Wait for Me to Come Home (3x03: The Searchers)
Holdin’ Buck’s shoulder ‘til their eyes meet, they won’t ever be alone.
This week Han, Cil, Rachel, and guest star Meg keep our love for Season 3, Episode 3 of 9-1-1, “The Searchers” in a photograph buried deep within our souls. We explore how the 118 finds their makeshift family amidst the chaos and navigate the tumultuous waters of Buck's psyche as he contends with his fears and perceived failures during this final installment of the tsunami crisis.
Buck's vulnerability shines through as he pushes himself to the brink, embodying the very definition of tenacity, even while doubting his own worth. We discuss Buck’s palpable panic and fear of failing his loved ones, and how he grapples with the burden of responsibility. Throughout these moments, Buck's fierce love for Christopher shines through as he tirelessly follows every sign to find him, showcasing the lengths to which a parental figure will go to protect their child.
Buck's frantic search for Christopher becomes a metaphor for his own quest for validation and acceptance, intertwining the concepts of searching for family and belonging.
The emotional stakes rise (like the tide) as Buck and Eddie's relationship evolves against the backdrop of the unimaginable. We examine Eddie’s gentleness and strength as he gives Buck the space to tell him what happened to Christopher without expressing any anger or blame.
We take a microscope to the final scene of the episode for a combined Slow Burn and Scene Dissection. Discussing everything from Eddie's playful jabs trying to put Buck at ease to the meaningful dialogue with intense eye contact and shoulder touch. This balance between humor and heart is a hallmark of their relationship and Eddie’s unwavering faith in Buck reminds us that even in our darkest moments, the bonds we forge can guide us like a lighthouse in a storm.
Join us at Buck’s kitchen table as we wait for Eddie and Christopher to come home.
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Chapters
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:00:52) Welcome to Dispatch
(00:03:43) General Thoughts & Special Guest Star Meg
(00:17:54) Jaws of Life - Deep Dive
(00:27:06) Red String Corner
(00:41:10) Flashover - Themes
(00:46:48) Who’s Cookin’? - The 118 and Athena
(01:06:20) Eddie
(01:37:52) Buck
(01:47:22) Buddie Meeting at Field Hospital & Maddie Call
(01:57:33) The Morning After in Buck’s Loft
(02:03:09) Where’s the Slow Burn - Eddie Dropping Chris at Buck’s
(02:04:00) Photograph - Gay Needledrop
(02:10:45) Eddie “Sees” Buck
(02:37:12) Full Circle Paralleling to 8b
(02:55:00) Season 8 Finale Predictions (Pre-Contagion Arc)
(02:57:05) Queer Eddie Headcanons / Wishlists
(03:05:27) Take a Buddie With You & Outro
Transcript
This week we discuss Buck's fears and perceived failures.
Speaker B:How Eddie is a brat tamer, Buck.
Speaker C:And Eddie's gayest scene yet, and how.
Speaker D:They find the family they're searching for.
Speaker B:Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?
Speaker C:A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.
Speaker A:This is The Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DMed each other enough character dissertations, earn a PhD in media literacy.
Speaker B:I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.
Speaker C:I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.
Speaker A:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
Speaker B:With our powers combined, no stone is.
Speaker A:Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.
Speaker C:Hey, Alexa.
Speaker C:Play.
Speaker C:Photograph by Ed Sheeran.
Speaker A:Photograph by Ed Sheeran of Priscilla's Spotify.
Speaker A:So, like, soothing.
Speaker D:I didn't say there are a lot.
Speaker B:Of ways to get lost at sea.
Speaker A:To be seen.
Speaker C:Alexa, stop.
Speaker A:We had to do it.
Speaker B:That too.
Speaker B:I know you did.
Speaker C:Welcome to Dispatch.
Speaker C:What's on call this week?
Speaker B:This week we are talking about season three, episode three the Searchers, written by David Fury and directed by Chad Lowe.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker A:So as this is the third part of the tsunami arc, the main emergency is tsunami or the aftermath of tsunami.
Speaker A:But for the calls of the week, we have till divorce do we part, where a couple hop on the Ferris wheel at the pier to sign divorce papers, but the husband hits his neck as the first wave hits and dangerously jostles the ferris wheel.
Speaker A:We have I am the Frogman Cuckoo Cachoo, where amateur drone pilot Charlie spots a man stranded on top of a palm tree who may have otherwise gone unnoticed.
Speaker A:And Maddie utilizes her new resource as her eyes in the sky to check on the Ocean Plaza Apartments, where there's a place on Ocean Avenue where.
Speaker A:Where I used to sit and talk gibberish with you.
Speaker A:Please forgive me.
Speaker B:I feel like that just aged us.
Speaker C:And me.
Speaker A:So be it.
Speaker A:Alerted through a call from a concerned mom in Wisconsin about her daughter, the only building in the area not requesting any emergency assistance turns to have an acute carbon monoxide leak, causing the residents to pass out and speak gibberish.
Speaker A:And then the last one, which is kind of like a combo, we have Raiders of the Lost Sparks Slash Arm today, Gone tomorrow.
Speaker A:Where after, after Athena crosses paths with looters saving abandoned pets, she stumbles upon the missing Captain of the 136, Ronnie Cooper, with his arm pinned beneath debris.
Speaker B:I'm glad you like that.
Speaker B:One for our listeners.
Speaker B:She used air quotes for every single part of that.
Speaker B:If you couldn't hear the air quotes.
Speaker A:The looters saving abandoned.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then just generally buck search for Christopher, which is what it says on the tin.
Speaker A:So we have not only a special guest, our first guest, but our first returning guest.
Speaker A:Welcome back to Meg.
Speaker D:Hi.
Speaker D:Thank you for having me Again.
Speaker D:As if I didn't, like, browbeat you guys into letting me talk about my Favorite arc on 91 1.
Speaker B:I think you would have actually disowned me if I did this episode without you.
Speaker D:I mean, I'm willing to forgive the first two episodes without me.
Speaker A:I'm just glad we didn't scare you away the first time, so.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Oh, good luck trying to scare me away.
Speaker D:Hannah's been trying for a decade, and it's just not worked.
Speaker B:I haven't been trying.
Speaker B:I just know it's not possible because we're like, I want to say 80%.
Speaker D:The same person or just two barnacles clinging to each other.
Speaker A:No, I love it.
Speaker D:In a totally platonic way.
Speaker B:In an actual platonic way.
Speaker D:In a non Buck Eddie way.
Speaker D:A platonic way.
Speaker A:You are the barnacles on the Santa Monica Pier.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:So we're so excited to have Meg back, and we're so excited to talk about maybe the Buddiest episode we have done yet.
Speaker A:So far.
Speaker B:So far.
Speaker B:So far.
Speaker D:It really only gets worse.
Speaker B:I think in our rewatch, it is.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think the only one that, like, from.
Speaker B:From the current season that would compete would be which current club.
Speaker B:Our current.
Speaker B:Current season airing right now.
Speaker B:Season eight.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I don't know if you meant current season, like in the rewatch or current season that's airing on TV One in.
Speaker B: Real time in: Speaker B: In March: Speaker B:I wasn't sure either.
Speaker D:I was like, it's only three episodes in, guys.
Speaker A:We're like, no, we're watching season eight.
Speaker A:We're recording season three, but we're putting out.
Speaker B:We're also doing.
Speaker B:We're doing.
Speaker B:We're also doing season eight specials.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's what I meant.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Like, the special that includes.
Speaker B:The one that includes.
Speaker A:That was episodes four through six.
Speaker B:Four.
Speaker B:Six.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That one might also be one of our most heavy buddy episodes, but I don't know.
Speaker B:This one might outdo it.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:And just fair warning, this is just gonna be mostly a buddy episode that's not our fault.
Speaker C:It really isn't current events.
Speaker C:They blame current events.
Speaker B:It's not Even current events.
Speaker D:It's just we didn't write the show.
Speaker B:We did.
Speaker A:No, we're just reporting the news.
Speaker D:We didn't act like these two yahoos.
Speaker D:Yahooing.
Speaker D:We're merely observers.
Speaker A:Would you say we're searching searching or.
Speaker B:Buddy searchers searching for.
Speaker D:Searching for hetero explanations for anything that happens between these two men?
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not our fault.
Speaker A:We just.
Speaker A:We report on the character arcs and it just so happens that we see us gay.
Speaker A:Like, there was not a lot of character arc.
Speaker B:No, especially.
Speaker A:Especially because, like, this is the culmination of the big emergency thing.
Speaker A:So there's not as much like character driven action in like the opening episodes of the 911 seasons as there are.
Speaker B:Like later on when it's ensemble emergency too.
Speaker B:Like, there's not a ton of character arc stuff to get into.
Speaker B:And since we're not a recap podcast, we're a character analysis podcast.
Speaker B:There's not a lot of analysis to get into with.
Speaker B:With the characters that are not Buck and Eddie.
Speaker D:Yeah, I would argue that there's a lot of development that's happening or starting for sure for Buck in this three episode arc.
Speaker D:For sure.
Speaker B:Oh, for sure.
Speaker D:But no one else.
Speaker A:This is the Buck opening emergency.
Speaker B:This is the Buck emergency.
Speaker B:Also, why they've never topped it.
Speaker B:I'm so sorry.
Speaker D:It's so good.
Speaker D:It's just.
Speaker A:It's successful because everybody plays their part right and everybody gets little highlights here and there.
Speaker A:But let's be honest, the lion's share of the emotional arc of this opening emergency is pretty much solely on Buck.
Speaker D:There's.
Speaker A:There's a little bit for the other characters here and there from the last two episodes.
Speaker A:But, like, come on, it's mostly Buck.
Speaker D:Well, and if you look at the story, like the story itself, the plot for Buck is really simple.
Speaker D:It's a man searching for somebody.
Speaker D:That's his whole thing.
Speaker D:But with the backdrop of such a massive disaster and all of the other implications that him not finding Christopher, it makes it feel intimate but also really, really big.
Speaker D:Mm.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker A:Because he's.
Speaker A:Because Buck's not really doing, quote unquote, like, doing as much as like everybody else who is on the job, like the 118 helping people at the Ferris wheel or Maddie at Dispatch setting up the field hospital.
Speaker A:Like they're doing.
Speaker A:They're doing a lot.
Speaker A:That's where all the action is.
Speaker A:And that's what helps balance these episodes really well.
Speaker A:Because, like, Buck's story is.
Speaker A:He's just looking he's just looking for.
Speaker B:Christopher, which would be not screaming and bleeding out.
Speaker A:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker A:Not really be like an engaging episode otherwise.
Speaker C:Well, I don't know.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:For me, it's the most engaged.
Speaker D:For me, it's the most engaging part of the whole thing.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:But the least intimacy.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it's also balanced by, like, that intimacy and how close we get to Buck's character in these episodes is balanced by, like, all of the action.
Speaker A:So there's like a little bit of for.
Speaker A:For everyone, something fun and then.
Speaker D:And like the stakes kind of raising because this whole time Eddie doesn't know.
Speaker D:And you see Eddie doing all of his other stuff and, like being reminded of Christopher when he sees this little kid and just waiting.
Speaker D:Just waiting for Eddie to find out that Christopher is missing.
Speaker D:Especially, like the first time you watch this is really anxious.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Yeah, I still get anxious.
Speaker D:I've watched 8 million times and I'm still like, go find daddy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's also like the worst possible thing that a parent could hear.
Speaker D:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:I know we've kind of been doing it, but general thoughts on the episode.
Speaker A:I just assumed this was the general thought.
Speaker B:I know normally we go around and all say our own little takeaway.
Speaker A:It's about Buck.
Speaker A:We love Buck.
Speaker A:We would watch Buck wallpaper.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:We would watch Buck watch paint dry and be intrigued and could, like, pull something out of that.
Speaker C:Like, watch that man bake.
Speaker C:I'll watch that man fix houses.
Speaker C:I'll watch that man stare in search for his best friend's son.
Speaker B:Watch that man subconsciously sabotage things.
Speaker D:Watch him stare out the window while soft Ed Sheeran plays in the background and he has a monologue.
Speaker C:Watch him play with dogs.
Speaker D:Watch him collapse numerous times.
Speaker D:Watch him ask what a cupcakery is, which I don't believe.
Speaker D:I think that and $20 for a pizza in LA are the two most unrealistic things about this entire episode.
Speaker D:Is Buck not knowing what a cupcakery is and Eddie thinking $20 will buy a pizza.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: Like even in: Speaker B:No, like in the 90s, my parents would leave us with 20 bucks for pizza for me and my brothers, and that barely covered it.
Speaker B:In the 90s.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'm pretty sure I've already said it like a million gajillion times already for these past two recordings.
Speaker C:But the best arc, the best arc and the most anxiety inducing arc.
Speaker C:And remember, and.
Speaker C:And like me and Hannah keep saying, we were just like at.
Speaker B:We were.
Speaker C:We were doing other things that Were supposed to be a lot more important, but we were just screaming at our screens, where's Christopher?
Speaker C:Christopher.
Speaker C:Where's Christopher?
Speaker C:Where's Christopher?
Speaker C:And every single time that another character is shown, we're just like, we don't care.
Speaker C:Where's the baby?
Speaker A:Show us the baby.
Speaker B:Would like to see the baby.
Speaker D:Oh, God.
Speaker D:I know I was in the last episode, but when he fell off the fire truck and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:My heart just like, yeah.
Speaker A:Every time.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And like, I saw Hand for my birthday and I made her watch this three episode arc.
Speaker D:My birthday weekend, maybe.
Speaker B:We watched the first two episodes and then, like, went to Ren fair and then I was like, you have to wake up tomorrow and watch the last episode with me because we cannot not complete the.
Speaker D:And I'm like, have to.
Speaker D:Ma'am.
Speaker B:Do you know who you're talking to?
Speaker D:Do you know it is me.
Speaker D:It is.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like, this is just one long movie.
Speaker A:Like, you can't.
Speaker A:You can't watch any of these three episodes separately.
Speaker A:You have to, like, buckle in, lock in for the whole thing.
Speaker A:Which is what we also made Nikki do.
Speaker A:We're like, yes, we know you're only going to be recording 302 with us.
Speaker B:But you must walk out.
Speaker A:Walk out your whole Saturday afternoon because we've got.
Speaker A:We've got three episodes to watch.
Speaker A:You can't just do one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I love this arc so much.
Speaker B:It's just there are other good opening emergencies.
Speaker B:There are, actually.
Speaker B:I don't think there are any bad ones.
Speaker B:Except the blimp one's kind of.
Speaker B:Meh, meh.
Speaker D:I'm saying the blimp is just.
Speaker B:I don't think it's bad.
Speaker D:Don't even remember it exactly.
Speaker A:It doesn't hold a candle to the.
Speaker D:Rest of them in our.
Speaker B:Just a blimp.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm kind of just like, waiting for them to top it.
Speaker B:Like, I feel like that they should take that as a personal challenge.
Speaker A:Sounds like they might have.
Speaker B:And we keep saying on the podcast that, like, they can't do that without making it a buck centric one or maybe even an epicentric one.
Speaker B:They haven't done that.
Speaker B:Or a buck and Eddie centric one.
Speaker B:I'm just saying thoughts to think about.
Speaker A:Stick them in a cave somewhere.
Speaker D:Double mudslide.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Losing another arm.
Speaker A:No, they're safe.
Speaker A:They're in, like a pocket of.
Speaker B:They're in a space.
Speaker A:They're just blocked.
Speaker A:So they have to just communicate, talk about their feelings.
Speaker C:Yeah, that would be nice.
Speaker A:There's plenty of oxygen.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:They just literally can't move the bolt.
Speaker A:They who?
Speaker A:Can't roll the stone away.
Speaker D:But then they find out it's actually just a tarp in front of the cave opening and Bobby has parked the engine in front of it so they can't push the tarp.
Speaker D:And Bobby's just like, I'm so sick of it.
Speaker D:Just talk about your feelings.
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker A:It's coming back in like 12 hours.
Speaker B:It's like, I can't lock them in a closet.
Speaker B:That's homophobic.
Speaker B:But I can trap them in a cave.
Speaker C:Thanks to current events, I have been listening to the Tortured Poets department on repeat for some fucking reason.
Speaker A:300 why?
Speaker B:Not sure why?
Speaker D:Truly imagine.
Speaker B:Who knows Any other general thoughts if you covered it?
Speaker B:Just like, this is.
Speaker B:This is the best opening emergency.
Speaker B:We love book.
Speaker B:Honestly.
Speaker B:No one does.
Speaker B:No one does.
Speaker B:Like agony, like distress.
Speaker B:Same flavor that he does.
Speaker B:And that's why, I think, why it makes it so fudgeing good.
Speaker B:And because it's.
Speaker D:You know, I think it was a real shift for Oliver Stark, acting wise.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:To his craft.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:If I'm being honest, like, I think he just.
Speaker D:It was.
Speaker D:Felt like a launching pad a bit more for him digging deeper into who Buck is and how he portrays him, because it's not like he's a bad actor.
Speaker D:He had some moments, though.
Speaker D:But I feel like he did.
Speaker D:I mean, he did.
Speaker D:It's okay.
Speaker D:Everyone does.
Speaker D:But I really feel like this is kind of where it seemed like he got to know Buck much better than he had, I think, at that point or before that point.
Speaker D:And something deeper in that character other than buck 1.0 and 2.0 and whatever.
Speaker D:What software update is he currently on?
Speaker C:I think we're at four.
Speaker D:Are we at four?
Speaker B:I feel like we're reverting back to some middle patch soon here.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker B:So I re.
Speaker B:I rewatched his Instagram Live.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker B:Of where he watched the Searchers on Instagram Live.
Speaker B:And he was talking a lot about, like, the production of it, which is cool.
Speaker B:But then he also kept commenting, like, on his own acting.
Speaker B:And, like, most of it was him being like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just wasn't happy with, like, he.
Speaker B:He was like, I'm fine watching it.
Speaker B:But he was like.
Speaker B:While I was doing it, like, I kept thinking like, I wasn't doing good enough.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker B:You did amazing.
Speaker D:Did you?
Speaker D:Imposter syndrome king.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it's just a very heavy emotional thing.
Speaker B:So, like, I.
Speaker B:I mean, I Get be nervous about it.
Speaker B:But yeah, he killed that.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker A:Like incredible.
Speaker B:So with that being said, what it be like to.
Speaker B:To dive into some deeper looks at like the production and other things.
Speaker A:Yeah, cool.
Speaker A:I love that we get to use dive almost literally now.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:It's great.
Speaker A:I'm waiting for it.
Speaker A:So great.
Speaker B:We're gonna need the Jaws of Life over here.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So there was an article from.
Speaker A:I think this was from.
Speaker A:It came out during an earlier episode, but it was an interview with Oliver Stark where he was breaking down Buck's mind blowing rescue mission and shares emotional stories from the tsunamis.
Speaker A:This, this article is from TVLine.
Speaker A:And he was just kind of talking about his experience filming these episodes.
Speaker A:And the interviewer said everything looks so seamless and realistic.
Speaker A:What aren't we seeing in all of this?
Speaker A:And Oliver said it's a little mind blowing.
Speaker A:We went down to Mexico to make it happen.
Speaker A:We had these huge water tanks so we had the whole crew with us in the water.
Speaker A:Everybody was in wetsuits and everybody was going through it together.
Speaker A:There was a real sense of camaraderie and I get a little emotional when I think about making it.
Speaker A:I feel so lucky to have been allowed to be part of it.
Speaker A:So I think there is like a real sense of gratitude that he was able to be part of this production.
Speaker A:But also it seems like really get into kind of what Meg was talking about earlier.
Speaker A:Like more depth within Buck, but also seemingly with his.
Speaker A:With his acting as well.
Speaker A:And then the interviewer asks, this tsunami comes at an interesting time for Buck as he's trying to find his place in the world again.
Speaker A:What does that mean for you?
Speaker A:And Oliver said it's a gift as an actor to play a part that starts off so far on one side of the spectrum and becomes this whole other thing.
Speaker A:But you still believe he's the same person.
Speaker A:People are multi layered.
Speaker A:They have many different facets to them.
Speaker A:So to get to play a part like that is exactly what you want.
Speaker A:I feel like there are many.
Speaker A:There aren't many young male characters on TV that get to be cool and the hero then get to cry and be really vulnerable in the next scene.
Speaker A:That's an important thing for me to get to show.
Speaker A:So I think that just like I love when he says things that we just said.
Speaker A:It's great.
Speaker A:So yeah, it just.
Speaker A:It just seems like this was a very special storyline.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:For him personally and, and for the character.
Speaker A:And I didn't get to.
Speaker A:I didn't get to watch all of The.
Speaker B:I've got the lives from it.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:So just some, some notes from Oliver Stark from that Instagram Live, which you can find on YouTube if you just look up Oliver Stark Instagram Live, we'll.
Speaker A:Have it linked also.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, in our.
Speaker B:We show our work.
Speaker A:Yeah, we.
Speaker A:We linked all of our articles, all of our.
Speaker A:All of the videos we reference, all of the fanfic we reference.
Speaker A:Those are always in our show notes, just so you know.
Speaker B:But he did, he did also mention something kind of similar to what he said in the article that Rachel just talked about, like, about being like, grateful to like have that experience.
Speaker B:But he was talking about.
Speaker B:Talking to Brad Bucher about it, I think while, While they were filming.
Speaker B:Because I think he directed the first one.
Speaker B:Two.
Speaker A:Yeah, first two, I think it was.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:I can tell you.
Speaker B:I just know he's there at the scene of the crime.
Speaker B:Always.
Speaker A:Bradley Bucher directed 302 sink or swimming.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker A:Jennifer lynch did 301.
Speaker A:Ah, another powerhouse.
Speaker B:She's also at the scene of the crime.
Speaker B:Not very often, but.
Speaker B:But when she is.
Speaker B:When she is.
Speaker B:What a crime scene.
Speaker B:I'm saying that all, like, in a good way.
Speaker B:It's sounding bad.
Speaker B:Anyway, here, here are the takeaways from Oliver Stark's comments on the production of.
Speaker B:Of this episode or of the, you know, the Ark.
Speaker B:Because it was all filmed.
Speaker B:You know, all of the tsunami stuff was filmed at the same time.
Speaker B:So like Rachel said, it was filmed in the water tanks in Mexico made for the Titanic.
Speaker B:The Ferris wheel was real.
Speaker B:They built a half one and that was in a tank that led directly out into the ocean.
Speaker B:So that's why it looks so realistic, because it is so cool.
Speaker A:Only cgi, like some of the debris.
Speaker B:Maybe, I'm not sure.
Speaker B:But they did say.
Speaker B:He did say that there was only one street set and they just redressed it for different scenes.
Speaker A:That's crazy too.
Speaker B:So they had to, you know, film everything that was going to be on that one street at the same time.
Speaker A:Like the.
Speaker A:The boat that got stuck on the radio antenna tower was the same street as the cupcakery.
Speaker A:They just had to keep like, that's crazy.
Speaker B:Changing it.
Speaker B:So like the production.
Speaker B:Insane.
Speaker B:That's cool.
Speaker B:And then these are just a couple fun ones.
Speaker B:The first time that the episode aired, Meg probably maybe knows this from being here.
Speaker B:From the beginning.
Speaker B:They forgot to CGI out Captain Cooper's arm.
Speaker B:And you saw the green sleeved arm.
Speaker C:That's a big oopsie.
Speaker B:Yeah, and he said it and he was like, he Was like, oh, wait, we shouldn't talk about that.
Speaker A:And then he kept talking.
Speaker B:I mean, he was like, we should be positive here.
Speaker B:He's like, but yeah, it's just.
Speaker B:He was reading comments and someone.
Speaker B:He was like, yeah, Green arm gate.
Speaker B:And then he said that he recorded the ending voiceover on his phone in his closet.
Speaker B:And he took about 20 takes because he wasn't happy with any of them.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Then he was like, it's just crazy that I can record something on my phone and then it's on the tv.
Speaker B:Modern technology.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker B:Yeah, but that's interesting.
Speaker A:So I wonder why they didn't have him go into like an ADR booth.
Speaker A:Because they usually do.
Speaker B:He said that they were just like too busy and there was no time to do that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So easy to clean up audio.
Speaker B:It's just, you know, if you go into your closet, it is a good place to absorb a lot of other sound.
Speaker D:Yeah, good, good.
Speaker B:Built in soundproofing for the most part.
Speaker B:If you have a full closet, then we have art imitating life again, which I feel like we should come up with a title for these very short segments, which is just Tim Stealing People's Real Life.
Speaker D:Stealing People's Lives and Making Them act.
Speaker B:It out on Screen.
Speaker A:Snatcher or something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So when they're.
Speaker B:When Eddie and Lena are at the field hospital, Eddie says, it looks like you're gonna have to get used to being a southpaw for the time being to a guy who he's putting like his arm, like, in a sling.
Speaker B:And Lena says, best time to work on your change up and curveball.
Speaker B:And Eddie says, so you a pitcher too?
Speaker B:And that's because in baseball, southpaw refers to a left handed pitcher, which Eddie apparently was.
Speaker B:That's what that conversation was.
Speaker B:And guess who else was.
Speaker B:Ryan Guzman.
Speaker A:Surprise.
Speaker B:So shocked.
Speaker D:Is there?
Speaker D:Tim's like, I can't be bothered with backstory today.
Speaker D:You used.
Speaker D:Did you play any sport?
Speaker D:There you go.
Speaker B:I just want to know if he has like, you know, like baseball cards with facts, but it's like binders about each person.
Speaker A:I've said it before.
Speaker A:I think he has like a huge binder of just like, you know, 70s, like disaster movies and flips through them.
Speaker A:I think also in that binder, or you separate just this thick binder.
Speaker B:It's just like backstory of all of these.
Speaker B:All the public information available on every single main actor.
Speaker D:He hired a couple of 20 year olds and they did a deep dive in about 30 minutes and gave him all of the information about everybody that will ever be on his television.
Speaker D:His show.
Speaker D:That's what it was.
Speaker D:It's three 20 year olds in a trench coat.
Speaker B:But I just thought that that was funny.
Speaker B:And the only reason I even caught that is because Rachel and I, I don't know, in one of our 4am chats, learned that he was one.
Speaker A:There's so many.
Speaker B:Was it, was it because we were actually trying to see if, if him and Eddie did actually have that in common.
Speaker B:We were like, wait, did Ryan Guzman play baseball too?
Speaker B:What, what position did he play?
Speaker B:Yeah, and we looked it up.
Speaker B:So like, I wouldn't have even actually clocked that if I hadn't known beforehand that he was a left handed pitcher.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Hilarious.
Speaker B:Okay, I think this leads us into Rachel's red string quarter.
Speaker A:I've connected the dots.
Speaker C:You didn't connect shit.
Speaker A:Okay, so I think we found a number of parallels.
Speaker A:But I, I did just want to briefly mention that this episode, I think we talked about it in the last one, this episode also utilizes the Rashomon effect, which if you listened to last episode, that was a like storytelling narrative device where you're kind of seeing the same events happen from different people's perspectives.
Speaker A:So with the opening of the, with the episode with the couple that's getting divorced on the Ferris wheel, that's that kind of thing where we, we're seeing all these bits and pieces of like other perspectives of that same event with the wave coming in the first time.
Speaker A:So that was just continued on.
Speaker A:But speaking, speaking of which, that couple getting divorced, I think their names are Max and Stacy.
Speaker A:Boy howdy, are they parallel to Eddie and Shannon.
Speaker A:It seems fairly obvious because there's a couple going through a divorce.
Speaker A:The guy seems a little reticent and wants to relive the glory days a little bit.
Speaker A:And this is coming right off like four episodes essentially after Shannon dies.
Speaker A:So Eddie is still very much in Shannon limbo.
Speaker B:So interesting that they have that parallel and Eddie's right there helping.
Speaker A:Right there, right in front of his salad, literally.
Speaker A:No, they keep doing that too.
Speaker A:They, they keep having.
Speaker A:Because I think we said that in the last episode in 302 with Chuck and Adele, with the ship and how that kind of paralleled to Eddie and Shannon.
Speaker D:They were doing it before Eddie was right there.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, so they keep doing that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Stacy is ready to move on because they're, they're different people and their marriage is going nowhere.
Speaker B:This is just me paraphrasing and Max is stalling.
Speaker B:Who does that?
Speaker B:Remind you of?
Speaker B:She says.
Speaker B:He said.
Speaker B:He, like, confesses that, like, the ride stopped because he paid the attendant so that they could have a minimal loan.
Speaker B:And she's like, that's sweet, but, like, what did you think would happen?
Speaker B:He says, I don't know.
Speaker B:Some kind of sign, maybe.
Speaker B:Signs are a thing.
Speaker B:Signs happen in the movies, Max, but not in real life.
Speaker B:And then the tsunami comes in.
Speaker B:He's, like, not the kind of sign I was hoping for.
Speaker B:They're playing in Eddie's face.
Speaker B:This is terrible.
Speaker B:But, yeah, literally, Eddie was.
Speaker B:Eddie was, like, waiting for a sign to, like, figure out what to do with his relationship with Shannon, and then.
Speaker D:He was waiting for her to be pregnant so he didn't have to make a choice.
Speaker D:He could just be like, I'm trapped again.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So he didn't have to make a choice.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And then not the kind of sign I was hoping for, because it's a disaster.
Speaker B:I mean, Shannon dies.
Speaker A:I mean, that's pretty tragic.
Speaker B:Yeah, pretty tragic.
Speaker A:That is a.
Speaker A:That's a big sign that you can't really take back.
Speaker A:Also removes any.
Speaker A:Any choice.
Speaker B:And this.
Speaker B:This couple that we knew for five minutes gets a much better ending than Eddie and Shannon because he gets.
Speaker B:He gets feeling, like, a movement back in his hand, and he's like, give me the penny, Stacy, in those papers and signs them.
Speaker B:Because he's like, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I think he's like, this was my sign.
Speaker A:So, like, they.
Speaker A:In three minutes, Max and Stacy get more closure on their relationship, on their marriage, than Eddie ever will or that Shannon ever will.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And even the fact that, like, he got a possible spinal injury.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Kind of very similarly to Shannon.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:It's just very direct ties, but it.
Speaker A:It really shows there, like, the absence of closure that Eddie and Will experience.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because they never got to a point where they were able to sign divorce papers and kind of be like, okay, new beginning.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's just always.
Speaker A:It's always clicking in the back of his mind, is haunting his narrative forever.
Speaker D:Well, and I think it's.
Speaker D:I think they had a healthier divorce than Eddie and Shannon's marriage ever was.
Speaker D:Because I.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I think had he not signed those divorce papers right there, I think it was really important that he did.
Speaker D:I think it was really important, especially that we saw he was trying to kind of cling to it a little bit, but as soon as he was able to, like, she would have stayed with him, because that's something women do because of the.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:If he was Tatiana, Except.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But, like, if our partners are hurt, generally, we.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:We tend to stay by them.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And I think that's something that she was very.
Speaker D:You could see her kind of.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Her demeanor was changing.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:To do that and saying, like, it'll be fine.
Speaker D:We'll.
Speaker D:We'll make it work out and everything like that.
Speaker D:And I think it's so important that he was like, no, I don't want you trapped in this relationship with me.
Speaker D:I'm going to make sure that we're going to.
Speaker D:I'll get the divorce and it's taken care of before we know what his injuries are.
Speaker D:He wants to make sure that she's not beholden to him.
Speaker D:And I think that's so different than Eddie and Shannon's dynamic because they are so trapped with each other.
Speaker D:And it's not even that one's trying to trap the other.
Speaker D:They're just.
Speaker A:Just like, mutual trapping.
Speaker D:They're just stuck because they had a kid and there's.
Speaker D:And neither of them regrets.
Speaker B:They got married when they were 19.
Speaker B:Like, they were children, and then they never actually were together because he.
Speaker B:He ran to the military and then she ran.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:They were never.
Speaker A:And they were never on the same page.
Speaker A:And even if Max and Stacy, they weren't on the same page, they got there eventually.
Speaker A:And it's also like, this is how you do an amicable breakup.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Well.
Speaker D:And if Shannon had been pregnant, Eddie never would have.
Speaker D:Obviously never would have left.
Speaker D:And I think that's kind of the same, the pregnancy for Eddie and the injury for Stacy in that kind of situation.
Speaker D:So I loved seeing that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Max says after he signs, he's like, we were always a disaster, weren't we?
Speaker B:What a beautiful disaster we were.
Speaker B:And I was like, that's really beautiful.
Speaker B:But it made me really depressed because I was like, it would have been really nice to actually have Eddie get some closure instead of, you know, to be like my ex wife instead of my dead wife.
Speaker B:For him to be, like, his wife instead of being a widow.
Speaker B:Like, I just feel like even.
Speaker B:Just that, like, even if she had still died, like, I feel like the weight of that would be different.
Speaker D:He tries to get closure, and it doesn't work out so well for.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Even though he's trying to get closure, I think he literally just had a mental.
Speaker B:Well, his mental break started a couple episodes before that.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker D:He'S broken now.
Speaker D:I made myself sad.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:How do you always.
Speaker A:You know, who's a great fixer?
Speaker B:Ah, Anyway, we have, then we have some parallels between Alina Bosco and Buck.
Speaker B:Just a couple.
Speaker B:Just a couple little surface ones.
Speaker B:So she's.
Speaker B:She's being reckless and pushing through injury to help people and to try and find her captain.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Who does that sound, like, familiar?
Speaker B:Like, Bobby benches her and she's like trying to argue.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, she's trying to argue.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, you've broken ribs.
Speaker B:Like, that's dangerous.
Speaker B:You literally, like you're off the field and who does that remind you of?
Speaker B:Anyone?
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:And then, then later at the field hospital when they get there, like, Lena grabs the list of survivors, like out of the relief workers hands, and then she says to Eddie, like, Coop's not just my captain, okay?
Speaker B:He believed in me and he made me who I am.
Speaker B:Literally.
Speaker A:Very special relationship like Buck has.
Speaker B:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker B:And then we have Eddie saying to Lena, first we get you fixed up, then you can spiral out.
Speaker B:He's just so non plus with her because he's like, I already have one of these.
Speaker B:I know exactly what to do.
Speaker A:He knows how to deal with spiraling.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And in, in that conversation, and I'll say it here, because we're going to.
Speaker A:Slow burn's gonna be chock full of other stuff.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So, so when she's kind of like fighting back to him and, and she's like, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm rearing, I'm all fixed up, I'm raring to get back out there.
Speaker A:And he's like, man, you're stubborn.
Speaker A:And she said, you can try to stop me if you want to feel like.
Speaker A:Feel what two broken ribs feel like.
Speaker A:And just like the cadence and the phrasing of like the.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You want to try to stop me.
Speaker A:It just made me kind of think of you want to go for the title.
Speaker A:Like it was that kind of like, yeah, like you want to fight, but like, also, I know you're not gonna take the debate for it, but it was, it was very similar in, in tone and delivery, I think.
Speaker A:I don't think similar in intention, but.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:Although I.
Speaker A:The way it sounded to my ears.
Speaker B:Although I was worried when she showed up.
Speaker B:Mind you, when I started watching the show, I had no context for literally anything other than like who Buck and Eddie were and that Buck now kissed boys.
Speaker B:That was all I knew.
Speaker B:I wasn't spoiled for anything.
Speaker B:So like, she showed up.
Speaker B:I was like, oh my God, do we have another love interest for him already?
Speaker B:Like, Shannon's literally the.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker B:The dirt is.
Speaker B:Has barely Settled on her grave.
Speaker B:Like, can we.
Speaker B:And I was like.
Speaker B:And in my head, I was like.
Speaker B:And she's so obvious.
Speaker B:Got Buck parallel.
Speaker B:What are we doing?
Speaker A:So well, I think it's understandable to have that thought because I think the first time I watched it, I also was thinking that, too.
Speaker A:Meg, do you remember what, like, the.
Speaker B:The streets.
Speaker B:The streets are saying?
Speaker D:I don't think there was really a whole lot of, like, fear that she was a love interest, per se, because she just.
Speaker D:Trying to think of a good way to say this.
Speaker D:It doesn't sound shitty because it was.
Speaker A:Like just a guest star spot sort of thing.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:Like, we.
Speaker D:I can never remember this woman's name.
Speaker D:Rhonda Rouse.
Speaker D:Every.
Speaker D:Every time.
Speaker D:It's just Rhonda.
Speaker D:We knew that she was going to be in there a few times because the MMA thing and everything like that, but she just.
Speaker D:She seemed so much more bro y with Eddie than Buck ever has, you know?
Speaker D:Like, I never got any romance, like, chemistry vibe or pairing between the two of them.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:And the, frankly, the more I watch Bosco stuff, the less I enjoy it because I've just.
Speaker D:I don't know, that whole.
Speaker D:The whole Eddie fighting storyline just is not one I'm a big fan of.
Speaker D:And I.
Speaker D:Apparently, I hold her personally responsible for the whole thing.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then for her to get.
Speaker D:For her to get mad at him for doing what she.
Speaker D:Like, what's a healthy way to cope?
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:A healthy outlet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:I mean, she doesn't know who Tyler Durden is, clearly.
Speaker A:Sorry, I don't know who Tyler.
Speaker D:I don't think.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't think I got the vibes past this episode.
Speaker B:But, like, she showed up and there were just, like, a couple shots where I was like, why are you looking at them like that?
Speaker D:And I think.
Speaker D:I think that's more.
Speaker D:Because every female character who seems to come on this show winds up, at this point was wound up being a love interest kind of in one way or the other.
Speaker D:So I think there's some wariness of that.
Speaker D:And I think that kind of comes along with, like, the supernatural leeringness or every time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:A female character comes on the show, it's like, oh, who's she gonna.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like, I.
Speaker A:I want to be clear.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think, Han, you're right.
Speaker A:Didn't really think they were going to go down that route, like, after, like, after this episode.
Speaker A:But I also don't think there was a lot of, like, romantic chemistry between that.
Speaker A:So, like, I was just kind of wondering, are they going to do that?
Speaker A:Because I don't really see it.
Speaker A:But like, you know, that kind of, like, separation of are they going to.
Speaker A:Even though I'm like, I don't really see it.
Speaker C:I forgot what episode this was.
Speaker C:But what really cemented that that was not a thing was the grocery store fight.
Speaker C:And she's just like, watching this, like.
Speaker B:Oh, there for the tea.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Her eyes were, like, huge.
Speaker B:This is the gayest shit I've ever seen.
Speaker B:And I'm a lesbian.
Speaker D:She's just annoyed she had to bail Eddie out of jail because he couldn't talk to Buck.
Speaker D:No, seriously, she's like, buck, you owe me $200.
Speaker D:Yeah, seriously, this is your husband.
Speaker B:Clean up your man.
Speaker D:Buy your cat laxative.
Speaker D:Come get your man.
Speaker B:Let's go over our couple them flashover.
Speaker A:Obviously, this episode is the Searchers.
Speaker A:So searching is a big theme, obviously.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:I kind of thought it was split up into a couple, like, sub themes.
Speaker A:So searching for signs.
Speaker A:So, like, that could be signs of life, because that is pretty much what everyone, like all of the first responders are doing.
Speaker A:They're looking.
Speaker A:Buck is looking for Christopher.
Speaker A:Mad is looking for signs of life from the Ocean Plaza apartments.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, Lena was looking for Coop.
Speaker A:So looking for signs of life, but also kind of like what we were just talking about with the divorce couple, Signs from the universe.
Speaker A:And especially with a tsunami, it's like a very kind of act of God sort of situation.
Speaker A:And I think it's more of like, how you interpret those signs, perceived signs, and like, what you interpret as a sign a little bit.
Speaker A:I mean, it's.
Speaker A:It's mostly just like stated in.
Speaker A:In the beginning with Max and Stacy on the Ferris wheel where he was looking for a sign and.
Speaker A:And then it turned out to be like, oh, that's not the sign I was looking for.
Speaker A:But, like, are you still interpreting it as such, like a good or a bad sign?
Speaker A:And then searching for home.
Speaker B:It's literally in the monologue.
Speaker A:It's literally in there.
Speaker D:It's Buck.
Speaker B:It's Buck always searching for.
Speaker B:And just the people who are lost trying to get home.
Speaker A:Oh, literally that and then also searching for purpose.
Speaker A:Because we see so much even coming from season two at the end there where Maddie had to reevaluate, like, what her purpose was with her job.
Speaker A:Buck especially is searching for purpose because he thinks that his is getting taken away from him with his injuries.
Speaker A:And also Buck's purpose in this moment is to find Christopher and to take care of Christopher and Then, of course, searching to be seen, which is just Buck's theme.
Speaker A:Forever and ever.
Speaker A:He just wants to be seen.
Speaker A:Like, he's looking.
Speaker A:He's looking for someone to see him all the way back to, like, anyone.
Speaker D:But Eddie, so he doesn't have to tell him about his kid.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Literally ducking away.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:The parallel between that and 809.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Reasons, right?
Speaker B:Well, actually, no, similar.
Speaker B:Well, because when he overhears Eddie say the.
Speaker B:The job opportunity, everything that matters is in Texas.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:And he does the same exact thing.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:And, like, scurries out of the way.
Speaker B:He's about to have a panic attack.
Speaker C:Had.
Speaker A:Actually.
Speaker A:Actually, it's interesting.
Speaker A:I made a note about how Buck, like, kind of hid away, but we'll get.
Speaker A:We'll get to that.
Speaker A:But that's interesting that you tied it to 809, because obviously I wrote the notes, most of my notes before we watched 809.
Speaker A:And then we also have kind of what we're really seeing as the theme of the season is keep fighting or not giving up.
Speaker A:That aspect of resiliency, which is kind of very much like a series theme, but they're really going in on it in season three, like we saw with.
Speaker B:The first two episodes, it's just Buck's theme.
Speaker A:That too, but it's also like so many other characters are like, you know, keep fighting.
Speaker A:Like, you have to look at hope.
Speaker A:You have to, like, look for hope.
Speaker D:So it's.
Speaker A:It's wider than just Buck, but it's very much like.
Speaker A:But it is.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I'm just saying that's, like, literally his theme.
Speaker B:That's just, like, mission statement.
Speaker A:Of course, with searching, there's also feeling lost because you're looking.
Speaker A:You're looking for something.
Speaker A:Any of those things that we mentioned above in, like, searching for signs, searching for home, purpose to be seen, lost within, like, a physical capacity, but also, like, emotional, metaphorical.
Speaker A:I was just trying to pull some more themes because it didn't seem as, like, readily apparent as some of them do, which I think kind of happens when it's big emergency focused, but mostly with Max and Stacy.
Speaker A:And I think they do this sometimes where, like, whatever big emergency they.
Speaker A:They have in the episode, and a lot of times it's.
Speaker A:The first one is the one, like, setting up the themes for the episode.
Speaker A:So, like, Max and Stacy on the Ferris wheel talked about stuff being coming full circle, like, remember where it began in the first place and change.
Speaker A:So environments may stay the same, but people Change and grow.
Speaker A:Because he was saying, like, this is where we had, like, our first date.
Speaker A:And look, it's all the same.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Stacy was like, but the people are different.
Speaker B:Who's cooking?
Speaker B:Is it time for characters?
Speaker C:It's time to start cooking.
Speaker B:It is time to start cooking.
Speaker D:Well, this is when Maddie became a hacker extraordinaire by.
Speaker D:I'm in.
Speaker D:When she gets that link to the drone, that's when we see her technological wizardry.
Speaker D:I don't know why that kills me so much, and I think it's because so many times I watch this, my husband is me, and he just loses his Anytime Maddie.
Speaker D:Anytime Maddie is doing something that's not just answering 911 calls like dispatchers do, because, like, a friend of ours is a dispatcher, and, like, none of this is a thing that she does.
Speaker D:But when she's just like, I'm in.
Speaker D:Like, she just hacked into Fort Knox rather than clicking a link that was sent to her by the person flying a train.
Speaker D:So that was her.
Speaker D:Not.
Speaker D:Obviously that wasn't her big arc.
Speaker A:I mean, her big.
Speaker B:Her big arc for this emergency, I feel like, was in the last episode.
Speaker B:This is just kind of a content, like, how did I almost say Continuation.
Speaker B:Continuation.
Speaker A:You guys still.
Speaker B:And Rachel, you spread whatever that disease was to me.
Speaker A:Is Mercury retrograde coming?
Speaker B:I feel like it is literally here.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:I feel like this episode's just like the continuation of that for her.
Speaker B:So she's kind of back to just doing her job.
Speaker B:But she uses her.
Speaker B:Her Lassie senses and knows that there's something wrong.
Speaker B:They run in the family.
Speaker B:And she's like, I know there's something wrong.
Speaker B:There's literally no information to go off of and punch.
Speaker D:It's her big sister power.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:That is her big thing in this episode is just being big sister.
Speaker B:Seems like there aren't resources for that.
Speaker B:And so I have written down in my notes.
Speaker D:Maddie.
Speaker B:I make my own resources, Buckley.
Speaker B:Because someone calls her with an emergency instead of handling back emergency.
Speaker B:She's like, you have a drone that.
Speaker A:Well, I think.
Speaker A:I think she handles it by, like, alerting the people who need to be alerted.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:No, it's.
Speaker A:It's so funny.
Speaker D:I'm gonna have you take your drone, you young child, and potentially see something horrific and traumatizing with your drone so.
Speaker B:I can prove my boss wrong just in a tsunami.
Speaker B:So what's some more.
Speaker D:It's true.
Speaker D:She is looking at, like, potentially.
Speaker B:Calling him the frogman.
Speaker A:Like, he would have been missed otherwise.
Speaker A:And let it.
Speaker A:I Mean, let it not be said that Maddie is not resourceful.
Speaker A:Right, Maddie.
Speaker A:Maddie utilizes everything at her, like within her disposal.
Speaker B:Within and outside of her disposal.
Speaker A:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:And I also think it's really interesting because we talked a lot about, I think in season two with like going.
Speaker A:Going with your gut instincts and stuff and how that's such a, again, important resource to use.
Speaker A:So it's interesting too to me that when she raises these concerns to sue and sue responds with saying, you're telling me that the only building in the LA area that is not asking for help, needs help, but we don't have any proof of this.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, well, you just kind of heard it like, listen to what you're saying because, oh, the only place that's not asking for help that seems like a giant like red flag sign anomaly.
Speaker A:Like, oh, well, maybe we should look into that.
Speaker A:I understand, like the like, not having the resources available thing, but also kind of like if something's that glaringly like not wrong when everything else is wrong, like, maybe you should look into it.
Speaker D:No nuisance calls.
Speaker D:Like none of that coming from a, A at least a 10 story building that is that itself.
Speaker A:Maddie is absolutely correct to, to stick to her gut and utilize what.
Speaker A:What's at her disposal.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's very impressive.
Speaker B:That's a good thing she did.
Speaker B:And then we see her on the phone with Buck later in the episode and she's distressed, as she should be.
Speaker B:She's like, you need medical care.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, I need to just keep looking for Chris until I bl.
Speaker B:And so she likes to go down there, which I don't know how they're just letting her leave work in that situation, but I, I guess I get it.
Speaker B:Family emergency, your brother.
Speaker A:She had to leave work when Buck got crushed, so.
Speaker D:Well, I know, but this is a little different.
Speaker B:Like technically, right, by some medical care and he is conscious and talking to her, but.
Speaker D:And she's not the only dispatcher who's having family issues going on, I'm sure.
Speaker D:Like it was a tsunami that affected probably most of them.
Speaker B:I just want to know how pissed she was when she got there.
Speaker B:And like he was unconscious and getting.
Speaker D:Some blood transfusions because Christopher's fine.
Speaker D:Like, no one thought to call me.
Speaker D:No, it's cool.
Speaker C:No, nobody knew.
Speaker C:Nobody knew that you weren't gonna be there.
Speaker B:You know, then I think the last time you see her is when.
Speaker B:With.
Speaker B:What is the girl's name?
Speaker D:Charlie.
Speaker C:Charlie.
Speaker B:Charlie.
Speaker B:We see her with Charlie and Which is Maddie is the biggest crossing the line person with like following up with people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Going beyond the glass doors.
Speaker D:Like, I feel like also.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, but she wasn't around long enough to continue to do it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But like, I just feel like Maddie shows up at so many people who she has answered calls for, like in their hospital room, other places, stalking them.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:She gets really invested.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think so much of what we learn about Maddie is like, she needs to really have that connection with people in order to feel.
Speaker A:Feel fulfilled.
Speaker A:I'm not saying it's the right thing to do and.
Speaker A:And is the most healthy thing, but as.
Speaker A:As we see later on.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:She needs that closure.
Speaker D:And she talks about it in later episodes when, like, she's talking, thinking about no longer doing dispatch because she doesn't like that.
Speaker D:She doesn't know what happens after they hang up.
Speaker D:And she doesn't have the same mentality that Josh does.
Speaker D:Whereas, like, Josh is like, in my mind, everyone lives, everyone is happy.
Speaker D:That was Josh.
Speaker B:That was 2:17.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because we just.
Speaker D:One of the most edited that.
Speaker D:And then one of the most ridiculous scenes in this entire show when they go for coffee and everyone stands up and tell.
Speaker B:I called it the your voice matters flash mob.
Speaker D:Oh, God.
Speaker D:I almost quit watching the show.
Speaker D:I was so annoyed by it.
Speaker D:I thought it was the dumbest thing.
Speaker D:I'm like, how many rules are you breaking to hunt these people down and make them come get coffee so they can make this.
Speaker D:This dispatcher feel better about herself?
Speaker B:Like, they're really understaffed and they need her to stay.
Speaker D:Like, I guess this is what your tax dollars are going towards.
Speaker D:California, Los Angeles.
Speaker D:She has great follow up care.
Speaker D:You'll never get rid of her.
Speaker B:It's true.
Speaker D:Sorry, that was.
Speaker D:That was my little rant that I have always wanted to just mention.
Speaker A:Oh, dear.
Speaker A:Well, I'm so glad to help provide you with this platform.
Speaker B:I do think we ragged on that.
Speaker B:Your voice matters.
Speaker A:We did.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:For a while.
Speaker A:It's a very, like, TV thing.
Speaker B:I said it was very ugly.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:That's what it was.
Speaker D:There are episodes where it does feel like Ryan Murphy has his finger a little deeper in the pie than usual.
Speaker D:And those are usually the scenes.
Speaker D:Those are usually the scenes I like the least.
Speaker D:Least because I'm really not a big Ryan Murphy fan.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker A:And Athena is also there amputating.
Speaker B:The only nice thing I have to say about Athena in this episode is that she did a good job amputating that man's arm.
Speaker D:That scene crack.
Speaker D:Like, I didn't crack me up.
Speaker D:But I love it when she's like, there's no just about someone's arm.
Speaker D:But I mean, good job, Athena.
Speaker D:For protecting property instead of people.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I just got really irritated about the whole.
Speaker B:And I get it.
Speaker B:It's cops.
Speaker B:And it was realistic for them to be like, yeah, we're just, like, focusing on looters.
Speaker B:And I was like, there's so many people who need help, and you're just like, going after looters.
Speaker B:And then the people, like the group that has Christopher comes up to her and they're like.
Speaker B:And she's like, we're doing all we can.
Speaker B:And I'm like, are you.
Speaker D:They didn't have any spoxes or potential property on them, just people.
Speaker D:So the police did not care.
Speaker D:That made me so mad the whole time.
Speaker D:I'm like.
Speaker D:Of everything that's going on, the thing that you're most concerned about is desperate people.
Speaker D:Usually when looting is a situation looking for necessities.
Speaker B:I get that it's her.
Speaker B:Like, it's her job, so she's doing her job.
Speaker B:But I'm just like, I couldn't in this episode with it for some reason.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was because.
Speaker B:Focusing on the looters and then pulling the gun on the people who were trying to rescue the pets, which also, like, why were you rescuing the pets from, like, the wealthy homes?
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:It looked like people were just like.
Speaker B:The street looked fine.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:Except I know the debris that Cooper was trapped in.
Speaker D:But her having her gun out immediately was such an escalation that was unnecessary.
Speaker D:That also.
Speaker D:Yeah, that left a bad taste in my mouth to.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:I mean, to me, it was really just kind of like a plot device, narrative device to get Athena to be the one to find Rani.
Speaker B:It absolutely was.
Speaker A:I was just like, yeah.
Speaker A:So I'm just like, could we use.
Speaker B:A different form of propaganda to get there compared to.
Speaker D:Compared to earlier episodes when she's with May and dealing with, like, the traff.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker D:When they're in the accident and stuff like that.
Speaker D:This just felt so gross in comparison.
Speaker B:Opening emergency in season two, and she's actually, like, helping people by, like, stopping the price gouging and other stuff like this just felt very much like.
Speaker B:And I get.
Speaker B:Again, it's her job.
Speaker B:She has orders.
Speaker B:She's doing what she's told.
Speaker D:But, like, that leaves such a bad taste in the mouth that it's really hard to separate.
Speaker B:It's not 91 1's fault.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:ACAB is just.
Speaker D:ACAB.
Speaker D:I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker B:ACAB just normally doesn't apply to Athena for me.
Speaker B:But, like, was one of those times where I was like, girl, normally you do whatever you wanted.
Speaker A:Those times, I just think they didn't really have another way to get.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And maybe they should have, like, looked for another way for her to get to, like, Brian Cooper.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, there are moments like that where I think they just.
Speaker B:They fall back into, like, the.
Speaker B:The cop procedural procedural part.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:I mean, that's not, like, necessarily bad writing, because that's just, like, what it is.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:That's what it is is on a lot of shows.
Speaker B:But there are so many better ways you could do it.
Speaker D:But it feels inconsistent, too, because this is the same cop who goes to a convenience store where the guy is overcharging people a ton of money because he's afraid that they'll start looting.
Speaker D:And rather than be like, well, they're, like, doing what she's doing in this episode, she's like, you're gonna reduce your prices to 50%.
Speaker D:And I was like.
Speaker D:And she's very much on the side of people who need these things, deserve to have them without being gouged and upcharged.
Speaker D:And then after that, she pulls her gun on people before she talks to them in order to, again, protect property.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's ultimately what it is.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And the whole thing about her turning the.
Speaker A:The folks who were seeking help away is, again, it.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:A plot device.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:It's just like.
Speaker B:I'm just saying, like, in universe, like, her as a real character.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'm just trying to remember, how did Ronnie get to work, got to where he.
Speaker C:Where we find him?
Speaker A:No idea.
Speaker D:He was caught in the initial wave because they were also on the pier.
Speaker D:They were doing the CPR on the mascot.
Speaker D:The mascot guy, and he just got really caught in the wave.
Speaker D:And, I mean, they're not that far.
Speaker A:Like the spin cycle.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:He probably got swept away by all that debris.
Speaker D:Yeah, he got hit by a car in the water, basically.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then it landed on him.
Speaker D:I like that actor, too.
Speaker D:I see him in some stuff from time to time, and I like him anyway.
Speaker B:But he wasn't there for long.
Speaker B:But he was great.
Speaker B:He was funny, fantastic character.
Speaker A:I would love to see him, like.
Speaker B:Again, show us that other fire captains exist other than him.
Speaker B:And other than Bobby, what's the firehouse it's the 136.
Speaker A:And Meta is the 130.
Speaker B:133.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I was getting confused.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Which are also the harbingers of bad things.
Speaker B:Literally at the scene of the NDE crimes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I would like to see the 136 again.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously I don't think think Ronnie would be captain anymore, but.
Speaker D:No, he needs his other arm.
Speaker D:He's got a good pension.
Speaker A:Yeah, but that, that is, that was obviously a parallel to Buck getting crushed and how much worse it could have been because then, like, he wouldn't have.
Speaker B:Realistically how it would have been, because.
Speaker A:Then Buck wouldn't have had like any hope of like, getting back to firefighting.
Speaker D:And Buck never would have tourniqueted his leg, not for a second.
Speaker D:That man would have bled out before he did anything to potentially take his leg.
Speaker A:Buck would never do like a 127 hour sort of deal.
Speaker A:He would have held on for dear life.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:He'd still be under that truck today.
Speaker B:Do anything else in this episode?
Speaker C:No, she's just at the end montage.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Good to see her.
Speaker B:And calling May over and being like, come and join us.
Speaker B:Which is, which is good, Mommy.
Speaker B:To make sure that your daughter who just went through all of the horrors, like dissociating into her phone and comes over and hangs out.
Speaker A:Which is nice.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Honestly, I thought she was like writing her essay.
Speaker B:She might have been.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And then we just have the rest of the 118, minus Eddie and Buck, obviously.
Speaker B:Bobby, Chimney and Hen are also here.
Speaker B:They're at the Ocean Plaza.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And they're doing the thing.
Speaker A:And Chimney has some great one liners.
Speaker D:He was so excited about.
Speaker D:Neither rain nor snow.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:Dark of night.
Speaker D:I loved it.
Speaker A:And then when they run into like.
Speaker D:That horde of zombie people.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:But I'm like literally went, zombies.
Speaker A:It's just like that horde of people in like the kind of like we've seen too much.
Speaker D:Like that one tiny old lady carrying Christopher.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker D:That's clearly a dummy because that did not move.
Speaker A:But then Chimney says, like, we're gonna need a bigger mail truck.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, they were waiting for so long to make a Jaws reference.
Speaker D:Chimney himself.
Speaker D:Thank God he had a kid, so his dad jokes could really thrive.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, no, they were great.
Speaker A:There's Bobby and Chimney and Hen.
Speaker A:So smart.
Speaker A:Do good things.
Speaker A:Very intelligent.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:We're on a bomb.
Speaker A:Good job.
Speaker B:We are on a bomb.
Speaker B:Not a lot more exposure, character arc stuff to Talk about here.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:No, I think that's literally what it is on this episode.
Speaker D:It's really just Buck and Eddie.
Speaker D:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's the heart.
Speaker B:They all seem very concerned about Buck when they see him at the field hospital casually bleeding out.
Speaker C:They're also.
Speaker C:They're just.
Speaker C:Just bearing witness or just bearing witness.
Speaker A:They are bearing witness.
Speaker C:Whatever is.
Speaker C:Whatever that situation is.
Speaker B:Bobby is just, like, doing his classic looking at Bucket Eddie thing.
Speaker B:Like, are you two okay?
Speaker D:Did you guys see the bandage on Buck from all that blood was this big because it was just a tiny cut that he just kept bleeding out from.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Our poor tired baby.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, interesting though, that, like, all of them are standing there watching on, which is very similar to 8, 10, 10.
Speaker A:809.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Oh, God.
Speaker A:So interesting.
Speaker A:Which obviously we will be far past by the time this comes out, but, like, it's.
Speaker A:It's right there on.
Speaker A:On, like, just happen for us.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And we're still recovering last week, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is a note for future us.
Speaker D:Good luck.
Speaker B:They're all very concerned.
Speaker B:I'm sure that this is not instilling any further confidence in Bobby to let Buck back to work.
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely not.
Speaker D:Man is exhausted.
Speaker B:He's exhausted and like.
Speaker B:And he's, you know, that.
Speaker B:That relief flooding his body and I feel like all the endorphins, like, flooding his mind.
Speaker B:Like he looks left.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like all that adrenaline just.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Crashed.
Speaker D:Yeah, gone.
Speaker B:Like, just.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I couldn't imagine, like, like him being in a panic for this whole time.
Speaker D:Like, he did more.
Speaker D:Not like in this episode, but in this thing.
Speaker D:Buck himself worked harder than anybody else at the 118.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:During this whole thing.
Speaker D:And that's not even to shade the 118, but he was saving people.
Speaker D:He was doing.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker D:Was.
Speaker D:He was doing so much and.
Speaker D:And all of it, especially after he lost Christopher.
Speaker D:Just running on adrenaline and.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I couldn't imagine that terror that he felt for the whole time.
Speaker D:And then the.
Speaker D:Just absolute is like his strings got cut once he saw that Christopher was safe and like, oh, look, my will to live is back pretty much.
Speaker A:Like, that's a different will.
Speaker D:He couldn't wait three more minutes before telling Eddie so Christopher would be okay.
Speaker D:He had to watch entire world collapse.
Speaker B:In those 30 seconds.
Speaker B:Shall we talk about Eddie?
Speaker A:We always.
Speaker B:Can we be about Eddie?
Speaker A:We'll talk about Eddie.
Speaker C:We're always about Eddie.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Eddie in this episode three, Episode three.
Speaker A:Which is always about Eddie.
Speaker B:He says so many funny things in this episode.
Speaker B:The first thing is, I just love whenever it's just like, him and Bobby together and it doesn't happen enough, but they're really funny.
Speaker B:Bobby is like.
Speaker B:The people are speaking Spanish and he's like, what's happening?
Speaker B:Translate it for me.
Speaker D:He's from Minnesota.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Eddie's like, la bombera.
Speaker D:Fire lady.
Speaker B:Fire lady.
Speaker B:This is like, long dramatic pause.
Speaker D:And this is your Spanish lesson with Eddie for this episode.
Speaker C:I need that man to speak more Spanish.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:Yes, please.
Speaker C:Instead of giving me two words, two easy words.
Speaker C:I know, I know you've got Spanish in you.
Speaker C:Let's go.
Speaker D:It's a thing I like and fix, but only if it can be integrated in, like, a natural way of.
Speaker D:Of switching back from English to Spanish.
Speaker D:Because I love it.
Speaker D:Like, do I understand Spanish?
Speaker D:Not really.
Speaker D:I do not care.
Speaker D:I just love to listen to it.
Speaker A:His name.
Speaker B:Like, I hope that they'll have him not to talk about season eight again.
Speaker B:I hope we'll have him speaking it more while he's in Texas around a bunch of family that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, Abuela again.
Speaker B:I hope so.
Speaker A:I hope so.
Speaker D:You can go back to LA with this accent.
Speaker D:Renewed is like every chart.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:When I go to Peru, it's like.
Speaker C:Yeah, My.
Speaker C:My American accent went bye bye.
Speaker C:When I speak Spanish, it's a lot more natural, not, like, awkward.
Speaker C:And then I come back here and.
Speaker A:Like, I sound American, which.
Speaker C:Yes, but also.
Speaker C:But the.
Speaker C:The Spanish jumps out when I get mad.
Speaker C:Or, like, the accent jumps out when I get mad.
Speaker C:So when I'm speaking in English and I'm angry, you'll hear that.
Speaker A:Can attest.
Speaker D:I'll know what to listen for, to know when I'm overstepping.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:No, it's more on the yelling.
Speaker C:You'll.
Speaker C:You will probably never hear me yell.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker D:I want to hear Addie speak more Spanish, though.
Speaker D:Like, especially because so many.
Speaker D:And I know he's not a native Spanish speaker.
Speaker D:Like, that wasn't necessarily his first language or whatever, but so many people who are like, native Spanish speaker or I.
Speaker D:I feel like he spoke plenty of Spanish in his house with his family and stuff like that.
Speaker D:When they get really emotional and they get excited about stuff, they tend to slip.
Speaker D:Like, my best friend spent years in Mexico.
Speaker D:When she gets really excited about stuff, she slips into Spanish because the.
Speaker D:The brain translation doesn't work quite as fast as her thoughts do.
Speaker D:And I want to see more of, like, that kind of stuff with Eddie.
Speaker D:Like, you can really.
Speaker D:Once you stop being so repressed and, like, Tightening up your emotions so much.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna say that once increases 25.
Speaker C:Like, I'll even take Spanglish.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, you could just slip the words in.
Speaker B:Just do it.
Speaker D:Yeah, I do that all the time.
Speaker B:You do?
Speaker D:I do love when he calls Christopher mijo, though.
Speaker D:I'm like, I just.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, it just, like, warms the heart.
Speaker D:But the La Pambera cracked me up because it was just like La Bombera.
Speaker D:Use your eye.
Speaker D:Use your eye.
Speaker B:How do you not know how to say firefighter in Spanish?
Speaker B:You live in la, right?
Speaker D:And then also look up at the person in a uniform hollering at you.
Speaker B:Eddie's the funniest person alive, actually.
Speaker D:He's really sassy this episode, and I love it.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A: t's the return of Sass Master: Speaker C:You mean Edmundo Noches?
Speaker A:Exactly, yes.
Speaker A:Please refer to season two, episode one, Our episode.
Speaker B:We kind of already covered a lot of the stuff that has to do with Lena already.
Speaker B:I think she's a Buck parallel.
Speaker B:She's looking for her captain, and he is very good at reining her in because she's.
Speaker B:She's a parallel hating the same, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:She also expositions emergencies for us.
Speaker D:When that kid is secondary drowning, she's there to tell us that that's what it was.
Speaker D:Delayed secondary drowning.
Speaker B:I'm gonna say this, and then you can tell me if we should cut it out of the episode.
Speaker B:But, like, he's used to being a brat tamer, so this is easy work for him.
Speaker A:We're keeping that in.
Speaker B:This is easy work.
Speaker B:She's nowhere near as bad as Buck, actually.
Speaker B:Buck, actually.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:She's nowhere near as bad as Buck.
Speaker D:And then there's Clipboard Buck, which is a whole different animal, whole different level.
Speaker A:But it is interesting to see, you know, since Buck is out of commission, technically, we haven't really seen Eddie work with anybody else outside of the Core four, so I like that they kind of partnered him up with Lena.
Speaker A:So you see, like.
Speaker A:Like a different dynamic, but it's also interesting because it's like.
Speaker A:It's not that different because she is a parallel to Buck.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it.
Speaker A:I think it's just one of those instances where it's also, like, a little bit of.
Speaker A:Yeah, you see, what you're doing is kind of, like, normal over here compared with, like, what you usually are doing with Buck and not normal.
Speaker A:They're not normal at all.
Speaker B:Like, like, so you.
Speaker A:So there.
Speaker B:Even if you compare their first day of knowing each other, I know.
Speaker A:Well, no, it's interesting, too, because, like, again, right off the bat, she was very, like, a little combative with him.
Speaker A:She's, like, kind of similar to how Buck was not.
Speaker A:Not threatened in the same way that Buck was, but she was like, no, I'm fine.
Speaker A:Like, stop.
Speaker A:Like, go away.
Speaker A:I don't need you.
Speaker A:Which is.
Speaker A:Is essentially like, what is he doing here?
Speaker B:You know, I don't need you either.
Speaker D:Oh, that makes me so sad every time.
Speaker D:Like, it just.
Speaker D:We're not talking about that later.
Speaker A:Tomorrow.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:Well, I can't, but you guys have fun.
Speaker A:We'll talk about that with you anyways.
Speaker A:Don't worry.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's just like an interesting.
Speaker A:It set up, like, a different dynamic that is kind of similar on some aspects and some levels, but it's also like, this is drastically different.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like they're.
Speaker A:They're giving us a mirror and a parallel.
Speaker A:But it's also like, there's difference here, because normal, not normal.
Speaker D:And if this was something that.
Speaker D:If we knew that this was intended, and we know that it wasn't intended quite yet for Buck and Eddie to ever be a thing, it feels like.
Speaker D:And recently, anytime we see them work with someone else, it feels like it's meant to highlight the difference between their relationship with each other versus their.
Speaker D:Not even.
Speaker D:Just like, Jim and Hens, like, not even between, like, other people who are friends with each other, but just their dynamics with.
Speaker D:With other firefighters.
Speaker D:Working dynamics.
Speaker D:We see Buck and Ravi, and I want to see so much more of that.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker D:I think we will, too.
Speaker D:And I'm excited.
Speaker D:Sad for it.
Speaker D:But just to highlight the difference between their dynamic and their relationship and how weird it is.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:Compared to their relationships with anybody else.
Speaker D:And like I said, I don't think that's what they're doing in this episode.
Speaker D:I don't think they're doing that for a while.
Speaker D:If they are really at all intentionally, but intentionally.
Speaker A:I don't know when they definitely.
Speaker A:They're definitely doing something.
Speaker A:When Lucy shows up, I know she's very much like a Buck parallel to himself, but it's also a little bit like.
Speaker A:Like in any parallel.
Speaker D:But early.
Speaker D:Early season three, I don't think that they were.
Speaker D:They were there yet.
Speaker D:Season four is when I feel like they really started toying with the idea of Buck and Eddie.
Speaker B:We'll find out once Buddy goes canon.
Speaker B:Because once Buck came out, Tim was like, I've been doing this on purpose as early as season two, and Buck.
Speaker D:And Buck and Oliver was Like, I didn't care.
Speaker D:I was gonna play him as bisexual anyway.
Speaker B:And the, like, one episode we get that it was just the same.
Speaker D:He's just gonna, like, how would you do that?
Speaker D:Oliver just.
Speaker B:It was just staring longingly at Eddie.
Speaker D:Which she already did.
Speaker A:No, but I love how.
Speaker A:How he answered that question that one time.
Speaker A:I was like, yeah, I didn't get that far.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But I don't know how I was gonna do it.
Speaker A:I just knew that I was gonna do it.
Speaker D:Just making out with dudes in the background randomly.
Speaker B:Like Oliver checking out dudes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, it sounds like it was something that would come to him in the moment.
Speaker A:You know, he had a bisexual agenda.
Speaker B:And he was gonna make it happen.
Speaker A:Love that.
Speaker B:Anyway, Eddie, Jesus.
Speaker B:I blame episodes 9 and 10 for this because I literally can't stop circling back to it.
Speaker B:So anyway, then we get Eddie thinking about Chris because of, like, a kid on one of the.
Speaker B:I want to say call.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're on one call.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so he wants to call.
Speaker B:He wants to call and talk to Chris and let him know that he's okay, because as he tells Lena, like, his mom just died.
Speaker B:Not my wife just died.
Speaker B:His mom just died.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:His mom just died recently, and I don't want him to worry.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also thought that was interesting because I kind of compared that to in season two, I guess it was like.
Speaker A:Like 202 when they're in the truck on the way to the crumbling hotel, and Eddie pulls out his phone, and Buck's like, who are you trying to contact?
Speaker A:And Eddie's like, my son.
Speaker A:His mom's not in the picture.
Speaker A:I'm all he has.
Speaker A:So it kind of, like, tied that back together for.
Speaker A:For me.
Speaker A:And it was also just kind of interesting because for so much of that episode, Buck was trying to reassure Eddie that Christopher was safe.
Speaker A:Christopher was fine.
Speaker A:He's in the safest place he can be.
Speaker A:Which is kind of what Eddie thinks again in this episode, because he left him with Buck.
Speaker A:And the safest.
Speaker A:Like, with the safest place he can be, except all the stuff happens.
Speaker A:But I just thought that was, like, an interesting tie in.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker D:It's been a while since I watched season two kind of all the way through.
Speaker D:Is this the first time Eddie left Christopher with.
Speaker B:With.
Speaker D:By himself?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker D:I think so.
Speaker B:And, yeah, because he says in the last episode, he's like, here, Chad leaves me with you one time, and look what happens.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:I Love Eddie in this episode.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:I think he just.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker D:I love.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I love how he handles Lena.
Speaker D:I think that's the only way we can really kind of.
Speaker D:He just handles her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like you said, he's a brat handler.
Speaker B:He is, yes.
Speaker D:He's like, I have Buck and I have a nine year old or an eight year old.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I can deal with this.
Speaker D:I can handle this.
Speaker D:But I feel like.
Speaker D:And I think, I guess it's something that we're going to talk a bit more about later.
Speaker D:The most, like, the most important thing Eddie does for Buck in this entire episode is bring Christopher back after.
Speaker D:Because he knows that Buck needs to feel like he's trustworthy.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:And that he know that.
Speaker D:So Buck knows that Eddie doesn't blame Buck for what happened to Christopher and that Christopher doesn't blame Buck because I think without that, I think Buck would have had a really hard time trying to claw out of that hole.
Speaker D:And that second guess.
Speaker D:Cause we see Buck feels like he failed Christopher.
Speaker D:He doesn't see him running down the pier carrying Christopher.
Speaker D:He doesn't see him throwing Christopher to protect him from the.
Speaker D:The bad, worst force of the waves and.
Speaker D:And all of the other stuff he did.
Speaker D:All he can see is that moment, the one moment he turned his back.
Speaker D:And I think Eddie knows that.
Speaker D:And I think Eddie bringing Christopher back and then being so nonchalant about it and being like, it's not a big deal, like, this was not you.
Speaker D:And again, these two have known each other less than a year, I think, at this point in time.
Speaker D:And he's like, there's nobody I trust with my son more than you less than a year after knowing this man.
Speaker A:Meanwhile, you've got family.
Speaker A:You've got your grandmother and your aunt, like, down the street.
Speaker D:He's no car, he's no Carla, and he's half an abuela.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:Well, he knows Buck, so that's why he did it, because he knows Buck and knows, like, probably how Buck is thinking.
Speaker B:But I also think he probably was, like, how would I be feeling in that situation, like, if this had happened on my watch and I lost my kid?
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker A:But I also think Eddie is kinder to Buck than Eddie would be to himself.
Speaker D:And that's reciprocal.
Speaker D:Buck is kinder to Eddie than Buck ever is to himself.
Speaker D:Especially when it comes to Christmas.
Speaker A:They beat each other.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker D:They need therapy, but, yeah, also they need couples therapy.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, I love when we have me on.
Speaker B:So he calls Buck and leaves a voicemail.
Speaker B:He's still not worried, even though I feel like this is like, he's tried to reach Buck a couple times now, I think, and hasn't heard anything since, like, the breakfast text he got.
Speaker B:And he's still not worried because he's just like, he's with Buck.
Speaker B:He's life.
Speaker B:And he's nowhere near this.
Speaker B:And he keeps saying, which I feel like is the worst thing you could say, not just on tv.
Speaker B:It's just like you're tempting fate, but he's like, just glad you're missing it.
Speaker B:I'm so glad they're nowhere near this.
Speaker A:Like, and they'll never say that again.
Speaker A:Like, both Eddie and Maddie is not.
Speaker B:Back at work right now.
Speaker B:Like, you know all that.
Speaker A:Don't jinx it.
Speaker D:Well, and I think part of him thought, like, Buck's not a parent.
Speaker D:He's a single guy.
Speaker D:Like, this is potentially his first time watching a kid for a long period of time.
Speaker D:I would not automatically assume that they would do some.
Speaker D:Anyone would do something as active and involved and as tough as even just going to the pier and going to a fair with a little kid, because that's a lot like.
Speaker D:And Buck is still recovering.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker D:But Buck's also still recovering.
Speaker D:So, like Eddie, like I said, Eddie assumes they went to a movie, and that's why he assumes that Buck doesn't answer his phone.
Speaker A:He thinks he's always extra and he.
Speaker D:Thinks it's hilarious that Christopher is going to come down from his sugar high and Buck's going to have to deal with that and stuff like that.
Speaker C:So, yeah, if only we get a.
Speaker B:Bunch of just him being very competent at his job and then we get to see some medic.
Speaker B:Eddie, Some.
Speaker B:Some medi, if you will, which I'm very confused on.
Speaker D:Is he.
Speaker B:Is he a medic?
Speaker B:Is he a paramedic?
Speaker C:I feel like it's only when, like, the situation calls for it.
Speaker C:Like, that's when he uses his little.
Speaker B:Half him do that's very paramedic.
Speaker B:So, like, I'm confused.
Speaker B:Is he a paramedical?
Speaker B:Her medic?
Speaker A:He's an emt.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:So he's an.
Speaker D:He's an EMT and he's an army medic, and it's different training and licenses.
Speaker D:Licensing to be a paramedic versus an army medic.
Speaker B:Medic.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Difference between being a paramedic and being an EMT.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:They're all EMTs.
Speaker D:There's extra training involved to be a paramedic.
Speaker D:And I feel like it's mostly that Eddie just hasn't Gotten around to filling out the paperwork to become a paramedic because your army medic training should absolutely qualify you.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:He has, like, the knowledge and the skills, just not for sure.
Speaker D:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker D:He has probably even more knowledge and skills than a lot of paramedics because.
Speaker D:Especially with emergency stuff like that.
Speaker D:Because of battlefield injuries and things like that.
Speaker C:And I think, like, he's not a paramedic until, like, season five, you know, when Chimney leaves, so.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I literally think he just didn't send the paperwork in until then.
Speaker A:Well, I.
Speaker A:I also think think that him sending in paperwork to be a paramedic would also mean that he and Buck don't get to be partners.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I kind of think that might have Just, like, he's a playing back here into it.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:And his medic training allows him to be the backup.
Speaker D:He's just not the guy who's going to be on point.
Speaker D:Like, Chim is the most senior.
Speaker B:Senior.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, cool.
Speaker B:Glad we cleared that up because I was so confused.
Speaker A:He has the experience.
Speaker A:It's just like, the paperwork.
Speaker B:Okay, great.
Speaker D:Which I could see because he didn't want to fill out anything for the VA or anything.
Speaker C:No, the only.
Speaker C:The only paperwork that he does is changing his will.
Speaker B:That he had to see a lawyer for.
Speaker D:I bet you he just sent in his paramedic paperwork at the same time.
Speaker D:Because then in season five, might as.
Speaker B:Well get this out of the way.
Speaker B:It's been sitting around for two years.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then we get to see him flashing his medic paramedic skills.
Speaker B:And I love to see that because we don't see it all the time.
Speaker B:And then we get to see him lose his will to live for 30 seconds once he sees Book.
Speaker A:And so do we.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker B:Every time.
Speaker A:Every time.
Speaker D:Why do you have as glass?
Speaker B:He sees Buck and he immediately is concerned because I would be, too.
Speaker B:Looking at him, it's like, what are you doing here?
Speaker B:What are you doing here?
Speaker B:Wait, are you okay?
Speaker B:Because, like, A, he's bleeding.
Speaker B:B, he knows he's on blood thinners, and obviously he does not look like, where's Christopher?
Speaker D:And that man looks wrecked.
Speaker B:He's so, like, gentle.
Speaker B:Like, he's not saying anything, but he is like.
Speaker B:Like he is nodding and he's trying not to cry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he knows it wouldn't be Buck's fault.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But it's also so hard to even think about the idea of what Buck is trying to tell him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's unimaginable.
Speaker D:Like, there's Nothing.
Speaker D:There's nothing more horrifying than that.
Speaker A:Going through the unimaginable.
Speaker D:Yeah, right.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:We always Back here.
Speaker A:I know, Hamilton, for Eddie to just be like, like, so patient with, like, letting Buck try to spit this out, which he's obviously having trouble doing, because obviously, who wouldn't have trouble doing that?
Speaker A:But Eddie's just like, you know, of course, he's.
Speaker A:He's kind of, like, very quiet, in maybe a little bit of shock, and doesn't want to hear it, because who would?
Speaker A:But he's also like.
Speaker A:Like giving Buck the space to be able to say it.
Speaker A:And also.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I think that's twofold.
Speaker A:I think that's to allow Buck to say it, but also to, like, give the benefit of the doubt in the space.
Speaker A:Because it's like Schrodinger's cat, where it's like, if Buck is stumbling to say it, it's not said yet, so it's not real yet.
Speaker A:So Christopher is.
Speaker A:Is neither gone nor not gone, you know, so it's like trying to, I think, also, like, extend that moment while also never wanting it to, like, come to fruition in the first place.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I think the only reason he doesn't stop Buck saying anything, because that was immediately one of the things I thought I was like, why is he not trying to stop him?
Speaker D:Because if he doesn't say it, it's not real.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker D:It's not real.
Speaker D:It didn't happen.
Speaker D:But he doesn't know what Buck's trying to tell him.
Speaker D:He doesn't know if Buck is trying to tell him that Christopher is dead or if Christopher is missing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I think that's the only thing that's stopping him, because as long as Buck doesn't say dead, there's still hope.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, it's not Schrodinger's.
Speaker D:Cat, like, grasping for it.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker D:But I was surprised that he didn't.
Speaker D:Like, this is a man who tries to shut everyone up, who tries to tell him hard things that he doesn't want to hear.
Speaker A:Well, yes.
Speaker D:Which is why I was kind of surprised that he.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:That he was taking.
Speaker D:And I think so much of that.
Speaker D:He was just so.
Speaker D:He was in such shock.
Speaker A:That, too, we've seen time and time again where he would just be like, stop.
Speaker D:That's a compartmentalizing, though, because he's working and trying to separate work and.
Speaker D:And real life and be a man.
Speaker D:He must be swift as a cool.
Speaker C:So conceal, don't feel, don't break down.
Speaker A:How many Disney songs can we attribute to Eddie?
Speaker D:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:We can make a playlist.
Speaker C:The Disney princess.
Speaker D:Next three hours of this podcast is just us doing Eddie Disney songs.
Speaker D:Mini karaoke.
Speaker A:Karaoke.
Speaker B:So then while Buck is trying to stammer out the worst news ever, Eddie's dissociating a little bit and looks over and sees miraculously, miraculously Christopher, which, let me tell you, I did not notice this the first time I watched it.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker B:I did not notice Christopher being carried around.
Speaker C:Me neither.
Speaker D:Well, I don't think you're supposed to.
Speaker D:I think, you know, and that's why.
Speaker A:They have it kind of, like, breadcrumbed for, like, visually, it's just like, oh, here's this lady with this giant child several times.
Speaker B:And I feel like that should have flagged something, but I was just so.
Speaker D:Stressed out, especially because Buck never sees her.
Speaker D:Everybody.
Speaker D:Everyone at the 118 sees her except for Buck.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And Buck is the only one running around screaming Christopher's name scene.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:And he.
Speaker D:And Christopher's looking for Buck.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, he's worried about Buck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So then he, of course, runs over to Christopher and grabs him, and we get the whole, are you Buck?
Speaker B:He was looking for a Buck.
Speaker B:And then we have whatever.
Speaker C:Whatever that is.
Speaker B:Whatever it is.
Speaker B:When you just hug your son who you thought might have been missing or dead, head and clutch onto him for dear life while staring, gazing, gazing, staring at Buck.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:I don't even know, man.
Speaker C:I mean, if there's something.
Speaker C:It's really disbelief.
Speaker C:It's because, like, he's just.
Speaker C:He just.
Speaker C:He's already imagining.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:It's whiplash.
Speaker C:Because you're being told that he might.
Speaker C:Or he's either a.
Speaker C:A missing or the worst, the unimaginable.
Speaker C:And then he's just.
Speaker C:Just suddenly right there.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I actually have never thought about it this way.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Why do you think that he was looking at Buck's reaction?
Speaker B:And that's when he was, like, he decided that he loved Christopher the same way.
Speaker B:Like, he loved him, like, like a parent.
Speaker B:I think so, like, kind of saw, like, his own.
Speaker B:Kind of, like.
Speaker B:Like his.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Because that's just not a normal reaction for someone to have.
Speaker B:Like, Buck, like, the way he's reacting is not normal.
Speaker D:I don't know if it was so much like, maybe initially when Buck starts to collapse, but I think Eddie, his initial thing is he hears that his kid was.
Speaker D:Who was in danger and who was lost and who knows his dad's a firefighter.
Speaker D:He sees what's going on.
Speaker D:His dad is probably out there.
Speaker D:Christopher is looking for Buck.
Speaker D:So I feel like that's that moment of realizing this is someone that my kid trusts and my.
Speaker D:And that my kid feels like they'll be safe with.
Speaker D:And when he's scared and when he's in his worst situation, this is someone that my kid is going to be looking for and.
Speaker D:And knows will take care of him.
Speaker D:And I feel like that it was more about Christopher and what Christopher was doing, because it's always about Christopher than it was about Buck's reaction because he already knows that Buck loves Chris.
Speaker D:He already knows that Buck will take care of Chr.
Speaker D:This is like.
Speaker D:This is Christopher knowing that Buck will take care of him.
Speaker D:And that is so much bigger.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Well, it's.
Speaker C:Well, then I feel like this is supposed to go a little bit more in slow burn.
Speaker C:Because when you think.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:But when you.
Speaker A:Then when you're focusing on the Eddie part of it, I mean, when you.
Speaker C:Take that concept, it's kind of like, well, I guess he does do it.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker C:Which is the will and.
Speaker C:And everything.
Speaker C:And then telling him that you're the only.
Speaker C:I know that you love Christopher more than anyone or.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All of the.
Speaker C:All of the things that he thinks at the end.
Speaker D:Like.
Speaker C:But I was.
Speaker C:I was about to say, I'm like, okay, if Christopher is choosing this other person as, like, a safe space.
Speaker C:Eddie, what are you doing?
Speaker C:Why are you terrorizing the women of la?
Speaker D:We could.
Speaker D:I think we could talk about for hours about Eddie and his traumatizing his child through the women of la.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's kind of like Christopher chose his other parent.
Speaker B:Yeah, he did.
Speaker A:I literally just wrote that down so we can talk about that more.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:That makes sense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I really like thinking about that that way.
Speaker B:I do think, like, maybe if he wasn't feeling it, then he was thinking about Buck's reaction later because, like, yeah, he knows that Buck loves Christopher, but I don't know if before this, he knew that he loved him like.
Speaker B:Like a parent loves a kid for sure.
Speaker D:When Christopher was talking to him about what happened later and this was off screen about everything Buck did to keep.
Speaker A:Christopher safe, how Buck saved him.
Speaker D:That is when I think he's thinking about Buck's love for Christopher and how deep that went, I think.
Speaker D:But in that moment, I think just the suddenness of Buck's panic telling him that, trying to tell him that Christopher is missing, and then the whiplash of seeing Christopher safe and.
Speaker D:And okay.
Speaker D:And Then hearing that Christopher was looking for Buck, of all the people he could be looking for.
Speaker D:I think that.
Speaker D:I think that moment was more about Christopher than Buck.
Speaker D:But I do think later he absolutely was thinking about Buck and every.
Speaker A:And, like, putting all the pieces together.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, not just that, but thinking about literally Buck in front of him in that moment and, like, how he looked and how he was reacting.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:Oh, for sure.
Speaker A:Oh, that's so interesting.
Speaker A:I also.
Speaker A:I know we want to move on.
Speaker A:I just don't want to move past Eddie's section without mentioning, like, in that moment where he's waiting to hear if Kristopher is missing or worse.
Speaker A:I think you can also see the gears turn in his head where he's like, I just lost Shannon now I might have also lost my son.
Speaker A:And, like, if people in.
Speaker A:If one of the themes of this episode is, like, searching for purpose, Eddie's entire purpose is Christopher.
Speaker A:So it's also, like, I don't think it would be consciously, like, entering his head, like, what would I do next?
Speaker A:Sort of thing, but just kind of, like, one of those, like, is my purpose for living gone?
Speaker A:Because, like, there would be technically, like, no one else, because he doesn't have Shannon, doesn't have Chris.
Speaker A:What else would he have?
Speaker B:I opened up this.
Speaker B:The section saying that.
Speaker B:I know I said it like a joke, but it wasn't a joke.
Speaker B:It's like, you literally see the will to live.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Leave his eyes for sure.
Speaker D:And that's something.
Speaker D:And that is a.
Speaker D:I mean, it's a.
Speaker D:Every parent's worst nightmare.
Speaker D:The idea of losing your child and that.
Speaker D:That's like, I've.
Speaker D:I've talked about it because I have two kids.
Speaker D:I was like, if something happened to one of my kids, my other kid is literally the only reason I would be able to continue on.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And I have a lot of people.
Speaker D:I have a lot of people in my life that I love and I feel responsibility towards and stuff like that, but there's just nothing.
Speaker D:I can't imagine anything worse.
Speaker D:And Eddie doesn't have any of that.
Speaker D:That.
Speaker D:So, yeah, for sure.
Speaker D:I feel like Christopher is his purpose.
Speaker D:Christopher is his.
Speaker D:It's why Eddie does any of the things he does.
Speaker A:It's his motivation for everything.
Speaker D:It's why he tries therapy.
Speaker D:It's why he tries dating these damn women and getting Christopher attached to them and then these poor women kicking them out of his life and.
Speaker D:And traumatizing his son and terrorizing the women of la.
Speaker D:He does everything for Christopher.
Speaker D:He just never really talks about what he's doing with anybody.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Even Christopher.
Speaker D:Especially Christopher.
Speaker A:Especially Christopher.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But like, just imagine Eddie's life in the last, like, couple months.
Speaker A:He's lost Shannon.
Speaker A:He almost lost Buck.
Speaker A:He almost lost Christopher.
Speaker A:It's like one after the other after the other.
Speaker A:No wonder he needs to let off some steam.
Speaker A:That's a lot.
Speaker A:That's a lot of like.
Speaker A:Like losing and almost losing.
Speaker D:Well, he's also.
Speaker D:He's.
Speaker D:He's not that far out from his army time yet either.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker D:You know, like, he's just like.
Speaker D:That's his own ptsd.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's just so.
Speaker A:Poor Eddie.
Speaker A:It's so much just like hit after hit.
Speaker B:Give Eddie nice things, please.
Speaker D:Not yet.
Speaker D:Not yet.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:It's just so depressing to talk about.
Speaker D:Him, suffer a little bit more and then give him.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Things.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Let him experience some joy, you know?
Speaker D:Let him have the one dance, guys.
Speaker D:Give him the juice.
Speaker A:He has juice.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Meg mentioned the talk at.
Speaker B:At Buck Loft.
Speaker B:I don't know how much more we can say without.
Speaker A:I think we have to save that.
Speaker B:We gotta save that.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker B:Okay, we are.
Speaker B:We are now about the Buck as.
Speaker D:If we were always.
Speaker A:We are two things.
Speaker A:We are always about Buck and we were always.
Speaker A:And we are always about Eddie.
Speaker A:And it's because those things are the same thing.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker D:There are two men who want to crawl inside each other's skin until they are one person.
Speaker A:They want to hold each other in.
Speaker A:In pages, like.
Speaker A:Yet.
Speaker D:In a totally normal, platonic way, they want to crawl into each other.
Speaker B:So Buck bereft and bemoaning.
Speaker D:Bereft.
Speaker D:Bom.
Speaker B:I was trying to do the alliteration.
Speaker D:Bemoaning and bereft.
Speaker A:Buck bereft and beside himself.
Speaker B:Our man is.
Speaker B:Is going through the horrors.
Speaker B:Through the horrors.
Speaker A:Different horrors already gone through.
Speaker B:I think he would have preferred the other horrors, like, by far.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:He would have.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is saying a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So as.
Speaker A:As we've mentioned earlier, basically this whole.
Speaker B:Episode.
Speaker D:Episode.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker D:Do we all have carbon monoxide poisoning?
Speaker D:You guys.
Speaker B:You were.
Speaker D:You guys.
Speaker A:Which would be really impressive seeing as we're in four different locations.
Speaker A:No, it is.
Speaker A:It is Mercury retrograde.
Speaker A:It started today or yesterday?
Speaker B:Yesterday.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I told you, I.
Speaker B:It like, I was pretty sure.
Speaker A:Always tell.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Because you're ruled by mercury.
Speaker B:It's very unfortunate for you.
Speaker A:And I always end up going.
Speaker B:Anyways, so our.
Speaker B:Our friend Buck Buckley is.
Speaker B:Is just yelling his.
Speaker B:His lungs out trying to find Christopher and it's not going well.
Speaker A:And he's.
Speaker A:He's seeing him everywhere, or he thinks he's seeing him everywhere and it's not him.
Speaker A:But he's still, like, helping people.
Speaker A:And it's just like.
Speaker D:Because he's Buck.
Speaker A:Because he's Buck.
Speaker A:He's a man on a mission.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:He thinks he failed.
Speaker B:Doesn't he help the person?
Speaker B:Because he thinks.
Speaker B:Because they say it's a kid and he thinks it could be Christopher.
Speaker D:I mean, I think he would have helped no matter what.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:He was a little tunnel vision perhaps.
Speaker D:But, I mean, he was helping.
Speaker A:He was helping everyone else, like, get onto the.
Speaker A:The when he had Christopher engine.
Speaker B:That's when he had Christopher.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:Like, right now he doesn't.
Speaker B:I feel like maybe if they hadn't said, there's a kid here.
Speaker B:The dog ears were only attuned to, like, Christopher's voice or like, anything that could have been a clue to find him, perhaps.
Speaker D:But no, his hunt.
Speaker D:His hunt for Christopher is just.
Speaker D:I love it.
Speaker D:I love it.
Speaker D:It's so painful.
Speaker D:I love it so much.
Speaker D:It hurts.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, and so much of this just, like, seeing how exhausted, how he's.
Speaker A:Is getting himself hurt, because we see, like, when he lifts that sign or whatever off that he gets the cuts, and we know that he's on the blood thinners, how exhausted he is, but he is desperate and, like, totally honed in on this one goal.
Speaker A:And I think.
Speaker A:I think it's just kind of another example of Buck ignoring himself and his needs because his.
Speaker A:His ability to help and his, like, physical ability to help and search for Christopher takes priority.
Speaker A:So it's an.
Speaker A:So it's just like another one of those, like.
Speaker A:Well, he's still up and walking, first of all, miraculously, but he's still, like, up and able to search physically.
Speaker A:So he's going to continue doing it until he collapses, but it wouldn't collapse until he found Christopher, which we see.
Speaker D:But it's just like, no, that man is nothing but adrenaline.
Speaker B:He's on his feet by, like, sheer force of will.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, that's it.
Speaker A:But it's another like one of those.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker A:He's using him himself for his body and his physical ability to search for Christopher.
Speaker D:Oh, imagine what a disaster he'd be if he knew what he was born for before this.
Speaker D:If he knew that his purpose, his only purpose was to save people, was to save someone because his parents are shitty.
Speaker D:What A mess he would be.
Speaker D:He's like, I couldn't save Daniel now I can't save.
Speaker D:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Thank God he didn't know yet because that man would have crashed out so hard.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, I don't think it.
Speaker A:It can't get much worse than this.
Speaker A:Yet somehow with that knowledge, somehow it would be.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:And it's like.
Speaker A:And that is saying a lot.
Speaker D:He would tie it to his own self worth more than he's even already doing it because.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because he can't help it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:You should mention that because I know we're definitely going to see more of that going to ending season four anyway.
Speaker C:Because he does find out before the whole shooting.
Speaker C:And then when he has to break the news to Christopher.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because then.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's when like even with that, that, that news, then he's like, he treats himself more as expendable.
Speaker A:So then he.
Speaker A:He would just push himself even more than.
Speaker A:And he's pushing himself like as hard as I think he can.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:In this instance, like he's doing literally everything he can do, everything in his power and maybe a little more like, what more do you want from him.
Speaker D:For all of that to come up empty handed?
Speaker D:And I think, I think him going to the va, like going to the VA hospital.
Speaker D:And I think part of why he doesn't want to tell Eddie is because in his mind telling Eddie is him giving up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And Buck does not give up.
Speaker D:He never gives up.
Speaker D:And it would be beyond just telling his.
Speaker D:His best friend that his son is missing or dead.
Speaker D:It would be admitting that Buck failed.
Speaker D:And that Buck had not just failed, had given up, had stopped looking for it.
Speaker D:And that's why when he's calling Maddie and stuff, he's just like.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker D:I can't tell him.
Speaker D:I have to keep looking for Christopher.
Speaker D:There is a stone that's not.
Speaker D:That's unturned and I cannot stop doing it.
Speaker D:I can't stop.
Speaker A:I will not rest until I look at every possibility.
Speaker D:Is the human equivalent of the post office.
Speaker D:This.
Speaker A:Wait, that's actually incredible.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:No, that's actually.
Speaker A:Meg, that's.
Speaker A:That's kind of genius.
Speaker D:And that's why I'm the guest star.
Speaker A:You are your star, baby.
Speaker A:No, that's.
Speaker A:That's so true.
Speaker A:Because he will not.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:He would not give up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Until his body literally gave out on him.
Speaker A:He would run.
Speaker A:He would run his own body into the ground before he gave up.
Speaker B:So when he gets to the field hospital, he checks to see if Christopher is there.
Speaker B:And they say, no, check the black tent.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And that's when he.
Speaker B:That's when he called, kills Maddie because he's crashing out.
Speaker B:And I think that that was made worse because of his whole experience with the black tent in season one.
Speaker A:I was going to bring that up.
Speaker A:I'm so glad you picked up on that, too.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I really think that, like, that was a traumatizing experience and.
Speaker B:Because, like, he did that favor for Abby and it was fucked up of her to ask him.
Speaker D:Anyway.
Speaker D:Just your eyes.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker D:I don't think they could have gone further back in your head.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:But anyway, because he.
Speaker B:He did that for Abby and found the person there.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I think that's just in his head.
Speaker B:He's just like, well, if he looks there, Christopher's gonna be there.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:I think it's the same Schrodinger's cat.
Speaker D:Like, if he doesn't look in the morgue, then Christopher is not in the morgue.
Speaker A:He's not there.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:I really thought it was an interesting kind of callback to 104, which was worst day ever.
Speaker A:And I know, right?
Speaker A:Until yet, because it's just like that.
Speaker A:That was so early on in Buck's career as a firefighter and his first, like, major emergency like that, and it's just like, he.
Speaker A:He didn't have any personal stakes in that one.
Speaker A:He could, because he was doing the favor for Abby, so he already saw, like, how it affects other people, but he never really, you know, the shoe wasn't on the other foot.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker A:He didn't really, I think, have the wherewithal to.
Speaker A:To necessarily put himself wholly in.
Speaker A:In those people's shoes.
Speaker A:And it's just like.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's so much worse when it's like.
Speaker A:Like your emergency.
Speaker B:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:So, yeah, instead of.
Speaker B:Instead of checking, he calls Maddie and.
Speaker B:Because he's crashing the out and he's.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I think he's literally getting to the end of, like, where he could physically push himself, but he.
Speaker B:He's like, I need to, because I can't check the tent.
Speaker B:Like, what are the other options?
Speaker B:And then in the middle of Maddie trying to.
Speaker B:To, like, speak sense to him, he sees Eddie, hides and hides, and it's like, the most heartbreaking thing ever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:This was my favorite Maddie scene of this episode for sure.
Speaker D:And possibly the arc that.
Speaker D:And the one.
Speaker D:The one with the dude in the attic.
Speaker D:I think she.
Speaker D:Jennifer, Love, Hugh, just did such a good job in this scene of being.
Speaker B:Like, he's his father, like, yeah, you.
Speaker D:Have to tell him it's not about you, Buck.
Speaker D:And I think in that moment, like, Buck is so wrapped up in his own grief and pain that I think it's hard for him to see that.
Speaker A:He can't put him.
Speaker A:He can't.
Speaker A:He doesn't want to bring about it in another perspective.
Speaker D:Well, he doesn't want to bring Eddie into this nightmare that he's living.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:He wants to.
Speaker A:And he's doing that to try to protect Eddie.
Speaker A:And it's coming from a place of love, but it's also like, you're gonna have to.
Speaker A:You're gonna have to tell him.
Speaker A:Yeah, And I thought it was really interesting because, like, this is.
Speaker A:Well, I wrote this the other week and I said this is like, the only time he ever outright hides from Eddie in avoidance.
Speaker A:Well, since then, 809 has come out and we see him do.
Speaker A:Do, like the.
Speaker A:Well, let me, like, run out of the kitchen and hide and like.
Speaker D:But I think.
Speaker A:But I think that's.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker D:Because he was spying.
Speaker A:Because he was spying.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I think even with that new knowledge, I think it is very interesting that now.
Speaker A:Now we have a little bit of a pattern.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:It wasn't just one instance.
Speaker A:Now we have it kind of happening again.
Speaker A:The circumstances are different, obviously, but it's Buck hiding from Eddie because of something that he doesn't want him to know.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:And it's like, how.
Speaker A:Well, in.
Speaker A:In.
Speaker A:In 809, it's a little different.
Speaker B:I feel like they're tangentially related.
Speaker B:Like, I think, yes.
Speaker B:Not, like, directly, but like, no, but, like, subconsciously.
Speaker B:I feel like.
Speaker B:I don't know if Buck was even thinking about this, but, like, some part of him was probably, like, as soon as I tell Eddie, that's it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I, Like, I lose him.
Speaker B:I lose him.
Speaker D:Right?
Speaker B:And then when he's hiding, he's like, I lost him.
Speaker B:And apparently I don't mean anything to him.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:I think that is the connection.
Speaker A:It's the fear of losing Eddie or the fear of having already lost him once he faces the reality of the situation.
Speaker A:And that is those are the only times he's.
Speaker A:He hides and he avoids like this when he is afraid of that loss.
Speaker A:Ooh, we're so smart.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker D:How hard could it be?
Speaker A:Boys do it.
Speaker B:So then he's still trying to hide, but Eddie sees him and then he's left with no choice and he's trying to tell him, but, like, Buck can't even say it.
Speaker B:And I don't think he's even stalling.
Speaker B:I just think he, like, literally can't get himself for the words.
Speaker B:No, for sure.
Speaker B:He can't make himself say the.
Speaker B:Say the words.
Speaker B:And he's trying.
Speaker B:Try.
Speaker B:He's just, like, rambling on what he's probably been saying in his head all day, which is like, I had him.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker B:I had him.
Speaker A:Like, how do you even.
Speaker A:He wouldn't have even practiced in his head of what to say because that means that it would have been one thing or another.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, it means it would have been real.
Speaker A:So I don't think he even, like, okay, this is what I'm gonna have to say to Eddie.
Speaker A:No, it's just like, he can't comprehend it.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker C:And let's be real.
Speaker C:I mean, he.
Speaker C:If.
Speaker C:If Eddie hadn't spotted.
Speaker C:If no one had spotted him, he would have kept looking until.
Speaker C:Wouldn't stop.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which wouldn't have been that much longer.
Speaker C:True.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:He was.
Speaker D:He was kind of at the end of his room, his stuff there at that point.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But, yeah, I don't think he was stalling.
Speaker D:I think he just.
Speaker D:He couldn't get the words out because it's just.
Speaker D:It's unthinkable.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And if he does, like, you know, speak those words into existence, and then that's really, like.
Speaker C:I guess that feels to him like giving up.
Speaker D:Like, that's it.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's giving.
Speaker A:It's solidifying the fact that he failed, that he gave up, that Eddie doesn't have a Chris, that Buck wouldn't have an Eddie or Chris or a Chris.
Speaker A:So, like, that domino effect of, like, speaking that into existence just makes all of it too real and can't deal with that.
Speaker D:And on top of it, who wants to give someone the worst news of their life?
Speaker A:Who wants to be responsible for that?
Speaker D:Even outside of the bucket Eddie and the body of it all, like, who wants to be the person who has to give that.
Speaker D:That news to anybody?
Speaker D:Like.
Speaker A:And we've seen that before in the show.
Speaker A:I think there was.
Speaker A:There were a couple episodes, namely, I think I'm thinking of Haunted207, where one of the themes was, like, next of kin sort of thing.
Speaker A:So, like, Athena went over and told the.
Speaker A:The wife that the hiker had actually passed away.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I think that was the one also where hen was dealing with her dad.
Speaker A:So a bunch of that stuff.
Speaker A:So like, we've seen that in the show and it's.
Speaker A:It's tough.
Speaker A:That's so, like, not even covering it.
Speaker A:Yeah, but those were people that they didn't really, like, know.
Speaker B:So then, you know, Eddie sees Christopher.
Speaker B:He goes over there, and then Buck finally sees Christopher and like, like the.
Speaker B:The rest of the 118 see Buck and he's just like.
Speaker B:He doesn't hear or see them.
Speaker A:Not at all.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Like, Christopher is the only thing that exists in that moment.
Speaker B:And he just like the pure relief and amazement and like, astonishment like, flooding his face is insane.
Speaker D:And I think that's really when he allowed himself to examine once, knowing that Christopher was safe, allowing himself to examine and look at Christopher not being.
Speaker D:Potentially not being safe.
Speaker D:Because I think that's something that he couldn't even really look at.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:That whole time.
Speaker D:Because, like, we talk about this manifesting and not wanting to speak it into existence and stuff like that.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But that horror of the.
Speaker D:What if?
Speaker D:In the immediate afterlife aftermath of the relief, I think.
Speaker D:And like, he just.
Speaker D:Like I said, it's like his.
Speaker D:His strings are cut.
Speaker D:He just completely collapses.
Speaker D:And I love the fact that he doesn't need to explain anything to anyone at the 118.
Speaker D:They see Eddie hugging Christopher.
Speaker D:They see this disaster of a man named Bob.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker D:And they.
Speaker D:And, And I think they.
Speaker D:They can infer what happened.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:In that situation.
Speaker D:I'm sure they talk about it later and stuff like that.
Speaker A:But they did know that, like, Buck was hanging out with Christopher.
Speaker D:That's what I mean, though.
Speaker D:They knew that.
Speaker B:They just like, Bobby just asks, are you two okay?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then just.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And Jim's the one who has to try and catch this, like, hunk of muscle of.
Speaker D:He's like, yeah, we're great.
Speaker B:And then he just like, yeah, it's like, I'm great.
Speaker B:I can.
Speaker B:I can die now.
Speaker A:Pretty much.
Speaker D:Pretty much.
Speaker C:I don't blame him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:I think you're absolutely right, Meg.
Speaker A:I think he kind of collapses as much in exhaustion, injury, slash, blood loss, relief.
Speaker A:But also like just the terror.
Speaker A:Like letting the terror of everything that kind of just occurred kind of like wash over him.
Speaker D:So that trauma.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:And like, also, can we just say the acting in this scene.
Speaker A:I mean, the acting for the whole.
Speaker A:For the whole thing.
Speaker A:But, like, particularly the scene between Buck and Eddie is so good.
Speaker A:Like the way Buck is stuttering and stumbling and can't get the words out and the way Eddie is just kind of like, letting those words like, start to wash over him while also trying to maintain any semblance of composure, which is like, rapidly deteriorating with like the tears in his eyes and just.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The amount of.
Speaker B:The amount of things conveyed with like.
Speaker D:Like very little words and just the really small nods that Eddie's doing and like bringing expressions.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:His lips and like the whole.
Speaker D:The whole thing of him.
Speaker D:They're both trying to just hold their lives together with a really frayed strain.
Speaker D:Like rope in that moment.
Speaker D:And it's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:So good.
Speaker D:I live for it.
Speaker D:This is the angst I live for.
Speaker B:So the next time we see bugs, he's sitting.
Speaker B:He's sitting at his dining room table.
Speaker D:Doing something, I don't know, with the corona.
Speaker B:He's like, dissociating, but also, like, looks very contemplative, but, like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know, like, what's going through his head?
Speaker B:Like, I watched that.
Speaker B:I was wondering, trying to think about it.
Speaker B:I was like, is the.
Speaker B:Is the.
Speaker B:The voiceover literally what's going through his head?
Speaker A:Head.
Speaker B:Is that what's actually going through his head right now?
Speaker A:I think that's too self aware for him right now.
Speaker B:I know we rag on him for not being self aware.
Speaker B:I think he's pretty self aware.
Speaker B:He's not self aware.
Speaker A:Self aware.
Speaker A:He's not self reflective.
Speaker A:He's never.
Speaker C:I am reflect.
Speaker B:He's not self reflective on feelings on him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Eddie.
Speaker D:I think it's one of those things where I think he got home, took a shower, had tried to have a beer.
Speaker D:Because we see the.
Speaker D:We see a beer next to him and it's the morning.
Speaker D:So my guess is he sat down to have that beer and started thinking about everything that happened.
Speaker D:Because he didn't process any of it.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker D:While he was going through it.
Speaker D:And I think he's just running through scenarios probably in his brain in a lot of ways and just kind of of trying to wrap his head around what happened.
Speaker D:Like, not just what happened to him, but what happened in general.
Speaker D:And I don't think that man slept.
Speaker D:That's my process.
Speaker D:I think he sat on that chair and he was just like, I'm gonna have a beer and I'm gonna decompress a little bit after this, after they let me out of the hospital.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Now that you said that, maybe he's thinking about all of the waste, that this is what I would do.
Speaker B:Think about all the ways that he could have have correctly gone about yesterday.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, it's having the argument with Your, like, in your head after it's already happened, like, this is the right answer.
Speaker D:And him thinking about all the different ways that he could have.
Speaker D:And he still sees himself as a failure at this point.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:He still thinks he's.
Speaker B:Chris is alive.
Speaker B:But he.
Speaker D:Yes, but he failed.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:And Chris is alive in spite of Buck, not because of Buck.
Speaker D:Buck in his head.
Speaker D:And I think that's the kind of stuff that would.
Speaker D:For.
Speaker D:That's the.
Speaker D:That would keep me up at night.
Speaker D:And I'm not as, like, the same person as Buck as some people on this podcast are.
Speaker B:You mean at the beginning of the podcast when I said we're 80% the same person?
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's what I was bringing it up.
Speaker D:I'm bringing it back around full circle.
Speaker D:Oh.
Speaker D:But that's the kind of spiral that, That I would also be going through as a fellow cancer.
Speaker A:That makes sense to me.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I kind of think it would probably be thinking as.
Speaker A:As much of like, well, what could I have done in that situation?
Speaker A:As much as he's probably thinking, what if I actually took Chris to the movies?
Speaker D:What if we went to the zoo?
Speaker D:Do.
Speaker A:What if we did literally anything else and it was just like they had to go to the pier.
Speaker A:So I think he's also like, churning that.
Speaker A:Yeah, that over and over again.
Speaker A:And like, that's just so self destructive.
Speaker B:He's writing fiction in his head of all of the different scenarios and like, how they would have played out.
Speaker B:And he's not doing it in a way to, like, escape.
Speaker B:He's doing in a way to, like, self further.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:Further blame himself.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:All of it is his fault.
Speaker D:Fault.
Speaker D:He didn't take Christopher somewhere else.
Speaker D:Yeah, he did.
Speaker D:Like, he doesn't deserve to feel good.
Speaker B:About the fact that Chris is okay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Until finally Eddie.
Speaker B:Which I can't talk about most of that.
Speaker B:I can't talk about most of that until.
Speaker B:Slow burn in a couple minutes.
Speaker B:I did really just want to point out.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, it's insane.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:There is almost no way you can talk about that outside of like, like, yeah, the slippers.
Speaker B:I did just want to point out one thing, which is the very last thing that Eddie says to him before he, like, closes the door, which is thank you for not giving up.
Speaker B:Because that's.
Speaker B:That's Buck.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Which I.
Speaker B:I felt very much was a thank you for being Buck.
Speaker B:And then my brain was like, oh, it's Buck begins when, you know, I'm sure whoever they were, they were glad that you were being Buck and he's like, I don't even know what that means.
Speaker B:She says, you never give up.
Speaker B:That's what Buck.
Speaker B:That's what being Buck means to me.
Speaker B:But whatever you do, don't stop.
Speaker B:Don't stop.
Speaker B:Like, don't stop being you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Look at that growth from the first episode.
Speaker A:I love how I just got like goosebumps while we were saying that.
Speaker A:I'm fine.
Speaker A:I'm fine.
Speaker A:I'm fine.
Speaker A:Wipes tears.
Speaker A:I'm fine.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:I cried the four times today that I played back at the end of that scene.
Speaker B:I'm fine.
Speaker B:I'm totally normal when I watch this episode, guys.
Speaker B:Totally normal.
Speaker D:Same.
Speaker A:I'm fine.
Speaker A:It's okay.
Speaker B:Anything else to say about book that doesn't go in our Frankenstein section?
Speaker A:I don't think it's possible for us with the way that we have structured our own show.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So anyway, I know normally we do a scene dissection and you would think the scene dissection should be the ending scene with Buck and Eddie.
Speaker B:And you're correct.
Speaker B:But guess what?
Speaker B:That shit is gay.
Speaker B:There's no way for us to do si do around that.
Speaker B:So we are having a special edition of scene dissection and Slow Burn combined.
Speaker B:There will still be a couple other things in Slow Burn, but I guess we're calling this like, where's the slow burn?
Speaker A:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker A:Where's the slow burn?
Speaker A:It's in front of your eyes.
Speaker A:Yeah, right there.
Speaker D:It.
Speaker B:It's here.
Speaker D:It's here, it's here.
Speaker D:Hey.
Speaker C:Where'S the.
Speaker B:All right, well.
Speaker B:Well, first and foremost, because I couldn't talk about this where I would normally talk about Needle drops up because it's.
Speaker D:Gay.
Speaker B:Is Sil's favorite song.
Speaker A:Number one photograph lover.
Speaker B:Photographed by Ed Sheeran.
Speaker B:And I'm sure that if you're listening to this podcast, you've like heard that.
Speaker B:That song.
Speaker B:But like, just.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:Cuz we're gonna go over a few of the choice lines and specifically the ones that are playing when we start looking at Buck because it starts playing when we start hearing Buck's voiceover.
Speaker B:But we don't get to Buck until the scene in his loft and start.
Speaker A:Playing when Maddie and Charlie are at like the memorial, I think, right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So it's like plative already and just kind of like, okay, let's heal, huh?
Speaker D:To wrap this sucker up.
Speaker B:All of these lyrics so fucking applicable to Buck and Eddie.
Speaker B:So applicable.
Speaker B:There's no way that this can't be on purpose, man.
Speaker B:I'm so sorry.
Speaker A:I know that you.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:You guys earlier were like, this stuff wasn't on purpose.
Speaker B:Okay, explain.
Speaker B:Phonograph here.
Speaker B:Explain.
Speaker B:Explain.
Speaker B:This photograph happening right here while this part of the monologue is happening.
Speaker B:When we get to book, the lyrics are, when I'm away, I will remember how you kissed me under the lamppost back on 6th Street.
Speaker B:Hearing you whisper through the phone wait for me to come home, and then Eddie knocks on the fucking door.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker D:To be clear, I said Bosco wasn't.
Speaker B:Bosco.
Speaker B:Wait, what?
Speaker D:Lena wasn't.
Speaker D:The part where they're like that.
Speaker D:Never mind.
Speaker D:Fine.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker D:I'm just.
Speaker D:I'm defending my honor.
Speaker A:Oh, the.
Speaker A:Lena wasn't intentionally, like, there to highlight the, like.
Speaker B:Oh, the differences between the weird.
Speaker D:The weird.
Speaker B:Okay, okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker D:This one.
Speaker D:This is very intentional.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker B:We're all very aware that this is intentional because every part.
Speaker B:Every part of making TV is intentional just by nature.
Speaker B:But, like, when you're in post production, that becomes even more so when you.
Speaker A:Have the music playing certain lines and then it stops.
Speaker B:This specific part of where a song is playing when a specific part of a scene is happening.
Speaker B:Super intentional.
Speaker D:Now, it definitely pinged with me when.
Speaker D:The first time I ever saw it when it first aired, and I was just like.
Speaker D:Like, especially the wait for me to come home and then Eddie, like, then the knock at the door, and I didn't know who it was going to be at the time.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker D:But then when it was Eddie, I was like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So I will say two things.
Speaker B:The first one is that, like, almost the rest of this song, I think, specifically the verses.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All the verses contain the word love or lovin.
Speaker B:The outro.
Speaker B:And the chorus doesn't.
Speaker B:So what we get is the outro, which is like a little.
Speaker B:A little combo of, like, what the chorus would be.
Speaker B:They could have gone with the word lovin, which they did actually know the rest of the rest of the shots that we were getting, other than big sister Maddie with not her actual brother who almost bled out.
Speaker B:So this was a choice.
Speaker B:This was a choice voice.
Speaker B:Where was I going with this?
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Would have been romantic.
Speaker B:So, like, I think it's worse, though, because they picked the only part of the song that mentions kissing.
Speaker D:It's just.
Speaker A:It's a very romantic song.
Speaker B:It is a romantic song.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:I know it says wait for me.
Speaker A:To come home a lot in the.
Speaker B:Song, but, like, just.
Speaker A:Just the way that they had it.
Speaker A:It specifically With.
Speaker A:With this verse where it's like, I remember how you wait for me to come home.
Speaker A:It's like, it's that explicit, bringing in, like, actionable, romantic things rather than, like, familial love, platonic love, you know, because, like, you can talk about love in the other person in, like, any way, but this is, like, how else are you gonna take that?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:It's also just, like, setting up what we already knew, which is that, like, Eddie and Christopher are Buck's home.
Speaker B:They're his home.
Speaker B:And then this was just insane work because not only was that the part of the song they were playing, but the part of the voiceover, the monologue that Buck is saying that happens during that is sometimes being lost is not knowing how to get from where we are to where we want to be, where we need to be.
Speaker A:This monologue is so wild.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:Eddie and Chris are not a want, it's a need.
Speaker D:Sounds pretty straight to me, guys.
Speaker A:I think you mean straightforwardly.
Speaker D:Hey, I don't.
Speaker D:I don't see what you guys are talking about with these two.
Speaker D:I don't understand it.
Speaker D:What's this podcast called?
Speaker B:That's just insane.
Speaker B:That's insane.
Speaker A:So, so much of this monologue is so interesting because it covers a lot.
Speaker A:But, like, the way.
Speaker A:The way they decided to break it up, the way they decided to parse out that entire speech and is one.
Speaker A:I mean, that's 100% intentional.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's connecting where we want to be, where we need to be, and that is home.
Speaker A:Which for all three of them means the same thing.
Speaker A:That, like, together is where Chris and Eddie and Buck need to be, because together is their home.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, for all of them.
Speaker D:Then you pair it with Ed Sheeran, and it's just.
Speaker A:The only thing they don't do is.
Speaker D:The kissing, like, clawing up the walls.
Speaker B:I would argue kissing would be less gay than whatever the.
Speaker B:They did 100.
Speaker A:It's giving profound bond.
Speaker B:The gaze.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:The fucking gazing into each other's eyes.
Speaker B:Why are they so.
Speaker B:They're always so close, but it's so, like, when they're having these literal, like.
Speaker B:Like, the way they hold eye contact with each other is, like, actually criminal.
Speaker D:Well, and if I remember correctly, Eddie does the little, like, catch your eye.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:When he tells him the line.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:That is, like.
Speaker B:You're gonna listen to me while I say this.
Speaker D:Like, that's so.
Speaker D:That's so romantic.
Speaker A:That is one of my favorite things about this entire scene and this entire Scene is like.
Speaker A:Like insanely amazing and enjoyable to watch.
Speaker A:But like, that moving to maintain the eye contact.
Speaker A:We already saw when Buck was trying to tell Eddie that he lost Christopher.
Speaker A:I mean, Eddie was, like, direct eye contact.
Speaker A:I forget if Buck was, like, directly contact eye contact or if he was.
Speaker D:Like, looking around and, like, Eddie was avoiding eye contact.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, that's right.
Speaker D:When.
Speaker D:When Buck was trying to tell him about Christopher, he was looking anywhere and.
Speaker A:That'S why he saw Chris.
Speaker B:He was, like, looking at him and then nodding and looking away and then, like, would look back up at him like his eyes were flitting all over the place.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that's.
Speaker D:But you're right.
Speaker D:That's why he saw Chris.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So it is interesting that there's such a.
Speaker A:An emphasis on maintained eye contact even when the other one looks away, Even when Buck is trying to escape that.
Speaker A:That, like, zoning in, like, the focus.
Speaker B:The thing Buck wants most is to be seen, but he doesn't want to be seen because he's like, Eddie is going to look at me like I'm a failure.
Speaker B:Because that's what he feels like.
Speaker D:I think.
Speaker D:I think he wants to be punished.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Feels like he should be.
Speaker D:He feels.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I think the last.
Speaker D:Like he's trying to.
Speaker D:He doesn't want to look at Eddie because he doesn't want to hear Eddie say thank you for, in Buck's mind, failing him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:He doesn't want Eddie's thanks for losing his kid.
Speaker A:He doesn't want to be seen because he.
Speaker A:He knows Eddie sees him.
Speaker A:Him pretty much more than anybody else.
Speaker A:But he doesn't want to be seen for who he thinks he is.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is a failure.
Speaker A:Which is, you know, the worst.
Speaker D:I think.
Speaker B: ck more than Almost any other: Speaker B:And knows him better than anyone else.
Speaker B:Anyone else.
Speaker B:Including his sister.
Speaker D:Including Buck.
Speaker D:Well, yeah, especially Buck.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So I'm just gonna read it because it's not long and then just interrupt as you want to say things.
Speaker B:So Buck says, you want me to watch Christopher?
Speaker B:It's easy.
Speaker B:He's not very fast.
Speaker D:Oh, my God, I love it so much.
Speaker A:He's so funny.
Speaker B:Between the two of us, he's never built anything that really looks like anything.
Speaker B:He's gonna.
Speaker D:He's such a.
Speaker D:And I love it.
Speaker B:His ears work perfectly right there.
Speaker A:It's right there.
Speaker D:I could just hear Christopher if he was a little older, being like.
Speaker D:Yeah, you don't really cook anything that looks like anything.
Speaker D:You just, like, just stand in the kitchen.
Speaker D:That's like, teen crap.
Speaker D:Chris, right there.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, that would be a fantastic parallel.
Speaker B:Oh, that would be funny.
Speaker D:Eddie gets hurt, and Chris drops Eddie off with Buck.
Speaker D:He doesn't really cook anything that looks like anything.
Speaker D:He just likes to stand in the kitchen.
Speaker B:So Buck is avoiding any of the funny things that he has said, which are actively hilarious.
Speaker B:They're actively hilarious.
Speaker B:But he goes after everything that happened.
Speaker B:And Eddie's like, a natural disaster happened.
Speaker D:Buck, thank God.
Speaker B:And Buck's like, that's no excuse.
Speaker B:And his head.
Speaker B:He's like, that's no excuse.
Speaker B:I lost him.
Speaker B:Eddie gonna circle back to the part where Eddie said it was a natural disaster.
Speaker B:Like the.
Speaker B:The audacity of Buck Buckley.
Speaker B:And people like him, definitely not me.
Speaker B:To think that they're responsible for things that, like.
Speaker B:Like literally no person could control.
Speaker D:But I think it says so much about Eddie because it'd be so easy for Eddie to hold on to that.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:To.
Speaker D:To hold on to resentment or to feel the same way that Buck is feeling.
Speaker D:Or even in a.
Speaker D:Like, and not even intentionally place some blame on Christopher being in so much danger when he was with Buck.
Speaker D:I mean, parents who lose.
Speaker D:Parents who lose kids.
Speaker D:Kids blame each other in a lot of ways, and few marriages ever survive it.
Speaker D:And obviously they're not married yet.
Speaker D:Yet.
Speaker D:Yet.
Speaker D:I said it.
Speaker A:We're gonna stand by this, too.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But his ability to come in there and not only make light and make jokes and stuff like that, to try and help Buck, help stop Buck's spiral, but to, in his own brain, believe it.
Speaker D:Like, he's not just saying this to make Buck feel better.
Speaker D:He feels it and he believes it.
Speaker D:And that's what makes Buck able to even try to move on.
Speaker D:And I think that says a lot about Eddie's character as just a person, because I think I know myself well enough to know that that would be really difficult for me to do.
Speaker D:And just able to.
Speaker D:First of all, I cannot believe this man is able to leave his child the next day.
Speaker D:Like, I would call in sick, but I understand.
Speaker D:But I think the fact that he believes it is what's the most important part of it.
Speaker D:And it's.
Speaker D:Like I said, it just.
Speaker D:It speaks a lot to who Eddie is as a person that he's able to reassure Buck that was a natural disaster.
Speaker D:And, Buck, you're not gone bad.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And like, Eddie.
Speaker C:Eddie is the type of person who also, like, treats him with grace and Gentleness.
Speaker C:Because he knows that book, like, internally.
Speaker C:He's, like, literally beating himself up for what has happened.
Speaker C:That he, like, he just needs to make sure, like, he's made that connection.
Speaker C:That one.
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker C:It wasn't your fault.
Speaker D:Fault.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And to reassure him that.
Speaker C:Well, yeah, that he.
Speaker C:That there's no one else that.
Speaker C:That he would trust.
Speaker C:Trust his son with more than Buck.
Speaker A:Which is.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's wild that, like, even for knowing each other for, like, a year.
Speaker A:Ish.
Speaker A:Eddie knows exactly how to get through to Buck in a way that, like, is going to be heard and how to.
Speaker A:How to really, truly, like, like, ground him.
Speaker A:And because Buck is, like, basically blaming himself for a tsunami, which.
Speaker D:Which, like, if he hadn't been at the pier, the tsunami wouldn't have happened.
Speaker B:Wouldn't have happened.
Speaker A:Obviously, it's because he was there.
Speaker C:Like, the tsunami was after him.
Speaker B:I mean, a lot of things are after him.
Speaker A:I mean, and also, like, you know, acts of God a little bit.
Speaker B:So Buck says, I lost him.
Speaker B:Eddie.
Speaker B:Eddie says, no, you saved him.
Speaker B:That's how he remembers it.
Speaker B:Which I think is the beginning of him starting to get through.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Because it's not even Eddie being like, that's not how I see it.
Speaker B:That's not.
Speaker B:That's not the reality.
Speaker B:Like, he's not even using logic.
Speaker B:He's using.
Speaker B:He's using Buck logic.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I could just.
Speaker B:It's so clear, like, with the way he's talking in here.
Speaker B:Because this is not how you logic with, like, a logical person, how you.
Speaker A:Logic with an illogical person.
Speaker B:Yes, exactly.
Speaker B:So Buck says, I lost him at Eddie.
Speaker B:No, you saved him.
Speaker B:That's how he remembers it.
Speaker B:Then tender music starts playing.
Speaker B:And do you know how I know that?
Speaker B:Because the transcript of the captions, so interesting.
Speaker A:You still tender.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And he says, and now it's his turn to do the same for you.
Speaker B:And Buck says, I was supposed to look out for him.
Speaker B:And he says, and what, you think you failed?
Speaker B:I failed that kid more times than I care to count.
Speaker B:And I'm his father, but I love him enough to never stop trying.
Speaker B:And I know you do, too.
Speaker D:These are not light words.
Speaker B:They are not.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:That's everything.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's interesting, too now that, like when we talked about, you know, when we think Eddie decided that Buck would do anything for Christopher, and it's when.
Speaker A:When Christopher said that he was looking for Buck or.
Speaker A:Or the lady said that Christopher was looking for Buck.
Speaker A:It's interesting then that that's what changes for Eddie or what we're going with.
Speaker A:And it's interesting then, that it's basically the same thing for Buck because Christopher thinks that Buck saved him.
Speaker B:Him.
Speaker A:So that's when that perspective changes for both of them.
Speaker A:And it just really aligns how, like, united they are about their love for Christopher.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker D:And that's definitely not going to tell Christopher that Christopher's wrong.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Because Christopher is always right.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:So it's one of those things where it's like he has to kind of like, fine, I accept it.
Speaker D:It.
Speaker D:Because of Christopher and because.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:He's not going to tell Christopher that he's wrong and he's not going to put any more trauma on his poor boy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Who's so resilient like Nemo, he'd rather.
Speaker B:Get crushed by another fire truck than invalidate Christopher's feelings.
Speaker D:For sure.
Speaker D:Especially given what we know about Buck's own upbringing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Oh, that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker B:I just think it's insane because this is literally.
Speaker B:I mean, first of all, again, it's.
Speaker B:It's just like.
Speaker B:Like the Horse whisperer, but the Buckwhisperer.
Speaker A:That's what he is, though.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:He is the Buckwhisperer.
Speaker B:But it's also just insane because is the.
Speaker B:The writers literally being, like, having Eddie say, I know that you care about my son the same way I do do.
Speaker A:Same way.
Speaker B:They're literally.
Speaker B:And we knew that they were setting him up as.
Speaker B:As Eddie, as.
Speaker B:As Christopher's dad.
Speaker B:We knew that they were doing that already because of the first episode.
Speaker A:This whole season is about.
Speaker A:Season is about relationship.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:But it's just.
Speaker B:So then Eddie says, says Buck, and then he pauses and he waits until Buck makes eye contact with him.
Speaker B:Him with the hand on his shoulder with the, like, thumb on his.
Speaker B:When we were done watching that episode, I, like, I got as close as they are to each other, and I did that.
Speaker B:I was like, this is how you stand normally with your friends and talk to them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And he was like, oh, yeah, totally.
Speaker A:Right answer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:If we.
Speaker A:If we had a nickel for every significant, like, shoulder touch we had in our fandom.
Speaker D:An eye catching.
Speaker D:Like, it immediately made me think of Dean and Cass.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:In the green room.
Speaker D:Like, just.
Speaker D:That was the first.
Speaker B:Is it the same goddamn shoulder?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Same shoulder.
Speaker D:Same move to catch the eye.
Speaker D:Like, I like how I'm just gonna move my head around like a snake.
Speaker A:Now we're all doing it except for the snake.
Speaker B:She's like, you all are too much.
Speaker A:She's.
Speaker A:He's waiting to strike.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So then he finally catches his eye and says, there's nobody in this world I trust with my son more than you, bro.
Speaker D:What?
Speaker A:That's huge, bro.
Speaker D:What?
Speaker B:I know that your parents are terrible, but, like, Peppa, Abuela, Carla, and you just.
Speaker B:And you just mentioned Abuela and Carla.
Speaker B:You're like, you're no car.
Speaker B:Like, you're no Abuela, and you're half a Carla.
Speaker B:But there's no one.
Speaker B:I treated trust with my son more than you.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:In the homosexual audacity I know, it.
Speaker C:Keeps saying, like, no one else could.
Speaker C:Could put themselves through what Buck did during all of this.
Speaker C:So literally, like, Buck would do anything.
Speaker C:Which is actually kind of funny when you think about it.
Speaker A:No, because, like.
Speaker C:No, it's kind of funny because I.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I just had one of those, like, little, like, flashbacks to 809 and where Eddie's like, oh, you would do that for me?
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Do you not.
Speaker B:Do you not see?
Speaker B:Do you want a laundry list of the this guy has done for you?
Speaker C:Real?
Speaker D:Like, he saw you and decided, that one's mine.
Speaker D:I'm going to insert myself so deeply in this man's life that he can't.
Speaker D:He can't leave me.
Speaker D:And I feel like that's what Buck.
Speaker D:His whole thing was like, he got so close because he's like, he can't.
Speaker D:I can't.
Speaker D:If I'm so intertwined in their life, he can't leave.
Speaker D:Oh, now I made myself sad.
Speaker B:And then again, he says, thank you for not giving up when he leaves.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's the dialogue.
Speaker B:But then.
Speaker B:But then.
Speaker B:But then.
Speaker B:But then we get the last line of the voiceover.
Speaker B:Because there wasn't enough before this.
Speaker B:No, no, there wasn't.
Speaker B:The last line is after Eddie said all of this.
Speaker B:A few choice words can sometimes be the life raft that gets you home.
Speaker B:Home to be seen, to be found.
Speaker B:Isn't that what we're all searching for?
Speaker D:Best friends?
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I mean, what do you mean?
Speaker D:What does it mean?
Speaker D:It's like a double rainbow.
Speaker A:What does it mean.
Speaker B:That gets you home to be seen?
Speaker B:Which we keep saying is all Buck has ever wanted.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:I started this whole section saying Eddie sees him more than anyone else does.
Speaker A:And Buck, we've said that since last se.
Speaker A:Since season one.
Speaker B:Yeah, we've been saying that.
Speaker B:But, like, I meant just specifically here, like, in the context of the voiceover in this this episode.
Speaker B:But yeah, we've been saying that forever.
Speaker B:Because he felt lost.
Speaker B:Because he's been feeling lost his whole life.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Especially with what we know now of how like, transient he was.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Looking for that home.
Speaker A:And additionally the.
Speaker A:The mention of the life raft right after he and Chris.
Speaker A:He and Christopher were clinging on to that fire engine in that literal and meta.
Speaker A:Metaphorical sense.
Speaker A:But it's like it wasn't just the fire engine or the idea of firefighting that is the life raft.
Speaker A:It is Christopher and Eddie that are his life raft because they are his home.
Speaker A:So like, by clinging on to one of them, he finds his way back home and vice versa.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's like all of that tied together the.
Speaker A:The life raft which was him and Christopher waiting for them to come home.
Speaker A:With the song with Eddie and Christopher again, like, well, and I don't know how they.
Speaker A:How they wanted us to take this otherwise.
Speaker D:Well.
Speaker D:And then with.
Speaker D:With the Christopher like.
Speaker D:But that monologue can apply to Christopher too.
Speaker D:Like Christopher being found, Christopher finding his home.
Speaker D:Christopher seeing Buck as.
Speaker D:As home.
Speaker D:Because that kid walked in and just got back and it just.
Speaker D:He just walked into the house, got comfortable, and he just started playing video games while his dad's making fun of him and his Lego abilities.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker D:But it.
Speaker D:It does bring in that they are all a family and they're all interconnected with each other.
Speaker D:Even beyond how buck views the 118 as his family.
Speaker A:They are separate.
Speaker A:A separate entity.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:It's not just the 118 family.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:Eddie and Christopher in the 118.
Speaker B:So I'd like to draw some very quick parallels to that.
Speaker B:That last line, specifically in 5:18.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Ravi says, isn't that all we want in a partner?
Speaker B:Knowing that they have your back?
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker B:And I think it's later in the episode.
Speaker B:Or is it earlier?
Speaker B:I haven't watched it in a while.
Speaker B:Buck says, so every day is the best day ever.
Speaker B:Is that really love he's talking to Maddie about, like her and him dating.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Shouldn't it be when you're at your worst and they're at their worst, you have every reason to give up and you still decide you want to try again.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:This is.
Speaker D:You don't find it.
Speaker D:You make is absolutely these.
Speaker B:And this is how I know that Buck never self reflects because he's literally saying, this is what I think love is.
Speaker B:This is what I think love is.
Speaker B:And then that monologue voiceover, which, like, I think is.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know if everyone thinks this, but I think in this show that the voiceover monologues are the character's internal monologue that they're saying.
Speaker D:So for sure.
Speaker A:Kind of like you're reading a book.
Speaker A:That kind of internal monologue.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:So the fact that, like, he thought.
Speaker B:In my head, he thought this.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:In season three about.
Speaker A:And doesn't.
Speaker B:About Eddie and Chris.
Speaker B:And then says this, like, two years later, and there's just, like.
Speaker B:No dots are.
Speaker B:No dots are connecting.
Speaker A:Well, between the.
Speaker A:You don't find it.
Speaker A:You make it.
Speaker A:And then this and then.
Speaker A:That's insane.
Speaker A:It's like, no, he really didn't connect.
Speaker D:And he's.
Speaker B:I think he's like, the universe is screaming at you, and you refuse to listen.
Speaker B:Bro, I'm gonna need you to look in the mirror advice.
Speaker B:Look in the mirror.
Speaker D:I think that's a thing that he's just never let himself examine.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:You know, like, no, he doesn't let himself examine that.
Speaker A:And, like, in a different way that Eddie doesn't let himself examine certain things.
Speaker D:That's too risky for Buck until I think we get to now abouts where.
Speaker B:I don't think he can avoid it anymore.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker D:Yeah, I think.
Speaker D:Think.
Speaker D:I don't think any of us can avoid it anymore.
Speaker D:I don't under.
Speaker D:Like, I don't understand how anyone is closing.
Speaker D:I don't understand anyway.
Speaker B:Truly.
Speaker A:So close, y'all.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I mean, that's just like.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:And we'll talk about it when we get to, like, 5.
Speaker A:18.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But that whole quote about, like, you know, having knowing someone has your back.
Speaker A:Like, literally what Buck and Eddie have been doing since Eddie showed up and.
Speaker B:Buck has showed up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He had to throw a fit for, like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:A teeny tiny bit.
Speaker A:But after that, it's just like, Buck has been showing up for Eddie and for Christopher in every single way imaginable and, like, in every way in.
Speaker A:Even in ways that, like, neither of them could have imagined.
Speaker A:Because, like, who could have imagined a tsunami?
Speaker A:Nobody.
Speaker D:And I think that's so well paralleled with Bobby and Athena and how Bobby and Athena are always showing up for each other.
Speaker D:And I think it's.
Speaker D:It's less so with Hen and Karen and Maddie and.
Speaker D:And Jim just because they're not both first responders.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker D:Like, dispatchers.
Speaker D:First responder.
Speaker D:But it's.
Speaker D:It's different.
Speaker A:It's different.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I think the dynamic of their relationship professionally as well as personally, the parallel between Athena and Bobby will do anything for each other.
Speaker D:They will kill.
Speaker D:They will die for each other.
Speaker D:And that's been established.
Speaker D:And it's always next to Bucket.
Speaker D:Eddie will do anything for each other.
Speaker D:They will kill for each other.
Speaker D:They will die for each other.
Speaker D:And it's not to say the others won't, but I think.
Speaker B:But it's different.
Speaker D:The easiest parallel that we can see with so much of that, like, always having your back back is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Athena and Bobby, especially when it comes to, like, dangerous situations.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because it translates so easily from on the field to their personal lives, which we don't get as much of with Maddie and Chimney.
Speaker A:We get that with them in a different way.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But it's not exactly like Maddie is not usually able to be out in the field.
Speaker B:She can't for Chim the same way Chim can for her.
Speaker B:And that's not like a dig at them.
Speaker D:It's just.
Speaker B:Just, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Where Chim had to show up for her because she got herself into some.
Speaker B:Through dispatch.
Speaker B:But it's not.
Speaker D:She's.
Speaker D:She's not in the field.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker D:Like, I.
Speaker D:And I think that's kind of where the.
Speaker D:The big.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Changes.
Speaker B:Not to say that there aren't plenty of parallels with Maddie too, but.
Speaker A:There are.
Speaker B:But I'm, like, specifically thinking about, like.
Speaker A:In the friend to lovers way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm thinking about the episode where.
Speaker B:Is it the same episode?
Speaker B:I think it's the same episode.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, Eddie gets shot, Bobby gets shot, and Buck puts himself in the line of fire under a truck that he got crushed under.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To save him.
Speaker B:And then Athena is like, give me turnouts and I'm gonna walk into this fire with a man who's, like, waving a gun around.
Speaker A:It's the same thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Freak for freak.
Speaker D:Masochist for masochist.
Speaker D:Kissed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, that's it.
Speaker A:That's the list.
Speaker B:Deranged for deranged.
Speaker D:Honestly, like, that's the thing that really popped to mind with.
Speaker D:With the.
Speaker D:Buck and.
Speaker D:Or Bobby and Athena.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:With the fire stuff too.
Speaker D:And Bobby listening to Bobby listening to Athena get beat.
Speaker D:There's so much.
Speaker B:Okay, what else do I have here?
Speaker B:Oh, I have missing personal space.
Speaker B:I think I already mentioned that.
Speaker B:The gazing into each other's eyes.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:They're just.
Speaker B:The look on Buck's face after Eddie says this.
Speaker B:It takes him two to four business days to get through that face journey.
Speaker B:You see.
Speaker A:You see him buffering Buck, Buckfering for English.
Speaker D:Full circle.
Speaker B:He's insane.
Speaker A:I also, like.
Speaker A:Can I just say the, the, like that entire scene, obviously, but the blocking and the lighting for that scene, it's so gorgeously lit.
Speaker A:I mean, I think the loft just like lends itself very well to really lovely lighting to set the scenes.
Speaker A:And we've seen this, we see it time and time again, but like the way the sun is coming in and like illuminating Buck's face and his eyes.
Speaker A:But you also like again with the makeup department, you see like all of the.
Speaker A:That he's gone through, like all of the injury that he sustained, you know, killing himself over to.
Speaker A:To try to find Christopher and to just like have Eddie like direct eye contact with that as the light is streaming.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I think, I think the lighting is beautiful in that scene.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know what else to say other than like, wow, pretty.
Speaker D:It's so soft.
Speaker D:And it's so different than the lighting we've seen throughout the rest of the episode too.
Speaker D:It's that calm after the storm kind of.
Speaker D:It's very romantic lighting.
Speaker B:And just having.
Speaker B:I wasn't kidding.
Speaker B:That's literally romantic lighting.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And like, just like you said, shining on Buck's face and everything like that.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker D:And I think just when you look at the.
Speaker D:We talk about feeling like he's home and the warmth and all of that.
Speaker D:And that lighting in that scene really reflects golden and compared to the starkness of all of the other scenes, even the daytime scenes that we see Buck in.
Speaker D:Yeah, and it's a lot harsher than.
Speaker D:Than kind of what we're seeing, I guess.
Speaker A:Also too, like, it's really like visually bringing Buck back into the light because he has been in such a dark place mentally.
Speaker A:I mean, he still kind of will be, but like.
Speaker D:But there's only so much an 8 year old can do.
Speaker A:I know, but with like the whole him being in like this really depressive state after his injuries and not being able to go back to firefighting.
Speaker A:And then it's like, I guess we could say like the darkest before the dawn sort of thing with Buck and Eddie finding each other at the.
Speaker A:At the field hospital and like having to almost say the worst thing imaginable.
Speaker A:And then it's light again.
Speaker A:So it's like, it really is, I think, like you said, Meg, the, The calm after the storm sort of thing.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's Buck being enlightened to one of his.
Speaker A:One of his life.
Speaker A:Life's purposes, which is the home that he's created between himself and Eddie and Christopher.
Speaker A:Just good lighting.
Speaker A:I'm a Sucker for good lighting, especially.
Speaker D:Because shows are so dark now.
Speaker C:Need more color.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:We could go back to my.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I think I said this, like, very early on in the beginning.
Speaker A:The stuff about the full circle theme with.
Speaker A:I think it was Max and Stacy, the.
Speaker A:The divorce couple, talking about, like, we're coming full circle sort of thing.
Speaker D:So I.
Speaker D:Ferris wheel.
Speaker A:On a Ferris wheel.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker D:Kind of, like, that moves and doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker A:It's like a hamster wheel.
Speaker A:Oh, interesting.
Speaker A:So I kind of thought it was really interesting.
Speaker A:I need to come up with a better word than interesting.
Speaker A:I liked in my head tying Eddie dropping Chris off with Buck at the end of this episode to the very beginning of.
Speaker A:What was it?
Speaker A:301.
Speaker A:302.
Speaker C:301.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:1.
Speaker A:Thank you to Eddie dropping Chris off at 301.
Speaker A:Because this is very full circle.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So Eddie drops him off to get Buck out of his head in.
Speaker A:In 301.
Speaker A:He brings Chris over to get Buck out of his head to get him out of that, like, depressive episode about being a failure because he can no longer or right now be a firefighter.
Speaker A:So he feel.
Speaker A:So he's trying to get Buck to feel like.
Speaker A:Not like a failure professionally.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then he brings him over again in this episode to get Buck out of his head again to try to stem that spiraling about Buck feeling like a failure personally.
Speaker D:For sure.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because of Christopher.
Speaker A:And it.
Speaker A:It works both times.
Speaker A:But spec.
Speaker A:So there's that full circle in that way.
Speaker A:But also what Max and Stacy say on the Ferris wheel where, you know, the husband is like, everything comes full circle.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Everything looks the same.
Speaker A:The places are the same, but the wife says.
Speaker A:But they changed.
Speaker A:The people changed.
Speaker A:And I just.
Speaker A:Just something about that.
Speaker A:I'm like, this feels like I just wrote, like, something.
Speaker A:Something buddy, relationship, breadcrumbs leading to, like, leading into ab.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It was like.
Speaker A:I don't even know.
Speaker A:I don't even know what to do with this.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Like something about how, you know, things come.
Speaker A:Things come full circle with Buck and Christopher and, like, finding Buck and.
Speaker A:And incorporating them as, like, this family unit.
Speaker A:And I think what we were.
Speaker A:What we mentioned a little earlier about this is basically Christopher choosing Buck.
Speaker A:You know, like, Eddie thinks that he needs to provide a mother for Christopher, but Christopher never asked for that.
Speaker A:Christopher has already kind of chosen Buck here.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:I kind of.
Speaker A:The threads are loose, but I'm kind of trying to connect those together where it's like.
Speaker B:Like the.
Speaker A:The places are the same, the environment's kind of the same, but the people have changed.
Speaker A:So like, are you talking about now.
Speaker B:And where we are right now or currently in season eight?
Speaker A:Both.
Speaker A:A little both.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But I think it's.
Speaker A:I think I said especially leading into.
Speaker B:Eight, I was like.
Speaker B:Cuz eight's pretty obvious.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Especially with all of the parallels that we've been.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So I think.
Speaker A:I think that's what I was thinking.
Speaker A:Leading into 8B, with all of the parallels that we have been given.
Speaker A:All of the Eddie and Tommy parallels, all of the Eddie and Abby parallels, the.
Speaker A:Everything around them is the same, but the people are different.
Speaker A:So switch out one of them.
Speaker A:Or the.
Speaker A:Even the Buck and Shannon parallels.
Speaker A:All of that kind of outside stuff is the same.
Speaker A:Just switch out.
Speaker A:Out the.
Speaker A:The players.
Speaker A:So the people have changed.
Speaker A:And also inherently, Buck and Eddie have changed enough in themselves.
Speaker B:Yeah, they've.
Speaker B:I mean, they've completely changed, I think.
Speaker B:And it's a very easy like comparison to make.
Speaker B:Especially at the end of episode 10 when you're visually comparing them to how they looked in the first episode they're seen together, which is Eddie in a black tank top and Buck in a gray shirt.
Speaker D:Hurt.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So that's like their very first confrontation.
Speaker B:And this is their last, most recent confrontation to us, because we just watched that a couple days ago and they're different people.
Speaker B:They're both different people than they were when they met.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it's full circle.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:This is what I was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is how somehow I was trying.
Speaker B:To get there, but it's full circle.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker D:Why?
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker B:Because when they met, Buck had just been left and Eddie had just left.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I just like, for.
Speaker D:He left.
Speaker B:For Christopher, like, he left because he was like, I need to get Chris away from Christopher.
Speaker B:I need to get Chris away from my parents.
Speaker B:Because that's what's best for him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Had a job opportunity.
Speaker B:So he was.
Speaker B:He was running away.
Speaker B:He was leaving for Christopher and Buck had just been left by the most significant relationship.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The most transformative relationship he had had until now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's like all of.
Speaker A:All of this stuff, like going back to season three with this kind of stuff, like gestures to the evidence before you.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Words.
Speaker A:Words are hard.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:That's like a very abstract concept that I was trying to like relate it to on multiple levels there.
Speaker B:Well, think about where we end.
Speaker B:Even just this season.
Speaker D:Look at where we are.
Speaker D:Look at where we started.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:The fact that they're alive is a miracle.
Speaker B:The end of season three ends with Eddie on.
Speaker B:With Eddie watching Christopher and Buck on his couch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Saying, this is the family we choose.
Speaker B:This is the family we chose.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:If you're doing full circle, just like this season, and yeah, if you look at where they started and where they end up, it's them choosing each other as a family.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I love full circle stuff.
Speaker A:Like Ouroboros says, whatever the.
Speaker A:The plural of that is.
Speaker D:I think you just.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's like one of my favorite, like, metaphorical, like, narrative thing is, especially when it's like you kind of end up in a similar place, but like, the.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker A:The journey has changed you inherently.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So, like, it looks like it's the.
Speaker A:Like you're.
Speaker A:Like you haven't had any movement there, but it's like.
Speaker A:It's all that internal growth sort of thing.
Speaker A:I love that stuff.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's a good.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:I'm good.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker C:I'm good.
Speaker C:I just feel like we just feel even more insane about all of this.
Speaker B:Oh, for sure.
Speaker A:Because this is worse.
Speaker B:This is worse than post 74 or.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:I was trying to make a Supernatural comparison.
Speaker B:I was like, wow, I have divorced myself from that so much that I'm like, what's the episode?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Despair.
Speaker A:15.
Speaker A:15 18.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:I was trying to remember the episode number.
Speaker B: It's worse than: Speaker B:Do you know why?
Speaker B:Because we were going insane.
Speaker B:Being like we're clowning right.
Speaker B:With despair, but with this, I'm just like, I'm going insane because, like, it's happening.
Speaker B:But how is it happening?
Speaker B:How are we getting there?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker C:809 made me feel almost like, not totally insane as I did that night, but, like, it was pretty close.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wait, 809.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because I was just, like, I was awake.
Speaker C:I was looking for things.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:I need more.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C: But: Speaker C:We didn't eat.
Speaker C:We didn't.
Speaker C:I don't even know what the.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:What happened that week of an absolute.
Speaker A:It was two weeks of an absolute fugue state.
Speaker B:So are all of us.
Speaker C:Imagine.
Speaker A:It's gonna be like a month at least.
Speaker D:All I'm saying is when.
Speaker D:When it goes canon and they kiss.
Speaker D:Guys, do your live stream afterwards.
Speaker D:I will be hunting down your.
Speaker D:Your link to join you to just lose my mind.
Speaker B:You can come on the live stream.
Speaker B:We might.
Speaker D:I will find You.
Speaker A:Because I think we'll be like, we'll.
Speaker B:Need you support person.
Speaker D:Oh, you think I'll be a normal human.
Speaker D:That's adorable.
Speaker B:Well, Rachel does this thing that I just discovered recently where she just goes non verbal.
Speaker D:I've never had that problem.
Speaker C:Non verbal.
Speaker A:I know I don't usually.
Speaker B:Do you remember when we were watching this.
Speaker B:This week's episode, she just literally.
Speaker B:You know how normally you and I are like, like stoic faced ones?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I always, like.
Speaker B:She literally went into a state of shock.
Speaker C:Oh, you mean when she was watching.
Speaker B:The reaction video and she literally watched it.
Speaker B:The blink, blink.
Speaker B:The blink, blink, blink, blink, blink.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I.
Speaker A:I rewatched it too.
Speaker A:And I was like, I need to see what just happened because I was having, like, an outof body experience.
Speaker A:No, I.
Speaker A:I legitimately.
Speaker A:I think I legitimately went into actual shock because I, like, did not breathe.
Speaker A:I just, like, didn't breathe.
Speaker B:And then she started giggling like an insane person that she wasn't giggling.
Speaker C:Was it my fault?
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker C:Did I set you off?
Speaker A:No, we actually started at the exact same time.
Speaker B:She was cry.
Speaker B:She was criggling.
Speaker A:I think it's because I think we both started, like, going, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker A:Because, like, we were all just so silent, and I was, like, trying to regain some fully.
Speaker B:I was just like, yeah.
Speaker B:And I looked up and you were both kidding.
Speaker D:We were.
Speaker A:We were all silent.
Speaker A:So I think Sil and I just started doing like, the awkward laughter when there is silence.
Speaker A:But also I was trying to, like, regain some sense of, like, higher mental functioning because I swear to you, and I.
Speaker A:And I looked at the timestamp.
Speaker A:It was a full minute.
Speaker A:I didn't move.
Speaker A:The only thing I was doing was going like this.
Speaker B:The rapid blinking.
Speaker B:We should turn that into a gift.
Speaker A:It only sounds like.
Speaker A:And it was kind of really interesting.
Speaker A:And I love that we record ourselves now because I'm like.
Speaker A:I've never seen me react that way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:To something.
Speaker C:No, the other.
Speaker C:The, like, also the thing that I.
Speaker C:The thing that I do.
Speaker C:It's like I feel like I'm mentally in that character's head and it's like happening to me.
Speaker C:The thing.
Speaker A:Just like you did the thing you did.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You had physical reaction.
Speaker B:Meanwhile, I don't know what I would have done had I not remembered Oliver Stark dropping the spoilers.
Speaker B:Killer.
Speaker B:Because I was.
Speaker B:Because I went, no, no.
Speaker D:What?
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:And then I stared for a minute, and then I was like, oh, he said he has a Maddie.
Speaker B:He said he has a scene.
Speaker B:With Maddie.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:She's fine.
Speaker B:She's fine.
Speaker A:Did not even enter.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:Like the brain space.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I thought that was really funny because, like, Han, you were being, like, really expressive.
Speaker A:And then I was just like.
Speaker A:I was just like.
Speaker D:I enjoyed watching you guys be annoyed that it might be dragged into a third episode.
Speaker D:And then.
Speaker D:Then because you're like, there's only five minutes left.
Speaker D:What's happening?
Speaker C:We were like, right?
Speaker D:And then no.
Speaker D:And then silence.
Speaker B:I was telling me to shut up.
Speaker A:Really.
Speaker B:Not in the mental state to, like, Eddie.
Speaker D:The spirit of Eddie Diaz was there telling you guys to be quiet.
Speaker B:A buddy scene.
Speaker B:That expressionless.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:I just was not absorbing anything that was happening in front of me.
Speaker A:I think the only reason I was able to, like, process.
Speaker B:I was crying.
Speaker A:Yeah, I.
Speaker A:We all cried.
Speaker A:But I think the only reason, like, I was able to process any of that and like, that is not saying a lot was because of the leaks.
Speaker B:So, like, I.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Knew what kind of to expect without like, the dialogue or anything like that.
Speaker A:But I think, like, if I don't.
Speaker A:I don't even know.
Speaker A:It was just like.
Speaker A:That was emotional whiplash.
Speaker A:Just like it's been so long since I think we were shocked like that than like, they ever do normally.
Speaker A:So, like, someone's gonna maybe come and rob it.
Speaker D:Athena Grant, the only police officer in.
Speaker A:LA and in the ocean.
Speaker D:And the ocean.
Speaker A:Her jurisdiction is just like, there's nowhere.
Speaker D:Casinos do not depend on police officers as their security.
Speaker D:What is it?
Speaker D:Why get your own security firm?
Speaker C:For real?
Speaker A:So I'm thinking it's probably like a criminal that is known.
Speaker D:Oh, so it's next week's episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:So it was like, should we stay.
Speaker B:On and watch that since it's the crossover and do a reaction?
Speaker B:And I was like, I think we're gonna be busy crashing out.
Speaker C:Like I said, we'll see the vibes.
Speaker C:Although I think the vibes are going to be pretty immaculate.
Speaker D:I can't wait to see out about Bobby's mom's doing.
Speaker B:Potentially.
Speaker A:I can't wait.
Speaker A:Bobby's mom and Buck's expanding social circle again.
Speaker D:From 1.
Speaker A:From 1.
Speaker D:2 if you count Christopher.
Speaker D:But Christopher's been gone for a while.
Speaker B:Has been gone for.
Speaker D:Okay, we have to get back to this.
Speaker B:We got it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We gotta make this up.
Speaker B:I think we were done with Slow Burn.
Speaker B:Were we done with Slow Burn?
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker D:I think so.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Something.
Speaker D:Something about buddy relationship sign off, which I did.
Speaker B:Just talking about random.
Speaker B:Random.
Speaker D:So that.
Speaker D:So we did that we did sign off, so.
Speaker B:So if you haven't already, please listen and or watch our book actually episode to see more of Meg, our guest star.
Speaker D:Guest star.
Speaker A:It's a really good episode.
Speaker D:I won't let it go to my head.
Speaker B:I'm so short.
Speaker D:You should.
Speaker B:So sure.
Speaker A:I'm so humble and modest.
Speaker B:I was gonna be like, oh, come watch Meg do a live reaction with us.
Speaker B:But this is gonna be like way after that comes out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What else, Meg?
Speaker B:Where can they find you?
Speaker D:Not many places anymore because I'm afraid to go on social media because it's depressing.
Speaker D:But you can find me on Blue skies at Wisconsin act.
Speaker D:You can find me on the Buddy System Discord server being super normal.
Speaker B:At all times.
Speaker A:We love how normal you are.
Speaker D:Definitely not saying weird stuff specifically to provoke reactions from people from time to time.
Speaker D:Just being cool.
Speaker D:And if you want to see my weird reposts on TikTok because I still don't know how TikTok tock works with recording.
Speaker D:Like I can record myself.
Speaker D:I don't know how editing works on the Tik Tok.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I know nothing.
Speaker D:I know nothing.
Speaker D:So if you want to like, I guess follow me on TikTok to see my reposts because that's all you're going to see.
Speaker B:If you want someone who will send you TikToks every day.
Speaker D:8 million.
Speaker D:If you're like, you know what?
Speaker D:I want to see how long I can have a streak going doing I'm your girl.
Speaker D:My longest one so far is 178 days.
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker A:Incredible.
Speaker D:The band really upset me because I thought I might miss my.
Speaker A:I might lose my streak specifically for that reason.
Speaker D:That was it.
Speaker D:I was just like, I don't know.
Speaker D:I don't know what I'm gonna do if I can't communate.
Speaker D:I told.
Speaker D:I told the person who this is with is my cousin's wife who I finally got to watch 911 1.
Speaker D:I was like, I hope you realize how much of my mental health is tied to this streak maintenance.
Speaker D:So I guess I'm a little like Buck too.
Speaker D:But you can find me on TikTok if you want a bunch of reposts.
Speaker D:But my main place of of doing stuff and talking is going to be Discord or Blue Sky.
Speaker D:And my.
Speaker D:My user handle is W I S C O N S E N N A C H.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I also have a podcast that I haven't recorded in three years.
Speaker D:But it's funny, but it's fun and it's Good and funny.
Speaker B:I'm on a couple episodes.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:Hands on some.
Speaker D: one way, way back in, like: Speaker D:Season two or three was the last time we did it.
Speaker D:It's called Bedwetter, Behead, and it's me and my best friend drinking and playing fuck, marry, kill with fictional characters.
Speaker D:And it does some character analysis.
Speaker D:And you can get really, really mad when you listen to some of them, as many of my friends have.
Speaker D:If you want to get real mad, listen to the supernatural ones.
Speaker D:I'm still mad at myself.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker D:And I have never forgiven myself or Carla.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:But that's an endorsement.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:Hey, so this episode is releasing either the week or two weeks before the season eight finale.
Speaker B:Would you like to make any predictions?
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker D:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Well, Christopher is back.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Comes out May 8th.
Speaker B:And the finale's probably going to be the 15th or the 22nd.
Speaker C:My prediction is Christopher comes back or we finally get to see him back in LA at the last episode.
Speaker C:Buck, Eddie, feelings, realization.
Speaker C:But they'll never admit to it.
Speaker C:That's a season nine thing.
Speaker D:That's it.
Speaker C:I don't have really anything.
Speaker C:I'm just like, I'm here for a ride.
Speaker C:Sometimes I really can't think it too much.
Speaker C:It'll hurt my brain.
Speaker A:Mood.
Speaker B:Well, guys, I mean, I think Chris will definitely be back by then.
Speaker B:He might be back before then.
Speaker B:Maybe it would only make sense for him to be back, like, logically in the finale, like, once his school year's over.
Speaker B:But they don't always follow logic.
Speaker B:So he could be back when Eddie is back.
Speaker B:It depends.
Speaker B:But, yeah, definitely by the finale.
Speaker B:So, yeah, Buck, Feelings, realization.
Speaker B:Eddie realizing he's queer, hopefully also feelings, realization.
Speaker B:I kind of want it to be.
Speaker B:Be like the last thing that happens in the finale and that be the cliffhanger.
Speaker D:He sees.
Speaker D:He sees Buck holding Maddie's new baby boy, and he's like, I want to get that man pregnant.
Speaker D:That is my prediction right there.
Speaker C:25.
Speaker C:Let's go.
Speaker D:Let me get some AVO in there.
Speaker B:Like, listen, if any show could do it 100%.
Speaker A:Well, I just read a thing.
Speaker D:No, I think Maddie's baby is going to be here.
Speaker D:I think it's going to be a baby finale.
Speaker D:I think there's going to be some weird shit, though.
Speaker D:Not dangerous, but just weird.
Speaker D:Probably because they can't leave these two alone.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:Give them a break.
Speaker D:And I.
Speaker D:And I think Eddie will have a moment.
Speaker C:Are we still thinking that he just doesn't know that he's gay or that.
Speaker C:That maybe he knows something but is repressing the fuck out of it and doesn't want to look at it.
Speaker D:I imagine that there is a box in Eddie's brain that he puts stuff that he doesn't want.
Speaker D:He doesn't think he can examine or look at.
Speaker C:That's where I'm at.
Speaker D:And he puts all that stuff in that box.
Speaker D:And it doesn't.
Speaker D:It's not just his sexuality.
Speaker D:It's not.
Speaker D:There's a lot of stuff in there that he doesn't look at.
Speaker D:And I think something will be going on while he's in Texas that will force that.
Speaker D:That.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Some examination of that.
Speaker D:And I think it's like a Pandora's box.
Speaker D:I think once it's open, he's not going to be able to.
Speaker D:I mean, back in.
Speaker B:This isn't like a prediction.
Speaker B:This is just how I've always kind of felt about Eddie.
Speaker B:And this is like maybe somewhat projection, but I've always felt like he may be.
Speaker B:He may be when he was young, like really young.
Speaker B:Young, maybe new or like.
Speaker B:Like the way when you're a kid can look at someone and just think they're cute and you, like, aren't aware yet, hopefully that, like, some people think it's wrong to like, think that someone of the same sex is cute or have a crush on them, whatever.
Speaker B:So I think maybe something like that happened and he said something for sure to.
Speaker B:Around his parents, I think.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:Or something happened and they put like the fear of God in him, like verbally or otherwise, and then he repressed the.
Speaker B:Out of that.
Speaker D:Well, and he was an altar boy, wasn't he?
Speaker D:Do I.
Speaker D:Am I misremembering that?
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker D:Is that Ryan?
Speaker A:Is that Ryan?
Speaker A:That was Ryan.
Speaker D:So it's also Eddie.
Speaker D:So it's also Eddie.
Speaker C:Come into the lore.
Speaker D:Yeah, we'll find you.
Speaker B:We'll do that.
Speaker D:Hey, and say we'll find out in episode 12.
Speaker D:We'll find out episode 12 that Eddie was an alter.
Speaker D:I couldn't remember if it was Headcanon or Fanon, but I totally see that being the thing.
Speaker D:I see him when he was younger making an offhand comment about something that was maybe too effeminate for like Ramon and Helena or something that was queer or not even.
Speaker D:It doesn't even have to be queer.
Speaker D:It's just not.
Speaker D:Not macho, just not right.
Speaker D:Super hyper masculine.
Speaker D:And they shut that down and it was just.
Speaker D:And it could end with kids, with little kids.
Speaker D:It's so easy.
Speaker D:It's like, boys don't do that well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then that's why it's like, projection on my part because, like, I was raised super.
Speaker B:In a super, like, conservative religious household and I am bisexual.
Speaker B:And like, when I was younger, I had crushes on my.
Speaker B:On my.
Speaker B:My female friends.
Speaker B:And I, like, thought that was normal until I was like, in a sermon where they were like, gay people are going to hell.
Speaker B:So then I was like, repress that until I was 27.
Speaker A:I would also be okay, though, with.
Speaker A:Because the only thing I have with, like, that idea or theory is like.
Speaker A:Because then Ramon and.
Speaker A:Or Helena are privy to it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I don't.
Speaker A:I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker D:I don't, like, I don't even think that because I don't think so.
Speaker D:Because it can be something that's so offhand and it's something like.
Speaker D:Like, parents are generally just not really very conscious about how they sometimes talk to their kids and, and how their kids absorb it.
Speaker D:It could, like I said, be just, boys don't do that.
Speaker D:And to them, okay, that's innocuous.
Speaker B:Talking about him being very young.
Speaker B:Like, it wouldn't be something that I know.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I was just.
Speaker A:I was just gonna say I would also be okay.
Speaker A:This makes more sense.
Speaker A:Then I would also be okay if it were like, Eddie seeing someone else act in a certain way or make an offhand comment.
Speaker A:And then his parents say, like, oh, they don't do that.
Speaker A:And not necessarily on, like, talking about Eddie himself.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, but just like, seeing that.
Speaker A:And like, if he had.
Speaker B:He had a friend that his parents thought were gay or a friend who had two.
Speaker B:Two dads, or if my favorite thing that people do and fix sometimes is give him a gay uncle who, like, he loved as a kid, but then when, like, when he came out, he never saw again.
Speaker C:No contact.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, like, heard his parents saying terrible things about him.
Speaker B:And then he internalized all of that.
Speaker D:But, I mean.
Speaker D:And like, all of that can happen even, like, I know this is.
Speaker D:I am a Ramonan Helena hater until the day I die.
Speaker B:Welcome to the club.
Speaker B:If they have no hitters, we're all dead.
Speaker D:Yeah, but in this particular thing, it doesn't even have to be, like, a heinous, horrible thing that they're saying.
Speaker D:No, it can just be something that's innocuous.
Speaker D:But the way Eddie internalizes it would make him think, okay, that's bad.
Speaker D:And the younger he is when he hears it, it.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker D:The deeper he's gonna take it.
Speaker D:Because when they're, like, when kids are.
Speaker D:When kids are little, their parents are.
Speaker D:They know everything.
Speaker A:Like, he may not even really like, fully understand the implications of whatever that is.
Speaker A:He just knows that has to go in the box.
Speaker A:That's kind of the way that.
Speaker A:I've been thinking about it as well.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:When he was younger, but then it was just like, confirmation.
Speaker D:The more he heard, the more he.
Speaker D:As he got older.
Speaker A:Reinforcement.
Speaker B:And he just, like, shoveled more and more dirt on it.
Speaker D:And I.
Speaker D:And I feel like that's the thing that Eddie.
Speaker D:That runs through Eddie's head if he's doing, like.
Speaker D:If he's doing something not like the same with the water and the juice, but the same kind of thing where he's doing something that's not strictly masculine.
Speaker D:And in his bed, in his brain, he just hears, boys don't do that.
Speaker D:And then he.
Speaker D:And then he veers off talking about his feelings, things, therapy, any.
Speaker D:Any of these little things where we see and just.
Speaker D:And I think he's really conscious of that because he's trying so hard to not raise Christopher that way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:But I don't.
Speaker A:Generally, he's doing a good job, but, like, to his own detriment.
Speaker D:Sometimes parents traumatize their kids in their own special ways.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I also think just, like, random, but, like, the thing that kind of, like, can, I guess, not confirmed.
Speaker B:Because, like, nothing's confirmed.
Speaker B:This is all just, like, hypothesizing or head.
Speaker B:Head canning.
Speaker B:Head canning.
Speaker B:But, like, the thing that really made me think maybe that's actually gonna be true is when he said, no offense, I'm straight to a guy just randomly being like, do you come here often?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because it was like, oh, why are you jumping to that conclusion?
Speaker B:Because even straight guys.
Speaker B:Guys can just be like, no.
Speaker B:Like, there's ways to get around that gracefully without being like, no offense, I'm straight.
Speaker B:Like, that is such a.
Speaker A:It gives.
Speaker A:It gives, like, a panic.
Speaker A:Panicked reaction.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Like, I can't jump that way.
Speaker D:It feels like such a Chekhov's gun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, it is.
Speaker D:You know, that's why they.
Speaker A:That's why they did that.
Speaker A:Because for sure, no character says that in a.
Speaker A:In a thing if it's not going to be addressed.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker D:And then especially with the conversation that comes after it.
Speaker D:When the prisons.
Speaker D:Like the juice and the water thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think we're all fairly on the same page here about, like, what need.
Speaker A:What we think slash needs to happen for by the end of the season where it's like Eddie Queer Realization Bucks feeling realization imminent.
Speaker A:I think the jury is still out on on, you know, whether Eddie will get the get the ball rolling on the the specifically Buck feelings realization yet or not.
Speaker A:I think it would be cool though is if like they did a kind of cliffhangery thing in the finale where it's like, you know how we've had multiple like lingering shots on Buck where it's like oh, what is he feeling like in in 806, in 808 in.
Speaker A:In 809 and in a 10.
Speaker A:All of these like multiple times and and just him being like, you know, just staying on his facial expression.
Speaker A:I think it would be interesting to leave off on one of those with Eddie.
Speaker B:I think we should sign off of here.
Speaker A:Otherwise we will be talking until next episode.
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