Too Sweet (Juice & Sweet Treats Theory)
This week Han, Cil, and Rachel dive into the sweet and slightly sticky world of "Juice Theory," where we unravel how Eddie indulges in (or denies himself) sweet treats as a metaphor for joy and repression. It's not just about the sugar rush; it reflects deep emotional layers, especially through Eddie’s journey in Season 8 of 9-1-1.
We explore how he avoids his feelings, choosing water over juice, and navigate the complexities of Eddie’s character journey, especially as he grapples with his desires and the societal pressures that push him to deny himself happiness. From the infamous meet-cute with a hot priest to the sweet baked goods that symbolize connections with Buck, we’re linking all the delicious dots.
So, grab your favorite sweet treat and join us as we chew on these juicy themes and serve up some delicious queer coding analysis!
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🐤 Behind the Scenes Photos On the Set of 8x05 Masks, rguzmanHQ on Twitter
Episode Title inspired by “Too Sweet” by Hozier
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Chapters
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:00:52) Welcome to the Juice Bar
(00:01:41) What’s on the Menu - Juice Theory 101
(00:04:21) Fruit Leather & Cupcakes - 8x01
(00:09:45) Ring Pop & Glazed Donut - 8x05
(00:21:40) Juice, Water, & Joy - 8x06
(00:27:24) Buck’s Baking Spiral Commences - 8x07
(00:31:30) Protein Chocolate Chip Cookies - 8x10
(00:35:53) El Paso Coffee & Energy Drinks - 8x12
(00:40:13) Helena Diaz’s Sugar-Free Groceries - 8x13
(00:47:05) The Last Hurrah’s Crumpet - 8x16
(00:52:46) Avoidance Coffee & Tia Pepa’s Cooking - 8x17
(00:57:48) Just Desserts - Juice Theory Beyond Season 8
(01:02:08) Take a Buddie With You & Outro
Transcript
This episode release, I need to put a disclaimer like, this is not a serious episode.
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Speaker C:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
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Speaker C:Hello.
Speaker C:Welcome to our latest minisode with the Buddy System.
Speaker A:I've got a.
Speaker A:We've got.
Speaker A:We've got a sweet treat for you guys today.
Speaker A:Today we're going to be discussing juice or broadly or generally sweets theory, because.
Speaker C:They kind of like go hand in hand.
Speaker A:Yes, Especially the focus that we got in season eight for Eddie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because that was kind of like the.
Speaker C:The introduction of Juice theory.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And from that we kind of extrapolated a little bit more from what we've noticed.
Speaker C:Kind of like breadcrumbed, if you will, in.
Speaker C:In like throughout season eight, and kind of like made it into a slightly broader topic, I guess.
Speaker B:Just an overview.
Speaker B:If you don't know about Juice Theory, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't know where you've been.
Speaker C:Let us enlighten you.
Speaker B:Certainly hasn't been 911 Internet anywhere.
Speaker B:But in season eight, episode six, Eddie has a meet cute with a hot priest.
Speaker C:And is that not what it is?
Speaker B:The priest is basically like, you seem like you're denying yourself joy because he watched him like pick up juice and then put it back and pick up water instead.
Speaker B:And it just spiraled into this whole thing for the rest of season eight where we were like, okay, well, that's the analogy.
Speaker B:That's the whole thing.
Speaker B:But, you know, it's very easy to expand on that because if he's denying himself joy, that's repressing.
Speaker B:So we're like, oh, well, that's queer coding.
Speaker B:And there's other queer coding things happening in that.
Speaker B:And we'll talk about that in another episode more in depth, probably.
Speaker C:And yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's where Juice Theory was born.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then I was like, ever since that, like, I feel like he's been gravitating towards a lot of like, sweets and stuff, like indulging more.
Speaker A:And I was like, you know what?
Speaker A:Let's Incorporate that too, because I feel like there's something there.
Speaker A:Hence this episode.
Speaker B:Especially because all the sweets are mostly.
Speaker A:Baked by the one and only master baker.
Speaker A:Yes, Buck Buckley.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Yeah, he's a master baker, all right.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Listen, they said that in canon.
Speaker C:We can't be blamed.
Speaker B:They did.
Speaker B:It's true, they did.
Speaker A:They did a lot of things in canon that I'm like, okay, are you sure about that?
Speaker C:Or like there's a.
Speaker A:There's a joke in here somewhere.
Speaker B:Oh, there's.
Speaker B:There's many jokes.
Speaker A:There's lots of phallic jokes, that's for sure.
Speaker B:Uh huh.
Speaker C:Are we even gonna touch that with a ten foot pole or.
Speaker A:No, I mean there's stuff we might in the other minisode.
Speaker C:We'll see where this is when we're.
Speaker B:Talking about the queercoding in season eight, for sure.
Speaker A:Oh, there's that.
Speaker A:But I was also talking about the.
Speaker A:The bachelor party with the.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Well, we have to talk about the ring pop here.
Speaker B:So we will be talking about it.
Speaker C:Get ready.
Speaker B:It happened in front of us.
Speaker B:We have to talk.
Speaker C:We're just reporting on.
Speaker A:Happened in front of us and it happened in front of Buck and that he calls a boyfriend called.
Speaker B:A boyfriend called.
Speaker A:Past tense.
Speaker B:Should we start at the beginning?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, you mean Bzzz Bizk.
Speaker B:So I remember us being very excited about this when we watched episode one.
Speaker B:It's their like lineup, you know, they're like military esque lineup with Gerard back in charge and he's inspecting everyone and he gets in Eddie's face and he's like, chief is on my ass about budget cuts and you're buying organic fruit leather.
Speaker B:And we were like, wow, that's homophobic.
Speaker C:And he like slaps it against his chest or something.
Speaker C:And I was just like, because, because it was in the stills and we were like, yeah, what's happening here?
Speaker A:We were like, what is that?
Speaker B:Because we were all trying to figure out what it was.
Speaker A:First of all, we're like, fruit.
Speaker A:No, we're like fruit.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Someone thought it was a. Jesus Christ.
Speaker A:Did someone think it was like, like.
Speaker B:A tampon or something?
Speaker C:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker B:I think I thought it was a tampon.
Speaker B:Oh, for like five seconds.
Speaker C:And then you just.
Speaker A:I was like, what?
Speaker B:Enhance that.
Speaker B:Because it was plastic and it was about really big, like.
Speaker B:Because I was like, whatever he's doing, it's homophobic.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:And I mean would track.
Speaker A:You were right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I remember us being so pleased because we were like, oh my God, it's fruit leather.
Speaker B:That's such like, such a random specific thing for them to choose.
Speaker B:It's fruit.
Speaker B:We're like starting off with a bang, if you will.
Speaker C:Uh huh.
Speaker B:And then we, and then we have later on in the episode the saddest birthday party you've ever seen because it's for a child and the child isn't there.
Speaker B:And your husband and his shitty boyfriend flirting behind the couch awkwardly.
Speaker B:There's cupcakes, but like, no one's eating them.
Speaker C:How me.
Speaker B:Like I said, no one's eating them.
Speaker B:There are pictures of everyone.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:So yeah, this is just very like surface level reading.
Speaker B:Like Eddie repressing a lot of things.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:What's going on with his kid right now.
Speaker B:Like he's really, he's denying himself joy, but he's also like repressing all of the guilt and the shame and all of the bad feelings that come along with that.
Speaker B:So he's not allowing himself to partake in the cupcakes.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Which is such a funny thing too because it's like he went and either made or I or probably like bought cupcakes for a party for the person of honor who isn't even there.
Speaker C:And it's just kind of like it would, it would be for just the three of them.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But the only person that we see eat the cupcake, like, well, they have to go off screen and eat the cupcake, but to grab a cupcake is Tommy.
Speaker C:And we don't see Buck or Eddie partake in, in that sweet treat at all.
Speaker C:And it's just like so much of that scene is, is both of them just feeling like so kind of downtrodden about Chris not being there.
Speaker C:And it's that, it's that absence.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:So like, you can't, you can't indulge in something that would make you happy because like the person that you're celebrating isn't even there.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like what really, truly, what is the point?
Speaker A:So they're all like super dejected and, and really, like there's just not anything joyful of what's going on here.
Speaker A:And then there's there and then there's that other one that's like literally not reading the Room.
Speaker C:Well, yeah, he's.
Speaker B:I mean, he hasn't read the Room from the beginning or he did and he just didn't care.
Speaker B:He pretended he could not read.
Speaker C:I don't know how to read.
Speaker B:That can't hurt me.
Speaker C:I don't know how to read yeah, no, I still.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:You make a really important point.
Speaker C:I think that like this whole party, like a party is a celebration.
Speaker C:It's supposed to be like a joyful event.
Speaker C:And this birthday party was devoid of all joy.
Speaker C:Meanwhile we see like the.
Speaker C:The window into like the FaceTime and Chris is having another party that is full of more joy, we're assuming.
Speaker C:And it's just like.
Speaker C:Like a punch to the gut.
Speaker C:An empty gut.
Speaker C:Because you didn't eat the cupcakes.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Those poor cupcakes.
Speaker A:Sad.
Speaker C:And who's gonna eat the cupcakes like after, you know, Such a sad.
Speaker A:I can just see like Eddie just packing it all up and throwing it away actually.
Speaker B:Either that or he's like crying and.
Speaker A:Eating the bathtub and eating like wet.
Speaker B:The shower on a la Peter B. Parker.
Speaker A:Eating piz.
Speaker C:Quite possible.
Speaker C:I could see it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Those are the two options.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Eating his feelings or throwing it away because it represents his failure.
Speaker C:I would imagine.
Speaker C:He threw them away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like I don't deserve these.
Speaker C:I'm a bad.
Speaker A:Or he gave him the Tommy because Tom.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Eating them.
Speaker B:Since you seem to have an appetite here.
Speaker C:That might come into play later on as well.
Speaker A:Okay, so the next episode we have is in 805 masks.
Speaker A:So Eddie really is a.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker B:He's doing stuff in this episode.
Speaker A:Listen, it's just that when you think about the role that Eddie plays in this episode against Buck and redacted over here.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:He's not even the third wheel here.
Speaker C:No, Tommy is Tommy.
Speaker B:He's the husband.
Speaker A:He's the husband.
Speaker A:The other one's just the visitor.
Speaker A:It was shown in the first hospital scene.
Speaker A:Anyway, I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Like I. I don't even know why I'm still giggling.
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker B:Anyway, this episode's just wild.
Speaker A:This episode's just gonna be us giggling.
Speaker B:Well, I think we're giggling because what we have to talk about.
Speaker A:Super gay anyway.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So true.
Speaker A:Really and truly.
Speaker A:Tommy is a visitor in this episode and Eddie is.
Speaker A:Is really playing that supportive.
Speaker A:Maybe not officially by a friend role but like he is you know, basically acting like the actual husband he is at Buck's beds bedside in the hospital.
Speaker A:So there we go.
Speaker A:And then he's also treating bucks boils and then they're having their little banter and all of that.
Speaker A:But at the end, at that last.
Speaker A:The last hospital scene that we have, we have Eddie indulging some candy or it.
Speaker A:Some candy.
Speaker A:Particularly a ring pop.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I'm not even looking at you guys.
Speaker B:I just hear you.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker A:He's indulging a sweet treat.
Speaker A:It is a ring.
Speaker A:A ring.
Speaker A:It is a Ring Pop.
Speaker C:And he's.
Speaker A:Rachel, be happy you're not doing this.
Speaker A:How are we supposed to be serious about him fellating a Ring Pop.
Speaker C:That's the only word that was in.
Speaker A:My mind right now.
Speaker A:I just like, can't say it.
Speaker A:Can't say it.
Speaker A:Can't say it.
Speaker A:You know what?
Speaker A:Fine.
Speaker A:He's sucking on a Ring Pop right in front of Buck Buckley and redacted.
Speaker A:I don't know what kind of the eye contact.
Speaker A:I don't know what kind of acting choice that was.
Speaker A:I don't what direction was happening, what was happening here, why we have that.
Speaker C:These are the burning questions we have.
Speaker A:What was up with the editing guys?
Speaker A:We have it.
Speaker B:And it's not even just like one shot.
Speaker B:It's like three or four.
Speaker B:Three.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's that entire scene.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's giving bombastic side eye, except he's like dead eyed, staring straight.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So while.
Speaker B:While he has that Ring pop.
Speaker B:How do I want to word this?
Speaker C:While he's enjoying it?
Speaker B:No, I can't say that.
Speaker B:I'm trying to make it like dirty, but not as dirty.
Speaker B:Escalating.
Speaker B:I have nothing.
Speaker A:Well, while you're thinking on that Merriam Webster, I will.
Speaker A:I will say there is also.
Speaker A:I know this isn't included in the episode.
Speaker A:I know this isn't included in the episode because what we got was different from.
Speaker A:From what we got at the final cut.
Speaker A:But I know there was.
Speaker A:You know, after season eight ended, there has been.
Speaker A:There was like some behind the scenes stuff and we had Eddie doing something else with a piece of food.
Speaker A:I'm not even sure what that is.
Speaker A:Is it ice cream?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But he is eating something.
Speaker A:In the hospital scene where Buck is getting his shoulder reset, he is eating something as he's holding the magazine up.
Speaker A:So like there that.
Speaker A:That scene could have played out differently.
Speaker C:So could we.
Speaker A:We could have had this twice.
Speaker C:Oh, is that.
Speaker B:Is that on the website?
Speaker A:No, it's from a crew member.
Speaker C:Yeah, we'd have to.
Speaker C:We'd have to track that down.
Speaker A:We'd have to dig.
Speaker A:Because I still like, even as.
Speaker A:As much as I try to look, I. I could not tell what that was.
Speaker B:Did you find it?
Speaker A:Are you eating?
Speaker A:Dude, is that a donut?
Speaker A:Donut?
Speaker B:Oh, a glazed donut.
Speaker B:So interesting.
Speaker C:Okay, so go talk about that.
Speaker C:Talk about that then.
Speaker C:I can't say anything serious about this shit.
Speaker B:It's so there's so much innuendo.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So he actually was.
Speaker A:I was able to zoom in on the picture, probably link it somewhere in.
Speaker A:The notes are.
Speaker A:So he actually is eating either a powder or a glazed donut.
Speaker B:No, it's a glazed donut.
Speaker A:A glazed donut in that scene when he's holding that.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker A:The magazine while he's at Buck's bedside.
Speaker A:So it's just.
Speaker A:That thread is just very interesting.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker A:We could have had this twice.
Speaker C:Which is also kind of interesting too, when paired with the magazine that he's holding.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because it's.
Speaker A:It's a like, it's like a Sports Illustrated essentially.
Speaker B:It's a swimsuit edition of Sports Illustrated.
Speaker C:Basically, which can also be like another form of like, indulging.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Or like.
Speaker B:Or repressing.
Speaker A:Or repressing.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's like both at the same time.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:It's like societally acceptable indulging.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, the thing is though, with the scene at the end when they're all in the waiting room, Eddie has kind of absconded with the entire bowl of Halloween candy.
Speaker C:Probably from like, like the nurse's desk or the registration desk over there, has the whole bowl just like, hanging out on his lap.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:As in, like, the ring pop is not the first piece of candy that he picked up and has eaten.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And it's not going to be the last because he's kind of hoarding like a little, like a little candy dragon.
Speaker C:The whole bowl.
Speaker C:The whole Halloween candy bowl really is.
Speaker A:This is disclaimer.
Speaker C:Like, we're.
Speaker B:This is not a serious.
Speaker C:Like, no, we're.
Speaker C:We're crack that takes itself seriously.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker A:Anyway, continue to Rachel with your point.
Speaker C:So, like, what I found really interesting about this is that, yeah, we had that little piece with the fruit leather in episode one.
Speaker C:But, like, nothing that really stood out to us in between, like, 802 and 804, like those three episodes until masks.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Which obviously aired before Confessions, when Juice Theory was born.
Speaker C:But I found it really interesting because we know from all the behind the scenes stuff and the production codes that 806 was filmed before 805.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because of the shaving the mustache.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:And then they had to put a fake mustache on her masks, so.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker C:Or at least parts of it.
Speaker C:So to me, it's really like a continuation of that character choice that, like, kind of started in 806.
Speaker C:But because of, like, the way production, like, worked out, it kind of started Preceding it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because there's kind of no reason why Eddie would all of a sudden be allowing himself to indulge in these sweet treats and, and give himself joy.
Speaker C:Because that conversation in universe hasn't taken part yet.
Speaker C:But I think so, like just on a production standpoint, I think that's kind of interesting.
Speaker C:That like, that was a through line that was consciously thought of, but it just happened to air before.
Speaker C:So looking at it like within Universe, like in the text of it, I think is kind of interesting too because they're there then seems to be like Eddie wanting to like, let himself enjoy some things, but he's still, still in such a, like a tug of war with that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So like in, in this instance, it won out probably because he excused it as like Halloween, like it was a special occasion.
Speaker C:But then in the next episode, like he, he pulls back again, is like, I don't deserve any of that stuff.
Speaker C:So it's like it's.
Speaker C:It's all part of like the same conversation.
Speaker C:But it's interesting to see that that like in text, it seems like he really does want to allow himself some of these things.
Speaker C:But then, but then he remembers and is like, oh, nope, can't do it.
Speaker C:Not allowed.
Speaker C:But I was allowed this time because it's Halloween and that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker C:That's like what's expected.
Speaker B:The way that I look at what he is using the sweets for in this episode is a distraction for sure.
Speaker B:What, from what's happening around him.
Speaker B:Like he's very much eating his feelings.
Speaker C:Well.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Because he's so kind of like beside himself that Christopher isn't there with him to celebrate Halloween.
Speaker C:And not only that, but like him knowing earlier in the episode when he's talking to Pen and Chimney, I think where, where he was talking to Chris, like actually talking, but then Chris was like, I'm not interested in Halloween anymore.
Speaker C:So it's like that extra layer of like, not only is Chris not there, but he also knows that Chris isn't participating in Halloween where he is in El Paso anyway, so.
Speaker C:So Eddie is also kind of like mourning a little bit of.
Speaker C:Of his kids childhood or an aspect of his son's childhood in that way.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So you could also read it as him indulging in Halloween candy is trying to like, get back to that like, childlike self.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And living vicariously through that as well.
Speaker C:Because that's what you do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also thought it was interesting because when we first, I think when we first watched this episode Back in.
Speaker A:When was it, like, October.
Speaker A:And, you know, fandom reaction was kind of, I think, divided, I guess, because I think we all saw what this front was for, what it was.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, he was like, a half of the reaction for, like, half a fandom's reaction for, like, Eddie's characterization, especially in this episode, was like, why is he.
Speaker A:Why is he acting like this?
Speaker A:Like, it seemed like he was kind of dismissive, I think, towards Buck as well.
Speaker A:Like, there was just.
Speaker A:There was just a flavor of that.
Speaker A:I mean, I didn't truly read into it, like, as characterization.
Speaker A:No, I just think this is also part of that repression that he has.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And that's how I read, like, this.
Speaker A:Him, like, just reading the magazine in the house, in the hospital, too.
Speaker A:Like, I thought, like, it was just, like, again, like, the title of the episode, like a Mask.
Speaker C:So, I mean, you brought it up.
Speaker B:So, I mean, just think about the last time that he saw Buck in a hospital.
Speaker B:So it's probably hard for him to see him in a hospital bed.
Speaker A:That too.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I don't think he's being dismissive.
Speaker B:And then the way that he treats him the rest of the episode is how he always treats the.
Speaker A:How he always treats him.
Speaker B:Well, how he always treats him and how he always approaches the, like, superstitious.
Speaker C:Like, very grounding force.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or he's like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:Rolling his eyes, like.
Speaker B:But affectionately.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:If he's indulging in something, never mind.
Speaker C:He's not indulging Buck in his, like, weird superstitions, but he's indulging another way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker C:Was that what you were trying to say?
Speaker A:Something like that.
Speaker C:I was, like, picking up on the thread.
Speaker C:Okay, so from there, we go into 806 Confessions, where juice theory is born.
Speaker C:So we.
Speaker C:We mentioned a little bit earlier about how this.
Speaker C:How this comes to be, but I. I think it's important to note that this conversation doesn't fully happen without Eddie having gone to the confessional first and try to, like, release his burdens in that way.
Speaker C:Because it's only after that that Father Brian, like, recognizes Eddie and.
Speaker C:And observes.
Speaker C:And from there, he's.
Speaker C:He's able to kind of, like, put the pieces together.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And it's like, oh, he needs a little more counseling because there's obviously, like, more on his mind.
Speaker C:Because remember, like, Eddie, like, left before they were, like, really done.
Speaker C:And for Father Brian to make such astute observations in such a short amount of time.
Speaker C:I mean, granted, he had, like, a little bit of backstory.
Speaker C:But again, it wasn't very, well, dramatically.
Speaker C:It was very dramatically.
Speaker C:And it was, like, sans other context.
Speaker C:Context just, like, told in the weirdest way.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And from that, he's able to kind of, like, psychoanalyze Eddie.
Speaker C:Like, oh, you put the juice.
Speaker C:You put the juice down because you don't think that you deserve joy.
Speaker C:And this is where we get the whole, you know, indulging sweet treats equals something joyful for Eddie and the avoidance.
Speaker C:So, like, abstaining from any of those or.
Speaker C:Or choosing an alternative in.
Speaker C:In lieu of.
Speaker C:It is not seeking joy or actively seeking anything but joy.
Speaker C:Actively seeking punishment.
Speaker C:So he continues to, like, drink the water, but.
Speaker C:But, like, the.
Speaker C:The words are still in his mind.
Speaker C:So that's like when he indulges himself in some.
Speaker C:In some form of joy, which is the risky business dance.
Speaker C:And then when Buck comes in afterwards, very awkwardly in a very random situation, and Buck hands him a beer, he looks at the beer like he's considering it and is kind of like, yeah, sure, why not?
Speaker C:And indulges in that as well.
Speaker C:So it's not the juice, but it is something presented to him by Buck.
Speaker C:And if we're kind of extrapolating a little further along that, like, Buck also equals joy.
Speaker C:So, like, juice slash sweets equal joy then, and joy equals Buck then.
Speaker C:They're all, you know, connected.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just wanted to hop back a little bit to the dialogue.
Speaker B:So, like, when he is in confession, when Eddie leaves, he says, I don't.
Speaker B:For.
Speaker B:I don't deserve forgiveness.
Speaker B:I gotta go.
Speaker B:So, like, it was not hard for Father Brian to pick up on now, like, what, you know, part of his big issue was.
Speaker B:But he says, couldn't help but notice that initially he grabbed the juice, but then opted for the water.
Speaker B:Why do you think that is?
Speaker B:I decided I wanted water.
Speaker B:No one does that.
Speaker B:No one does that.
Speaker B:Maybe you get juice and water if you're like, oh, I'm actually really thirsty.
Speaker B:You're not, like, let me put something delicious down.
Speaker B:I'm really craving water.
Speaker B:Only unless you're, like, a super health nut, I guess.
Speaker B:But then you wouldn't go for the.
Speaker C:Juice in the first place.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:With that, it is the initial choosing of the juice and the decision to put it back.
Speaker B:So Father Brian says, see, I think that you are punishing yourself.
Speaker B:I think that you are denying yourself because you don't feel worthy right now.
Speaker B:And he's like, I don't feel worthy of juice?
Speaker C:Like, no.
Speaker B:Eddie thinks he's so sassy.
Speaker B:And so smart.
Speaker B:And then Father Brian's like of joy clocked him immediately.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So then he breaks it down.
Speaker B:He's like, I don't have a lot to be joyful about.
Speaker B:He's talking about what's going on with Chris.
Speaker B:And he's like, okay, but you have all this other stuff going on for you that, like, give your life meaning and purpose and your handsome mustache.
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker C:That'S for another episode.
Speaker B:But he tells him, in the meantime, stop punishing yourself.
Speaker B:From the little that I know of you, you're someone who spent his life in service.
Speaker B:That's something I can understand.
Speaker B:But we can't take care of others if we don't first take care of ourselves.
Speaker B:And then tells him, once he does, our father's.
Speaker B:That he wants them to do something frivolous, something fun, and something that expresses pure joy.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:And that's how the.
Speaker B:It's joy, joy, joy.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:It's very, very focused.
Speaker B:Like, that is where the theory comes from.
Speaker B:It's like, how specific the wording is in this conversation.
Speaker B:And, like, repetitive.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you're, like, really sinking in the message.
Speaker C:And I guess that also, like, with that extra context of the dialogue, like, do something frivolous.
Speaker C:Do something that.
Speaker C:That is joyful.
Speaker C:And if we take the entire, like, Risky Business dance scene, including when Buck comes in and.
Speaker C:And Eddie sits on the couch with Buck and, like, spends time with him and drinking the beers, like, that is still something that would be joyful to Eddie.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like, it's all kind of connected and encompassed in that.
Speaker C:Like, it's not two separate things.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:Buck is part of that joyful moment, even if Buck isn't joyful.
Speaker C:But that's.
Speaker C:That's beyond the point for tonight.
Speaker B:He's happy that Buck is there and Tommy isn't.
Speaker A:He's having a great time.
Speaker C:Yeah, like.
Speaker C:Like, to Eddie, kind of.
Speaker C:What could have made that moment better than to share it with his best friend?
Speaker C:You know?
Speaker A:It's true.
Speaker B:Are we counting 807?
Speaker B:Because popcorn is not sweet.
Speaker C:Well, it's like a. Om, nom nom.
Speaker B:Well, it's a snack, but it's not a sweet treat.
Speaker A:I didn't put popcorn there, but Because I just watched it.
Speaker A:It's a small tidbit because Buck is baking a lot, so they're at their Firehouse, right.
Speaker B:In 807 Hotshots.
Speaker A:So he made baked ziti and he baked bread pudding.
Speaker A:And, like, Eddie, like, you know, he bounds up over there, right?
Speaker A:And he's like, he literally, like.
Speaker A:He literally go, like, he's leaning over the counter, he's like, like, sniffing, like, literally, like, lie.
Speaker A:Like, like a whole.
Speaker B:He's got a snort that baked with love scent.
Speaker B:He loves it.
Speaker A:He's like, you become such a master baker.
Speaker A:And he's like, one tummy dumped me.
Speaker A:And that's really.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And then there's the whole, like, chasing him around with the thing.
Speaker A:I don't know how you want to extrapolate.
Speaker C:No, with.
Speaker C:With that.
Speaker C:I think it's.
Speaker C:It's a continuation of, like, finding those joyful moments, kind of like the.
Speaker C:The dancing.
Speaker C:So he's learning that.
Speaker C:That Buck is baking it.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a continuation.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:It's a continuation because it also very much pertains to Buck in this instance, because.
Speaker C:Because now we know, like, Buck is baking, he's making these sweet treats.
Speaker C:We see that Eddie is very interested in them.
Speaker C:And then he's also doing these kind of, like, more frivolous things, like jumping over the back of the couch and, like, playing keep away with the phone and being just, like, very silly, goofy.
Speaker C:So he's kind of, like, indulging in that.
Speaker C:Yeah, especially, I think.
Speaker C:And he might be, like, overcompensating a little bit, too, because Buck is so, like, not joyful.
Speaker C:He's very upset, so trying to, like, lighten the mood, which is not normally Eddie's M.O.
Speaker C:so I think.
Speaker C:I think it's all, like, connected in that way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, so an 808 wannabes.
Speaker B:So at the end.
Speaker B:Well, towards the end of that episode, we have another famous kitchen scene with Eddie looking at his iPad, saying some things that are wild out of context.
Speaker B:And then Buck shows up and lets himself in to the house, as he does, and he has a giant basket that he prepared so nicely and beautifully.
Speaker C:Full of baked goods wrapped in everything.
Speaker B:Yeah, he just, like, wrapped the stuff for, like, Maddie and chimney and, like, plastic wrap.
Speaker B:It's like, here's your loaf.
Speaker C:And he did, like, a full presentation for Eddie.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But he's like, I almost relapsed.
Speaker B:And he's, you know, shoves.
Speaker B:Shoves the basket towards him, and Eddie, like, grabs the scone and starts shoving in his mouth immediately and is like, this is really good buc.
Speaker B:While he's still chewing the scone.
Speaker B:So, you know, even though he's, like, stressed out because he's like, I'm looking at a thing that I do not want my best friend to see, because I know it's Going to upset him and also upsets me, and I want to talk about it.
Speaker B:So he's doing, like, a combo here where he is indulging himself and indulging Buck, but he is also kind of, like, trying to use it to, like, distract.
Speaker B:Like, pay no attention to what's on my iPad.
Speaker B:Tell me how you've made these.
Speaker B:Tastes so good.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker C:It's like the.
Speaker C:A very similar kind of tension there that we see in 801 with the party, where it's like he.
Speaker C:He's being offered the baked goods and.
Speaker C:And indulging in them and also just, like, warring in his head about this thing that he's considering about moving to El Paso, which is very not joyful for him because he doesn't want to do it.
Speaker C:So it's just like having both of those at the same time.
Speaker C:And he's just.
Speaker C:You can kind of see he's a little, like, squirrely about everything anyways.
Speaker C:So he's just kind of like, I don't know what to like, Joy.
Speaker C:Like scones and.
Speaker C:And baked goods, but also, like, ooh, moving.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so with a 10, we do have, like, two scenes of note.
Speaker A:Well, it really is the only two buddy, buddy alone scenes that we have.
Speaker A:Anyway, so in the first one, it's in the car when they're searching for Maddie, and Buck begins to, like, I guess, you know, he's just listing off all the things that are going wrong from, like, Maddie missing him being broken up with, and Eddie, like, moving back to Texas.
Speaker A:And then Eddie's like, it's not nothing.
Speaker A:But then he, like, kind of also, like, shuts down.
Speaker A:Like, what I think could have been, like, an emotional conversation or it could have turned into an argument because they were kind of like.
Speaker A:Kind of like, what?
Speaker A:Yeah, it could be both.
Speaker A:Because, like, even Eddie says it.
Speaker A:He's like, you know, they've been up all night.
Speaker A:They're tired, but he's.
Speaker A:And he is visibly tired, so he's like, I need to stop for gas and get a cup of coffee.
Speaker A:So, like, the way I kind of read, especially during 8B, the way I kind of read coffee is kind of, like, the avoidance, like, shutting down and, like, kind of, like, kind of, like, punishing himself a bit.
Speaker A:I know he is a coffee drinker, but it also kind of depends, like, how you're drinking that coffee, how it's being prepared, and then for sweet treats.
Speaker A:So at the end, when they're finally doing their.
Speaker A:Their goodbye scene, Buck.
Speaker A:And I mean, that Goodbye scene.
Speaker A:As we.
Speaker A:We've all said, like that's.
Speaker A:It's such an awkward.
Speaker A:It's such an awkward scene with like things obviously left unsaid even though like Eddie is saying things like, oh, you do matter to me, I'm gonna miss you.
Speaker A:And then you know, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:But anyway, Buck notably, you know, because he didn't notice how Eddie was feeling during that, during the search for Maddie, he baked them protein chocolate chip cookies that are, you know, going to help energize him like on the long a road trip to El Paso.
Speaker A:So it's another one of those things tied the buck and that obviously Eddie's going to indulge in.
Speaker A:I'm sure there's so many fanfics about that.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And also isn't it the fact that fuck baked all of those.
Speaker C:Did I miss something?
Speaker B:You've obviously not read that fic.
Speaker C:No, did I not?
Speaker A:It's akin to a V, almost like bagel fix style kind of.
Speaker A:Well, not really.
Speaker A:It's very freak for freak actually.
Speaker A:There's something about he eats the cookies.
Speaker B:And then there's something with the bag.
Speaker C:Oh, I'm.
Speaker C:I might have had that open in a tab and I just never got there.
Speaker C:I can imagine.
Speaker A:I said it.
Speaker A:I needed someone to laugh.
Speaker A:I was like, which one?
Speaker B:It's like, well there are a bunch of fix, but that's the only like freaky one.
Speaker A:Anyway, Rachel, what I was going to.
Speaker C:Say, you know, also the fact that like when Buck baked the cookies, he specifically said like, and save some for Christopher.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So it's not just about Eddie's joy, it's about Christopher's joy too.
Speaker C:And how Buck is looking after both of them or looking after both of their well being and their happiness a little bit as well.
Speaker C:So that just like I think really helps solidify that Buck is also the joy in.
Speaker C:In their lives equation.
Speaker C:Yeah, in.
Speaker C:In both of their lives, not just Eddie's.
Speaker C:Because if it was just Eddie, he could like you know, pass that off being like, whatever, I don't deserve it.
Speaker C:But because it's also for Christopher, then he can't really ignore it.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And then for 811 you said bro.
Speaker C:Was that in relation to anything or just like my God, the episode.
Speaker A:Just my God, the episode.
Speaker A:There's nothing there for this.
Speaker A:I think unless someone.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Someone thought of something can pull something out of their ass.
Speaker A:I don't have anything.
Speaker C:No, that's fine.
Speaker C:I just wanted to make sure because like sometimes your bro is like, bro.
Speaker B:What flavor of Bro.
Speaker C:Yeah, I can tell by.
Speaker C:By your intonation.
Speaker C:So then we have, in our El paso era, with 8:12 disconnected, we get Uber driver Eddie.
Speaker C:So he's made the move to El Paso.
Speaker C:He's trying to basically win Christopher back.
Speaker C:He's trying to show up as a good parent and the rest of his identity gets stripped from him because he doesn't get to be a firefighter over there, at least not yet.
Speaker C:So what does he do?
Speaker C:He becomes an Uber driver.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker C:He must have seen something because he supplies, like, his.
Speaker C:His car with like these little mints or candies or whatever.
Speaker C:So he's.
Speaker C:He's offering these sweet treats to his writers.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But he doesn't take any of it.
Speaker C:It's only for.
Speaker C:For others.
Speaker C:And kind of continuing that coffee is avoidance thing that you were saying, Sil?
Speaker C:We do get a lot of.
Speaker C:There's that one conversation with the.
Speaker C:With one of his passengers.
Speaker C:Passengers.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:I'm like, client.
Speaker B:No, it's like riders.
Speaker C:Yeah, with one.
Speaker B:I didn't like that either.
Speaker C:With one of his passengers who has done the rideshare thing before, and she gives him some tips and tricks and she tells him, you know, like, oh, don't.
Speaker C:Don't get coffee because you're going to.
Speaker C:You're going to be spending too much time, like, looking for a bathroom and.
Speaker C:And all that stuff.
Speaker C:So, like, he switches out the coffee for the energy drinks, which you kind of think would be indulgent, but in this case, like, both the coffee and the energy drinks are to keep him alert and kind of just like, help him do the job.
Speaker C:So it's not really punishment.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's not really for any, like, enjoyment.
Speaker C:It's mostly just to, like, get the job done, give him a boost of caffeine so he can do what he needs to do to provide for Christopher.
Speaker C:But there's no but.
Speaker C:There's nothing like that he really enjoys there.
Speaker C:And I mean, there's.
Speaker C:There's the funny scene where he takes like the shot of the energy drink and he's like, woo.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But I don't think that that comes from like, oh, my God, I loved that sort of sort of thing.
Speaker C:That was like.
Speaker C:That was like, oh, boy.
Speaker C:Hey, Ryan.
Speaker A:Comedic timing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, that was.
Speaker C:It's so good.
Speaker C:It's so fun.
Speaker C:It's funny for us.
Speaker C:It's joyful for us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:It's a means to an end for Eddie, which is like, not fun.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:And all of, like, the stuff that he's indulging in like spending money on is for Christopher, like the PS5 and.
Speaker B:All that stuff or donating money.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's really like all those things that he like, you know, the energy drinks, the coffee, the especially the energy drinks, like trying to keep himself awake and alert.
Speaker A:I also like akin to it too, like him being like.
Speaker A:And I mean, this is.
Speaker A:This is generally as well, like a shell of.
Speaker A:Of himself also because of like, I know this doesn't really.
Speaker A:This is not, you know, a sweet or anything, but I'm like thinking about like, how he's also dressed and all of that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:So he's like putting that.
Speaker A:That front while he's there and it's just like a shell of.
Speaker A:Of what?
Speaker A:Of himself.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker C:Yeah, I. I just thought of really quick.
Speaker C:Another reason for.
Speaker C:For the coffee being avoidance is also so he stays alert enough not to let his walls down.
Speaker C:So he's continue continually like, keeping up that mask.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because if he.
Speaker C:If he loses that full control that we know Eddie really likes to keep a hold of, then he'll end up, like, being weak and indulging in these.
Speaker C:These joyful things that he still feels like he doesn't deserve.
Speaker C:So it's a way for him to be like.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And also isn't coffee like a.
Speaker C:It curbs your appetite.
Speaker C:So it's him just like, trying to avoid like any of that weakness coming through.
Speaker C:Because that's really what he still sees that the sweet treats the joy as is weakness, but it's not.
Speaker C:That was just my brain bus.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker B:You ready to talk about she who Must Not Be Named?
Speaker C:Yeah, this is perfect.
Speaker A:It's like landing on everyone.
Speaker A:So, like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Oh, Helena Diaz, when we catch you.
Speaker B:And season 8 episode 13 Invisible I'm gonna strangle this woman.
Speaker B:So Eddie is doing Uber eats, I'm assuming, as along with the Uber driving.
Speaker B:So he's like, you know, he's shopping for the groceries and delivering them.
Speaker B:So he's loading groceries into his car in the parking lot, and he runs into his mom, and she's like, what are you doing?
Speaker B:Stocking up for a sugar crash.
Speaker B:Are these really the healthiest choices you could make, bro?
Speaker B:And he's like, they're not for me.
Speaker B:I'm delivering them.
Speaker B:And she's like, well, I guess that's better than thinking it's what's in your cupboards.
Speaker C:When Christopher comes to visit, we were incensed when we.
Speaker C:When we watch that.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:He's like, no.
Speaker B:And Chris Comes over, we usually just drink and smoke cigars.
Speaker C:A form of indulgence, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, like, literally out of the mouth of the devil herself.
Speaker B:We see the root cause of the.
Speaker B:The sweets and juice repression, do we not?
Speaker C:We do.
Speaker B:She's shaming a grown man for the kinds of groceries he's buying.
Speaker A:And she's.
Speaker C:And she's excusing this as, you know, being conscious and.
Speaker C:And wanting to care for Christopher, which I think is interesting when you pair that up with Buck as well, in.
Speaker C:In trying to provide, you know, something joyful for Christopher, too.
Speaker C:But Whereas, you know, bucks is like protein cookies, you know, so there's a little bit of, like, healthiness in there, I guess, as far as, like, cookies can be healthy.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:But like, for Helena, it's.
Speaker C:It's no, like, no sugar, no additives, no anything.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's giving very, like, almond mom just like, very kind of controlling of what the people around her eat.
Speaker C:And you can't put anything bad in your body and.
Speaker C:Because that's weakness.
Speaker C:So it goes back to that impetus of, like, sugar, sweet things equals joy equals bad.
Speaker C:And that's what Eddie is trying to unlearn, and he's having a hard time doing it.
Speaker A:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker A:I think we.
Speaker A:We really.
Speaker A:We really, like, came up with some headcanons that I don't even think are, you know, like, untrue because, you know, with Eddie growing up, being told that he needs to be the provider, the caretaker, the man of the house and all that kind of stuff, like, since age of like, fucking 10 years old.
Speaker A:Who knows?
Speaker A:Even.
Speaker C:Even maybe before.
Speaker A:And then we also learn about, like, the ballroom dancing and when he was 14 and all that, and.
Speaker A:And how it, like, became just about winning trophies and stuff like that.
Speaker A:Like, I'm so sure that she was definitely the kind of mom who was like, you can't have this.
Speaker A:You can't have Juicy.
Speaker A:He probably can't.
Speaker A:Couldn't at some point.
Speaker A:He probably couldn't even have a fucking Capri Sun.
Speaker C:So, like, momager, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, she was definitely the mom.
Speaker A:Mature.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's giving that.
Speaker B:She has never indulged her kids or let them have a treat ever once.
Speaker B:So it's like anything that they ever did that brought them joy, she only let them do because it was acceptable for a different reason to her.
Speaker B:So, yeah, like, yeah, he used to love ballroom dancing, but she let him do it because he could win trophies and he could get scholarships, which I don't want scholarships.
Speaker B:You're Getting for ballroom dancing someone, I guess.
Speaker B:But, yeah, it's.
Speaker B:She's literally, if it doesn't serve her and her vision of what you should be doing, she's not gonna let you indulge or treat yourself like that doesn't exist.
Speaker B:Because everything that you're doing should be to be not the best you that you can be.
Speaker B:It's to be the person that she thinks you should be living up to the potential that she sees in you.
Speaker B:She's totally one of those moms.
Speaker B:And she's doing it to Chris, too.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker B:And he confronts her about it in that episode, Chris hates Chess.
Speaker B:You did the same thing to me while I'm dancing.
Speaker B:And, you know, if you directly compare the way that, you know, like Rachel was saying, the way that Buck indulged Eddie and Chris with a cookie, that, like, it's a sweet treat, but it also has.
Speaker B:Has some, you know, sustenance to it.
Speaker B:But when, like, Buck came over and he brought a whole basket of baked goods to Eddie.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker B:And compare that to, you know, what else.
Speaker B:What does Eddie do?
Speaker B:He buys Chris a PlayStation.
Speaker C:Like, he.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:They're doing stuff to indulge, like, actual interest or things that will bring the person that they're.
Speaker B:That they care about joy, that will make them happy, not just, like, is this healthy for their body or the vision that I have for them.
Speaker C:Yeah, like.
Speaker C:Like Eddie and Christopher or Eddie and Buck do that in the way that, like, they're.
Speaker C:They're giving something.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And then Helena is doing the.
Speaker C:Taking care of by, like, removing something out of the orbit, which still goes for, like, all of the ballroom dancing and the.
Speaker C:And the chest, because those should be joyful, like, fun things.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And she is removing the joy out of it because it can be.
Speaker C:I. I lost the word that I was trying to think of.
Speaker C:But she's removing the joy from it because it can be.
Speaker A:Not damaging, is it?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Like, not really useful.
Speaker B:But she sees joy as a distraction.
Speaker B:Like it's.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker A:Or something that's unnecessary.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Like frivolous.
Speaker C:She takes something that's joyful, removes the joy from it.
Speaker C:Because it can be kind of, like, manipulated in a way that will be productive in.
Speaker C:In a.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like getting awards and trophies kind of way.
Speaker C:Like something with notoriety, I think was what I was trying to say.
Speaker C:Something along those lines.
Speaker B:Something that will fall into her vision of, like, success for her children so that she can tell other people how successful her children are.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And take credit for it.
Speaker B:I'm so sure, probably.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, think about how she doesn't even acknowledge that he was a firefighter during that episode.
Speaker B:No, she's like, look at you now.
Speaker B:You're an Uber driver.
Speaker C:Which is so funny because, you know, like, Eddie has a silver star.
Speaker C:You would think that would be the pinnacle of her achievement.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, it really only impressed his dad.
Speaker C:Nothing about it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways, Cynthia's parents.
Speaker A:One day it's gonna be on site.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know from who, and I don't know if it'll ever happen, but if I come across YouTube on site.
Speaker A:Oh, it's me.
Speaker A:How do I even talk about the last hurrah?
Speaker C:Every time.
Speaker C:Every time I start typing it, I'm like, the last hurrah.
Speaker A:They should really retitle this episode as the Last Hurrah in honor of me.
Speaker A:If you know, you know.
Speaker A:So 8, 16.
Speaker A:The last alarms.
Speaker C:The buddy system retitles episode or the.
Speaker A:Last Hurrah, whichever you guys think is the official title.
Speaker A:It's the Return of the Prodigal Son or the MCU Disney Channel cameo appearance of Eddie Diaz.
Speaker A:Him and his two minutes of screen time, which mostly was funeral montage and crumpet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, the sweet treat.
Speaker A:It was the com.
Speaker B:The sweet treat.
Speaker C:What were you missing?
Speaker A:I erased the R for some reason.
Speaker A:Anyway, the sweet.
Speaker C:Yeah, I noticed the sweet.
Speaker C:Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker C:Let me finish.
Speaker A:What are you back?
Speaker C:I'm shutting up.
Speaker C:This is bad.
Speaker A:Holding weight.
Speaker A:The sweet treat present was the crumpet, which we don't really know where it came from.
Speaker A:But I'm.
Speaker A:We're all.
Speaker A:I think we've all had canon or just assumed the made them.
Speaker B:So it's like a griddle bread that you put jam on, some more fruit.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And he was doing scones before, so, like, I don't know.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's kind of similar.
Speaker B:Very more towards bread.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it sense.
Speaker A:Yeah, it made sense.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:I think it's pretty connected, really.
Speaker A:Connected to two previous evidence shown.
Speaker B:You wrote avoidance being off screen.
Speaker B:This is a joke.
Speaker C:Incredible.
Speaker A:This is how I take notes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker C:It's a great system.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think.
Speaker C:I think the crumpet, like, it's.
Speaker C:It's something I think about how it's just coming home.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:Did you have more to say on that?
Speaker A:Oh, well, yeah.
Speaker A:So sorry.
Speaker A:While I really interrupted.
Speaker A:Rachel.
Speaker A:So like, the crumpet.
Speaker A:I mean, really, like, it is coming home because, like, this is Eddie coming back from.
Speaker A:From El Paso.
Speaker A:Unfortunately, it's for Bobby's funeral.
Speaker A:And, you know, it's been so long since we had, like, Buck and Eddie together.
Speaker A:I guess this is where I can actually incorporate.
Speaker A:Which it did have, like, a kind of moment looking at each other where, you know, Eddie and this is that glaring, like, hint of, like, how Eddie's.
Speaker A:The rest of Eddie's season is going to, you know, keep going, which is him saying, I should have been there.
Speaker A:So there's that guilt and all of that.
Speaker A:And then Buck is like, you're here now.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But, yeah, the crumpet really is, like, coming home into, like, what, you know, kind of thing.
Speaker A:And like, maybe, like, oh, we're maybe thinking that we're all in this together, but, you know, we soon see in the following episode that maybe we're not all in this together necessarily.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think there's definitely something to be said about how this is such an emotionally vulnerable time for everybody in.
Speaker C:At the 118, like the extended 118 family that, like, you know, kind of how what we were saying.
Speaker C:Eddie's.
Speaker C:Try.
Speaker C:Eddie always tries to, like, keep those walls up, you know, keep.
Speaker C:Keep that distance, keep that facade that for.
Speaker C:For something like the death of Bobby to occur, like, that's gonna.
Speaker C:That's gonna bring it, like, tumbling down, like.
Speaker C:Like the building in the next episode.
Speaker C:But I think him indulging in the baked goods here with the crumpet is also him expressing in.
Speaker C:In a very subtle way, like, his.
Speaker C:His emotions and his vulnerability and how, like, upset he is.
Speaker C:So he's looking to, like, hold on to any little piece of joy that he can because this is such, like, a lack of joy full time.
Speaker C:Like, literally the worst time.
Speaker C:And I don't know, I just.
Speaker C:I feel.
Speaker C:I feel like it's him just, like, trying to.
Speaker C:To, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Hold on to one little thing that he can.
Speaker B:I think it's like trying to find comfort.
Speaker B:It's like a comfort food because it's like a.
Speaker B:It's like a griddled bread.
Speaker B:So it's, like, very buttery, and you put fruit on it with more butter.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker B:It's very much just like, trying to find comfort.
Speaker B:And things always taste better when they're homemade from someone you love.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In a place that you feel like you're at home.
Speaker B:So I think it's very much like him.
Speaker B:He's probably eaten, like, four of them.
Speaker B:It's very much him.
Speaker B:He's kind of eating his feelings again.
Speaker B:But, like, I think it is very much like trying to hold on to that comfort that, like, he hasn't felt since he was last there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's like, it's there, but it's not the same because obviously he's there for a funeral.
Speaker C:Totally.
Speaker A:And I think it kind of, like, I don't want to talk about the next thing.
Speaker A:I think, can.
Speaker A:It's your turn.
Speaker A:But, like, I think it.
Speaker A:It really, truly is, like, holding on to it because once we get to that next episode or the following episode, it's kind of taken away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So then we get to 8:17, which is titled Don't Drink the Water, which I know we all thought it was pertaining to some.
Speaker C:Some other storylines.
Speaker C:I. I do still think the title is, like, kind of ironic for this kind of conversation.
Speaker C:But we get, you know, the whole the kitchen fight with.
Speaker C:With Buck and Eddie.
Speaker C:So, like, we're assuming the sweet treats are what Tia Peppa prepared for dinner.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:During.
Speaker C:During that apology thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But even before that, I think it's interesting because we see the avoidance, like, with coffee again, because Eddie is talking to Hen and Karen and they're drinking coffee and they're pouring coffee, and.
Speaker C:And Eddie is specifically talking about, you know, getting.
Speaker C:Getting the job offer at the El Paso Fire Department and then talking about, like, avoiding telling Buck.
Speaker C:So we.
Speaker C:We see him drink the coffee again when they go into the kitchen or like, when Eddie enters the kitchen and Buck is already, like, mad because he found out about the job, not through Eddie, but.
Speaker C:And Eddie is there, like, pouring himself another cup of coffee because he's, like, he was trying to avoid telling Buck about the job.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:It's that avoidance that trying to, like, keep those walls up, even though that whole conversation is, like, trying to reach each other, like, emotionally, but it doesn't really work.
Speaker C:So then it's the apology when he brings in Chris and Peppa for, like, family dinner.
Speaker C:So in this instance, it's kind of like a reverse of, you know, making.
Speaker C:Making things for Eddie, because then it's Eddie being able to, well, use to Peppa to.
Speaker C:To provide and to.
Speaker C:To care for Buck as part of this apology.
Speaker C:So it's a little bit of an indulgence in that way because he's.
Speaker C:He's trying to make up for.
Speaker A:For what was said and done in the kitchen and for the coffee.
Speaker A:Like, it's just interesting because in the kitchen scene, when Buck is on.
Speaker A:I guess when he's, like, on that left side, that corner behind him, there's A there's the powder coffee mate creamer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Obviously Eddie's not reaching for that.
Speaker A:So he's straight up drinking black coffee.
Speaker A:Which again, to me, like, for someone who seems to like to indulge in a lot of sweets, based on the evidence herein, you know, odd thing not to grab.
Speaker A:And honestly, I don't even think, like, okay, so this is more headcanon territory.
Speaker A:I don't even think, like, he would, like, if he was making his own coffee.
Speaker C:I don't even think he would be.
Speaker A:Using the powdered because, like, I think that's gross.
Speaker A:Anyway, he'd use that, like, nice organic creamer.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:And I'm sure that I feel like that coffee was cold anyway, but it's been sitting there hours since the morning.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's really punishing himself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then kind of like.
Speaker A:And kind of what I.
Speaker A:Like I said a few minutes ago, like, again, like, there's the absence.
Speaker A:Like, everything feels like the opposite.
Speaker A:So, like, the crumpet was like, the last, like, sweet treat that he had.
Speaker A:And then especially made.
Speaker A:Most likely made by Buck.
Speaker A:And so now there's just nothing.
Speaker A:It's just empty.
Speaker A:So that's what we have also.
Speaker C:I don't think we wrote it down, but he in masks when they come back to the station after the.
Speaker C:After he treated Buck spoils and everything.
Speaker C:And he goes to pour himself, like, a black cup of coffee and he's literally avoiding eye contact with butt.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's not looking at him.
Speaker A:That's what I was saying.
Speaker A:Like, I feel like masks, I mean, he really was wearing or.
Speaker A:Or some.
Speaker A:There was just some kind of mask going on with him.
Speaker A:Especially in that episode.
Speaker A:That was, like, very telling, but, like, he was still acted.
Speaker A:He still cared for Buck.
Speaker A:Like, there was nothing wrong with the way he acted, but there was just something that was very telling that obviously would be revealed in later episodes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Eddie.
Speaker C:Plot of it all, which again, I still think is kind of.
Speaker C:Because they did 806 before 805, so it just kind of.
Speaker C:It bled into each other.
Speaker A:But one of those things.
Speaker C:It still works, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Do we have anything for 818 besides, like, the.
Speaker C:Does the barbecue going away party really count?
Speaker A:I didn't really count it.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:There has to be a cake there, right?
Speaker C:I don't think I saw a cake.
Speaker C:It was just like, Mac and cheese and barbecue and corn.
Speaker B:Damn him.
Speaker C:Huh?
Speaker A:Cornbread.
Speaker C:Cornbread, maybe it was like, you can.
Speaker B:Have cake when you move back here.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Bring back the fun cakes.
Speaker C:For the parties.
Speaker C:We need that.
Speaker C:They all need that.
Speaker C:And then I guess because like the Juice theory and the Sweet Treats theory is so like season eight centric.
Speaker C:That's what we wanted to focus on.
Speaker C:But I think there are a couple interesting, interesting moments outside of season eight that specifically relate to like Eddie's repression of feelings or other things.
Speaker C:So we'll just like really quickly maybe include those as well.
Speaker C:So like as bonus evidence.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Kind of, kind of like how couch theory, you know, spanned across.
Speaker C:So in 206, which is dose, that was the whole incident with the, with the LSD laced brownies.
Speaker C:And I think that's also very interesting.
Speaker C:One of my favorite episodes because it shows how all of the characters who got dose, like act differently.
Speaker C:And I think specifically for Eddie, he was very.
Speaker C:He was feeling like very out of control.
Speaker C:And all of this happened because he indulged in the brownies.
Speaker C:So then he was feeling just like very not himself.
Speaker C:But there's also like this element of, of freedom there, like feeling unencumbered by like these walls that you're.
Speaker C:That he's putting up.
Speaker C:So I thought that was interesting.
Speaker C:And then I thought this one was particularly interesting for 5:15 FOMO where Eddie is working at Dispatch and he's talking with May at one point.
Speaker C:And I didn't look it up, but they are having a conversation and he's, He's.
Speaker C:He has a water bottle with him and they're specifically talking about the fear of missing out.
Speaker C:And I think this is the conversation where May says something to the effect of like, don't you kind of like, wonder what, you know, something would be like otherwise?
Speaker C:And to me I was like, oh, that's kind of related to the Juice theory because that's another thing that he, that he chose like water in lieu of something else.
Speaker C:So that fear of missing out, that, that idea of, you know, treating yourself or indulging in like this other thoughts or, or what ifs sort of scenarios that might be an interesting thing to incorporate as well.
Speaker C:And then in 6:15 with death and Taxes, we have Eddie and Chris making s' mores and just the idea that s' mores remind both Christopher and Eddie of Shannon.
Speaker C:So that's, that's another kind of like, layer to relating sweet treats to someone that is very important to you or someone that you love.
Speaker C:So like, Shannon equals s', mores, sweet treats, joy, that kind of stuff.
Speaker C:So kind of in a, In a weird like, tie in to like also equals Buck.
Speaker C:Like, I know that's a bit of a stretch there, but I was like, I feel like there's.
Speaker C:There's a.
Speaker C:A gooey marshmallowy thread maybe.
Speaker C:And then in 706, there goes the groom with the bachelor party.
Speaker C:And Eddie is, you know, obviously throughout the course of the bachelor party, has indulged.
Speaker C:Very much so.
Speaker C:And kind of like with dose, like, let's loosen.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like, like, we don't see that very often.
Speaker C:So he indulges in the alcohol to, like, hangover level.
Speaker C:Like hangover, the movie level.
Speaker C:Blackout.
Speaker C:And he also, like, wanted to eat the sliders before anyone got there, but, like, slapped his hand away.
Speaker C:Then something.
Speaker C:Something about, like, Eddie hands Tommy juice.
Speaker C:Juice equals joy.
Speaker C:Joy equals buck.
Speaker C:Ta da.
Speaker A:Okay, I see what you're putting down.
Speaker A:I was like, wait.
Speaker C:I'm connecting the dots.
Speaker C:Okay, so, like, Eddie is not indulging in the juice.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's handing it over.
Speaker A:Here's the obvious, though, because, like, the.
Speaker A:The whole juice theory thing.
Speaker A:Here's unfortunately the gay man that we have indulging in juice.
Speaker A:So there you go.
Speaker A:It's like, it's kind of like, eddie.
Speaker C:This could be you.
Speaker A:Which he kind of did because he was making, like, potions in the background.
Speaker A:He was just making, like, all kinds.
Speaker C:Of concoctions, which I understand amateur mixologist over there, right?
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then he got to let loose.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is a great tie in for.
Speaker C:Our next minisode.
Speaker C:All about the bachelor party.
Speaker C:But yeah, I think that about covers it.
Speaker C:Covers it.
Speaker C:Or at least our very quick rundown of Juice and.
Speaker C:And sweet treat theory.
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