C:How is this only.
Speaker C:How is this almost twice as long?
Speaker C:And it feels like we've just like, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker C:This season is almost twice as long, and it just seems like we've been going through them faster.
Speaker A:Good season.
Speaker C:It's the excellent season.
Speaker A:I love season.
Speaker A:Eddie's there, Maddie's there.
Speaker C:That helps.
Speaker A:There's no Abby.
Speaker C:I'm trying so hard as we go through this episode to like, not do the paralleling it to.
Speaker C:To everything in the previous season or.
Speaker C:Or throughout the season because, like, I know that will be for our season two wrap and we'll have a lot to say there.
Speaker C:So I'm trying to stick it to, like, okay, this episode.
Speaker C:But it.
Speaker A:How about.
Speaker A:How about I.
Speaker A:I help you?
Speaker A:If you start doing that, I'll go.
Speaker C:It sounds good.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:I do think this is a really great final episode to this season.
Speaker C:I think that it.
Speaker C:It bookends things very well.
Speaker C:Everybody has, like, a very full character arc.
Speaker C:We get to know the characters a lot better.
Speaker C:I think the inclusion of.
Speaker C:Oh, that wasn't.
Speaker C:I was going to say, like, the inclusion of the begins episodes, but that's not the episode.
Speaker B:Censoring herself.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I really like how they.
Speaker C:They end this episode.
Speaker C:It is more hopeful for all but one.
Speaker C:All but one.
Speaker A:Hell no.
Speaker A:Eddie's not doing so hot either.
Speaker C:Not great, but it better off.
Speaker A:I mean, he can work well.
Speaker B:I thought it was an explosive episode.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:That one is fair.
Speaker C:That one I think is fair game because it is.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker B:Like Rachel said, it really is really bookended.
Speaker B:You could see, like, how they.
Speaker B:Where they started and how they ended.
Speaker B:You know, a lot of character growth.
Speaker B:We've got good setup for the.
Speaker B:The next season, I guess.
Speaker B:Bobby and Athena are married.
Speaker A:Buck is Buck.
Speaker B:Buck.
Speaker B:And I mean, this ha.
Speaker B:This is the beginning of Eddie's insane insanity arc.
Speaker B:Honestly.
Speaker A:It's still going.
Speaker B:It's still going.
Speaker B:We've never.
Speaker B:We've.
Speaker B:We never.
Speaker B:We never stop.
Speaker C:Seven years.
Speaker A:Seven years long.
Speaker B:Seven years running.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's, that's pretty much it for me.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, this is just a good, it's a, it's a good ending.
Speaker B:I think I'm just, I think I'm just so used to.
Speaker B:Okay, so like, this is the only show that kind of never really given me like one of those, like, oh my God.
Speaker B:Cliffhangers that I'm like at the end of a season.
Speaker B:So that, yeah.
Speaker B:That there's so much anxiety and I know that we got to binge it, but it was like, oh, no, it's nice.
Speaker B:Like, okay, so like, we can still build off of that.
Speaker B:There's still some like, cliffhangers here and there, but they're not like, oh my God, like, what, I have to know what happens or is a character in peril?
Speaker B:I don't really feel like a character's in peril.
Speaker B:Well, I guess, except Buck's leg is.
Speaker C:A, I mean, that's more of like his future is in peril as opposed to like life or death situation, which I feel like so many shows do provide in a, in a season finale.
Speaker C:Like, and, and we've talked about this before where 911 kind of flips that where like those big emergencies, those big cliffhangery things are at the beginning of a season and when they come back from the mid season, like the, the winter break, I do like that formula and it's nice to kind of like not have to stress as much about most things for, you know, another three months.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I, I just, I just like that Tim, my near just wraps things up with a nice little bow, you know, not one that is set on fire slowly but surely burning away.
Speaker B:But anyway.
Speaker B:Sorry, that was a weird one.
Speaker C:It was fine.
Speaker A:I have two things I need to say before my thoughts.
Speaker A:The first one I just have to say because I'll forget if I don't.
Speaker A:You were like, oh, doesn't give us giant cliffhangers like other shows.
Speaker A:My brain went supernatural.
Speaker A:I thought demon Dean.
Speaker A:And then I was like, they can't really do that on this show.
Speaker A:And I went, I know exactly how they can do that and it would be great and I would love to see it.
Speaker A:This is what, like after Buddy's already together, I think probably this is how you.
Speaker A:This is how they could successfully do a presumed dead arc.
Speaker C:Oh, no.
Speaker A:Everyone thinks they're dead, but we see, we, the audience see them before I'm on board.
Speaker C:Yes, because we're not stressed out, but the characters are stressed out.
Speaker C:That is.
Speaker A:But we're stressed out for the other characters who think that they're dead.
Speaker C:That is really quite preferable to us being stressed out, not knowing if the characters are dead or alive.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, that would have to.
Speaker A:Because that's how.
Speaker A:Because otherwise.
Speaker A:Otherwise you're gonna have people rioting.
Speaker A:Right, but that's what.
Speaker A:That's how they did demon Dean, though.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:We were like, you killed Dean?
Speaker A:Like, killed him.
Speaker A:Killed him because, like, they come back to life, much like they do on this show, you know, but, like, makes more sense because Supernatural.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then the very last shot, if you haven't gone to Supernatural, what season is that?
Speaker C:That's End of nine.
Speaker C:End of nine.
Speaker C:Going into nine.
Speaker A:So the very last thing you see, like, they kill Dean, and the very last thing you see is him open his eyes, and his eyes are black.
Speaker C:Like a demon, which means you're a demon.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:And honestly, when we were talking or when Sil was talking about the cliffhanger stuff, I immediately thought of demon Dean.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Because that was, like, the most cliffhangery cliffhanger they ever gave us.
Speaker A:So anyway, they should do that now.
Speaker A:My on topic thing.
Speaker A:Not really on topic.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker A:You saw me laughing earlier.
Speaker A:Rachel, I think.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:I'm talking about, like, Syl was like.
Speaker A:Oh, it's a really good bookend.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, the first episode is called Under Pressure, and we end with Buck literally under pressure.
Speaker C:The pressure of the truck.
Speaker A:Hilarious.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:No, no, there's.
Speaker C:There's something.
Speaker C:And I don't know if we want to really go into it in this episode.
Speaker C:I'll probably.
Speaker C:I think I would like to have a dedicated, like, little segment in our season wrap about the parallels specifically between the setup from the season premiere and the finale and how thematically and a bunch of stuff that they like, really kind of are perfect bookends to each other.
Speaker C:There's just, like, a couple things that I'll point out here now, but I think I would like to go into more depth in the, in the rap, because, yeah, every.
Speaker C:Under pressure, for sure.
Speaker C:I, I, I actually went back to when I was rewatching this episode today.
Speaker C:I went back and rewatched a little bit of 201 also, so I could compare a couple things.
Speaker C:So that's how, you know, they go together.
Speaker A:But my general thoughts are very much along the lines of Syl and Rachel's.
Speaker A:I think it's a really good episode by itself.
Speaker A:I think it's a really good ending to the bomber arc they started.
Speaker A:I think That's a really good ending to the season.
Speaker A:And I think they do a really good job, I think, of setting not only, like, giving you, like, the conclusion of kind of what's been going on lately, but also setting them up for, like, where they're going to be going next.
Speaker A:So, like, they wrap it in a bow.
Speaker A:But it's not like, everything's great and perfect and we should just end the show here.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, you're ready to see what's happening next.
Speaker C:It's not giving the finale of season six.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:And I think this is also Another thing that 911 does do very well.
Speaker C:Like, just generally is for their season finales.
Speaker C:They set things up so you know exactly where these characters are going to be when we pick them up in the next season.
Speaker C:Like, it's a very clear delineation.
Speaker C:There's no.
Speaker C:Just even.
Speaker C:Even with the time jumps that they have.
Speaker C:Like, it's just like, okay, and we're going to be dealing with this for this character.
Speaker C:We're going to be dealing with this for that character.
Speaker C:And they will all, like, mesh and intermingle together and in different ways.
Speaker C:But that's.
Speaker C:I mean, that is kind of what you have to do when you don't have a big cliffhanger.
Speaker C:You have to set things.
Speaker C:You have to, like, lay the groundwork for what you're going to jump off of next time as opposed to just, like, tying it with a little bow.
Speaker C:Like, this is.
Speaker C:This is it.
Speaker C:We don't have to go any further with that.
Speaker C:No, it's like, you know, it keeps you in, interested, invested.
Speaker C:I can't wait till we get to season six.
Speaker C:I'm good.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:I have so many thoughts.
Speaker C:That's a while.
Speaker A:We're gonna need the Jaws of life over here.
Speaker A:Let's start the deep dive.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:So Buck's not the only one that needs the Jaws of life.
Speaker C:That was terrible, ma'am.
Speaker C:Well, okay.
Speaker C:Just moving on.
Speaker C:This being the season finale, there were a number of articles that came out.
Speaker C:They were all.
Speaker C:Or the ones that I found were interviews with Tim.
Speaker C:I near.
Speaker C:So I'll pull up a couple different quotes from those.
Speaker C:He's talking.
Speaker C:I mean, just generally, like, there's a lot of overlapping information and comments here.
Speaker C:Like, he says kind of the same things about Bobby and Athena, but there were a couple quotes that I thought were interesting or something, you know, kind of enlightening.
Speaker C:So the first article was from the Wrap.
Speaker C:This was written by Jennifer moss, and it's 911 chief on that crushing finale, Bobby's big decision and Maddie and Chimney's future.
Speaker C:So this interviewer, Jennifer Moss, asked about Maddie and Chimney finally getting together after, you know, that that kind of will they won't they.
Speaker C:And they won't for.
Speaker C:For a while of the season and asks like, does that mean we're in store for a real relationship?
Speaker C:And to my near says, I think what I wanted to see as a fan after all of the trauma of season two was to be reassured that the foundations of these relationships were intact.
Speaker C:And I love that he's looking at it from, like a fan of the show perspective.
Speaker C:I think that that is generally what he does.
Speaker C:Like he writes or he hears the show in.
Speaker C:In a way when he's showrunning in a way that it's something that he.
Speaker C:He in turn would want to see.
Speaker C:And I think, you know, like, writers are supposed to write what they know and an artist, like, draw what they see.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I think that's like the same kind of thing.
Speaker A:So good way to think of showrunning.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Thank you for completing that sentence for me.
Speaker C:So he says, I think it was right for her to take a beat, for Maddie to take a beat, and for them both to have time to reflect.
Speaker C:But he wanted to go out on a hopeful feeling.
Speaker C:And I think that's what they accomplished there with Maddie and Chimney and then moving on to Bobby and Athena getting married at the courthouse.
Speaker C:So she asked, like, why did Bobby and Athena do that instead of the big wedding that they've been planning?
Speaker C:And Tim emphasized that, as with the theme of this episode and.
Speaker C:And pretty much the theme of the show, it's that Bobby and Athena know that life can change on a dime.
Speaker C:And sometimes planning is a fool's errand and you have to live in the moment and not wait for something to happen because you never know what's around the corner.
Speaker C:And he thought it was a perfect bookend to the end of season one with Bobby and Athena, where we see Bobby, you know, going to his date with Athena and throwing away his little book and.
Speaker C:And they sit across from each other and suddenly it's a.
Speaker C:It's a world of possibility.
Speaker C:So I think that's this kind of realized in that way.
Speaker C:The next article I found from TV Line, and this is from Andy Swift.
Speaker C:So 911 executive producer tackles those romantic finale twists, teases, Bucks season three crisis.
Speaker C:So one of the first things Andy Swift, the.
Speaker C:The interviewer for this one asked about was the call with the bot fly.
Speaker C:The maggot.
Speaker C:And Tim just, Tim just laughed and said that was definitely a shout out to the Twitterverse.
Speaker C:And I'm pretty.
Speaker B:Oh, right, never mind.
Speaker C:And I mean, I think it's pretty.
Speaker A:Shout out to my gaze.
Speaker A:Yeah, shout out to my girl's gaze.
Speaker A:And Maze, that's what he said.
Speaker C:He was really like, yeah, all of those chat, those people in the chat on the live stream, like, shout out to you guys.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, I think sometimes he perceives a little too much.
Speaker C:But it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker C:So I just wanted to highlight that.
Speaker C:And the interviewer goes on to say, what made you decide to give everybody a relatively happy ending to many years?
Speaker C:Again, it's what he would have wanted as a fan.
Speaker C:And when you look at, at the end of season one, it's, it's pretty similar.
Speaker C:In fact, it's a bookend.
Speaker C:But it can't all be roses.
Speaker C:So we left Buck having an existential crisis and I think that's one of his favorite things to do for like a mid season or a finale is to just leave.
Speaker C:Crisis.
Speaker A:What's been having an existential crisis since we met him?
Speaker B:Yeah, he's been having an.
Speaker C:Buck has been having an existential crisis since he was born, whether he knew it or not.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker C:And speaking of Buck, the interviewer said that, you know, they also really liked Buck with Ally.
Speaker C:Felt like they need, like Buck needed someone who understands his passion for his job.
Speaker C:And Tim is speaking about Ally in what he says that with Ali it was important to have someone that doesn't choose this life who's outside of that and seeing everything from a different point of view.
Speaker C:And it's not like Abby and the season finale of season one like this with Buck and Alley is still very much the beginning of a relationship, but it's a grown up woman choosing to face something.
Speaker C:I mean, I know there are similarities.
Speaker C:I know there are similarities, but what.
Speaker A:Episode did they get together?
Speaker A:Buck actually, which was episode eight.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Which is almost halfway through the season.
Speaker A:They've been together for 6,6ish months, maybe a little less.
Speaker A:Because if this whole season is a year, which is what we're supposed to believe because it's Eddie's probationary year.
Speaker C:I don't, I don't think it's a full year.
Speaker C:I think it goes like from fall to spring ish summer.
Speaker B:How long is a firefighter's probation?
Speaker A:Google?
Speaker A:12 months.
Speaker A:Says I looked up LAFD specifically 12 months.
Speaker C:Does that include the Academy?
Speaker A:Doesn't include the Academy?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Can I continue?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So I don't think he means in the beginning of a relationship in terms of time, but just like they've spent a lot of time apart, so there's still.
Speaker C:So it would.
Speaker C:That's, that's what I think he means.
Speaker C:Like, it's the beginning of the, of a relationship, in their relationship.
Speaker C:Not as, not as like the time that has passed that they have been quote, unquote together, because also, we haven't seen that.
Speaker C:So he says this is.
Speaker C:Alli is a grown up woman choosing to face something honestly and she doesn't really know how she feels about it right now.
Speaker C:So that's where they are.
Speaker C:So it is different with, with Abby.
Speaker C:And I'm sure we'll talk about that more as we get to that.
Speaker C:And the next kind of interesting bit was, you know how this season we've been saying, yeah, they decided to kill Shannon, like, at, like, way, way early in the beginning.
Speaker C:So this interviewer I was very interested in this question, said, I'm glad Eddie isn't going back to El Paso.
Speaker C:And then that just triggered me for season eight.
Speaker C:So glad Eddie isn't going back to El Paso.
Speaker C:Us too.
Speaker C:But what made you decide to kill off Shannon last week with episode 17?
Speaker C:And Tim says, and I'm not sure how much I actually believe this little part, but here's the honest truth.
Speaker C:A lot of the audience had trouble accepting her because of Eddie's origin story, how he came into this world and how he came across.
Speaker C:So anyone who would walk away from Christopher, even if we hadn't met her yet, was going to be facing an uphill battle with the audience.
Speaker C:I agree with that.
Speaker C:I don't necessarily agree that they decided to kill her off after they saw a lot of the fan reaction.
Speaker A:That's not what he said, though.
Speaker C:Well, he said.
Speaker C:No, that's not.
Speaker C:That's not what he said.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker A:But he said that was a deflect.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:No, that's.
Speaker C:That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker C:He said, I saw a lot of fan reaction to the character and it did make Eddie's character more interesting and give him something to react against.
Speaker C:But he doesn't actually answer the question.
Speaker C:He makes it sound like they decided to do it because of the fan reaction.
Speaker C:But from, from what we've seen, I don't think so.
Speaker C:Because they've been.
Speaker C:They'd been building that up since before she even showed up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I can appreciate that.
Speaker C:Like, they were aware of the fan reaction And I think that's also, like, fan reaction to that is kind of stupid.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:I mean, this is coming from, like, a supernatural background where any of the female love interests were, like, completely hated upon or like, any of the female characters for so long were just, like, totally hated upon online.
Speaker C:So that's kind of what I got from his answer here.
Speaker C:But it is.
Speaker C:Truthfully, it is hard to introduce a character where you have so much kind of, like, up against them because their.
Speaker C:Their reputation has preceded them with.
Speaker C:With Shannon.
Speaker C:So I understand that.
Speaker C:But I do think they still were planning it the whole time.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker C:And then Tim says, I do love Devin Kelly, who plays Shannon.
Speaker C:She's a great actor who reminds me of every 70s movie star I ever loved, and I can't wait to work with her again.
Speaker C:We know.
Speaker C:We know.
Speaker C:Just like, I don't know, I feel like there's something there about her reminding him of all of the 70s movie stars and him loving 70s movies and him just, like, having a fascination with Devin Kelly and bringing her back every opportunity he can, which, like, totally fair.
Speaker C:She's awesome.
Speaker C:I just thought that was really funny.
Speaker C:And then he continues to crack me up.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, Timberly.
Speaker C:I need to stop having a parasocial relationship with Tim Minier.
Speaker C:Like, I'm in his head.
Speaker C:I'm not.
Speaker C:And then our last article is from TV Insider.
Speaker C:This is by Meredith Jacobs.
Speaker C:It's 91 1, boss on Bobby and Athena's big moment and Buck's perilous position in the season two finale.
Speaker C:And Meredith Jacobs asks about saying that, you know, being a firefighter is his life.
Speaker C:It's what matters to him.
Speaker C:So what's his mindset when he's trapped under the truck and finds out that he maybe should not have surgery right away, but decides to.
Speaker C:So Tim says Buck has really come a long way in the.
Speaker C:In the two seasons for firefighting.
Speaker C:It's a career, it's a calling.
Speaker C:It's all of those things for him, and it's his family, too.
Speaker C:And Bobby is kind of a father figure to him, and he doesn't feel like he has any other choice.
Speaker C:And sort of it's kind of like at the beginning of Bobby's speech at Eddie's shield ceremony where.
Speaker C:Where Bobby said, sometimes I think this life chooses us.
Speaker C:And it's one of those things for Buck, this.
Speaker C:This life chose him a little bit.
Speaker C:So Buck is in a place where he's had a real moment of existential crisis.
Speaker C:And again, they were going out on a season With Buck in the most perilous place of any of the characters.
Speaker C:The next question I wanted to highlight was, Eddie made a home for himself and his son, but how much of a struggle is it for him not to fall back on the support.
Speaker C:Support system of his family after losing his wife?
Speaker C:And this is a really great article.
Speaker C:I think it had a lot of very interesting questions, so everyone should check that out.
Speaker C:But Tim replied with, Eddie's family is kind of split.
Speaker C:I learned a new word.
Speaker C:It's called bifurcated, which is like.
Speaker C:Like a river taking two paths.
Speaker C:I was like, ooh, that's a good SAT word.
Speaker C:So his immediate family, his mother and his father and his sisters are all in El Paso, and he spent his formative years growing up there.
Speaker C:And this is, I think, the lore drop that I didn't really know.
Speaker C:So he said they probably.
Speaker C:They probably moved there when he was still in grade school or high school at the most.
Speaker C:But his family originated in Los Angeles.
Speaker C:So he's got this extended family of his Abuela and his Aunt Peppa and a support system out there.
Speaker C:And I thought that was really interesting because I had always kind of been a little curious how we got Peppa and Abuela in la, but everyone else was in El Paso.
Speaker C:So this is the little Tim's own headcanon about, you know, how Eddie's family is kind of, like, separate, and he's always kind of like pulled between two sides in that a little bit, I guess.
Speaker C:Beforehand, Tim says, you know, he's making a great life here for himself and for Eddie, it's all about Christopher.
Speaker C:So because Eddie doesn't want to uproot Christopher.
Speaker C:And even though Shannon has died, Eddie's in a weirdly good place because he has finished his probationary period and he's got these people around him to support him.
Speaker C:And it's partially his extended family, too.
Speaker C:So it's the family that he chose with the 118 and some of his more supportive blood family, extended family, because Lord knows some of them are not supportive.
Speaker C:And then just in speaking about Maddie being content at the call center after seeing the people, seeing how she changed people's lives.
Speaker C:And in that was the last episode, right?
Speaker C:And Timonier said, you know, Maddie says to Josh and Sue that she didn't really choose this being at Dispatch, and she was.
Speaker C:It was more like she was running away and hiding, and this was a place for her to nest and be safe.
Speaker C:Would she have chosen this if she didn't have to choose it?
Speaker C:So going through everything that she did.
Speaker C:Now she's not at dispatch to keep from dying.
Speaker C:She's there to live.
Speaker C:Or she's not there in LA on the run to keep from dying because of Doug.
Speaker C:She's there to live.
Speaker C:So it's the same job, but it means something new to her.
Speaker C:And I thought that was a nice way to kind of bookend Maddie's story as well.
Speaker C:But that was mostly for the last episode, too, so that covered that for press.
Speaker C:I think those were.
Speaker C:They were some really good articles.
Speaker C:I think that last one from TV Insider is really insightful.
Speaker C:The interviewer asked a lot of really good questions, so.
Speaker C:Or interesting.
Speaker C:Interesting questions.
Speaker C:So definitely go check it out, I think.
Speaker C:Are we ready to drop that needle, Han?
Speaker A:Okay, so just a couple.
Speaker A:A couple songs from this episode.
Speaker A:The first one is Tusk by Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker A:And mostly it's just a fun one because it's Fleetwood Mac.
Speaker A:And the vibes just kind of match the opening montage that it's playing during, where it's like all of the false calls from, you know, the people of LA being like, oh, I have the bomber pinned.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's just a mailman who isn't the usual mailman.
Speaker A:Oh, my neighbor who has an accent.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So all of the.
Speaker A:All of the calls that they were getting that were.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And then I think if they were looking at the lyrics, why they might have chosen it is we have things that are like, why don't you tell me what's going on?
Speaker A:Why don't you tell me who's on the phone?
Speaker A:Why don't you ask him what's going wrong?
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:That repeats a couple times.
Speaker A:But otherwise, lyrically, not really just going.
Speaker C:For vibes, more just going for vibes.
Speaker A:Then we have A Sanctuary by Welshy Arms, which I feel like everyone knows this song.
Speaker A:If you're, like, in the fandom, this is a big one for us in this place.
Speaker A:While the surrounding crowd at the ladder truck explosion come and help move the truck off of Buck.
Speaker A:And just some choice lyrics from this one.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna say this is our sanctuary.
Speaker A:You know that we can find shelter in peace.
Speaker A:You are safe with me.
Speaker A:That's the whole chorus.
Speaker A:It's, you are.
Speaker A:This is our sanctuary.
Speaker A:You can find shelter in peace.
Speaker A:And you are.
Speaker A:You're safe with me.
Speaker A:And then that's basically the vibe of the whole song.
Speaker A:It's kind of more of romantic song.
Speaker A:I think Lonnie on TikTok said that this would be, like, a candidate for a good Buddy.
Speaker A:First Kiss song.
Speaker A:And I was like, what?
Speaker A:But then I read the lyrics, and I was like, yes, okay, absolutely.
Speaker A:But it's a.
Speaker A:It's a good song.
Speaker C:I mean, it's definitely, like, kind of Bobby coded.
Speaker A:I feel like it's.
Speaker A:Everyone coded.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But it is.
Speaker A:It's a romantic.
Speaker A:If you read all the lyrics, then the last song, which I'll be talking about again in slow bur.
Speaker A:For those listening, I just stare directly into the camera with a dramatic pause.
Speaker A:This song is Once in My Life by the Decemberists, which I love.
Speaker A:I love the Decemberists in general.
Speaker A:This is such a sweet song.
Speaker A:And this plays as a montage at the end where it starts when Christopher is giving Eddie his helmet during the badge ceremony.
Speaker A:And then it leads into the monologue.
Speaker A:You know about.
Speaker A:This is what we choose.
Speaker A:We choose this.
Speaker A:We choose blah.
Speaker A:So some of the.
Speaker A:The lyrics of this and the vibe of this song go along really well with the monologue.
Speaker A:It just repeats a lot.
Speaker A:So just for once in my life could something go right?
Speaker A:I've been waiting all my life.
Speaker A:That's the song.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker C:That sounds very in line with, like, waiting all my life for.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then at the end, it's.
Speaker A:I could wait for hours.
Speaker A:I could wait and never fall down.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker C:We'll come back to that then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I love when we get good needle drops.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Rolling right into a red string corner.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:So we have some foreshadowing within this episode for Buck.
Speaker A:Getting exploded, smushed, floated, and smooshed, if you will, squished.
Speaker A:So at the very beginning of the episode, we have at the elementary school, everyone taking shelter behind the truck.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And also with this one, Buck says to.
Speaker C:To all of the kids, you know, everyone get as close and as tight to the truck as you can be.
Speaker C:Well, I don't think Buck can get any closer or tighter.
Speaker A:No one's gotten as close to a truck as him.
Speaker C:Multiple times.
Speaker C:Multiple times, yeah.
Speaker C:And then you have, like, the bomb squad coming in for the backpack.
Speaker C:And that's also, like, in under pressure 201.
Speaker A:Then they're talking at the same call, and I think it's Buck who says, isn't it packages?
Speaker A:Like, isn't that his thing?
Speaker A:Buck goes, maybe it's over.
Speaker A:Or, like.
Speaker A:So maybe he changed his a mo or whatever.
Speaker A:And then Buck is like, maybe it's over.
Speaker C:And I was like, oh, optimistic sunshine boy.
Speaker A:Well, it's not over now, is it?
Speaker C:Over now for more foreshadowing.
Speaker C:When we're at the.
Speaker C:The call with the, like, the evil Knievel guy, Roy, and he gets stuck in his car, right?
Speaker C:He gets stuck in the engine of his car.
Speaker C:Just kind of like Buck getting stuck under the truck.
Speaker C:So this kind of like, automobile emergency, you know, theme that we see.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And then Roy is like, I'll never do another reckless thing ever, and proceeds to say, we're so back, baby.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like he's going to continue to do the reckless things for sure.
Speaker C:And then at one point, while he's still stuck in the engine, he says to his wife Maude, played by Charisma Carpenter.
Speaker C:I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker C:And he's like, set you on fire.
Speaker C:Now that would be a glorious blaze.
Speaker C:And I was like, oh, no.
Speaker C:Because that is what Buck happened.
Speaker C:What happens to Buck?
Speaker C:And then there's also the robot that they have at Athena's house when they're.
Speaker C:When they're removing the package from the porch and putting it into, like, the safe box is also very much like 201, even to the blowing it up after securing it.
Speaker C:Yeah, there are.
Speaker C:There are some more 201 parallels I think that's going to be better to get into with the season wrap, so I'll save that.
Speaker C:I did want to kind of briefly mention a parallel that I.
Speaker C:That I couldn't help but think about to season one, episode two, Let Go, which is my favorite thing to bring up.
Speaker C:I'm so sorry.
Speaker C:Where it's kind of like our bucks worst moments just, like, aired out on tv, honestly, because we had.
Speaker C:With Let Go, we had the roller coaster call that that ended poorly or sadly, rather.
Speaker C:And how.
Speaker C:I mean, that that whole episode was a lot about, like, being seen, being perceived, but there was.
Speaker C:There was also an element of, like, seeing it on the news.
Speaker C:And then he was being interviewed on the news for being a hero.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:But he was like, this is his worst moment.
Speaker C:Like, and he's just being touted out on.
Speaker C:On live TV for everyone to see.
Speaker C:And then we get kind of the.
Speaker A:Think of another worst moment that's on tv.
Speaker C:Which one?
Speaker A:From next season.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:And they have him with Taylor.
Speaker C:The news is not good to him.
Speaker A:Oh, I wasn't.
Speaker A:Wait, what?
Speaker C:No, I was.
Speaker C:No, I was just making the absolute jump from, like, what?
Speaker C:No, you're talking about the well, right?
Speaker A:Yes, I'm talking about the well.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And I'm.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, the news is not a good place for Buck.
Speaker C:So I made that, like, logic logical.
Speaker A:So they Made him date the news.
Speaker C:So he made.
Speaker C:They made him date the.
Speaker C:The news lady.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that obviously wasn't going well.
Speaker C:Okay, we're gonna have to keep that in mind when we get to 4 and 5.
Speaker C:Anyways, so I just wanted to.
Speaker C:To bring that up because I didn't even think about that other part.
Speaker A:How depressing.
Speaker B:Thanks, Simone.
Speaker C:You're welcome.
Speaker C:The news is not nice for Buck.
Speaker C:Anytime.
Speaker C:Anytime.
Speaker C:He's on the news.
Speaker C:Now, I have one more thing, and this is very red, stringy.
Speaker C:And it's kind of apropos of absolutely nothing besides that.
Speaker C:I saw an article about it.
Speaker C:So one of this episode's guest stars was Charisma Carpenter.
Speaker C:She was in Buffy and then the sequel, Angel.
Speaker C:And Tim my near also happened to work on Angel.
Speaker C:So I think that's, you know, just kind of like the Ryan Murphy cinematic universe.
Speaker C:It's also kind of like the Josh Joss Whedon cinematic universe.
Speaker C:So he worked with Charisma Carpenter before.
Speaker C:And apparently they were trying to get her to guest star in an earlier episode, but it got postponed.
Speaker C:So this is an article from TVLine.
Speaker C:This is written by Matt Webb Mickevich.
Speaker C: It was written in August of: Speaker C:So, like, even before the new season aired.
Speaker C:So this.
Speaker C:This came out before season two premiered.
Speaker C:So I thought that was kind of interesting, too.
Speaker C:And it's Charisma Carpenter's naughty, quote, unquote naughty, 911 visit postponed by network censors.
Speaker C:And so she was originally supposed to have a different role earlier in the season, but it got spiked by Fox's sensors.
Speaker C:And Tim Mynier said, and I quote, it was naughty.
Speaker C:We were all set to go, and standards and practices would just not let me do it.
Speaker C:But at the Television Critics association press tour.
Speaker C:So I think that happened around late July, August.
Speaker C:Tim Minier also teased that, you know, Charisma Carpenter, her.
Speaker C:That original role that she was supposed to play was someone in a woman in an emergency who finds herself stuck between a rocket rock and a hard place and having to dial 911 when her lover collapses dead atop her.
Speaker A:Was it the part that he died because they did this in season?
Speaker A:Oh, no, wait, they didn't.
Speaker A:ABC did it.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:So her character was supposed to call 911 when her lover collapsed while they were doing things Right.
Speaker A:While they were screwing Rachel.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker C:And he was stuck, and she couldn't remove herself.
Speaker C:So Fox's sensors nixed that, and they were like, okay, well, we'll find another way for us to bring Charisma Carpenter in But weirdly enough, there was a similar case to that storyline in CBS's Code Black, and that was given a green light, even though Fox didn't greenlight their own.
Speaker C:And Tim Minier said, you know, our version was different, but he got the green light on ABC because that happened basically.
Speaker C:The same kind of situation happened with the hot tub call in seven.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:What episode was it in seven?
Speaker B:It's seven.
Speaker B:One.
Speaker C:ABC greenlit.
Speaker C:Greenlit it for 7:01 and for Eddie to help out with that.
Speaker C:And also Dr.
Speaker C:Odyssey, also on ABC, had a very similar emergency too.
Speaker C:So it's also kind of funny that they greenlit that.
Speaker A:There's been emergencies like this on, like, every medical show too.
Speaker A:Like this has been on.
Speaker C:Yeah, so this has been on.
Speaker A:Something like that has been on Grays.
Speaker C:So it's interesting and kind of weird that Fox was like, no, we can't do that.
Speaker C:Standards and practices, you know, they don't say what episode it was supposed to be included in, but I think it's a fair guess to say it was supposed to be in Stuck.
Speaker A:Stuck, Which.
Speaker C:Which we keep going back to if we think about Stuck as like one of the big, like, Eddie and Shannon foreshadowing episodes.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:I mean, why'd you put that in my brain?
Speaker C:No, like, just.
Speaker C:It won't work very well.
Speaker C:I'm talking about it in the.
Speaker C:The terms of, like, one of them dying.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, the foreshadowing.
Speaker A:The foreshadow.
Speaker A:Like, you know, because the foreshadowing started when.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And the.
Speaker C:The male lover needing some help.
Speaker C:To perform.
Speaker C:To perform.
Speaker C:I said that really weirdly.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So in relation to, you know, Eddie and his performing and all that stuff.
Speaker C:Anyways, I just thought that was really weird.
Speaker C:Really interesting.
Speaker C:So that was.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's been.
Speaker C:That's been my red string corner.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker B:Incredible, Beautiful show stopping.
Speaker C:Oh, wait, one more thing, actually.
Speaker C:So Tim also said that in season one, he also used Sean Mayor from Firefly in a scene where a seven foot tapeworm came out of a guy's ass.
Speaker C:So apparently that was okay.
Speaker C:So just how that got greenlit.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And also just like Tim using people from, like, the Joss Whedon extended cinematic universe.
Speaker C:So I thought that was kind of fun.
Speaker C:And I didn't realize that that actor was from Firefly either.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Real interesting there.
Speaker C:Anyways, thank you for coming.
Speaker B:60 seconds with Rachel.
Speaker A:Okay, 10 minutes on the clock for our themes, starting with the most obvious one, which is the life you choose.
Speaker A:And they go pretty Much beat for.
Speaker A:Beat for this, for, I think, most of the characters.
Speaker A:So you have Eddie literally saying, I chose this life for a reason when he's talking to his parents.
Speaker A:Like, he chose the life he chose to move him and Christopher.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, every character.
Speaker C:Every character.
Speaker C:Yeah, I really.
Speaker C:I think every single character.
Speaker C:It's very upfront in the text of this episode.
Speaker C:It's just like they are making conscious choices about the life that they want to lead.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They have the influencer say, this is the life I chose right after.
Speaker A:Because I think it cuts to that scene after Eddie's scene.
Speaker A:Then we have Henry talking about how they chose to become Denny's parents and how they're choosing to become parents again.
Speaker A:Possibly.
Speaker A:And then we have Bobby and Athena.
Speaker C:Choosing each other, and also Athena and Harry and May choosing Bobby as well.
Speaker A:And we have Maddie and Chimney choosing the.
Speaker C:Choosing each other finally.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker A:So that's that.
Speaker A:And then everyone except Buck, who I don't know that he's.
Speaker A:He is choosing.
Speaker A:He is choosing.
Speaker C:He's making.
Speaker C:He's making conscious choices about the life that chose him.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Which is kind of a weird way to think about it, but.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Ali is making a choice based on knowing Buck and knowing that that's the choice that he was going to make.
Speaker A:Like, it was never a question.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker A:That was like what he wanted to do.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:And also.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just like.
Speaker C:And living with your choices.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So sometimes you have to face the consequences of those actions.
Speaker C:Like with Freddy, with the whole serial bombing thing.
Speaker C:Like those word.
Speaker C:Those were choices.
Speaker A:Those are choices.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:But I think specifically the theme is.
Speaker A:Is kind of as.
Speaker A:As a whole, I think is kind of tied into the first responder theme.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Because you have to very much like, choose and like, be dedicated to that life.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:Kind of like, you know, being called to your calling or.
Speaker C:Or like knowing your path.
Speaker C:So sometimes the life chooses you, sometimes it chooses a life.
Speaker C:But whichever way you're.
Speaker C:You're feeling, you're called to it.
Speaker C:And we see this also with, you know, the Begins episodes, also relatedly.
Speaker C:These are all kind of related, but, you know, we've seen throughout the season a lot of the, you know, when it's your emergency sort of thing.
Speaker C:So it's not just necessarily, you know, the first responders helping random civilians, but when the responders are.
Speaker C:Have like a family member or a colleague or, you know, part of their family that is in peril when it's your emergency.
Speaker C:And then kind of in that same vein also very much like We've seen throughout the season kind of helping the helpers.
Speaker C:So when.
Speaker C:When the first responders need help, either by other first responders or by the public, you know, that kind of support that community.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And this episode is a lot about community because it's.
Speaker C:It's choosing your family.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So it's not the family you're born with, but the family you choose to surround yourself with.
Speaker C:It's your community.
Speaker C:So I don't even know if we want to say, like, revenge, because so, like, revenge was brought up a couple times in this episode.
Speaker C:We see it most really with Freddy trying making the decision to inflict revenge or to seek his revenge about his father by doing all these bad things.
Speaker C:I think Maude, the charisma character, the.
Speaker A:Only other one I can think of.
Speaker C:Was like, take taking out, like the car was taking out revenge on Roy.
Speaker C:Yeah, I was trying.
Speaker C:I was trying to think of any others.
Speaker C:I mean, it's Freddy's like, serial bombing because he is enacting revenge on all of those people that were involved in.
Speaker C:In his dad's case as well.
Speaker C:Maybe it was the little girl taking revenge on her parents for packing her tuna fish sandwich.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:Which, like, I think would be fair.
Speaker C:I don't really think so, but I thought that was funny.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know what else, but I think if it's brought up more than once, I think it's something.
Speaker C:But I don't really know how else to connect it at the moment.
Speaker C:So I think any other themes that are in this episode are really just kind of like more culminating the season themes.
Speaker C:And we'll talk about those in the.
Speaker C:In the wrap, because I think that would be more pertinent there.
Speaker C:It's like, you know, encompassing the.
Speaker C:The wide scale.
Speaker C:So shall we see who's cooking in the kitchen?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So because everyone kind of gets their own little moment, we are going to cover everyone, but we're going to be spending, like, substantially less time on like, Hen, Karen, Chimney and Maddie.
Speaker A:Because it wasn't really.
Speaker A:There wasn't really like big character arc centric.
Speaker A:It was just kind of like some updates for like, their family or their couple them that we want to touch on.
Speaker C:Not to say that they were like, tertiary to the story, but, like, it just wasn't as big of the focus.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So let's start with Hen and Karen.
Speaker C:We only really get, like one scene with them.
Speaker C:And it's kind of following up a little bit from Ocean's 911, which was episode 15 right.
Speaker C:Because that's when we learned about Karen having lost her job.
Speaker C:And that would have been, you know, like, their motivation for Hen to do the.
Speaker C:Do the heist.
Speaker C:But we know that that didn't.
Speaker C:That wasn't the case.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, like, the first time I watched it, I was like, wait, why does Karen need a new job?
Speaker C:But I forgot it was a couple episodes ago.
Speaker C:And they're just.
Speaker C:They're talking about Karen's job search and discussing expanding their family.
Speaker C:So, yeah, they're trying to make.
Speaker C:Make the right decisions for their family by considering the options of expanding.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And being interested in having.
Speaker C:Having more children.
Speaker C:And I thought it was so lovely because, you know, they.
Speaker C:They reminisce on.
Speaker C:On how there's never a day when they regret being.
Speaker C:Choosing, specifically choosing to be Denny's moms.
Speaker C:Because it is something that you have to, like, actively choose and.
Speaker C:And, you know, the.
Speaker C:The way for them to expand their family.
Speaker C:It can't just be an oops accident.
Speaker C:Like, you have to.
Speaker C:You have to make the conscious, like, because it doesn't work that way.
Speaker A:And it was a hard decision because of the relation to his bio mom.
Speaker C:And that was a hard decision.
Speaker A:So I like how this paralleled in a much better way a similar playground scene in season one that they have.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So instead of, you know, a very tense conversation about.
Speaker C:With Eva showing up.
Speaker A:Eva.
Speaker A:Well, I wasn't even thinking about that one.
Speaker A:I was thinking about.
Speaker A:Oh, and it was just Hen and Karen at the playground.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:And Hen was telling Karen about.
Speaker C:Was that from point of origin?
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:It was early on in season one, but yeah, so I thought.
Speaker A:Thought it was nice to, like, see them have a conversation that was, like, not super tense.
Speaker A:I thought that it was a good way to tie in that theme of the life we choose for both of them.
Speaker A:Not just because of the Denny of it all, but because when Karen's talking about, oh, it'll be nice, like, I'll be able to spend more time with Denny.
Speaker A:Like, it'd be great if you could do that.
Speaker A:Like, if you could, like, work from home or you could spend more, like, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And was like, day I work from home is like, the house will be on fire.
Speaker A:As you know, she's trying to be ironic on purpose.
Speaker A:So it just.
Speaker A:It just goes to show that, like, she has to be up there doing things.
Speaker A:Like if she wasn't gonna do this, she was gonna become a doctor.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Yeah, so which is still out there doing Things.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:She needs to be out there doing things.
Speaker A:And that's just.
Speaker C:And it.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker A:The life that she chooses, but it also chooses her.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I think we see that, like, in.
Speaker C:In dual ways with she.
Speaker C:She chose this life, you know, because she chose to go into like, some, like, something with medical.
Speaker C:And we hear that after dosed, like her interview with.
Speaker C:With Taylor about how she was shot when she was a kid and it was the paramedics that.
Speaker C:That kept her alive.
Speaker C:But then we also see it with hen begins how the life also kind of actually chose her as well because that's what she felt called to do.
Speaker C:So I think.
Speaker C:I think that was a nice tie together.
Speaker C:So with Chimney and Maddie, we kind of see them.
Speaker C:I don't even know how to start this.
Speaker A:Well, I want to talk about Chimney by himself really quick because I did just want to talk about.
Speaker A:Because we did cover in the previous episode talking about him as a captain.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:And how he kind of struggled with, like, finding his own sort of stride with that.
Speaker A:And I think you really get to see in this episode that he finally has, like, found that and he's doing a really good job with the team.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And everyone is, you know, like, everything's copacetic now.
Speaker C:And I really think, like, Eddie even calls him Cap.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:And I thought that was really sweet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think this is all really like, shown really well, like, in the very stressful call of.
Speaker A:Of the ladder truck explosion.
Speaker A:Not only is that, like, the most, like, I want to say, extenuating circumstances, it's just like.
Speaker C:It kind of is.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:But you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, it's like.
Speaker A:Yes, like Ally says, like, that's every day of your life.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:That's not what happens every single day for them.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But so.
Speaker A:So that's like, a really crazy thing to happen.
Speaker A:But that happened to them specifically.
Speaker A:So it's one of your own.
Speaker A:So not only for, like, this exceptional thing to happen, but for the person who's injured to be one of his own, to be his pseudo little brother, like, that's a lot.
Speaker A:That's a lot of pressure for him to be under, especially because of how he already lost another pseudo little brother.
Speaker A:So I just feel like you can see how he did such a good job and, like, keeping calm and, like, trying to still perform his duties and, like, him offering himself up just like them Bobby did.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, look, it's the captains.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Themselves.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I was going to say something to that effect, too.
Speaker C:Because, like, even though it seems like Chimney has really found his.
Speaker C:His own footing in, you know, being intern captain Hannah, where he's trusting his team and he's trusting himself, for him to still kind of do that same action that Bobby does.
Speaker C:So in his head, it's like a.
Speaker C:What would Bobby do?
Speaker C:Still.
Speaker C:Still.
Speaker C:But, like, in a.
Speaker C:In a way that.
Speaker C:That is productive and effective and allows Chimney to step up to the task of being captain in such a, you know, grossly extenuating circumstance.
Speaker C:Because this isn't what he signed up for.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:That's not what any of them signed up for, really.
Speaker C:But to.
Speaker C:To see him kind of, like, so bravely taking charge of or trying to take charge of the situation, and even you can tell he's scared, but I think it just speaks to how, you know, willing.
Speaker C:Willing he was to.
Speaker C:To.
Speaker C:To put himself in that role like that now growth.
Speaker C:So we kind of saw more of Maddie's, like, season arc come to a close in the last episode.
Speaker C:So what we see of Maddie is either in relation to Buck, or it's Maddie and Chimney kind of as a unit and them choosing to, you know, start.
Speaker C:Start things new like this.
Speaker C:This is their real new beginnings.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And Maddie goes kind of in a.
Speaker C:In a parallel to when she asked Chimney out in.
Speaker C:What was it?
Speaker C:New.
Speaker C:New beginnings in episode 11 and gave him, like, said that she was divorcing Doug and everything and can they go out and stuff like that.
Speaker C:So this.
Speaker C:This is a parallel to that where she comes to the station again and she.
Speaker C:She says, you know, you once said that things will never be the same and we can never get back what we could have had.
Speaker C:But then she's like, but maybe we could have something else.
Speaker C:So I think this is also them choosing to, you know, have.
Speaker C:Having had reflected on, you know, the things that had happened in the past, especially for Maddie, the trauma of her past and being like, okay, I am choosing to move forward in this new life because I am no longer scared.
Speaker C:So I can.
Speaker C:We can have a.
Speaker C:We can go down this path together.
Speaker C:Not scared.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And happy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And we get to see a very sweet kiss that's not on a hospital.
Speaker A:Bed and not on a hospital.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which it's.
Speaker C:It's what they deserve.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like, finally they got together, you know, right now.
Speaker B:Well, you didn't have to.
Speaker B:Listen.
Speaker B:We're celebrating a win.
Speaker A:We are.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's a win.
Speaker C:Oh, it's a win.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I do also really appreciate that they didn't, like, super draw it out like a will they, won't they?
Speaker C:Like so many shows.
Speaker A:Do we already have one of those?
Speaker C:And, like, and it's because.
Speaker C:It's because Maddie and Chimney are the rom com couples.
Speaker C:So they have to, like, you know, a happy ending at the end of the movie, which is the season, but from all of the turmoil, they come out better on the other side because they have each other.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:And they're able to, like, choose to do it together.
Speaker A:Are we ready to talk about Bobby.
Speaker C:And Athena, mom and dad?
Speaker A:I'm a dad, literally, now.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I think mostly what I have to say about this, other than the.
Speaker A:The wedding at the end is just kind of like, in relation to the ongoing, like, bombing case.
Speaker A:So it obviously becomes very personal for Athena because a package is sent to her home.
Speaker A:And I think it's really just furthering showing how much of each other's person they are, that Bobby shortly shows up afterwards as well.
Speaker A:And then they kind of crack it together.
Speaker A:Finally.
Speaker C:It's that teamwork, team detective work that we.
Speaker C:That we saw in Bobby begins again with that original Guillermo's case.
Speaker C:Like, they just.
Speaker C:They work so well together.
Speaker A:Unfortunately, a little too late.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because they.
Speaker A:They figure out, oh, Bobby is connected to this too.
Speaker A:Oh, they searched Bobby's home.
Speaker A:They checked the wrong house.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Because if you're trying to hurt.
Speaker A:If he was trying to hurt Bobby, he knows that, like, Bobby's got no one there.
Speaker A:And he knows Bobby's like.
Speaker A:He knows his firehouse.
Speaker C:If he's like, that would make the most damage.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Emotional.
Speaker A:I'm sure if he stalked these other people enough to, like, know about their personal lives, then he knows a little bit about Bobby and knew that, like, doing this there would hurt him the most.
Speaker A:So, you know, like, physically and mentally, emotionally.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I feel like this was worse because he wasn't even in that truck.
Speaker A:And he's probably wishing that he was.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And it's, gosh, like, all of.
Speaker C:All of the kind of, like, dominoes that had to.
Speaker C:That had to be laid out for Bobby to not be on that truck is kind of really interesting if you take.
Speaker C:If you take a step back and look at it because of the ocean's 911 episode with the bank heist, and then that prompted the investigative hearing and that prompted him to be suspended, so.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker A:Well, and we get.
Speaker A:We get this whole story of Freddy and what happened with his family, and Bobby begins again, which we only got because it's Bobby's flashback retelling, like in the.
Speaker C:The hearing From a narrative standpoint, I was talking about, like, in.
Speaker C:In the events for the character sort of thing.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like, if Ocean's 91 1.
Speaker C:Because, like, Bobby begins again, happened chronologically long before that.
Speaker C:So, like.
Speaker A:But I think that's the only reason it came up into his mind, is that it was recent.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:That he had to rethink it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:He was like, wait, I do remember this.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he had literally just talked about.
Speaker C:It, and I guess.
Speaker C:I guess we'll continue with the.
Speaker C:With, like, the Freddy and the engine and everything like that.
Speaker C:And the way that Bobby, who at this.
Speaker C:This juncture is essentially a civilian and against all advice, like, does kind of, like Roy said, the reckless thing.
Speaker C:Like, I'll continue to do reckless things and kind of like father, like son, meaning buck.
Speaker C:Bobby just, like, walks right into kind of the lion's den of this, what should be a negotiation situation, Right.
Speaker C:Because you've got an active threat around people and.
Speaker C:And other civilians.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And Bobby's just, like, leans over to Athena, says, love you, and he makes the choice to.
Speaker C:To try to help stop this or try to get through to Freddy.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And he doesn't really.
Speaker C:The way he talks to Freddy also, he doesn't like, mince words.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's not trying to, like, it's all gonna be okay.
Speaker C:It's gonna be fine.
Speaker C:Because that's what he did the first time.
Speaker C:And this is kind of.
Speaker A:Well, he was a kid, and now this is an adult hurting people and.
Speaker C:Has made conscious decisions on his own, just like Freddy's father did.
Speaker C:So Bobby's like, you know, you're.
Speaker C:You stopped being a victim the moment that you sent that first bomb.
Speaker C:It was so.
Speaker C:So it really was like, Freddie's conscious choice.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And they talk about, like, collateral damage.
Speaker C:And Freddie just, like, not understanding or.
Speaker C:Or, just, like, misunderstanding that his family was ruined, but he thinks it's at the fault of everyone related to his dad's case and not his dad making a bad decision.
Speaker C:Like, Freddie is making a bad decision.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And then, like, Bobby does the craziest thing where he kind of, like, signals for them to bring Freddy's mom over, and Bobby gets behind him.
Speaker C:So, like, they're planning this out, and he's communicating, like, kind of through body language and, like, eyes with detective.
Speaker C:I forget his name.
Speaker C:I forgot darn.
Speaker C:And Athena, the detective there, and Athena bringing Freddy's mom in.
Speaker C:And then Bobby just kind of, like, scoots around behind Freddy and then, like, wrestles the trigger off of him, which is probably the most reckless thing that one could do.
Speaker C:Because it's a very quick what if.
Speaker A:Do you think that Bobby would have done all of that if Buck wasn't under the truck?
Speaker C:Yes, I think.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I just feel like that's how.
Speaker B:That's who he is.
Speaker C:I think so.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:But I don't think it would have been necessarily as dire of a situation for Bobby to get this away from.
Speaker C:Because it.
Speaker C:Because it was.
Speaker C:It was attacking his house.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That is.
Speaker C:That is still his family.
Speaker C:So I think he still would have done it, but maybe would have tried to get the bomb squad to wrestle the trigger out of his.
Speaker A:That's what I mean.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Because I was like, not only did he immediately.
Speaker A:No second thoughts, throw himself out there.
Speaker C:Well, that's what I think.
Speaker C:He would have done that either way.
Speaker C:I'm not sure he would have, like, wrestled behind him if it wasn't for.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Talking about.
Speaker C:Talking about specifically collateral damage and Buck being collateral.
Speaker B:I also feel like.
Speaker B:Because he is.
Speaker B:Not only because of who he is, but also because, like, he is the captain at that point.
Speaker B:You know, like, just like his title alone kind of defines, like, what he would probably do.
Speaker B:You know, kind of like when you think about captains of ships, they go down with that ship.
Speaker B:You know, they're the last person.
Speaker B:They gotta make sure everyone else is okay.
Speaker C:Because even though he's technically suspended, he still is, like, very much the captain of the family.
Speaker C:The 118 family.
Speaker C:So he would have done that.
Speaker C:I think he would have put himself in harm's way like that.
Speaker C:I don't know if it.
Speaker C:If he would have been the one to disarm Freddie if it were not for Buck being called collateral damage, if that makes sense.
Speaker C:And then I.
Speaker C:I think we should talk about Bobby and.
Speaker C:And Athena together because they.
Speaker C:This episode is all about them choosing each other.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:You mean their wedding.
Speaker C:Yeah, and I mean.
Speaker C:Well, yeah.
Speaker C:And they.
Speaker C:And they talk about.
Speaker C:Well, Athena talks to Harry and May about the wedding because Harry seems kind of reticent about it.
Speaker C:But it's mostly because he doesn't want to wear tux, which is fair.
Speaker C:But how, you know, the joining of their family is as much, you know, Bobby choosing them as it is about them choosing Bobby collectively together.
Speaker C:So, like, as a team and.
Speaker C:Oh, I mean, we.
Speaker C:There's also, like, Bobby getting reinstated as captain where he's supposed to be, and during Eddie's shield ceremony and talking about.
Speaker C:So, okay, so.
Speaker C:So I think it's after.
Speaker C:Or during the Eddie's shield ceremony that Bobby kind of gets this idea of, let's go to the courthouse and get married, like right now.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because he's.
Speaker C:He's kind of being invigorated by seeing the family that has chosen to come together in this way for each other, for Eddie.
Speaker C:And so it's like everyone's there, but who's missing.
Speaker C:Athena's not there.
Speaker C:And I think that kind of just like really the.
Speaker C:The events that had just transpired with.
Speaker C:With the engine and Freddie and seeing.
Speaker C:Seeing this ceremony take place, I think it really.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker C:Because there's a shot of him just kind of like taking this all in.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And I think that's what inspires him to say, like, yeah, life is short.
Speaker C:Let's go do this right now.
Speaker B:Well, I also think the fact that he just, you know, during the.
Speaker B:The ladder truck explosion.
Speaker B:Explosion, you know how he.
Speaker B:He kind of.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He throws himself in without, like any discussion with her.
Speaker B:He just decides to go do that.
Speaker B:I mean, it.
Speaker B:It doesn't really affect his choice, but I just think it's.
Speaker B:It's funny how Athena was like, like in shock.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're also like.
Speaker B:And then, you know, when all of that is over, when all of the chaos is kind of done, like, she, you know, she goes up to him, she.
Speaker B:They exchanged our I love yous.
Speaker B:Well, he says I love you first.
Speaker B:You know, when he's doing his self sacrificing thing.
Speaker B:And then she like, she's like, you're a fool.
Speaker B:And then she like kisses them and she's like, I love you too.
Speaker B:And I mean like, I feel like that event, like that whole like the life's too short type of thing that also kind of so like not only seeing like the family showing up at the firehouse for like Eddie's ceremony, I also think like that event also kind of just emboldened him to say, hey, you know what?
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker B:Let's do it now.
Speaker B:Because all we have everything we need and all we know, all that we're sure about is about today.
Speaker B:Because he does ask her.
Speaker B:He like goes up to her, he's like, what are you doing today?
Speaker B:Oh, really?
Speaker A:Laundry.
Speaker B:Let's just get married.
Speaker B:Let's just get this done.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker C:Much better than laundry.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because today is all they.
Speaker B:All they know.
Speaker C:And I think, I think there's also an aspect of that when, you know, when Bobby kisses her on the cheek and goes into like the center to.
Speaker C:To get to Freddie and you know, when she reaches him afterwards and is like, yeah, you know, I love you too.
Speaker C:Like that you're a fool.
Speaker C:I think there's also like a level of acceptance there that, that Bobby feels because Athena doesn't question him.
Speaker C:She knows who he is, she sees him for who he is and she knows that he had to do it and she doesn't question him about it like, or try to try to keep him back when he's already made that decision to, to go forward like that.
Speaker C:Even though she was still.
Speaker C:She was probably like, wait, what?
Speaker C:But there, there was no, like, no, don't do it.
Speaker C:This, it's too dangerous for you.
Speaker C:She understands because she's also in, in the life.
Speaker C:So I think there's just like a level of acceptance with like between both of them that is just like, I know who you are.
Speaker C:I choose to love you for who you are and I know that you had to do that or for who.
Speaker A:He is and like what.
Speaker A:And when he chooses to do.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because it's like, I feel like it could be said that you can love someone but not be able to.
Speaker A:To bear or like support them when they choose to do something like this is going to put them in danger.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:That you can't handle it.
Speaker A:But like, because they understand, because they're both first responders, you know, that's something that they're able.
Speaker A:Even when they are like worried about each other and are like, haha, I wish you wouldn't do that.
Speaker A:It's just like, you know, think about this season.
Speaker A:He's like, of course she is.
Speaker A:Like, of course she's flying the plane.
Speaker C:Like, like, I knew, I knew you'd have to do it.
Speaker C:Like, like I had to do it.
Speaker C:I know you did.
Speaker C:And I think this, we can get into it later.
Speaker C:But I think this is kind of like the antithesis to Allie and Buck where Allie also understands, but she chooses to not like be, be part of that.
Speaker C:Because she didn't choose that.
Speaker A:Because she didn't choose that life.
Speaker C:But Athena has chosen it for herself, but she also chooses it because of Bobby and because of who, who he is.
Speaker C:And, and she understands like they, I think they both, both Athena and Ali understand, but their decisions are different.
Speaker C:So I think that's like the, the opposite there.
Speaker C:So, so we see that parallel and it's really cute and they get to go to the courthouse and get married and like Athena already has her dress and it's like amazing and it's just like a really lovely moment of the family that they've created together.
Speaker C:Although I do have a bone to pick because we've had a courthouse wedding.
Speaker C:We've had a hospital wedding.
Speaker C:We need some, like, pomp and circumstance for someone.
Speaker C:I mean, and.
Speaker A:And then we have no idea.
Speaker A:You have the money to make, like, a real looking wedding.
Speaker A:You've done it several times on Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker C:And I mean, we did go.
Speaker C:We did get, like, hen and Karen's really lovely renewal, but that was a vow renewal.
Speaker C:That wasn't, like, the initial, but that was because they didn't have a big, fancy wedding.
Speaker C:And I think we need a.
Speaker C:A fun, fancy, emergency free wedding.
Speaker A:Just saying, when Buddy gets married, I need a real wedding.
Speaker B:Like, that's like the final episode of 91 1.
Speaker A:Listen, Stuff has got to happen there.
Speaker A:It can be funny, but not like someone's dying.
Speaker C:Not like encephalitis, Viral encephalitis.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:No hospitals.
Speaker C:No hospitals.
Speaker C:You can make it.
Speaker C:You can make it funny and have it be raining.
Speaker A:You can lighten it.
Speaker A:You can take you to a hospital, make them break, like, break an arm or like, break something and then they show up, like, walking down the aisle with, like, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, you could do that.
Speaker C:But, like, nothing that requires them.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:For bed rest.
Speaker C:That's all.
Speaker C:Because it's.
Speaker C:I mean, it's.
Speaker C:It's lovely that, that, like, the weddings that we see in 911 are just kind of like, low key or like a redo for something.
Speaker C:But, like, there's been too many where it's just been kind of like, okay, we're just kind of.
Speaker C:Kind of like, under the radar sort of thing or a redo for something that was under the radar.
Speaker C:And it's just like, that's what I'm saying, Eddie.
Speaker A:Our last shot.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker A:They're our last chance.
Speaker C:You're my last hope.
Speaker C:Obi Wan.
Speaker A:Finally.
Speaker C:Just, like, defense.
Speaker C:I still like Tim.
Speaker C:My near year.
Speaker C:I lost hope.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:No, not to Tim.
Speaker C:My near.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's to Oliver.
Speaker A:We are gathered here today to talk about.
Speaker A:For the first time in this series, but not the first time that we've talked about it for sure, how the Diaz parents can get wrecked.
Speaker C:Oh, indeed.
Speaker C:I was like, where are you going with this?
Speaker C:Like, I'm pretty sure I knew she.
Speaker B:Was gonna say something about them, but I was like, how is she?
Speaker B:What angle was she gonna go for?
Speaker C:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:Oh, by.
Speaker A:Anyway, I'm gonna have so much more to say about this in season two wrap.
Speaker C:But yeah.
Speaker C:Huh?
Speaker C:In the vein of Eddie choosing.
Speaker C:Choosing this life in la.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:We get to see kind of like the, the aftermath of the.
Speaker C:Of Shannon's funeral and his family's come in.
Speaker C:So we're.
Speaker C:This is us meeting them for the first time technically.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:I don't think we've.
Speaker C:I don't think we've seen met.
Speaker B:I had that question.
Speaker B:No, I don't think this is the first.
Speaker A:No, we haven't.
Speaker B:I mean, sorry, I just dissociated for.
Speaker A:A second because I was like, wait, if Shannon's mom is in la?
Speaker A:And then my eyes started twitching.
Speaker C:We never see anything about Shannon's life in la.
Speaker A:No, but if she had to move to LA for her mom and her mom's in la, then that would hold with the, The Tim saying that they used to live in LA and moved to El Paso.
Speaker A:That's why my eyes started twitching.
Speaker C:I thought that was just in relation to Eddie.
Speaker B:Huh.
Speaker B:What was in relation to Eddie?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Just seems like a co.
Speaker A:Winky dink.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay, I'm gonna have to think about that when I have more brain cells.
Speaker A:I'm so sorry.
Speaker C:Because also, like, is Shannon's mom even still alive?
Speaker B:I'm assuming she's not.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm assuming no.
Speaker C:So then the people that had to put her funeral on are her, her.
Speaker C:Her almost ex husband and her in laws who hated her guts.
Speaker B:Huh.
Speaker A:Which I don't care how much you hate someone unless they're an actual Nazi.
Speaker A:Why are you showing up at their like wake.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Talking smack about them like that to their significant other.
Speaker A:What are we.
Speaker C:Okay, what?
Speaker C:Okay, wait.
Speaker C:So, so I had, I had some, I had some things to say about this.
Speaker C:So we see, you know, in, in like Eddie's backyard and, and they're at.
Speaker C:After the funeral and he's talking to his parents and you know, Ramon kind of takes a shot at Shannon because Eddie, they, they were saying like, what was it like?
Speaker C:Eddie was brave and Christopher was brave and, And.
Speaker C:Oh, Christopher was brave.
Speaker A:Eddie is.
Speaker C:And just like his father.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he said his mother was brave too.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Eddie says that Shannon was brave too, and that incites some hostility from Ramon and, and that just like kind of sets everything off.
Speaker C:So eventually through this conversation, Eddie realizes this.
Speaker C:They didn't come for the funeral.
Speaker C:They came to bring Eddie and Christopher back to Texas.
Speaker C:So this was not a funeral.
Speaker A:Accuses them of that.
Speaker A:He outright is like, oh, that's what.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Because this, what this was, this was an organized intervention by his parents rather than a celebration of life.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Like, what his mom starts saying seems rehearsed because, like, and then Ramon sitting there, like, with his hands like this.
Speaker C:Like, well, well, wait, because when after.
Speaker C:After Ramon takes that shot at Shannon and Helena looks at him like, like this kind of look that's kind of like, we talked about this.
Speaker C:Like, don't.
Speaker C:Don't go getting, like, putting the cart before the horse sort of thing, because this is an intervention.
Speaker C:And I think that she gave him that look because she was like, don't jeopardize our chances here because that put Eddie on the defense.
Speaker A:Supposed to manipulate him if it makes him.
Speaker A:If we make him angry first.
Speaker C:Yeah, because.
Speaker C:Because then Ramon put Eddie on the defensive and there's just like, all of this.
Speaker C:All of this talking about, like, well, your.
Speaker C:Your life is in Texas and Christopher's life is in Texas.
Speaker C:And it's like, well, no, Christopher's life and Eddie's life is in la because this is where Eddie chose and he's not going to uproot Christopher again.
Speaker C:And also, like you say, that's where.
Speaker C:That's where family is.
Speaker C:But, like, hello, Aunt Peppa and Abuela are right there.
Speaker C:That's literally, like, Ramon's mother and sister, like, just.
Speaker C:They're totally, like, disregarding Abuela and Peppa.
Speaker C:And like, Peppa takes affront to that because that is.
Speaker C:It is very insulting saying, like, like, the.
Speaker C:The immediate family is the family that that is supposed to be around and helping you.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But Eddie has gotten more help from the family that he chose at the 118 than I.
Speaker C:Than he ever got in El Paso with his parents, because his parents don't believe in him.
Speaker C:But again, we're.
Speaker C:We're not quite there yet.
Speaker A:But his parents want to raise Christopher and control him.
Speaker A:That's what they want.
Speaker C:So, like, even in this first interaction that we see with Eddie and his parents, it really shows, like, why he had to make the decision to leave Texas and uproot Christopher from the only home he's ever known.
Speaker C:According to them, I would have fled the state, too, and start life anew.
Speaker C:Their.
Speaker C:Their new beginnings.
Speaker A:He's seven.
Speaker A:He has barely any time of, like, memories.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:And it's still around family, and it's around family that they've created with the 118 because the whole village, because of.
Speaker C:Because of Buck, because of Bobby, because of everybody taking Christopher under their wings.
Speaker C:So that's where Eddie feels like his true family really lies.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, and because they don't just support Christopher, they support him too.
Speaker A:They care about Eddie too.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because they.
Speaker C:They see him and, you know, the.
Speaker C:The conversation continues.
Speaker C:Like, Eddie's like, do you want me to throw away the last year of my life?
Speaker C:Because it didn't.
Speaker C:In.
Speaker C:In their eyes, it didn't work out.
Speaker C:It didn't pan out.
Speaker C:Meanwhile, he is actually being, like, very successful, almost done with his probationary year as a firefighter, and he's about to earn a shield, and he doesn't want to start.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So by asking.
Speaker C:By asking or imploring, really, Eddie to take Christopher back to Texas.
Speaker C:Eddie's like, he doesn't want to uproot Christopher.
Speaker C:He also doesn't want to uproot himself.
Speaker C:I mean, Christopher takes priority.
Speaker C:But by.
Speaker C:But for them to ask Eddie to, you know, just stop before he's earned his shield.
Speaker C:Ramon says, you could do.
Speaker C:You could join a firehouse in Texas.
Speaker C:It's like, well, he can't, because he's not.
Speaker C:He doesn't have his shield yet.
Speaker C:So you'd have to start all the way over.
Speaker C:That would be uprooting Eddie so much, but it would also be uprooting Christopher.
Speaker C:And I'm sure we'll talk about this a little bit in Slow Burn.
Speaker C:But Ramon says to Eddie, you know, you can.
Speaker C:You can choose another life.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker C:Or Eddie says, like, this is.
Speaker A:You could choose a different life.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Eddie says, this is the life I chose.
Speaker C:And Ramona's like, you can choose another one.
Speaker C:Like, it's so easy like that.
Speaker C:But this.
Speaker A:But there, it's like, he already.
Speaker A:He moved there.
Speaker A:Not for Shannon.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:They're disregarding Eddie's.
Speaker C:The choice that Eddie did make to go to LA in the first place.
Speaker C:It's like, well, you can choose another life.
Speaker C:They already did that.
Speaker C:He chose another life from the one that he was so unhappy with El Paso.
Speaker C:I mean, besides grieving, they were kind of thriving for a bit there in la.
Speaker C:So why would.
Speaker C:Why would they, you know, one.
Speaker C:One setback, and they're gonna.
Speaker C:You know, his parents are trying to get them to run back home.
Speaker C:It's like, no, Eddie and Christopher are so much more resilient than that that I think then his parents give him credit for.
Speaker C:Give either of them credit for.
Speaker C:So just like the emphasis on Eddie choosing.
Speaker C:Choosing to go to LA in the first place and then choosing to make the 118 his family.
Speaker C:And it doesn't get more like rude and disregarding of one's autonomy than.
Speaker C:Than what his parents are doing.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker B:It's really hard to, like, kind of talk about this without talking about I know we can.
Speaker B:I know we can do whatever we want at this point, but, like, it's kind of hard to talk about this without, like, thinking about 3:16.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:With all that added context that.
Speaker B:That we.
Speaker B:We have and at face value, which still holds true with all of our opinions.
Speaker B:I mean, that was, you know, Eddie's parents just going over there already talking shit about Shannon making.
Speaker B:Trying to make.
Speaker B:Trying to convince or manipulate Eddie to move back to Texas.
Speaker B:Like, that is just whole.
Speaker B:Oh, and then saying that.
Speaker B:That Christopher needs to be with his family.
Speaker B:You know, basically just the.
Speaker B:You know, the direct family.
Speaker B:That's whole ass disrespectful.
Speaker B:So much whole ass disrespectful.
Speaker B:Especially.
Speaker B:Especially not only just to Eddie.
Speaker B:I mean, even to Pepe and Abuela.
Speaker B:Not only to the people who are alive, but also to Shannon.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know who they think they are.
Speaker C:People with bigger roles in Eddie and Christopher's life than they actually have, I think so.
Speaker C:It's so like this.
Speaker C:This scene, even.
Speaker C:Even the first watch through, like before we got to season three and stuff like that.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:Was infuriating.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:It's just about them.
Speaker A:They do not give.
Speaker A:They don't give a shit.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's the wording.
Speaker A:It's the.
Speaker A:The first six years of his life were with us.
Speaker A:Not like our.
Speaker A:All of our family in El Paso.
Speaker A:Not like his whole family back in El Paso.
Speaker A:It's us, meaning the.
Speaker A:The two of them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:Like, it's just such.
Speaker A:This is it.
Speaker A:And it's insane.
Speaker A:It's insane that Eddie even has to say what.
Speaker A:What's best for Christopher is, like, being with me.
Speaker A:Like, I'm his father.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker C:That should be a given.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:It's just crazy.
Speaker C:They are the worst.
Speaker C:They are pieces of work.
Speaker C:Like, oh, my God.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know how you can really, like, sympathize with these characters.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:And it's not even like, oh, hey, how are you?
Speaker B:Like, it's not even like a, hey, how are you doing?
Speaker B:How are you feeling?
Speaker B:You know, you just for real just.
Speaker A:Buried your wife yesterday?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, it's.
Speaker B:Hey, so anyway, we're here because we'd like to uproot you and your son so you guys can be with us literally.
Speaker B:Not even some time to process.
Speaker A:Not even.
Speaker A:You guys swear.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker A:The first years of his.
Speaker A:First years.
Speaker A:Six years of his.
Speaker A:It's Christopher.
Speaker A:Sorry, continue.
Speaker B:Anyway, I Also want to know like because you know Peppa.
Speaker B:Peppa stands on business, you know, so I'm just.
Speaker B:I just want to know like love her.
Speaker B:Yes, we do.
Speaker B:Because she's the only one who like stands up to Ramon and like lays it out.
Speaker C:And supports Eddie.
Speaker B:And supports Eddie.
Speaker C:I mean she also speaks for Isabella.
Speaker B:Yeah, but.
Speaker C:But like.
Speaker C:Well also no wonder he chose them.
Speaker A:Imagine saying that in front of your.
Speaker C:Mother and your sister.
Speaker A:No, it's.
Speaker B:No, the sister whatever mama in a Hispanic.
Speaker C:No really, how did, how did he not get like.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know how Isabella didn't get the.
Speaker B:Didn't get her chunk lay and hit him in the face.
Speaker C:Should have.
Speaker C:He would have deserved it.
Speaker B:Isabella was, I mean not was ready.
Speaker A:That's like.
Speaker C:But also that's so much disrespect like for Ramon and Helena to have to Isabel and Peppa, like that is also blood family or like for Helena it's in laws but close enough at this point.
Speaker C:But like for Ramon it's, it's so disrespectful because it's also just like completely disregarding any of their importance in Eddie's life and Christopher's life.
Speaker C:But also it disregards their importance in Ramon's life and I'm guessing Sophia and Adriana who we don't know actually like exist right now, but you know, and it's just like no wonder they stayed.
Speaker C:They stayed or they moved, whatever we want to call it to la because they probably wanted to get away from them too.
Speaker C:If they're being, if they're being treated with this kind of disrespect.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, like, come on.
Speaker B:How much you want to bet it's all Helena anyway?
Speaker B:Or like our.
Speaker B:I mean my daughter in law is a really something else.
Speaker B:I mean that's what usually happens.
Speaker A:I mean, I mean, okay, honestly.
Speaker C:But he's.
Speaker A:He's make.
Speaker A:He's made the choices to support all of the stuff that she's not only like done and said, but he says his own shit.
Speaker A:That's terrible too.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So he may be following her lead, but it's not like it's blindly.
Speaker A:I think there's something to be said about like having your significant others back but like at the cost of your.
Speaker C:Your child.
Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker A:No, come on.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker B:Anyway, but we do know who wears the pants in that relationship.
Speaker B:Let's be real.
Speaker C:Yeah, we're going to have to do.
Speaker A:A whole episode about them miniso.
Speaker A:So we're going to.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're going to have to.
Speaker A:It's going to be, like, largely, like, extrapolated, but, like, I mean, when I'm like, oh, your child.
Speaker A:It's like, because they were never really parents, but that's a different conversation.
Speaker A:So I did just want to point out that at the point when, like, everyone's back at the 118 after the buck explosion, that what we're calling it now, Bucksplosion, that.
Speaker A:That they have that whole interaction where Bobby is finally back.
Speaker A:And Hen says specifically, and I'll talk about this again in Slow Burn, but Hen says things are finally getting back to the way they should be because Cap's back, right?
Speaker A:And it feels like, oh, we're getting the team back together finally.
Speaker A:Like, and never, like, people are where they're supposed to be in this, like, hierarchy of the family.
Speaker A:And, like, she can have her partner back and, you know, that's how she's thinking.
Speaker A:But Eddie's the only one who points out or draws attention to the fact that no things are not normal, that their family there is not complete.
Speaker A:Because he says, almost with a look on his face, a look.
Speaker B:Tm.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yes, we will talk about that.
Speaker C:Look, I would also like to talk about, like, the.
Speaker C:The blocking of that.
Speaker C:Basically, everything I have to say about that scene, I'm gonna save it for Slow Burn.
Speaker C:And then we finally get to Eddie's shield ceremony, where everybody is there to support him, even his parents, which is nice.
Speaker C:But more importantly, the rest of the 118.
Speaker A:I think it was just because they were already there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, they did seem supportive.
Speaker C:Like, Helena was like.
Speaker C:But it's like, how genuine was.
Speaker A:How else are they going to act?
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm just kind of surprised in general that, like, they.
Speaker C:They came.
Speaker C:Like, Eddie invited him.
Speaker A:I think they're not supportive of him being a firefighter.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:They just don't want him to do it.
Speaker C:Well, I think.
Speaker C:I think that's a.
Speaker C:That's an important distinction, though.
Speaker C:I think you're right.
Speaker C:They are supportive of him being a firefighter because that's honorable, just like he was a soldier.
Speaker C:And I think they supported him being a soldier, which, again, also gives them.
Speaker A:A reason to point out why Christopher needs them, because his hours are crazy.
Speaker C:But what I was trying to say was, is I think they support him in his honorable choices, but they do not support him as a father.
Speaker C:And those are.
Speaker C:Those are different things in their world.
Speaker C:I can't get into that right now, but.
Speaker C:And then, you know, Bobby gives that speech about choosing this life, which I think really emphasizes how much like Eddie did choose this life because he, he could have had also at the, like at the beginning of the season, he could have had his pick because of any of the fire stations, because he was at the top of his class, but he chose the 118.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a lovely ceremony and we see everybody is so happy for him.
Speaker C:And Christopher's there in basically like his second home because he's been so welcomed by Everybody at the 118.
Speaker C:And it's this really lovely moment where he presents his dad with his helmet and everyone's just like looking on with just like love and happiness.
Speaker C:And Buck, so cute in the back.
Speaker C:He's like, oh, my God.
Speaker C:It was, it was just like a really great visual moment to kind of culminate for, for Eddie and, and emphasize the, you know, the, the episode theme of choosing like the life that we chose.
Speaker C:And yes, it's very heavy handed.
Speaker C:It's a finale.
Speaker C:It has to be.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Sorry, do we have anything else?
Speaker A:I think like, everything else is gay, so.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's a lot love that for us.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:Okay, are we ready or are you ready to explode?
Speaker A:Explode.
Speaker A:I'm just trying really hard.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I was trying to see like how they, how these people were seated.
Speaker B:Like, is Eddie's parents in the front?
Speaker C:They're kind of in the back.
Speaker C:Right on the side.
Speaker C:They're like on the side.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because the people in the front and taking up like the center of the tables.
Speaker C:It's like Hen and Karen.
Speaker C:And I think on the other table is Buck with Maddie and Chimney.
Speaker C:Those are the front.
Speaker C:I don't know if Pepe and Abuela are at the same table as Helena and Ramon, but I think it's the table behind Buck.
Speaker C:Buck's table, which is also interesting.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's a weird seating chart, but okay.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:You would think why are Christopher and.
Speaker B:That'S a weird seating chart.
Speaker B:Yeah, but they get into a fight after that whole that comment.
Speaker B:They're like, I can't sit with you.
Speaker C:Artia, Pepa and Abuela on like the.
Speaker B:Other table with Christopher, I think.
Speaker C:Oh, that is interesting too.
Speaker C:It really is.
Speaker C:Like that separation.
Speaker C:Then like, those people are guests.
Speaker B:So like, that's like the.
Speaker B:Because then that would be like the second table on the, like if I'm Eddie facing.
Speaker B:So it would be the second table on the left.
Speaker B:And then the other ones are either on the second table or third table on the right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But not in the direct front.
Speaker C:So it really, visually, I guess, kind of like what Tim was saying in one of those articles where, like, the bifurcated.
Speaker C:It really shows that.
Speaker C:That separation of the family who are guests in his home, you could say.
Speaker C:And the family that is here in la.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Family that needs to call to make plans with you, and then the family that can just show up at your door.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Good call.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker C:That is interesting.
Speaker C:I didn't pick up on that.
Speaker A:Buckaroo.
Speaker A:Buckaroo.
Speaker C:Oh, sweet, sweet Beck.
Speaker B:All right, let's go.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:This man.
Speaker A:This man goes through the emotional gambit in this episode because when we see him, like, on his own, like, looking at the loft and we see him in Allie, like, he looks so happy.
Speaker A:Like, I think this is the happiest we ever see him in a relationship, actually.
Speaker C:Well, it's definitely, I think, like, some of the happiest he's been all season.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, because half of that was.
Speaker C:Like, you know, wringing his hands over Abby and then.
Speaker A:Yeah, but we never saw him like this with Abby, and I don't think we really see him like this.
Speaker A:Like, the.
Speaker A:The, like, nice.
Speaker A:Like, they're kind of just like, sweet and cute together.
Speaker A:Like, they have this nice little banter.
Speaker A:Yeah, sure.
Speaker A:The honeymoon phase.
Speaker A:But I just think that.
Speaker C:Yeah, but the.
Speaker C:The banter is good.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker A:Yeah, God.
Speaker C:Banter.
Speaker A:They do.
Speaker C:They've got good, like, chemistry together.
Speaker A:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:So he seems really happy.
Speaker A:They kind of do a bait and switch here where you kind of think they're, like, getting a place together, which I could be the.
Speaker A:The omen of a trend we see in the future.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:Listen, there's the exception to every rule, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:She's the exception, I think, to most.
Speaker A:The one who helps him pick it out doesn't get asked.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah, so this is where.
Speaker A:Where the.
Speaker A:The loft that we all wish would go away.
Speaker C:Comes to be.
Speaker A:Comes to be.
Speaker A:Loft begins.
Speaker C:Oh, Loft begins Our love and hate relationship.
Speaker C:Objectively, It's a great place.
Speaker A:Objectively.
Speaker C:Looks great.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Super fun.
Speaker A:I really want to know what the actual price tag on this loft is, like, what it would be.
Speaker C:I think someone has looked this up.
Speaker C:Like, the building that it's supposed to be.
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I'll have to find it.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I think I saw it in a Tumblr post, and it's expensive.
Speaker B:Trust fund baby.
Speaker A:She's like.
Speaker A:The real estate agent is like, it's got this and this and that, and it's.
Speaker A:You can't put up.
Speaker A:Oh, that view, you can't put a price on it.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, but he did.
Speaker C:You did.
Speaker C:Being a little sly about that.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And, yeah.
Speaker C:So they do the.
Speaker C:They do the bait and switch where the real estate agent is, like, under the impression that they're picking out a place to move in together, and they're kind of like, no, it's.
Speaker C:It's my first place all on my own sort of thing.
Speaker C:So we see Buck kind finally, like, ready to, you know, move into his own place.
Speaker C:A place of his own, like, ownership and.
Speaker C:And choosing, you know, an actual place instead of just kind of like, bumming it on.
Speaker C:On Maddie's couch.
Speaker C:And before that it was chimney's couch, and before that it was Abby's couch and.
Speaker C:Or bed.
Speaker A:Gonna argue that he didn't necessarily choose this, though, this particular loft.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I think, because I feel like.
Speaker A:Ali's opinion had something to do with it.
Speaker C:Big factor to play.
Speaker C:I think he did like it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't think he would have said yes if he didn't like it.
Speaker C:So I think there is an element of his choosing in there, but he didn't choose it completely on his own.
Speaker C:He had.
Speaker C:But it.
Speaker C:But there is a choice there, you know, because he could say, like, no, let's keep looking, but I understand where you're coming from with that.
Speaker C:So just kind of like a nice way for him to bookend the season of him, you know, squatting in Abby's place to, well, kind of squatting as a roommate in his own.
Speaker C:Which that kind of means that things haven't changed that much, but which is really sad.
Speaker A:I mean, it's an upgrade because instead of getting ghosted, he actually got broken up with face to face.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's progress.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's something.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know what else to say about the loft that isn't the breakout.
Speaker A:The scene is simultaneously cute and simultaneously.
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker A:For several reasons.
Speaker A:One of them is, why are you making out in front of your real estate agent?
Speaker C:Because they're in the honeymoon phase and they don't get to see each other a lot.
Speaker C:So it's like, it's just like, wait.
Speaker A:Until your 20 minute appointment with the real estate agent is over.
Speaker A:That's just.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:That's so weird to me.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:Well, if they're signing papers, that was not gonna be 20 minutes.
Speaker C:Maybe it was a strategy to get, like, the real estate agent, like, I don't know, be nicer to Them and.
Speaker B:Give them a little bit of a discount.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know how cute we are.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Look how cute we are.
Speaker C:Aren't we a great asset to this building?
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker B:And potentially she'll move in with me.
Speaker C:And then I'm a civil servant.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't feel bad for us because we don't get to see each other.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:And honestly, I think it was more of a narrative device to bring Ally.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like, having them be all over each other and, like, while they're touring this apartment was a little bit more like.
Speaker C:Because we haven't seen their relationship.
Speaker A:Well, I get that, Rachel.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, as two.
Speaker A:If they were real.
Speaker A:Two real people.
Speaker A:Because we're not talking.
Speaker A:We're talking about them as if they're real.
Speaker A:This is their character arcs and their choices.
Speaker A:I was just saying that's weird.
Speaker A:It was not deep.
Speaker A:I was just saying it was weird.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:That level of PDA in front of a stranger who is like, you're supposed to be doing a professional thing with.
Speaker A:That's all moving on.
Speaker C:Buckle.
Speaker C:Boom.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're leaving the station to go on a call, and Buck is ready to go help someone, but then he ends up being the person who needs help, which is, like, his least favorite thing in the world, probably.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he does not want to ask for help if he does not have to.
Speaker C:And he also wants, like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So the one time.
Speaker C:The one time he's in the captain's chair.
Speaker A:Oh, he's never sitting in that thing again.
Speaker B:I was gonna say it's cursed now.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It absolutely.
Speaker A:Pierre becomes captain, he's gonna constantly make other people sit.
Speaker B:He's gonna be like, I'm gonna sit in the back.
Speaker C:Like, I'm sorry, trauma.
Speaker C:I can direct from the back seat.
Speaker C:It's fine.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:His superstitious ass.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker C:Never again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because that is the only time that he's in the captain's seat because.
Speaker C:And I don't know why they were, like, broken up this way other than, like, the plot dictated.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:It was necessary.
Speaker C:But Eddie and Hen and Chimney are in the other engine.
Speaker C:And I looked and I double checked.
Speaker C:They're not in the ambulance.
Speaker C:They're in the other engine.
Speaker C:Because I think Chimney is in the captain's seat of the other engine because there are two and an ambulance.
Speaker C:So they said, book you go be.
Speaker A:With the people who don't have speaking lines.
Speaker C:I don't think we even see their faces.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Because they're face Down.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker C:Bad for the silent members of the 118.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Like, they just have to endure all this stuff.
Speaker B:It's a spin off the silent members.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:They need their own union.
Speaker C:Let's be real.
Speaker A:I would love, like, I know we talk about all of these, like, oh.
Speaker B:My God, the liaison is Robbie.
Speaker B:Because he's like, not there sometimes and then he is there.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But no, I think we.
Speaker A:I mean, like, as a fandom, we've talked about, like, different bottle episodes they could do.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:I think a really funny one would be like, the outside point of view of like, not even like, Ravi, but like.
Speaker A:Yes, completely from the point of view of the people that never get to talk.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Like, I know we've met, but like.
Speaker A:But just them watching the other ones, like.
Speaker C:Did you.
Speaker C:Did you hear what there is.
Speaker C:There is a fantastic fic.
Speaker C:It's called the Bunk Room Fic.
Speaker C:Find it so we can link it.
Speaker C:Which is basically that.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's a third party perspective bottle episode of like, you know, just different moments in the bunk room of the 118 as seen through the eyes of the other members of the 118.
Speaker A:Silent members.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:And the author does a really good job because they make these characters who, like, like we have some names for.
Speaker C:For them in canon.
Speaker C:I think, like, Julie Rosen is one.
Speaker C:Jonesy, there's.
Speaker C:There's a couple other.
Speaker C:This author kind of makes them into their own characters.
Speaker C:And it's really cute and very well done.
Speaker C:So if you want to read it, we'll have that available linked somewhere.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, I mean, there's not a lot to talk about with him at the actual scene of this crime because he's.
Speaker A:He's just an agony.
Speaker A:And like, Oliver Stark does agony really well.
Speaker A:Just one of the reasons I'm sure Tim Minier keeps writing Agony for Buck.
Speaker C:I want to know if he lost his voice because like, that.
Speaker C:Those, like, screams in pain as they're trying to lift up the truck and it's just like.
Speaker C:That's some of the most believable screams I've ever heard.
Speaker C:Like, just really good.
Speaker A:It's painful.
Speaker C:Yeah, it is painful because it sounds so authentic and like, I know logically, like, Oliver Stark was not crushed by an engine, but it really feels like he's felt that kind of pain before or like something to tap into.
Speaker C:Like that kind of like guttural, agonizing pain.
Speaker C:I hope nothing like that has ever happened.
Speaker C:Which would make it even more impressive if it hasn't.
Speaker A:We'll never know.
Speaker C:Sure, we'll.
Speaker B:Maybe it's like, maybe somewhere in his filmography somewhere else.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So he's practiced that.
Speaker C:It is tough for Buck because he can't do anything and he has to rely on his family to help him, but even they can't, you know, get him out from underneath this truck.
Speaker C:So the 118 has to then rely on bystanders in the middle of the street just, like, rushing past the barricades and just being good Samaritans and giving back to their community and the first responders who.
Speaker C:Who help them.
Speaker C:So that's always a really lovely scene.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I do get goosebumps every time I watch it.
Speaker C:There's something.
Speaker C:There's something about, like, a group of people coming together in that.
Speaker C:In that kind of way to, like, do something.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:It's a little different than, like, going to a sports game and everybody doing the wave.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But it's similar.
Speaker B:This is a.
Speaker B:It's not a stretch because it's the same vein, but it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's kind of giving the portal scene.
Speaker C:Oh, yes.
Speaker C:Which also gives me.
Speaker C:She has help.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So everyone coming together to fight or.
Speaker B:Well, to fight or in this case, to help.
Speaker B:Very emotional.
Speaker C:So collective effervescence is the concept that describes the feeling of unity that people experience when they come together for a shared purpose or a shared experience.
Speaker C:So, like, people going to a concert and sharing that experience of that concert.
Speaker C:People at, like, a sports game and they're doing the wave.
Speaker C:People collectively deciding to go past the barriers and help out the first responders.
Speaker C:That's what gives me the goosebumps.
Speaker C:It's that collective effervescence never fails.
Speaker C:Which is the same thing as, like, the portals scene as well in Endgame.
Speaker C:It is one of my favorite things in the world anyway.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:Shocking revelations, Rachel.
Speaker A:But I like.
Speaker C:That is my favorite.
Speaker C:That is my favorite feeling.
Speaker C:But we're not about me.
Speaker C:We're about Buck.
Speaker A:We're about Buck.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So except for when we're about Eddie.
Speaker C:Yeah, but usually those are related.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's just like everybody coming together as a team for Buck, which is so such a beautiful thing because there's that kind of.
Speaker C:Throughout the episode, you know, he's looking for an apartment to be on his own.
Speaker C:And then when Maddie is seeing this transpire at Dispatch, and she's so emotional and in such distress for him because she's like.
Speaker C:But he's all alone.
Speaker C:And Josh comes In.
Speaker C:And he says, like, no, he's not.
Speaker C:Because he has the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:His family with the 118.
Speaker C:He has the larger community coming to help him.
Speaker A:She has help.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:It's giving.
Speaker C:She has Out.
Speaker C:It's just giving.
Speaker C:End game.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Oh, wait, no, that was.
Speaker C:Yeah, that was end game.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So it's just, like, that show of support and gratitude.
Speaker C:I don't think Buck really knows what to do with that either, because I don't think he really thought it was about him.
Speaker C:I think it was more about the general, like, thing that happened.
Speaker C:So he doesn't feel like as.
Speaker C:That it was like, as personal to him, because these are all people that he doesn't know.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:You know, a lot of them are not part of his family.
Speaker C:So I don't think he feels like he was maybe, like, deserving of it.
Speaker C:But these.
Speaker C:I mean, he's grateful, but, like, he just wants to get back out there.
Speaker A:He literally never talks about the accident.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:It's all about the.
Speaker A:The after effects, like, what it.
Speaker C:What it means going forward.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I kind of wonder, too, then, if he fully remembers it.
Speaker C:I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't, because he was in so much pain.
Speaker A:I'm surprised he didn't black out, to be honest with you.
Speaker C:I think that's also, like, the most.
Speaker C:I mean, fight or flight.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Another theme.
Speaker B:Some adrenaline.
Speaker C:Giving him a lot of adrenaline, I'm sure.
Speaker C:And shock.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And he's trained his body to ride out the adrenaline.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Before we maybe move on.
Speaker B:So we didn't really talk about Athena's closing monologue.
Speaker B:Like, at the end of the episode, she delivers this monologue that's present and two different scenes, kind of.
Speaker B:So one would have been at the firehouse during Eddie's shield ceremony, and the other is during the courthouse wedding.
Speaker B:I feel like the scene.
Speaker B:This scene in particular kind of, like, is a good example of some of what she says.
Speaker B:So she starts off with saying, an emergency is the absence of choice.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker B:I'm gonna kind.
Speaker B:I'm gonna paraphrase.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna read all of it.
Speaker B:So it.
Speaker B:So that's one of the important beats.
Speaker B:It's the absence of choice.
Speaker B:But in the moment of darkness, we steal back that choice and we choose each other.
Speaker B:Then she goes on saying, we choose friendship, family, hope, joy.
Speaker B:We choose to live.
Speaker B:And then during the closing, she says, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:So when the ground shifts beneath our feet and the storm rages around this.
Speaker B:It's all these people that provide relief.
Speaker B:And others and offer shelter.
Speaker B:This is how we can save ourselves by saving each other.
Speaker B:Because nobody, not anybody, has ever been saved alone.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think that's an important line there at the end to incorporate into Buck's experience in.
Speaker C:In this emergency, too, because this really isn't any of his choice, like, he literally, like Freddy says, is collateral damage, because he had absolutely nothing to do with the whole impetus of Freddie doing this.
Speaker C:And he wasn't even in the fire academy when that happened, as Bobby says.
Speaker C:But the fact that we save ourselves by saving each other and nobody has ever been saved alone.
Speaker C:So I think that is also one of the key reasons that the 118, like hen and chimney and Eddie had to be the ones to save him.
Speaker C:Even though it was like, they should have probably also been checked out, too, because it could honestly could have been on either one of those engines.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So them coming together and that we save ourselves by saving each other, I think that is quintessentially Buck.
Speaker C:I think he saves himself by throwing himself into saving others.
Speaker C:I think that's just like elevator pitch for his character, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It doesn't get any more like Buck than that.
Speaker C:And it's nice then that it gets turned around.
Speaker C:And when he's the one that needs saving, everyone else steps up for him, too.
Speaker A:Then the next time we see Buck is him waking up in the hospital, which I think he's way more calm than I would be in the position he is in.
Speaker A:Like, he is freaking out, but he's not freaking out like a normal person would.
Speaker A:He is freaking out because, like, he went under for that surgery with the question mark of if he'd ever be able to work again.
Speaker A:So that's him waking up immediately.
Speaker A:Like, he's not really thinking about, like, oh, I'm in so much pain.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, this sucks.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, this is gonna.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:So much recovery.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I was crushed by a fight.
Speaker A:Doesn't talk about that at all.
Speaker A:It's all about.
Speaker C:It's not, am I going to be able.
Speaker A:It's all, yeah, sure, I'll be able to walk again, but can I work?
Speaker A:Can I be a firefighter?
Speaker A:Is literally all he cares about.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He really doesn't take any time to process any of this stuff.
Speaker C:It's always looking towards the next thing.
Speaker C:I mean, you could say, like, he is trying to be optimistic and look for his, like, next step forward pun.
Speaker C:Not really intended, but just kick a man while he's down because firefighting is his life and we'll see in, like, season three.
Speaker C:If he doesn't have the rest of his life to look forward to and because his whole life is firefighting, then what does he have to live for?
Speaker C:And that kind of comes into play at the beginning of season three.
Speaker C:He's kind of doing what Maddie did after Doug, where, you know, he was telling her, you know, isn't it a little bit soon for you to go back to work?
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So he's just being completely hypocritical here, which, like, I get it, because it's different when it's not your emergency.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:So, like, he's kind of not taking any of his own advice that he gave Maddie when she was in distress about, like, taking the time and trying to process the trauma and everything like that.
Speaker C:I think it's because he feels like Maddie has more to live for now because Doug is no longer in the picture.
Speaker C:So it's like her life has opened up, whereas his is closing in on him.
Speaker C:If he can't do his job, even though he gave the advice, it's almost like it doesn't pertain to him with this.
Speaker A:And we see Allie and him again, and it's very cute and sweet again, and, like, rip, Chimney.
Speaker A:What's it like to wake up and have your significant other.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:I mean, I did have that.
Speaker C:I did have those thoughts of, like, wow, she's not pulling a Tatiana.
Speaker B:Yeah, no.
Speaker A:I mean, she was watching, like, we see her watching the news and watching this all happen and, you know, really, really worried, and she's, like, tearing up, crying when the people are helping, and she sees that he's gonna be okay, and she's basically there as soon as he wakes up.
Speaker A:And she stays through taking him home.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so she shows up, and then, like, Patty and Carla have this whole thing about, like, I like it, that is that he didn't, like, we'll talk about this later.
Speaker A:But, like, he thanks her for being there, which, like, I thought was.
Speaker A:I mean, like, I guess maybe that's a normal thing to say.
Speaker A:But I was like, is this just to make fun of Jimny?
Speaker C:Well, I guess.
Speaker C:I guess because he has seen that before where, like.
Speaker A:Well, yeah.
Speaker A:And he's not used to people showing he's.
Speaker A:For him.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Two pronged.
Speaker C:He's not used to people showing up for him like that because Maddie is still, like, new in town, kind of less so now after the entire season.
Speaker C:I do think maybe he was thinking a little bit about the chimney's rebar.
Speaker C:Incident where Chimney was in a relationship that was.
Speaker C:It seemed like it was much longer or more serious, according to Chimney, than where Buck and Ally are.
Speaker C:Tatiana just, like, split because she couldn't hack it.
Speaker C:And, I mean, we see Allie does make a similar decision, but.
Speaker C:But in a very different way.
Speaker C:In a much more, like, mature way, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So maybe.
Speaker C:Maybe in the back.
Speaker C:That was playing in the back of his mind.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, like, he thanks her and then he's like, I would like it noted that he didn't think either of us.
Speaker A:And then Carla's like, I don't think he even knows we're still here.
Speaker A:And, like, he does, like, just ignore.
Speaker C:Yeah, they are very.
Speaker C:Buck and Allie are very full on in this.
Speaker C:In this scene.
Speaker C:And it's really funny.
Speaker C:And I think it's.
Speaker C:Honestly, I just think it's because they hadn't done anything to.
Speaker C:To showcase the development of their relationship on screen, so they had to make it, like, give it more stakes and stuff.
Speaker C:But, yeah, Carla also says, like, because Carla is the one when he.
Speaker C:To be there directly when he wakes up.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And she says, you know, you should take this moment and just be glad that you're alive.
Speaker C:And he's just like, no, gotta.
Speaker C:Gotta move on to the next.
Speaker A:No, because if I'm not a firefighter, I might as well not be.
Speaker C:I might as well not even exist.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's what he'll be dealing with.
Speaker C:And I know we're going to talk about him coming back home from the hospital in our scene dissection, but do we want to talk about, just very briefly, the.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:The tough love that Maddie gives him when they're.
Speaker C:When they're preparing for Eddie's shield ceremony.
Speaker C:Badge ceremony or badge ceremony?
Speaker C:I thought it was shield ceremony.
Speaker C:It's either or.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:I googled it when we had this conversation last time.
Speaker A:It's badge.
Speaker C:My apologies.
Speaker C:The ceremony, the probation graduation, which I think, yes, a better ring to it, but sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Maddie is absolutely mangling his pants with.
Speaker A:Why would you ever use these scissors for that purpose?
Speaker C:Scissors.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, so.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:It looks awful.
Speaker C:He's right.
Speaker C:It does look awful.
Speaker A:It does look awful.
Speaker C:You could have just like, cut, cut, cut would have been easy.
Speaker C:And then, like, it was like, have kitchen scissors.
Speaker A:Like, you could have used anything.
Speaker C:I think she needed to get some of her anger out, maybe her frustration at him.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:I did find it weird that she was like, you need to be resting.
Speaker A:Like, you shouldn't even Be.
Speaker A:And I was like, he can't.
Speaker A:I'm like, he has to go to doctor's appointments.
Speaker A:He can't go sit at the ceremony for, like, an hour.
Speaker C:Like, he can be on crutches.
Speaker C:I understand.
Speaker C:Like, not be up and about for too long.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I think she's.
Speaker C:Well, I think this is basically like.
Speaker C:Like we just said, the.
Speaker C:The reversal of that scene that we.
Speaker C:We're talking about with Buck and Maddie when they were having lunch or brunch at the diner after Doug.
Speaker C:And now Maddie's taken.
Speaker C:Taken this point of like, well, well, now you need time to heal.
Speaker C:You need time to process.
Speaker C:And he's just like, nope, this is more important.
Speaker C:Not just.
Speaker C:And I think in the grander scheme, like, not just Eddie's ceremony, which is important to him that he goes and supports his friend and has his back, but also this is more important for him to show that he can get the surgeries done.
Speaker C:The sooner he can go back to work, the sooner he can live.
Speaker C:Keep living his life that he chose.
Speaker A:I thought this.
Speaker A:I thought this ceremony was more about supporting Eddie and then being around his family, in his home.
Speaker C:Yeah, but, I mean, there are two.
Speaker C:Yeah, I.
Speaker C:I think it's both.
Speaker C:But this.
Speaker C:The surgery, the surgeries part is more about, like, getting back.
Speaker A:The surgeries part is 100.
Speaker A:About getting back to work.
Speaker A:Well, and his family, but that's the same thing.
Speaker A:So then he drops this bomb on her about, like, oh, well, they'll just fix that with everything else, like, if he hurts himself or whatever.
Speaker C:And she's like, and what?
Speaker A:Excuse me.
Speaker C:Excuse me.
Speaker A:And then she finds out that, like, he's electing to have a surgery that the doctors are recommending against because they want to wait and see, like, a little longer if things are going to be healing the way that they want them to before, like, going into a surgery.
Speaker A:And he's like, no, I just want to get back as fast as possible.
Speaker A:Which is just like, not what you want to do with broken bones in general if you can avoid a surgery or more surgeries.
Speaker A:So he's better.
Speaker C:Better.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker C:And I kind of wonder then, like, wouldn't the doctors just be like, we do not recommend this for you, so we cannot give it to you.
Speaker C:I don't know if it really works like that, but I think.
Speaker A:I think there's a difference between, like, you just showing up and being like, I want this surgery, and then being like, this might need done, because they.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They, like, they gave me when I broke my like, very minor compared to this.
Speaker A:But when I broke my leg, they were like, it's very close to dating surgery.
Speaker A:So you.
Speaker A:They let me decide.
Speaker A:They were like, do you want to try and go the regular route, or do you want to go, like, go ahead with surgery?
Speaker A:Because you might still have to get it if it doesn't heal correctly.
Speaker A:So, you know, that might be where he's at, and it might be them saying that.
Speaker A:But we recommend that you do this.
Speaker A:But still giving him the option.
Speaker A:That's probably what it was.
Speaker C:Makes sense.
Speaker C:And of course, he's going to choose the option that.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Gets him on his feet quicker, literally.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:So it's not like a he signed himself out against doctor's recommendation kind of thing.
Speaker A:It's like a Here are the two options.
Speaker A:We recommend this one, because it's better if you.
Speaker C:He's just gonna go against those recommendations because this is his choice, and he's taking, like, autonomy over it, even if it's not.
Speaker C:And that's kind of what Buck does sometimes, is like, he.
Speaker C:He may, you know, exercise his autonomy, but in ways that are not the most beneficial to him.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Because he.
Speaker A:He exercises his autonomy in a way that kind of.
Speaker A:It's almost taking his autonomy away because it's like he thinks his.
Speaker A:He is only good for what his body can do for other people.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And if his buddy is broken, that means he is broken, and he can't look at that right now.
Speaker A:He's useless.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He doesn't want to unpack all of that.
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely not.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So Maddie says, like, you know, after.
Speaker C:After, he is so emphatically like, you know, this being a firefighter is the only thing I've done that's important and that's mattered.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:Oh, God, just like, what a performance of that scene, too, because it's just so, like, emphatic, like, just so felt instinctually.
Speaker C:And Maddie's like, but you will still be buff.
Speaker C:And we, as in, like, the whole family, we will love you.
Speaker C:And it.
Speaker C:That's such a beautiful sentiment to reiterate.
Speaker C:It's sad because of the fact that she has to reiterate it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That it's not just a given.
Speaker C:And also kind of makes me think how little Buck has heard that in his life and probably only from Maddie, that he doesn't have that ingrained in him, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's probably why he, like, brushes it off.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:And then she also does try to appeal to this, like, you know, him saying that this.
Speaker A:That Firefighting is the only thing that he's ever done that's important, that's mattered and important.
Speaker A:And she tries to appeal to that, because I know she's not going in with the just a we will still love you argument that's gonna work with her brother and says, there are other.
Speaker A:Lots of other important things that you can do with your life.
Speaker A:And he's like, no, I've already made my choice.
Speaker C:End of discussion.
Speaker A:End of discussion.
Speaker C:And this kind of goes with, you know, what Bobby says at the.
Speaker C:At the ceremony.
Speaker C:Like, sometimes this life chooses us.
Speaker C:And for Buck, now that he has been chosen by this life, now that this life has chosen him, he doesn't want any other choice.
Speaker C:He may have kind of fallen into firefighting, but now that he's here, there is no other choice for him.
Speaker A:He's got a death hold on that.
Speaker C:Which kind of makes it really amazing to see, like, where he's come to, like, season.
Speaker C:At the beginning of season eight with the.
Speaker C:When.
Speaker C:I mean, granted, it's, like, under Gerard, but it's like, we should all just quit.
Speaker C:It's just kind of like seeing that, like, that season eight book put against this season two.
Speaker C:Buck is, like, so interesting to me.
Speaker A:Well, I didn't.
Speaker A:I don't think he.
Speaker C:He doesn't actually want to leave.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But it's because he thought, like, oh, we quit and we don't go back to firefighting.
Speaker A:It was like, we quit in protest, and then things will change.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But even for that to, like, to come across his mind as a solution to this problem is kind of like, whoa.
Speaker C:Because that never.
Speaker C:That never would have crossed his mind in season two, because that was.
Speaker C:There is no quitting.
Speaker C:Like, it is firefighting or it is absolutely nothing at all.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:There's no quitting.
Speaker C:Like, I bust.
Speaker A:Firefighting or bust.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes, exactly.
Speaker C:Firefighting or bust.
Speaker A:Hey, where's the fire?
Speaker C:All right, so I think that brings us to our scene dissection, and we are going to look a little more intensely at the Buck and Alley breakup, which happens after Buck comes home from the hospital and Ali is with him, and they're settling him in to his newly furnished apartment, which.
Speaker C:With the couch, which also, if you have not listened to our Couch theory episode, we also talk about this there, so.
Speaker A:Well, we talk about this breakup.
Speaker A:We talk about the blocking and the meaning of the couch and all of it.
Speaker A:So, like, we do really get into dissecting it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:There.
Speaker C:And we'll try not to be too reiterative, but I think we can, like, just pop in a couple.
Speaker C:A couple different comments.
Speaker C:Um, but if you.
Speaker C:If you want a more thorough of like, the production.
Speaker C:The production.
Speaker C:And then like, them on the couch specifically, as opposed to, like, the grander metaphor, the.
Speaker A:The symbolism of, like, the couch specifically.
Speaker C:Yeah, go check that out.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So Buck is entering his newly furnished apartment with the furnishings that Allie, as a interior decorator or designer probably picked out for him.
Speaker C:Interestingly enough, including the couch.
Speaker C:And just like Buck has been all season, he is now kind of bumming as a roommate in his own apartment and couch surfing, even in his own place now.
Speaker C:Just like the terror.
Speaker A:What she says.
Speaker A:She says you're like a perpetual.
Speaker A:When he's like, I miss my own bed, which I won't like him.
Speaker A:It's like he forgot that he has to go upstairs to his bed.
Speaker C:He probably did forget.
Speaker C:Let's be real cool.
Speaker A:He just moved in there.
Speaker A:Yeah, he probably got to sleep in it like a couple nights.
Speaker B:He was probably like, I would not have moved in here if I had known this was going to happen.
Speaker C:No, he does say that.
Speaker C:Oh, he's like, yeah, I wouldn't have done that if I knew I was going to, like, get cross.
Speaker A:Lesson learn.
Speaker A:Never sign a lease if you intend on being crushed by municipal equipment.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So it's just like he's.
Speaker C:He's been going from Chint me's couch to Maddie's couch to his own couch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, he doesn't have stairs, you know, where he could have just slept.
Speaker B:That, you know, who's like, well, whatever.
Speaker B:Because he still would have been sleeping on the couch.
Speaker B:So I mean it.
Speaker C:Yeah, but we haven't seen him there yet.
Speaker B:Ah, that's true.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't think we've been to Eddie's house with Buck.
Speaker C:No, I don't think we have edited at Eddie's house yet.
Speaker A:No, we haven't.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:That only happens after the events of season three at the beginning.
Speaker C:See, which is also interesting.
Speaker C:Anyways, so what is he wearing?
Speaker A:Oh, he's.
Speaker A:He's wearing.
Speaker A:Oh, what's that color when you mix yellow and blue together?
Speaker C:Oh, do you mean.
Speaker C:Do you mean break of green?
Speaker C:That's the one he's wearing.
Speaker C:Break of green.
Speaker A:It all starts here, folks.
Speaker C:On the couch.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:This is like.
Speaker C:It's like breakup clue where.
Speaker B:You'Re wearing that dark green.
Speaker B:Oh, you know, a breakup's coming.
Speaker A:Oh, yep, that's the dark green.
Speaker A:And then it's the serious talk coffee table.
Speaker C:Yeah, like the colored place.
Speaker C:And The.
Speaker C:The weapon.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:A book being broken up with on a couch for a founding kitchen couch.
Speaker C:Founding living room.
Speaker C:No, but that is absolutely wild that he's wearing breakup green, which has, like, it's at least three times crazy work.
Speaker C:That's more than a pattern.
Speaker A:So that's a.
Speaker A:That's a.
Speaker A:That's on purpose.
Speaker C:Costuming department of 911.
Speaker C:We love you.
Speaker C:Keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker C:Please let us know where we can send you your flowers and.
Speaker C:Or edible arrangements, whichever you so choose.
Speaker C:Thank you very much.
Speaker B:That being said, when buddy could do get together, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't ever want to see breakup green on either one of them.
Speaker B:Thank you very much.
Speaker B:Please burn those shirts away.
Speaker B:Please burn those shirts.
Speaker A:When they get together.
Speaker A:They should.
Speaker A:There needs to be breakup green involved, like, somehow.
Speaker C:No, because what they do sometimes is they put couples in blue and green.
Speaker C:So, like Bobby and Athena.
Speaker A:That's different.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's different.
Speaker C:But anyways, I think just.
Speaker C:Just keep a lookout for this dark green that Buck tends to wear when he gets broken up with.
Speaker A:It's like he knows.
Speaker B:So, I mean, I guess I'll get my thing out of the way real quick.
Speaker B:So their breakup wish was pretty much paralleled.
Speaker B:Or mostly parallel.
Speaker B:I was gonna say foreshadowed, but I mean, you see this very direct parallel with the call with Roy and Maude at the.
Speaker B:Was it like a race car derby?
Speaker C:Yeah, it was like.
Speaker C:It was like a stunt show or something.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker B:Stunt show.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, like, essentially here.
Speaker A:Is that a racetrack?
Speaker B:Yeah, that'll.
Speaker B:Racetrack.
Speaker B:So essentially, you've got your.
Speaker B:Your characters, like, parallel that.
Speaker B:This with the same kind of role.
Speaker B:So Roy being the.
Speaker B:The boyfriend daredevil who's, you know, doing risky things.
Speaker B:The girlfriend who's.
Speaker B:Well, she's.
Speaker B:I would say she's very different from Ali, but she's reluctantly supportive.
Speaker B:She's reluctantly supportive.
Speaker B:And she's.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:She's playing the girlfriend role.
Speaker B:And then there's the.
Speaker B:The Roy's car, which is equating the.
Speaker B:The ladder truck or.
Speaker B:Or both being professions that they, you know, Buck and Roy love.
Speaker B:Respectfully.
Speaker A:The dangerous profession.
Speaker B:The dangerous profession.
Speaker B:So as we know, Roy gets stuck.
Speaker B:His hair gets stuck in, like, the engine.
Speaker B:In the engine, which equates to Buck's light getting crushed by the ladder truck.
Speaker B:They get him out.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker B:And as they're getting.
Speaker B:So as they're getting.
Speaker B:So when Roy is getting, like, onto the ambulance, he's like, oh, mod.
Speaker B:I can Basically, we can do this again.
Speaker B:I'm going to do it again.
Speaker B:And it's going to be like a higher, like more risk involved.
Speaker B:Call up everyone, you know, because I'm okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then Bucks over here, like, you know, he wants to go be back on the job.
Speaker B:He still wants to continue doing what he's doing.
Speaker B:So like, I mean, that was like that direct.
Speaker B:Really funny.
Speaker B:Direct parallel and foreshadow to what happens with Ally.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And honestly, like, I'm just gonna just say it.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna assume that Roy and Maude broke up after that.
Speaker B:So just to complete it, make it full circle.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we see, like, we see Ally kind of try and feel out, even though I think she already knows going into this, that Buck wants to continue firefighting.
Speaker A:Because she even starts off the conversation by saying, so like, have you thought about what's next?
Speaker A:And he immediately is on the defense.
Speaker A:On the defense.
Speaker A:Like, wait, what do you mean?
Speaker A:Does someone say something to you?
Speaker A:Like, wait, he's tweaking out.
Speaker C:It really is like, did someone give you information?
Speaker C:Did the doctors tell you something?
Speaker C:They didn't tell me something.
Speaker A:Be a carrier pigeon.
Speaker A:Like, do you mean HIPAA exists?
Speaker C:Buck, you know this.
Speaker A:But yeah, so he's like, you know, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm going to go back to work.
Speaker A:Like, what else?
Speaker A:And she's like, yeah, yeah, basically that's.
Speaker A:That's what she thought.
Speaker A:And he, he's like, what.
Speaker A:What is going on?
Speaker A:And she's like, I watched you almost die.
Speaker A:And he's like, that's my job.
Speaker A:Or it's, it's.
Speaker A:It's his line.
Speaker A:It's you almost died.
Speaker A:But I didn't.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:It's just like it keeps.
Speaker A:It keeps going.
Speaker C:That's not.
Speaker C:But I'm not a good counter argument.
Speaker C:Buck.
Speaker A:He can't say that anymore though.
Speaker C:No, but he can say what?
Speaker C:I lived.
Speaker C:He can't say I didn't die.
Speaker A:Doesn't he say something similar though, in season six?
Speaker A:It's like, it's like you died.
Speaker A:But I'm fine.
Speaker A:But I'm fine.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm fine.
Speaker C:Yeah, it didn't take.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he's mostly dead.
Speaker A:He's mostly dead.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then she.
Speaker A:And she's like, it's not like I didn't know you were in Dangerous Line of Work when I met you, you know, because how they met was at the earthquake, you know, in a collapsing high res.
Speaker A:High rise.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:And she's like, well, that was Just one day of my life.
Speaker A:It's every day for you.
Speaker A:And I'm just starting to understand what that means.
Speaker A:And he's like, wait, so you want me to quit my job?
Speaker A:Is that's what you're asking me to do?
Speaker A:And it's like.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, I would never.
Speaker A:I would never ask you to do that.
Speaker C:And, like, I think.
Speaker C:I think it's so.
Speaker C:It's not funny, but, like, the way he jumps to conclusions about that.
Speaker C:It's like you can really see, like, how his thought process works where he receives, like, any, like, modicum of.
Speaker C:Not even, like, astrology is out.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is the cancer moon jumping the fuck out.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:That's why he's tweaking.
Speaker C:It's his.
Speaker C:It's his jumping to conclusion so he.
Speaker C:It's the way that he, like, jumps to conclusions.
Speaker C:It's not even, like, really a criticism that she gives him about this, but he's so just kind of like, the way he's hearing or like, what he's hearing and how he's processing to him is just like this big ticker tape in his head of just like, she wants you to quit.
Speaker C:She doesn't want you to be who you are.
Speaker C:And that understandably freaks him out.
Speaker C:But to Ali's credit, and I think so much of this scene is, like, to her credit, she knows, like, to an extent, she does actually see him because she knows that he would want to go back to work immediately, like, as soon as he can.
Speaker C:She would.
Speaker C:She says she would never ask him to quit his job.
Speaker C:So, like, there's an element there where, like, Ally is very understanding.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But Buck doesn't really see that because he's so, like, clouded in his own turmoil right now that he can't really understand that.
Speaker C:He can't really understand this from another perspective at the moment because he's so entrenched in his.
Speaker C:And the trauma of potentially not going back to work.
Speaker C:And for.
Speaker C:For Ali, like, yeah, that they did meet in.
Speaker C:In an emergency kind of way, but that's also a little more like.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:It's a little more like on the.
Speaker C:In the abstract.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because it is different when it's your emergency.
Speaker C:So it's kind of a flip on that as well because, like, she was.
Speaker C:She had her emergency at the beginning.
Speaker C:That's how they met.
Speaker C:But when she is at home just watching, looking on and not able to do anything from a completely outside perspective, it is different because.
Speaker C:And it's Kind of that flip on the when it's your emergency theme, because it was her emergency first, and now it's not.
Speaker C:But she can only, like, watch it as it happens.
Speaker C:Kind of like what Maddie was doing in dispatch.
Speaker C:But at least Maddie can, like, help people out at dispatch.
Speaker C:Ali, who is not in the life, literally can't do anything except, like, be supportive.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Which she.
Speaker C:Which she is.
Speaker C:She just.
Speaker C:She can't really see that life for herself.
Speaker A:For herself, which is what the end of this conversation is, where after he is like, what?
Speaker A:You're asking me to quit my job?
Speaker C:She's like, no.
Speaker A:She's like, listen, I know it's who you are.
Speaker A:I'm just not sure.
Speaker A:And then Buck is like, he's getting it now.
Speaker A:He's understanding now.
Speaker A:He's like, if it's who you are.
Speaker A:And then, you know, she's trying to be reassuring, and she's like, hey, I don't know yet.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:I mean, even though she says, like, I just don't know yet, it's pretty much like, doors closed.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm sure that they did not last much longer than this.
Speaker A:Like, how do you move forward from that?
Speaker C:No, and it's.
Speaker C:And, I mean, at least she doesn't string him along like Abby.
Speaker C:And this is.
Speaker C:This is where the differences are between Ally and Abby.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:That elective surgery might have been the ax.
Speaker C:Ooh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, that makes.
Speaker C:That actually makes a lot of sense.
Speaker C:And it's not like she would be pulling a Tatiana either, in this case.
Speaker A:No, it's.
Speaker C:It's just like, you know, how can she support him when he's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Getting ready to almost, like, harm himself?
Speaker A:Yeah, because it's like.
Speaker A:Well, she's trying to figure out if she can even support him being a firefighter.
Speaker A:Like, but it's like.
Speaker A:And you're.
Speaker A:You're going against what your doctor even recommends.
Speaker A:Like, you're like, I can't.
Speaker A:Like, I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm just trying to see from her point of view, and if I was already at the point where I'm like, I don't think I can do this.
Speaker C:That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker A:And that would push me over.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker C:Especially when you're just like.
Speaker C:You just.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:Like, she watched it happen.
Speaker C:There's gonna be.
Speaker C:There would be emergencies.
Speaker C:There would be emergencies where she doesn't see it on live tv, and she would probably be, like, freaking out, like, every day.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And, like, just waiting for that phone call, kind of like.
Speaker A:And they're long distance, so it's not like she gets to come home at the end of the day and see that he's okay.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So it really is like, I gotta respect Ali's choice in this.
Speaker C:Just, like, being completely honest and saying, like, you know, I respect your choices as a firefighter and how your world revolves around that, but I'm not sure I can take that on for myself.
Speaker C:And that stress of being the partner to someone in that line of work, which is a completely, like, rational, understandable, and fair response, because not everybody's cut out for that kind of stress.
Speaker A:Just, like, I.
Speaker A:I do understand, and I respect her for, like, when she realized this, talking about it, but I also understand Buck being like, exactly.
Speaker A:You met me on a call like this.
Speaker A:Like, what do you mean?
Speaker A:You don't know?
Speaker A:You're the one who called me.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And again, it's because.
Speaker C:It's because having these things in abstract is so much different than, like.
Speaker A:But I.
Speaker C:Experiencing it.
Speaker C:And I understand from both.
Speaker C:From both sides.
Speaker C:Which is like.
Speaker C:Which I think is why, at first, Buck sees that as, like, an affront to his personhood because he can't extrapolate himself from his job.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker A:No, he sees it as a rejection of, like, him personally.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:And it's not.
Speaker C:And so, like, the more they talk, the more that.
Speaker C:The more he's like, okay, I don't get it.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker A:Still defensive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, you're late.
Speaker A:You're mean.
Speaker C:You're just leaving.
Speaker A:I understand.
Speaker A:But you're leaving, so.
Speaker C:Yeah, and.
Speaker C:And, you know, she's.
Speaker C:She's got it going for her that she does not string him along for months and months and months like Abby.
Speaker C:And that's where the difference was.
Speaker A:40Ft underground.
Speaker C:So, yeah, it was.
Speaker C:I was just gonna say the bar was on the ground floor of that.
Speaker B:Apartment building playing on the cold, hard.
Speaker C:Yeah, the bar.
Speaker C:Wait.
Speaker C:Oh, wait.
Speaker C:The bar was underneath the truck.
Speaker C:I did.
Speaker B:Yes, you did.
Speaker B:You did What?
Speaker C:I want to talk a little bit about how Ali calls Evan, because I don't think she says Buck.
Speaker C:I don't think she calls him his.
Speaker C:Calls him by name at all during this episode.
Speaker C:At least not that I caught.
Speaker C:I may be wrong.
Speaker A:That was one day.
Speaker A:One day of my life.
Speaker A:Evan.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, she does that.
Speaker A:No, I just checked the transcript.
Speaker A:I have it up.
Speaker C:Okay, perfect.
Speaker C:So it's interesting, because we know that everybody calls him Buck, and I think Maddie's the Only one that calls him Evan occasionally.
Speaker C:Not even that much right now.
Speaker C:So I was curious because, like, when they meet in the earthquake at the.
Speaker C:At the building, like, he introduces himself as Buck.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:So at what point?
Speaker C:And a lot of this is kind of just like me postulating and, like, posing some hypotheticals, but, like, at what point did they get to the spot?
Speaker C:Like, if they're still, like, so young in their relationship, when did they get to her calling him Evan?
Speaker C:Point and, like, is this supposed to illustrate how well she knows Buck?
Speaker C:Because we haven't seen that development.
Speaker C:So, like, I don't know how earned that feels.
Speaker C:Or is it something more to, like, contrast with Abby?
Speaker C:Because Abby never called Buck Evan Abby, I don't think even knew that his name was Evan.
Speaker C:So, like, in.
Speaker C:In comparison.
Speaker C:Contrast between Ally and Abby.
Speaker C:Abby may have understood the job because she was.
Speaker C:She's also a first responder, but she never quite understood.
Speaker C:And she always kind of, like, underestimated Buck.
Speaker C:So, like, that kind of, like, lack of closeness there, I kind of feel since Allie understands that Buck want, like, wants to go out immediately, go back out to the job, and she would never ask him to quit.
Speaker C:Like, there's.
Speaker C:There's a way that Ali sees Buck for who he is and who he wants to be, which is in itself kind of like two dimensional because his identity is so tied to being a firefighter and nothing else of him exists outside of that.
Speaker C:So, like, she does kind of see him in that way, but it's still.
Speaker C:She's seeing him in the way he's seeing himself, which is very two dimensional.
Speaker C:So is it like Ally calls him Evan because she understands him more, or is it just, like, to contrast with Abby?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:But I just think it's interesting because not only does she not call him Buck in this episode, but she doesn't call him by any name except in this moment where it is Evan.
Speaker C:How does that come to be?
Speaker A:I think it's just because one of two things she.
Speaker A:Well, it's either and like, and.
Speaker A:Or either.
Speaker A:Either.
Speaker A:I don't know, whatever.
Speaker A:She either is just, like, not a nickname person.
Speaker A:Or she just thought that this is like an on the job nickname.
Speaker A:Like, think about, like, okay, I like that idea.
Speaker A:Like, these kind of jobs, like, firefighter, military, like, sports teams.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, and then your.
Speaker A:Your, like, your guys or your bros, like, think about, like, frat houses, which is how she, like, yeah, knew.
Speaker A:He just knew that he just came from one.
Speaker A:So, like, she probably just thought that that was like.
Speaker C:So it's, it's in essence then it.
Speaker C:For.
Speaker C:For this idea, it's her further like divorcing herself from that aspect of his life.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because she's so like, removed from it because she doesn't know.
Speaker C:She's not a first responder.
Speaker C:I can, I can live with that.
Speaker C:I just think that's interesting and, and maybe like, because it just sounds kind of like.
Speaker A:It doesn't sound childish, but you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, Buck is not like a regular name or nickname you'd hear for someone.
Speaker A:So like, that's just what I would assume.
Speaker A:Like when TJ Just very quick.
Speaker A:When TJ and I started dating, like I met.
Speaker A:We met at work and he went by tj.
Speaker A:I learned that this was because there were so many Thomases and, and then there was already there was a Thomas, there was a Tom, and there was Tommy.
Speaker A:So he, he was like tj.
Speaker A:That's his first initial and his second initial.
Speaker A:So I only knew him by tj.
Speaker A:Like, and then I learned his name was Thomas and I was like, like, I'm never calling you that.
Speaker A:My entire family, all my friends call him tj.
Speaker A:I've never called him Tommy or Thomas.
Speaker A:I literally never will.
Speaker A:I've never had 15 years almost especially now.
Speaker A:But his, his family calls him Tom Tommy.
Speaker A:I don't think they ever call him Thomas, but you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, so that's just like how I got to know him.
Speaker A:But like, if he had a like, weird ass nickname and we didn't work together, I would probably assume that's not.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's not for you to call you that name.
Speaker A:That's like your bros to call you that name, basically.
Speaker C:But it is also kind of interesting because the only other person, the only other significant other love interest of Bucks that does call him Evan is Tommy.
Speaker C:Even though Tommy is in the first responder life, there's still like some sort of delineation there that I think Buck is either searching out or, or trying to like, I, I think he's trying to like, compartmentalize certain things.
Speaker C:So maybe that's why he.
Speaker C:He allows that for, for both and.
Speaker C:And for.
Speaker C:For this case with Ally, it's compartmentalizing because she doesn't like, live in the first responding sphere.
Speaker C:And for Tommy, it may be because it's like the, the queer relationship.
Speaker A:Flash forward.
Speaker A:Flash forward a little bit.
Speaker A:Just think about the meaning of like in Buck begins.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:When it's Colum Buck.
Speaker A:That's what people who know him call him.
Speaker A:So it might just be as simple as that, as, like, the writers making delineations there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Maybe she doesn't know him at all.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But I feel.
Speaker C:Yeah, I just felt like that was counter to, like, what she was providing in that.
Speaker C:With.
Speaker C:With that she knows that he was going to go out there and.
Speaker C:And get back to it.
Speaker C:So just something like a thought experiment.
Speaker C:Thank you for indulging me in that.
Speaker C:I appreciate it.
Speaker A:Slow burn.
Speaker C:It's time.
Speaker A: It's: Speaker A:Do you know where your gays are?
Speaker C:The firehouse.
Speaker C:Okay, I'm just gonna go down a list.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We gotta.
Speaker A:I think this is pretty much in order, too, but, like, we can jump around if we need to.
Speaker A:So sell.
Speaker A:You want to do the first one?
Speaker C:Do the honors.
Speaker A:You want to start the first one?
Speaker A:Drum roll.
Speaker C:Whatever one you want.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So our first clue of the day.
Speaker B:Breadcrumb, closet space.
Speaker B:So, okay.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so insane.
Speaker B:Work with.
Speaker B:With just the introduction of.
Speaker B:Of closet space in regards to Buck.
Speaker B:So, you know, like, Buck and Ally are, you know, looking at the loft, and right before we cut to our next.
Speaker B:Our next scene, she ends the scene with her line being, okay, let's talk about closet space.
Speaker A:She's, like, glommed on to book, and then she's.
Speaker A:She's like.
Speaker A:Then she angles her head towards the real estate agent and is whispering.
Speaker A:He's like, let's talk about closet space.
Speaker A:Because it's a secret.
Speaker A:Because he doesn't know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:It's kind of like, hey, you know, if we flash forward to a scene and season seven, Tim, we see you crazy.
Speaker A:We know what you're doing.
Speaker B:Particularly, like, the.
Speaker B:The restaurant scene, the date with Tommy.
Speaker B:And then Eddie and his big, big old mouth shows up, and, you know, he's talking about how Marisol is moving in.
Speaker B:And then, like, Eddie says something along the lines of, yeah, you can't have enough to.
Speaker B:No, you can't have enough closet space.
Speaker B:Or something like that.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:No, wait, no, I'm confused.
Speaker C:Tommy says that Bonnie's the one who's in closet space.
Speaker B:Okay, so I don't remember what Eddie said.
Speaker B:Honestly, I just know that.
Speaker A:Oh, I.
Speaker A:I think I have it in our plot device.
Speaker A:Notes.
Speaker A:Please hold.
Speaker C:Which should also be out at this point.
Speaker A:Hey.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Unreal.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:For references, I can now look at our own notes.
Speaker C:Isn't this great?
Speaker A:Look at us building up an archive here.
Speaker C:So proud of us.
Speaker A:Eddie says, guess you can never have enough closet space.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:And Tommy goes, ain't that the truth?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Effin So I was right.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Because it's wild that Eddie's the one that says it too.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Crazy work, Timothy.
Speaker B:Crazy work.
Speaker C:Because this is written by him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Just the act of making her whisper that, like, crazy work.
Speaker B:And then what's also crazier is the editing, because I know it doesn't really fit in here, but I'm just gonna talk the talk into the beats of what made me realize this whole thing was just crazy.
Speaker B:So before the.
Speaker B:The real estate before, you know, looking into the loft and seeing, you know, the loft and considering it, the scene before that is the.
Speaker B:The Roy and Maude scene, which was like that whole, like, foreshadow parallel to the Buck in the alley situation.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then we're going into.
Speaker B:Let's talk about closet space.
Speaker B:Right into the call with the.
Speaker B:With the bot fly and all of the, you know, the chat going off saying, oh, my God, Buck and Eddie are so cute together.
Speaker B:And just crazy work.
Speaker B:How.
Speaker B:Like that.
Speaker B:That whole sequence.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Just like the.
Speaker C:The way they decided to, like, edit it together and like, this goes to.
Speaker C:This goes to.
Speaker C:That is fantastically wild.
Speaker C:Can we talk about that, that live stream for a second?
Speaker C:Because that is as.
Speaker C:As Tim said in that article, that was a shout out to the Twitterverse.
Speaker C:I love.
Speaker C:I love anytime we break a fourth wall.
Speaker C:Big, big fan.
Speaker C:Big fan.
Speaker C:This was uncalled for.
Speaker C:There's also.
Speaker A:You've got.
Speaker A:You've got a bunch of thirsting first, right?
Speaker A:You've got.
Speaker A:I took screenshots.
Speaker C:You've got.
Speaker A:Those guys are cute.
Speaker A:And then you've got.
Speaker A:Hello, Mr.
Speaker A:Firefighter.
Speaker A:Oh, I love the one Buck looking at the maggot.
Speaker C:I love the one where it's like, they could put me in a sling any day.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then we have LA's finest.
Speaker A:And then we have those two could put me in a sling any day.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, those two are so cute together.
Speaker A:They should totally be a couple.
Speaker A:Why is the one who said, oh, my God, those two are so cute together.
Speaker A:Kanye West.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know who came up with these usernames.
Speaker C:But, like, also.
Speaker C:Also these people just like RPFING on main.
Speaker B:Like, RPF was legalized in the 911 universe.
Speaker B:You had it here.
Speaker A:Actually, Actually, Tim did my near legal.
Speaker C:It's his law.
Speaker C:Like, there's another.
Speaker C:There's another fic on AO3.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:I think a lot of people know it.
Speaker C:It's called those Two Firefighters, but it's kind of like one of those epistolary fics where.
Speaker C:Where it's kind of is Buck and Eddie have gained a following online.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So now people recognize them from that live stream and you see like, Reddit little them.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker C:Oh, yes, Reddit.
Speaker C:Reddit loves them.
Speaker C:And so this pick is amazing.
Speaker C:And you kind of just see, like, little, like, vignettes of people reacting to seeing them, like on a call or like they had an emergency and it was them, like, trying to figure out.
Speaker A:If they're together or not.
Speaker C:Amazing fic.
Speaker C:One of the first ones I ever read in 91 1.
Speaker A:Same.
Speaker C:And it was.
Speaker C:It's so good.
Speaker C:So it's basically the people on the chat from their perspective.
Speaker C:Another, like, outside perspective kind of thing.
Speaker C:But, like.
Speaker C:But just absolutely crazy to.
Speaker C:To go from, like, thirsting to shipping so fast.
Speaker C:And also, like, what a specific call out to the Twitterverse.
Speaker C:As.
Speaker C:As Mr.
Speaker C:Minier said, like, this.
Speaker C:This is very pointed.
Speaker C:This is very specific.
Speaker C:This is giving Blair the elf, like, with the fountain in the background, like.
Speaker C:And this is all his doing.
Speaker C:He's doing.
Speaker C:He's doing this to us on purpose.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Oh, you're at us for Phil.
Speaker A:In which order do those scenes appear?
Speaker A:The closet space.
Speaker A:And that those two should be together.
Speaker C:The closet space was before the.
Speaker B:Those.
Speaker B:What do you mean?
Speaker C:Yeah, because the bot fly happens after they tour the loft with Ally and the influencer is recording in her room right in front of her closet.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna double check.
Speaker C:It is I just.
Speaker A:Because I'm.
Speaker C:I think she's right.
Speaker C:Yeah, it is.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:Because I wrote it down that way.
Speaker C:It's the loft with the closet space.
Speaker C:And then the next time we.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah, okay.
Speaker A:It literally goes right from there.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Let's talk closet space being the end of that scene.
Speaker A:The end of that scene.
Speaker A:That's the last thing that's said and seen and going straight to the influencer in front of her open closet.
Speaker C:Open closet.
Speaker C:Specifically.
Speaker A:Open closet.
Speaker C:Open closet.
Speaker A:And putting.
Speaker A:Those two should totally be a couple.
Speaker A:They're so cute together.
Speaker A:On the.
Speaker B:Tim, it gets worse.
Speaker C:Hold on.
Speaker C:Buck and Eddie are the only ones that show up in the live stream on camera in front of that open closet.
Speaker A:He really said these are closet cases.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:God, that was more than I think we even picked up on when we were watching this episode.
Speaker A:I love this section, though.
Speaker A:I love this section because the shit always happens.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:It just snowballs.
Speaker A:Yeah, it just snowballs in the best.
Speaker B:Way I know we'll revisit this in season four, but this is, like, more food for thought about that one theory that they were supposed to be canon in season four or something, or season five or whatever.
Speaker C:I think it's more than a theory.
Speaker C:I think it's almost confirmed.
Speaker A:Buck was supposed to have his feelings realization in season four.
Speaker A:I think that's what was supposed to happen in my head.
Speaker A:What was supposed to happen is kind of like what we're doing now.
Speaker A:So it was like, Buck feelings realization.
Speaker C:For gay yeti, queer arc after breakup with Anna.
Speaker A:Because that was so clearly.
Speaker A:And then them getting together in six.
Speaker A:Like, after the.
Speaker A:Like, that's what should have happened anyway.
Speaker C:But, yes, extenuating circumstances.
Speaker A:But that's what would have started the canon train.
Speaker A:So I was explaining this to Ali Dominguez on TikTok, if y'all don't follow her.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, she is great.
Speaker A:She made a video about, like, why do people keep saying Buddy was supposed to go canon in season four?
Speaker A:Because coming from any other fandom, saying, like, canon means, like, they hook up there together.
Speaker A:Endgame by the canon.
Speaker A:They're canon.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But I really think this fandom is, like, no.
Speaker A:Any part of the.
Speaker A:Any part of the.
Speaker A:Like, the queer equation have one thing without the other.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Because it.
Speaker C:It has to happen in steps because.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Because of the way the characters were introduced.
Speaker C:Not in not being queer.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:So you have to do, like, step one, make gay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I explained the four, five, six theory, and I'm like, that's what we're doing right now with I think, seven, eight, nine.
Speaker C:So, yes, I.
Speaker C:I agree.
Speaker C:Gosh.
Speaker C:Next one, I want to talk about.
Speaker A:The most murderous case of gay face I think maybe we ever see on Eddie Diaz.
Speaker C:The most.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Murderous.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I think cell block 911 is.
Speaker A:I'm talking gay.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like, not like, I am gay.
Speaker A:I'm murderous.
Speaker A:No, like, gay, gay love, murderers.
Speaker C:It all comes back to murder husbands.
Speaker A:It'll always come back to this.
Speaker A:Always end here.
Speaker A:Shut up.
Speaker A:Let me tell you about my feels for real.
Speaker A:But yeah, he.
Speaker A:That look, bro, because everyone's there.
Speaker A:Everyone's reacting to everything that's happening.
Speaker A:You get to see everyone's faces for what's for the accident itself.
Speaker A:How, like, they can't get help to him.
Speaker A:How then he asks for the captain, and then Chimney's there, and then how Bobby goes out, and then they're, like, talking about how they need to get to Buck and how he's like, they need to get to the running out of time.
Speaker A:You keep seeing all of their reactions, right.
Speaker A:And they look really worried.
Speaker A:But then when Freddie says, oh, oh, he's collateral damage about Buck, they pan back over.
Speaker A:They do to the.
Speaker A:To the trio.
Speaker A:And, like, he looks like he's literally about to set someone on fire with his mind.
Speaker A:Like, if looks could kill, he would have been dead.
Speaker C:Eddie did not like hearing Buck being collateral damage at all.
Speaker C:I mean, to be fair, I think if any one of them were in that situation, they wouldn't like it.
Speaker C:But, like, it's specifically because that face.
Speaker C:Because Buck is Eddie's partner and he can't have his back right now.
Speaker A:No, but I'm just saying, like, you swap out someone else in that position, and they're calling one of his other teammates collateral damage.
Speaker A:Oh, he'd be angry, but he wouldn't.
Speaker A:I don't think he'd be that.
Speaker A:I'm about to light a up angry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:Eddie kind of looked like he was so close to just, like, running in there, too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think the only thing that probably stopped him was Christopher.
Speaker C:Think of Christopher.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because we see this with Eddie, we're like.
Speaker A:When it comes to, like, being there for his teammates when they're in danger, he's very logical and can think things through when it's anyone but Buck, but when it's Buck, it's.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Just, like, that's when he runs into action.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And since he can't do that here, it's kill you with my mind.
Speaker C:Yeah, Because.
Speaker C:Because we kind of.
Speaker C:I kill you with my mind.
Speaker C:Because we saw something.
Speaker C:We saw that kind of similarly.
Speaker C:It's not exactly the same, but similarly in.
Speaker C:In episode 14, Broken, when Buck falls off the.
Speaker C:The ladder trying to get to the boy in the house, and Buck can't do it, so Eddie immediately, like, has Eddie's or has Buck's back and does his little Spider man routine up the upper to the roof of the house.
Speaker C:So, yeah, it really is.
Speaker C:Like, Eddie doesn't.
Speaker C:He doesn't do a lot of thinking when it comes to Buck.
Speaker C:It's almost like it's instinctual.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker A:So then when he's finally able to get to Buck, what's he doing?
Speaker C:He holding his hand.
Speaker A:They holding hands.
Speaker B:Holding hands.
Speaker C:He's all.
Speaker C:Buck is also holding hen's hand.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:Oh, I had this thought earlier when I was rewatching.
Speaker C:It's not exactly the same, but, like, does your ship have two instances where someone is trying to pull one from out from under an engine.
Speaker C:And the next time the.
Speaker C:The opposite.
Speaker C:Pulling the other one under the engine.
Speaker C:Just saying.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker C:Because Eddie and Hen are grabbing onto Buck to pull him out.
Speaker C:So they're not actively lifting the truck.
Speaker C:They are ready to pull Buck out when he's able to get free.
Speaker C:And then in season four, what does Buck do but the exact like mirror of it but bringing Eddie to safety underneath the truck.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker C:I love thinking about stuff like that.
Speaker C:It hurts me so much.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker B:I hope you you that none of your pillows are cold tonight.
Speaker C:Why would you say that to me?
Speaker B:Cuz that was so terrible.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker C:That's the meanest thing you've ever said to me.
Speaker B:Do you see the distress that you put me in hand through just now?
Speaker A:I couldn't even look at you.
Speaker A:I was really angry.
Speaker C:I'm sorry to bring that to your att, but I did have that thought earlier and it's not like the.
Speaker A:I was thinking.
Speaker A:I was thinking of something slightly cuter, which is that they started the season and ended the season touching hands.
Speaker C:Oh, that's much cuter than my thing.
Speaker C:So sorry.
Speaker B:I'm here for the angst though.
Speaker B:I said I'm here for.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm here for the angst.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean I, I just had that.
Speaker C:I just thought of that earlier and this wouldn't have happened if I wasn't doing re watching it before we recorded.
Speaker C:But I was just like, oh no.
Speaker C:Oh no, no.
Speaker C:Like it's not.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker C:It's not like a one to one same thing, but the fact that it's the opposite because it's the opposite person as well and the opposite direction.
Speaker C:I was like, oh no.
Speaker A:It's almost like I need to do a.
Speaker A:A watch through that's only dedicated for each episode.
Speaker A:That's only dedicated to finding the gay.
Speaker C:Things which we probably will do whenever we're done with the show.
Speaker C:So in like five years.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Of the podcast, like once we've gone through all of it, then we can start again.
Speaker C:Only looking for the gay stuff.
Speaker A:Only the gay.
Speaker C:Only the gay stuff.
Speaker C:Because now we've shown you that we can look at all of it at this point.
Speaker A:We've shown you we can be objective, an equal opportunity.
Speaker C:So now that We've earned our PhD.
Speaker A:Only here to talk about gay people.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:It's like, this is.
Speaker C:I need a gay person.
Speaker C:I need to talk to a gay person right now.
Speaker C:I really wanted that in there.
Speaker A:Oliver Stark, probably.
Speaker C:Oh, speech Bubble.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Him saying that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Him.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Not me calling him a gay person.
Speaker A:Him in any interview with someone.
Speaker C:Him on Pink Nude.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:That man was so relieved.
Speaker C:Finally, he's like, you get it.
Speaker A:I don't have to explain bisexuality.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:That man is going through it.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Flashbacks to that one interview.
Speaker A:He is fighting for bisexual rights.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyway, back on track.
Speaker A:When Eddie and Hen finally pull Buck out from under the ladder truck, and they finally are, like, getting him, you know, onto a stretcher to.
Speaker A:To be taken to the hospital.
Speaker A:You hear everyone being like, hold on, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:And then Eddie specifically says, hang in there, buddy.
Speaker C:So, I mean, I don't think they had created the ship name yet.
Speaker B:I was gonna ask, when did they create the ship name?
Speaker A:We're just gonna call this the birthplace.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Wait, begins.
Speaker C:When was that post?
Speaker C:I mean, there.
Speaker C:So there's a picture on Instagram of Oliver and Ryan, like, in their trailers or something, and they're both wearing, like, gray shirts.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And the 911 on Fox.
Speaker C:Maybe it's still.
Speaker C:Is it still there?
Speaker C:The 911 on Fox Instagram was like, Team Buck or Team Eddie.
Speaker C:And then Ryan commented was like, pause.
Speaker C:If we're calling this anything, it's Team Buddy all day, every day.
Speaker B:So it's an old picture, though, right?
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker C:Yeah, but I don't know when that post was posted.
Speaker C:So, yeah, hang in there, buddy.
Speaker C:As also the ship name as decided upon by the people who play the characters that are being shipped.
Speaker B:See?
Speaker C:Crazy work.
Speaker C:Okay, can we talk about the scene where Bobby comes back to the station after being reinstated?
Speaker C:Because, boy, did it seem similar to something we've seen at the beginning of this season.
Speaker C:Maybe by, I don't know, introducing a certain character in the glass locker room.
Speaker C:Their glass closet, if you will.
Speaker C:But that doesn't take place in this episode.
Speaker C:So this is one of those things that I went back to 201 to kind of like, look shot for shot, and it's not exactly like, shot for shot the same, but it is very similar.
Speaker C:Similar in the movement of the camera.
Speaker C:And I think Brad Bucher directed both of these.
Speaker C:I'm pretty sure he did the first one.
Speaker A:The first odds are that he directed it.
Speaker C:It's a season opener.
Speaker C:No, he didn't.
Speaker C:It was Gwyneth Hoarder, Payton Bradley.
Speaker C:Bucher directed 2 and 3 because it was the big right emergency.
Speaker C:Okay, so not the same director, but very similar in style.
Speaker C:He probably did go back and Reference it because it's.
Speaker C:It's very close.
Speaker C:Because in 201, we're following Bobby entering the engine, entering the station.
Speaker C:In this episode, we're following Eddie entering the station, which we couldn't do in 201.
Speaker C:They're both Bobby and Eddie, which is also interesting that they have.
Speaker C:They choose them because they are parallel characters.
Speaker C:So they're greeting either Bobby's greeting Hen, Eddie's greeting chimney.
Speaker C:And then the other ones come in, come into play.
Speaker C:And we see this, like, circular.
Speaker C:This kind of, like, shot in the round where the camera keeps circling all of them as they're talking.
Speaker C:And, you know, they're saying welcome back.
Speaker C:And in.
Speaker C:In both episodes and just kind of, like, looking just, like, going around as they're having this conversation or, like, panning to each of them.
Speaker C:Hen is in yellow in both scenes.
Speaker C:It's kind of an interesting wardrobe choice there, too.
Speaker C:I thought it at.
Speaker C:At first it was the same yellow jacket, but it's not that she wears in 201.
Speaker C:It's just a yellow shirt.
Speaker C:But it's, like, very similar in.
Speaker C:In shade.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:This whole scene is very much paralleling Eddie's introduction.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But there's one thing missing because Buck is not there.
Speaker C:So, you know, Hen is talking about how, you know, everything's getting back to the way it should be.
Speaker C:And as we mentioned earlier, Eddie is the one, the only one to say, well, almost, yeah, Buck isn't there.
Speaker A:And he looks very, like, kind of, like, sombre, bearish, like, contemplative.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like everyone else is, like, happy, happy because.
Speaker C:Because Bobby's back.
Speaker C:So it's like, everything is as it should be.
Speaker C:But for Eddie, because Buck is his direct partner, it's not back to where it should be.
Speaker C:And I think that really is a beautiful parallel to the 2:201.
Speaker C:Because, you know, on the other hand, we had Buck be like, who is this intruder coming in to steal my job, essentially?
Speaker C:And it's just such, like, a complete mirror, like, flip of reactions and flip of circumstances as well, because you have Buck and Eddie who don't know each other yet.
Speaker C:And Buck is feeling very threatened, very insecure in his job.
Speaker C:And then you have Eddie in218 that is like, this is my partner.
Speaker C:It doesn't feel right without him.
Speaker C:Like, this is the friendship.
Speaker C:This is the relationship that they have built across these 18 episodes.
Speaker C:And it's just like, what a cool way to parallel that.
Speaker C:And it also, I think, really shows how intrinsic Buck is to the 118 as that family.
Speaker C:So I think it's a really interesting parallel for this to be in the season finale.
Speaker C:To parallel so.
Speaker C:So similarly to 201 and how buck and Eddie as.
Speaker C:As a partnership and has grown.
Speaker A:I also think it's interesting that Eddie says things are like.
Speaker A:He's basically saying things are almost getting back to how they're supposed to be.
Speaker A:And then we immediately cut to the Buck and Ally breakup.
Speaker A:I thought that was hilarious.
Speaker B:The cutting in this episode is just insane.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you know, Tim is closet space.
Speaker A:Those two are so cute.
Speaker A:They should be a couple.
Speaker A:Things are getting back to the way they're supposed to be.
Speaker A:Almost Buck single again.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And then you also have.
Speaker B:And then just quickly you also have.
Speaker A:This is more important.
Speaker B:You know, the.
Speaker B:With Maddie and Buck cutting to Eddie's ceremony.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Crazy work.
Speaker A:Because being there for Eddie is more important than his health.
Speaker A:Okay, someone's down bad.
Speaker B:Crying at the.
Speaker B:Well, he does cry at the gym, actually.
Speaker C:And we know that Tim is very hands on in post production.
Speaker C:Like, he helps a lot with the final edits.
Speaker C:And because Tim works with Brad all the time.
Speaker C:Like, you can just imagine they were.
Speaker C:They were working on this edit together and they.
Speaker A:So cahoots.
Speaker C:They are in cahoots.
Speaker A:You're in gay cahoots.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So whether it was Brad, whether it was Tim, whether it was any combination of the two of them together in post production with editing and how they edited this episode together going from one scene to another and.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker A:Wild.
Speaker C:That's wild.
Speaker A:I have two things really quick that I want to talk about from like the monologue at the end, and it's just because of like, what the monologue is saying and the music that's playing when we see our first ever Buck and Eddie hug.
Speaker C:Aww.
Speaker A:It's our first one, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Kind of a big moment because they don't hug very often.
Speaker A:And it's the first one on the show.
Speaker A:What is playing is the Decemberist song All My Life.
Speaker A:And the whole song is for once in my life, can something.
Speaker A:Can something go right?
Speaker C:Stop.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That's the song.
Speaker A:So that's the song that's playing in the background while their first hug happens.
Speaker A:And what is Athena saying at the exact moment that they hug each other?
Speaker A:We choose each other.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:We choose each other.
Speaker A:That's a.
Speaker A:That's an editing choice.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:And then she says, we choose each other.
Speaker A:We choose friendship and family completely.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:Their hug is not on screen anymore.
Speaker A:When friendship and family is said.
Speaker A:I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:Almost like they are more than friends and family.
Speaker B:It's giving.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love you.
Speaker B:I love all of you.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:How many.
Speaker B:How many supernatural references do we do today?
Speaker A:That's the only.
Speaker A:Well, wait, no, I mean, I guess we talked about Demon Dan.
Speaker B:I think it's like three.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Let us know in the comments below.
Speaker C:Yeah, those are definite editing choices.
Speaker C:When you're putting a song over something like that, those are choices.
Speaker C:And depending on what cuts you want to make, to have those, to have it be played over, to have who.
Speaker A:You choose to be.
Speaker A:Because you see everyone.
Speaker A:You see everyone.
Speaker A:Like, pan to during the.
Speaker C:There are shots of everyone.
Speaker B:Everyone is here.
Speaker A:But everyone's featured.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But you have a whole monologue.
Speaker A:And normally when they do these monolog dogs, they're choosing to show during what's being said.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So very conscious choices in an episode that's all about choice.
Speaker A:This life we choose.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Production is making a lot of very specific choices for an episode that is all about choosing things with active intent.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:And then I think one of the last things we'll talk about is we mentioned briefly during our maybe slight diatribe about Eddie and his family, about how Eddie says to his dad, I chose this life for a reason.
Speaker C:And Ramon says, well, you can choose another one.
Speaker C:And that has always read to me as just like a very.
Speaker C:I didn't choose to be this way, will choose to be another way.
Speaker C:Very, like, air of homophobia about it.
Speaker A:That is a very.
Speaker A:Actually that is a very, like, religious, like, common thing.
Speaker A:Because they.
Speaker A:They think it's a choice.
Speaker A:Yeah, they think that being gay is a choice.
Speaker C:So I've always read that as just like Ramon and Helena just being like, well, if you can choose another life in just talking about his vocation and location as a firefighter, you can either choose to be a firefighter in another place or you can choose to have a different job.
Speaker C:Tell me how you cannot take that a little further.
Speaker C:And just being like, well, if Eddie, as we choose to interpret in so much of this and because there is evidence abound that can, like, that's so easily, like, translated that kind of.
Speaker C:That verbiage, that conversation into, well, you.
Speaker C:You can choose to not be gay.
Speaker C:You can choose to not be, you know, any one of the, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's like that.
Speaker C:So that has always been very queer coded.
Speaker A:I'm gonna be so insufferable if, when we get his, like, his like, coming out gay realization, whatever, if we get some sort of Flashback to him being told something like this, like, by his dad or, like, by the church or something.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because I've always thought that, like, something was said to him, like, whether it was because they noticed something about him or because it was, like, just a sermon or, like, something that his dad maybe said about someone else who, you know, was gay.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Where it's, like.
Speaker C:Where it, like, wouldn't have been as bad because it's not their family, but the moment it's part of their family, then it's the worst thing ever.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And just also the way that Eddie insists, like, I chose this life for a reason, is also giving very much like a.
Speaker C:This is who I am.
Speaker C:I can't change that sort of thing.
Speaker C:Even though in this case, he is actively choosing to be a firefighter in la.
Speaker C:But, you know, again, it can so easily translate.
Speaker A:I can be read as I'm choosing to live authentically.
Speaker C:Exactly right.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It's about his authenticity.
Speaker C:And also, like, how does he not hear this?
Speaker C:Oh, oh.
Speaker C:How does he not hear the words that are coming out of his mouth?
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's that repressed.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's also just dealing with the Shannon stuff right now.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:You can see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I didn't even catch that.
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker C:And I think there was just one more thing that I really.
Speaker C:So we don't end on, like, as much of a downer, maybe.
Speaker C:I don't know, just one very brief thing.
Speaker C:So when we talked a little bit about how Buck in the hospital room, when he wakes up and.
Speaker C:And Allie's there, and he.
Speaker C:And he's like, you're here.
Speaker C:And that just kind of reminded me a little bit of in the last episode when Shannon had her accident and Eddie gets to her and she's like, are you here?
Speaker C:Like, are you really here?
Speaker C:That kind of thing.
Speaker C:And then that kind of made me think of looking forward in season four with the shooting, once Buck gets Eddie into the fire truck, and Eddie's like, are you hurt?
Speaker C:So, I don't know exactly.
Speaker C:I just felt like those needed to, like, be.
Speaker A:No, I mean, it's like, it's all while.
Speaker A:While injured.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And the injured party is talking to the significant other who isn't.
Speaker A:Yeah, the significant other who isn't injured.
Speaker C:It's interesting because with Buck to Allie and Shannon to Eddie, it's like, are you here?
Speaker C:Are you actually here?
Speaker C:Where it's more concerned about, like, you know, are you here for me?
Speaker C:Sort of thing.
Speaker C:Like, but with Eddie, it's so unconcerned with himself.
Speaker C:It's like, are you hurt?
Speaker A:Actively bleeding out?
Speaker A:Are you hurt?
Speaker C:Eddie's not even like, are you here?
Speaker C:Because I mean, he knew Buck was there in the first place.
Speaker C:But it was the, it's the are you hurt?
Speaker C:And I feel like that's these are all three of these are very similar.
Speaker C:But the are you hurt?
Speaker C:Is a little bit different.
Speaker C:But it is also interesting that we get one for each of them.
Speaker C:So, like, Buck says it, Shannon says it, Eddie says it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that is interesting.
Speaker C:So I don't know, I just felt like there was connective tissue there.
Speaker C:I love a long slow burn segment.
Speaker C:I feel like we haven't had one this long in, in a while.
Speaker A:It's been a minute.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think that does it.
Speaker C:I'm excited to dive into some season arc things for the for the season two wrap.
Speaker C:So that will be exciting.
Speaker C:And then we'll be getting into even more exciting getting into season three.
Speaker B:Can't wait to close season two out.
Speaker A:Tsunami arc.
Speaker C:We have some fun things planned for that.
Speaker C:We have some, maybe some guests if it all works out.
Speaker C:We have friends.
Speaker C:We definitely have friends.
Speaker C:I love Crazy Ex Girlfriend, man.
Speaker C:That is one of the best, one of the best shows.
Speaker A:It's really good.
Speaker C:Also has the best bisexual song.
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