I Won't Say I'm In Love (Season 8 Episode 11)
Buck: No chance, no way, I won’t say it, no, no.
Us: You swoon, you sigh. Why deny it? Oh-oh.
Buck: It’s too cliché, I won’t say I’m in love.
This week your muses Han, Cil, and Rachel unpack Buck’s latest existential crisis—because Zeus knows he won’t. Season 8, Episode 11 of 9-1-1, “Holy Mother of God” struck a chord so loud we had to devote an entire special episode to it.
We discuss the merits, or lack thereof, when it comes to redeeming parents as Bobby’s “holy mother” makes a reappearance in his life and how he finds forgiveness and understanding in his big ol’ heart for her… despite our protests.
Buck's emotional journey takes center stage as he navigates abandonment issues like a professional crashout artist (he has so much practice y’all). Buck continues to be unsure and unaware of his own feelings, much to Maddie’s—and our—visible dismay.
We praise the ‘The Return of the Plot Device’ and break down the eyebrow-raising unconscious confessions his scoff and eyeroll shook out of Buck.
This episode canonically brings Buddie from subtext to text, with Tommy and Maddie addressing the Eddie-shaped elephant in the room, making Buck and the audience ponder if Buck is in love with Eddie and if Eddie is *really* as straight as Buck claims.
Eddie may be in Texas, but his presence is still very much felt—from his house Buck’s haunting, Buck’s ex he’s haunting, and on the job where he’s haunting poor, poor Ravi.
We also celebrate the fantastic direction by Aisha Hinds, who captures the essence of our favorite characters while implementing her own perspective and artistic flair.
Join the buddies for some spoilery speculation surrounding the latest looks behind-the-scenes of upcoming episodes including a special segment of us spinning out while taking it all in.
Buck, denial is a river in Egypt, your feelings for your “straight best friend” are GAY. Read our lips, you’re in love.
📔 Articles Mentioned
📰 “It’s Going There”: Star & Director Aisha Hinds Unpacks 9-1-1 Season 8 Episode 11 & Teases What’s Next, Screen Rant
📰 9-1-1’s Aisha Hinds on Handling Bobby’s Mom and the Buddie Conversation for Her Directorial Debut (Exclusive), US Weekly
📰 ‘9-1-1’ Creator Says Buck’s Buddie Denial Is Not the End, but ‘It Doesn’t Mean I’m Making Promises’, The Wrap
📔 Fanworks Mentioned:
🎬 I Won’t Say I’m In Love, Buck edit by nebulastarlights, TikTok
📈 “Buck” and “Eddie” Spoken Name Graph by jackwhiteprophetic, TikTok
🎨 8b Color Theory Thread by sammyunhinged, Twitter
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Chapters:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:13) General Thoughts
(00:07:13) Season Themes
(00:09:31) Aisha’s Directorial Debut
(00:15:06) Needle Drop
(00:22:23) Bobby - Character Arc Highlights
(00:40:25) Buck - Character Arc Highlights
(00:57:24) The Return of the Plot Device
(01:25:08) Is Buck in Love with Eddie?
(01:44:25) Parallels
(01:48:25) “Eddie Has a Silver Star”
(02:00:26) Into the Looking Glass
(02:05:34) Behind the Scenes Leak & Our Ensuing Crashout
(02:16:48) What Ifs & Speculation
(02:35:39) Outro & Take a Buddie With You
Transcript
Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?
Speaker B:A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.
Speaker C:This is the Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DMed each other enough character dissertations to earn a PhD in media literacy.
Speaker A:I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.
Speaker B:I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.
Speaker C:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
Speaker A:With our powers combined, no stone is.
Speaker C:Left unturned, and no buddy is left behind.
Speaker C:This week, we talk about how Bobby's mom has no rights, the plot device.
Speaker B:Has one, and Buck can't hear his own feelings confession.
Speaker B:This episode brought to you by your straight best friend.
Speaker B:Welcome to the Buddy System.
Speaker A:This is our fifth special covering season eight, and today we're talking about season eight, episode 11, holy mother of God.
Speaker A:Written by Taylor Wong and Derek Sioch.
Speaker A:Directed by Aisha Hunt.
Speaker C:Yay.
Speaker C:That's our girl.
Speaker A:So, yeah, this was an incredible episode to watch.
Speaker A:Some general thoughts to start us off.
Speaker A:I guess I have watched this episode not a normal amount of times.
Speaker A:I've also watched us reacting to the episode not a normal amount of times because it was just really funny.
Speaker A:And our friend Meg joined us and there's just so many different spectrum of things happening.
Speaker C:Spectrum of reactions.
Speaker A:Yeah, a lot of feelings about the Bobby stuff happening.
Speaker A:But, like, let's be real, it was just about.
Speaker A:It was just about Buck and the ghost of Eddie haunting this episode that he's not even in.
Speaker A:It was insane to experience.
Speaker A:I felt out of my body.
Speaker A: ike that since, like November: Speaker C:Which you did.
Speaker C:Not actually.
Speaker A:For legal reasons and just actual truth reasons.
Speaker A:I just have never done that.
Speaker A:Snorting the yaoi crack.
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker A:Let's be specific anyway.
Speaker A:It's incredible.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:11 out of 10, no notes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So if you are subscribed to our Patreon, you would have already seen the reaction video.
Speaker B:But if you're not, you should definitely subscribe because I'll tell you why.
Speaker B:Or in Petra, Pascal's word.
Speaker B:Well, it's not hearing.
Speaker B:You should see this too.
Speaker B:We were just yelling.
Speaker B:I mean, this is the one time I'm like, I.
Speaker B:I don't hate that man for saying what he had to say.
Speaker B:He got it off his chest, you know, he said.
Speaker C:And we appreciate that.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:We totally appreciate that.
Speaker B:Truly.
Speaker B:Great job.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, but I mean, that that episode was wild.
Speaker B:I also watched it an unhealthy amount of times.
Speaker B:There's lots of quotes that I just have to, like, replay because I'm like, that's insane.
Speaker B:That's some insane shit that just came out of this character's mouth.
Speaker B:Can't believe this is real.
Speaker B:Maybe I'm the one in the coma dream.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe the Chroma dream were the friends we.
Speaker B:Along the way.
Speaker B:Maybe that was the start of the coma dream.
Speaker C:It's actually our coma dream.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker A:It's not Eddie's.
Speaker C:It's our hallucination.
Speaker C:Wouldn't be the first time.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:Truly.
Speaker B:We really sniffed.
Speaker C:Metaphorically.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, we really.
Speaker B:We really.
Speaker B:For legal reasons, we're joking.
Speaker B:This is a joke.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know what I was on that night, but I was on something and it was definitely the buddy crack.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, I need more of it.
Speaker B:Tim, please, I beg.
Speaker B:Don't let me down now.
Speaker B:Anyway, great episode.
Speaker B:10 out of 10.
Speaker B:Aisha Hines, you are queen, you know, Absolute queen.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker B:Rachel, how you feeling?
Speaker C:This was such an interesting episode experience for me personally, because I was on my own unofficial Crossover with Dr.
Speaker C:Odyssey.
Speaker A:Not sponsored.
Speaker B:Not for legal reasons.
Speaker B:This is not sponsored.
Speaker C:It just so happened.
Speaker C:And I swear, this is.
Speaker C:This stuff is weird.
Speaker C:It just so happens that I was going on a cruise the day of, like, the Dr.
Speaker C:Odyssey crossover, so I was so stressed out, I was like, I have to get Internet access because there was no way I wasn't going to watch this episode and also episode 12.
Speaker C:But some of the bugs got worked out by then, so I was just like.
Speaker C:I was in a different place physically.
Speaker C:I was in a different place mentally, like.
Speaker C:And then after the episode, we were all in a different place emotionally.
Speaker C:So this was just like, literally a wild ride for me to watch with you guys and Meg as well.
Speaker C:So, like, it.
Speaker C:It kind of still feels a little bit like a fever dream.
Speaker C:I think these last two weeks have been a little bit of a fever dream.
Speaker C:Three weeks, four weeks.
Speaker C:However long it's been since we've been back for 8B.
Speaker A:Thursday is a month.
Speaker A:That's four weeks.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Where has the time gone?
Speaker A:Taken our brain cells, that's for fucking sure.
Speaker C:It really.
Speaker A:It really has.
Speaker C:I feel like we've been kind of just like, flying on high and we have kind of yet to come down.
Speaker C:Ooh, it's coming soon.
Speaker B:Rach.
Speaker B:Rachel, don't jinx it.
Speaker A:Well, she Said coming soon.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker A:There.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker C:I'm just going with the facts that we have.
Speaker C:Facts, yes.
Speaker C:But, yeah, this episode was pretty incredible.
Speaker C:I think it was a very strong episode.
Speaker C:Like, I don't think we'll be able to espouse enough, like, praise for Aisha Heinz directorial debut.
Speaker C:So, like, kudos, many appreciations and gratitudes and just, like, kind of blown away.
Speaker C:Yeah, blown away by.
Speaker C:By her direction in this episode.
Speaker C:We'll talk about it more a little bit later.
Speaker C:And just the buddy of it all.
Speaker C:I can't believe, like, we're getting some of this in, like, talking about in canon now.
Speaker C:It's crazy.
Speaker C:Can't wait for more.
Speaker A:Anyway, so let's just breeze into some of these season themes that we continue to see.
Speaker A:I think the biggest one for this episode for me was abandonment, because Buck has been abandoned by Eddie and Bobby's been abandoned by his mother.
Speaker A:So this is just like, pretty straight up.
Speaker C:Yeah, that is a big theme this year, especially looking at abandonment in terms of, like, in relationships, like peer to peer relationships or romantic relationships, but also parent to child relationships.
Speaker A:So there's situationships.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:There's a lot going on with that.
Speaker C:Of course, that relates to love and family and how important, like, the family units are.
Speaker C:And we're seeing a lot more, like, coming together for some of.
Speaker C:For some of those family units, but also breaking them apart.
Speaker C:Which brings us to.
Speaker C:Now, this episode is not called Disconnected.
Speaker C:That's the next episode.
Speaker C:But I think there's a lot of themes around disconnection and reconnection or reunion in this episode that moves into 8:12 as well.
Speaker C:So it's like feeling displaced physically or emotionally.
Speaker C:You know, Buck is displaced out of his loft and he's.
Speaker C:He feels disconnected from Eddie because Eddie is no longer there, obviously, emotionally and.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker C:Huh?
Speaker A:No Eddie.
Speaker C:Boo.
Speaker C:Boo.
Speaker C:A line that will live in infamy.
Speaker C:Then you also get this reconnection.
Speaker C:So you see this reunion with Bobby and his mom and his brother and kind of mending bridges with the family.
Speaker C:We'll see that have kind of like a through thread in the next episode with Eddie specifically.
Speaker C:But I think this episode was really laying some of that groundwork, you know, because they tend to do like, two to three episode arcs, and those are kind of a unit thematically.
Speaker C:So I think, like, 11, 12, 13 are going to be like that kind of disconnection.
Speaker C:Reconnection for a lot of our characters.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:All right, so a few things for talking about behind the scenes.
Speaker C:I don't think we'll be able to espouse enough, like, praise for Aisha Heinz directorial debut.
Speaker C:It was incredible.
Speaker C:I think I said this when we were watching it, so it might be on the live.
Speaker C:Either on the live stream or the reaction, but it just seemed like such a cohesive entry into the 911 canon.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like, it felt.
Speaker C:So this is.
Speaker C:This is what this show has always felt like.
Speaker C:This is what it always is.
Speaker C:And I think that's really hard for anybody to come in as a director because they switch them out week by week and not all of them are returning.
Speaker C:That must be such a hard thing, a hard feat to accomplish.
Speaker C:And to have to be able to kind of do that, like, on your first go round as director is pretty impeccable.
Speaker C:And I think that speaks to her awareness of the.
Speaker C:The show as a whole, but also, like, how the cast works together, how the crew works together, everything, all of it, just like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I would like to add on that, like, I think that she gave her own kind of, like, artistic touch.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because it did feel very much, you know, like, seamlessly a part of every other episode of 911.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, it wasn't like something feels there's a disturbance in the force, but it did.
Speaker A:It did feel very much like there were maybe like, different angles or like, like different kind of lighting or different kind of like it was just a little more artistic.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And then I think there was just something so special about her directing, you know, the people that she's become very good friends with, her co workers.
Speaker A:But especially Oliver and especially this episode and subject matter.
Speaker A:Like, I just think there's something like, I think this would have been a great episode regardless of who directed it, but I think it would have been a different outcome, like, in what we saw and maybe in Oliver's performance too, if someone else were directing it.
Speaker C:I think there really is something special to be said about the relationship that Aisha Hines has with the cast, specifically, because we can see that on play out on screen.
Speaker C:And she did a couple interviews and I'll just pull a couple quotes from there.
Speaker C:And she said that she was in the pool of directors for the season, and they don't get to.
Speaker C:They don't get to choose what episode they do.
Speaker C:It just kind of.
Speaker C:I don't know how they decide it, but the powers that be, whatever they may be, decided wink.
Speaker C:And she said, like, I can't even say that I chose 8 11.
Speaker C:811 chose me.
Speaker C:And they just assign.
Speaker C:So she was in the pool for the directors, and they just assign where they see fit.
Speaker C:And I think this one fit very much so not only because of the Bobby storyline.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And she says that she pulled a lot of stuff from, like, her own faith walk, but also in feeling pressured to do justice about addressing Buddy, like explicitly in.
Speaker C:In the.
Speaker C:In the text.
Speaker C:And she said in one interview, she said, you guys, why would you give me that responsibility?
Speaker C:So I think.
Speaker C:I think she was very aware, she said, because now they're gonna look at me as the person who is making the decision about how this story should go.
Speaker C:And she.
Speaker C:She went on a little later to say that she hopes in seasons to come, we'll be able to.
Speaker C:To see more of that and do so in a way that truly honors Buck and the journey that he's been on since season one.
Speaker C:So it seems like she was very aware of, like, the assignment that she was given.
Speaker A:She understood the assignment.
Speaker B:She really did understand the assignment.
Speaker C:She probably understood the assignment better than anyone else.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Could or as.
Speaker C:Or as well as anybody else could.
Speaker C:And that's just so great.
Speaker C:She did such a great job.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And you really can see, like, her artistic style because she has such a great, like, fashion style.
Speaker C:So it.
Speaker C:It makes sense that.
Speaker A:Well, and she loves art.
Speaker A:Like, she's constantly at art shows, like, posting them on her stories and stuff.
Speaker A:So I just know that, like, that.
Speaker A:That trans.
Speaker A:I don't know if she's an artist herself, like, other than obviously acting and.
Speaker C:That, like a visual.
Speaker A:A visual artist.
Speaker A:But, like, it seems like regardless she.
Speaker C:Has an artistic or isn't an artistic eye.
Speaker A:It very much comes through.
Speaker A:And I can't wait to see her direct something else.
Speaker A:I'm sure it's going to be kind of probably like a one once a season kind of thing.
Speaker A:Like we saw with Jensen.
Speaker A:I think he.
Speaker A:He got to direct like, one a season.
Speaker A:It's very hard when you're also, like, directing yourself.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, like, it obviously had to be a very hen light episode, which, like.
Speaker C:We love hen and we know we're going to see her later.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But we would.
Speaker C:I think we speak for a lot of people when we say, more please.
Speaker A:More please.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker A:And if any of the other casts, like, want to direct, we would love to see them throw their hand at it too.
Speaker C:That would be so much fun.
Speaker C:They would all do such a good job.
Speaker A:All right, so a couple songs to go over for Needle drop in this episode.
Speaker A:It's going to be more vibe based than normal because two of them I feel were songs that were written for production and I cannot find the lyrics.
Speaker A:And they're on Spotify.
Speaker A:Spotify.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A: is, like, very reverby, like,: Speaker A:So it's kind of hard to, like, hear the enunciation on a lot of it.
Speaker A:I mean, they're fun songs.
Speaker A:I liked them.
Speaker A:Two of them are by Silly Me, one word.
Speaker A:And the first one plays at the beginning of the episode when Buck is in Eddie's house or his house now with the movers and just kind of staring around, looking kind of aimless.
Speaker A:The song is called Sun Goes.
Speaker A:And the lyrics that, like, you hear very clearly before any dialogue starts and that come up, like in the transcript are Everybody wants to wake up where the sun goes.
Speaker A:And I listen to the song and kind of.
Speaker A:Even though it sounds like a very happy go lucky song, really what it's about is going through a hard time and basically telling yourself to not draw attention to yourself, to bite your tongue and don't make a sound.
Speaker A:Because everybody wants to wake up where the sun goes.
Speaker A:So I kind of interpreted this to be like, everyone wants to be around sunshine happy go lucky Buck.
Speaker A:And he feels like when he's feeling down, out Misplaced.
Speaker A:This song does talk about, like, feeling down and out.
Speaker A:That he can't really show that because that's not what the people around him want from him.
Speaker C:That's not what's expected.
Speaker A:That's not what's expected.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:And there's a particular line at one point in the bridge, it says, clench your jaw while you're asleep.
Speaker A:Because I think it's like, listing a bunch of things that you're actually experiencing instead of this waking up where the sun goes.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So the anxiety, the stress that he's going through right now.
Speaker A:So I thought that was, like a really good song selection.
Speaker A:And then the other song by this band is called Below, and that plays at the bar and then at Eddie's house with the plot device is back again, devising those plots.
Speaker C:We will also talk about that later.
Speaker A:But they did one of those things that I fucking love, which is they started with the diegetic sound because the song is playing in the bar.
Speaker A:And so I think we hear, like, almost this entire song or like a good amount of it.
Speaker C:And then it's playing for the entire.
Speaker A:Scene at the bar.
Speaker A:And it switches from being diegetic to being the soundtrack.
Speaker A:When it switches over to Eddie's house.
Speaker C:Almost like it Followed them over.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And this song, this was interesting.
Speaker A:I suggest going and taking a listen to it.
Speaker A:There are some lyrics that did pop up, like, in the transcript, and I think those are probably the ones that they were really trying to focus on.
Speaker A:But it's basically about.
Speaker A:About never finding a home.
Speaker A:And it basically gives the vibes of telling a story of, like, someone who spent their younger years, like, being a vagabond, having a good time, like, going out partying, like, just being the good time person, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Not, like, really putting down roots or settling down or finding a place to call home.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:And I'm like, this is still Buck.
Speaker A:Even though we know that he has put down roots in la, he still hasn't found a home.
Speaker A:Home in the sense of, like, his nuclear family, as in, like, building a life of, like, when you're with your partner, like, home can be a lot of things.
Speaker A:Like, obviously, because there's not only, like, romantic love.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker C:He has his home 118 in the found family.
Speaker C:But not, like, when everyone else goes.
Speaker A:Home to their families.
Speaker A:Where does Buck go?
Speaker A:Alone by himself, especially.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:He was either alone by himself or.
Speaker A:To Eddie and Chris.
Speaker A:And then it was to just Eddie, and now it's just to Eddie's place by himself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think it has a lot to do with, like, just who he is, where he is in his life, and then also just specifically to do with that house.
Speaker A:And, like, I know he did this, like, took over the sublighting it to, like, help Eddie.
Speaker A:But I also think a big part of that is also him just having an attachment to that place because it has always felt like home.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But now he's experiencing this weird feeling.
Speaker C:Oh, would you say that home is not a place, it's a people.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker C:Pulling that out from.
Speaker C:What was that, season one or season two?
Speaker C:I forget.
Speaker A:It's also Thor.
Speaker C:Oh, fine.
Speaker A:Well, that's what I think of because that's where I heard it first.
Speaker B:Why does it sound like it was from season two?
Speaker A:It's what it might be.
Speaker C:I think that's what Michael said.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then just really quickly, the last song is Alone by the Cry, and that's playing in the Buck who's gonna be okay scene at the end where he's unpacking.
Speaker A:Finally at Eddie's place.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm not gonna really get into the lyrics, because it is.
Speaker A:Again, they were up on the transcript.
Speaker A:And this one, you can actually go look at the lyrics.
Speaker A:You should give it A listen to.
Speaker A:I think what I was kind of getting from it is like, are you enough for yourself by yourself?
Speaker A:And I think if that's the correct vibes that they're trying to give, I think that is a very good journey for a book to be going on right now.
Speaker A:Like, I know we're all like, feelings realization book, but I think in order to be in a good, healthy relationship, you need to be happy by yourself.
Speaker C:Which he.
Speaker C:Which he doesn't historically hasn't really done.
Speaker A:He literally says in this episode, I hate that lesson.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's why he has to learn it again.
Speaker C:Because he didn't.
Speaker A:It didn't quite stick the first time.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because he's.
Speaker C:Because he's always on that journey of, like, he needs.
Speaker C:He needs people.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:And so to, like, get to that self actualization, you know, one must love oneself first.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I mean, I think it's.
Speaker A:That's just the healthy thing to do.
Speaker A:Like, before you get into a relationship, especially your last relationship, is your end game relationship.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is to kind of make sure that you're kind of happy with yourself so that you're not relying on the other person to, like, give you meaning or make you.
Speaker C:Well.
Speaker C:Also for Buck, because if he's still so preoccupied trying to please others.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Before himself.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:He's never going to feel satisfied within himself.
Speaker C:So he has to.
Speaker C:He has to learn that alone lesson, which is like, how to.
Speaker C:It's the same thing from season six.
Speaker C:He has to find happiness.
Speaker C:But that happiness can't come from the outside.
Speaker C:It has to come from the inside.
Speaker A:Well, we have to revisit it because he didn't actually learn this lesson in season six.
Speaker C:Well.
Speaker C:And that's why we're seeing it again.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:Let's get into some character highlights, and we're gonna start with Bobby and I'm so sorry.
Speaker A:I'm so sorry.
Speaker A:Bobby, we love you so much.
Speaker C:We can't deal with this right now.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:We can't deal.
Speaker B:Like, just so everyone knows, today is March 31st.
Speaker A:It's March 31st.
Speaker B:The day after March 30th.
Speaker C:You know what that means now that.
Speaker B:Day will go down on 911 Twitter history.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Bobby.
Speaker C:Bobby.
Speaker C:So much.
Speaker C:We can't think about him right now.
Speaker A:Bobby, Bobby, Bobby makes us sad.
Speaker A:Why is every new piece of Bobby lore that we learn the most insane thing.
Speaker C:Because he is an insane human being.
Speaker C:Actually, he's, like, pretty sane for how insane his backstory is.
Speaker A:I would just like to say this has nothing to do with.
Speaker A:Well, anything except my own read on this situation, which is just that he got the religious trauma from Catholicism and the, like, televangelical evangelical.
Speaker A:And I think that's why, even though he's straight, he's like, I surround myself with gay people only.
Speaker C:To escape.
Speaker C:To escape the vibes.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:There's just something about it that I feel like they canceled each other out.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Where it's like, there should be double layers of homophobia, but they canceled each other.
Speaker C:He worked so hard to combat all of that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That he ended up being the biggest ally ever.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Literally.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker C:Stacks his entire fire station with them.
Speaker A:Gay people only.
Speaker A:Oh, gosh.
Speaker A:So his mother.
Speaker A:I was really hoping that we were going to have an entry into a category that doesn't exist, which is that biological parents deserve rights.
Speaker C:The only people who are in that category are our main characters.
Speaker C:But you're.
Speaker C:But, like, tertiary.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, parents.
Speaker A:And hen's mom.
Speaker C:And hen's mom.
Speaker C:Can't wait to talk about her.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker C:Oh, boy.
Speaker C:Welcome to this can of worms.
Speaker A:This is just so insane.
Speaker A:Like, I don't even know how to approach this.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I guess to talk about, like, the emotional toll on him.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Which is just that Bobby never.
Speaker A:I think Bobby and Buck are.
Speaker A:We know they're very similar, but I think they're very similar in this way specifically.
Speaker A:And how they look at their childhood trauma of what their parents did or didn't do for them, and they look at it as a shortcoming of their own.
Speaker A:Or they don't blame their parents, or they don't hold their parents actually responsible.
Speaker A:Like, we see Buck do that very briefly, but then it's like, oh, no, I have a dead brother, so, like, I can't make it about me.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then for.
Speaker A:For Bobby, it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Well, okay.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:He was more mad about her leaving his dad than leaving him.
Speaker A:And it was very much about, like, his.
Speaker A:His brother and his mom not caring about his dad being gone or not.
Speaker A:Like, he.
Speaker A:He said, like, I feel like I'm the only person who misses him.
Speaker A:And I'm like, why aren't you holding her responsible for leaving you in the situation with your father?
Speaker C:The whole dynamic that they end up having once Bobby, his brother Charlie, and their mom Anne are all together is very interesting because Charlie puts their dad.
Speaker C:And I forget his name at the moment.
Speaker C:Charlie puts their dad on this pedestal and their mom does not.
Speaker C:Bobby does, but doesn't at the Same time, it's a very interesting dynamic because, you know, when.
Speaker C:When they're at the hotel for lunch and Charlie starts bringing up their dad and Anne is like, you know, you promised you weren't going to bring him up.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And there's.
Speaker C:There's this, like, weird idolization, but also, like, trying to like.
Speaker C:But not at the same time.
Speaker C:There is a quote from Tim.
Speaker C:This might be a good time to say it.
Speaker C:From one of his interviews from the week of the episode.
Speaker C:He said, and it's a little bit of a long one, but I thought it was very interesting.
Speaker C:Tim said, I think that most of Bobby's resentment was around his father and not so much her.
Speaker C:His mother, seeing that she went off and was like this caterpillar that bloomed into whatever kind of butterfly you would say she's turned into.
Speaker C:That's what he's resented.
Speaker C:That's what he's resented because Bobby got stuck for a long time trying to save his father by becoming his father and going through some of the same downward spirals that his dad went through.
Speaker C:The fact that his mom left that relationship not only unscathed, but to flourish, I think that is what pissed him off the most.
Speaker C:And he's coming to grips with that.
Speaker C:He's continuing to heal from those past wounds and started to see himself as someone who belongs in the world.
Speaker C:So I thought that was, like, just a really interesting and very, like, nuanced, like, characterization and way that even they were.
Speaker C:That was written, directed, and acted.
Speaker C:Like, it really kind of towed that line very well, where you could tell, like, Bobby was aggravated at his mom because she left.
Speaker C:But the root of the problem is not really her.
Speaker C:It's his dad, which we saw so much of in season seven last season, Episode eight.
Speaker C:I think it's just, like, really.
Speaker C:It's really messy.
Speaker A:It's really messy.
Speaker A:And I just, like, I hated.
Speaker A:I hated the.
Speaker A:That she said to him in that hotel room.
Speaker A:Oh, like, all the barbs that she threw at him, like, it was all just uncalled for.
Speaker A:And, like, when he was talking to Athena and she was like, why didn't you tell me that, like, your mother wasn't dead?
Speaker A:And he's like, well, it's embarrassing because she's a fraud.
Speaker A:But then he, like, you find out that, like, when Marcy and the kids died, she, like, wrote a letter on her, like, official stationary and, like, didn't even bother to call or, like, come to the funeral.
Speaker A:Like, it's just like, he's been through so much, and I don't know.
Speaker C:She just.
Speaker A:The way that she treated him was like she held him responsible for them not having a relationship.
Speaker A:And it's like communication works both ways.
Speaker A:And it's like, even if you felt like you had to leave and you felt like you couldn't take your kid with you, which is.
Speaker A:I mean, I'll argue about that till I'm dead because I think that's.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But the fact that she's like.
Speaker A:She's like, not only did she not try and reach out, but that she's throwing barbs at him, making.
Speaker A:Making these comments about, like, oh, I trust you didn't start the fire.
Speaker A:Your house that just burnt down.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker B:That was messed up.
Speaker C:Very.
Speaker A:Talking about, like crawling in, like crawling in the grave with his father.
Speaker A:Like, I just.
Speaker A:I hated all of it.
Speaker A:I hated all of it.
Speaker A:And if she didn't have terminal cancer, I would be.
Speaker A:I still don't like it.
Speaker A:I still hate it.
Speaker A:But if she didn't have terminal cancer, the fact that they reconciled would be making me, like, physically sick.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It really is just a weird situation because, you know, they reference.
Speaker C:What was it like, Luke 15, which was the parable of the prodigal son.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Like the, like, Bobby is the prodigal son returneth.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And it seems very much that Anne looks at Bobby as like someone who kind of like fell on his own sword to keep his dad on that pedestal.
Speaker C:But like, Charlie's still kind of doing the same thing too.
Speaker C:And because they.
Speaker C:He says, he says at the end to Bobby that, you know, dad set you free a lot earlier.
Speaker A:He said some fucked up shit too.
Speaker C:And it was weird.
Speaker C:It was weird because obviously his stuff.
Speaker A:Wasn'T meant to be, like, fucked up, though.
Speaker A:I was just like, oh, you need so much therapy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because Charlie was talking about, you know, like, this is what I get to be devoted to my mother and whatever and her, like, manager or whatever role he was playing.
Speaker C:And it's almost like he's envious of.
Speaker A:Bobby, which is crazy.
Speaker C:And that really shows how disconnected.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:They truly are.
Speaker C:Because, like, to.
Speaker C:To say to Bobby, to Bobby, dad set you free a lot earlier when Bobby.
Speaker A:When his dad still haunts him to.
Speaker C:This shot, like living in his dad's shadow and also like haunt, like haunted to like, what Tim said, repeat the same spirals and mistakes that his dad did.
Speaker C:That is not being set free.
Speaker C:That is totally the opposite of that.
Speaker C:So it's just like this.
Speaker C:I think Charlie is just like, doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker A:He's too lost in the sauce.
Speaker A:He's too lost in the religious sauce, to be honest with you.
Speaker A:Both of them are.
Speaker A:And that's a whole other thing we won't even get into because, like, the thing that I like about the way that like, our main characters who do have faith are shown implementing their faith is all very personal and it's all very like, not insane and not making everything about their faith, which I feel like is the healthy way to do it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Moderation.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was kind of annoyed with Athena in this episode.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker B:It was a weird, it was a weird 180 that she did because, like, when you think about her relationship with her mom and how like, you know, she, she left and she, she found her own self actualization and, you know, she had those issues and she brought them up and, you know, it was, it was weird that she wasn't kind of, you know, I, I guess, like, it's not, it's not that she's not supportive, it's just that it was just weird that she had that.
Speaker B:Like, she was like, you should really talk to your mom.
Speaker B:You know, I, I think this is.
Speaker C:Where we see some of Athena's faith come out a little bit, which we know was such a cornerstone of her and Bobby's relationship to even begin with.
Speaker C:Because, you know, she, she mentions kind of like Charlie says that maybe, you know, doesn't it seem like kind of divined that you, of all the one fire stations in la, end up at that call?
Speaker C:And I don't think I even was.
Speaker A:Annoyed with her then.
Speaker A:I, I think I was annoyed that like, after she went to the hotel and saw how his mom was talking to him, she was like, let's start over.
Speaker A:Or like, was still encouraging it.
Speaker A:I would have been like, and she's dead to us.
Speaker A:And been like, and she's actually dead to us.
Speaker A:I mean, I get that it's probably like she, she knows like what Bob needs and that's what it's supposed to be.
Speaker C:But like, yeah, that's kind of how I interpreted it.
Speaker A:I just, I just need, I just need someone on this television show to tell someone that it's okay to cut parents out of your life.
Speaker B:Eddie.
Speaker B:Like, maybe he'll be the first.
Speaker C:Eddie.
Speaker B:It's not, this is for him.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:I think that's the one generational trauma he is, he's not.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:No, he's, he's, he's just gonna tell them off, but it's just.
Speaker B:It's not gonna.
Speaker A:I mean, maybe they'll do it for him when they find out he's gay, but.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:I wasn't gonna say, like, here's hoping, because, like, that would be awful.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Not to make it about Eddie.
Speaker A:So sorry, Bobby, but you could.
Speaker C:We totally could.
Speaker C:There.
Speaker C:There are things.
Speaker A:There's so many parallels between them.
Speaker C:One thing that I did want to say was, I think, with.
Speaker C:With Bobby's reconciliation with his mom.
Speaker C:Speaking of, you know, forgiving parents and.
Speaker C:And redeeming them.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Not that.
Speaker C:Not that she's super redeemable or that there is, like, a completed redemption arc here, but the.
Speaker C:The call that we see the guy burying his wife in the garden sort of situation, which was so bizarre on.
Speaker C:Upon first watch.
Speaker C:And I was like, what is this?
Speaker C:But, like, on rewatch, I thought it was supposed.
Speaker C:I mean, and it can, in interpretation, like, apply to both Buck and Eddie and Bobby.
Speaker C:But, like, I think I realized, you know, that it's about.
Speaker B:About, like, his mom.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:With.
Speaker C:With the wife saying, you know, I should have left him long ago.
Speaker C:He's been trying to bury me for 45 years.
Speaker C:Imagine the life I could have had if I'd gotten out sooner.
Speaker C:And I think that's his kind of, like, realization moment that makes him go like, oh, this is what it was for my mom.
Speaker C:And she had to leave because of herself, because otherwise, not to borrow a phrase from Helena Diaz, but Bobby's dad would have dragged the mom down with him.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So I think that was, like, Bobby's realization of, like, Gail canceled.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker A:This podcast will be sill in hand from now on.
Speaker C:Again, I've been voted off my own podcast.
Speaker C:The tribe has spoken.
Speaker C:I think he's understanding from a new perspective of that.
Speaker C:He says to the.
Speaker C:The wife as well.
Speaker C:He says, you're out now.
Speaker C:And that's him.
Speaker C:Like, I'm seeing this from her perspective.
Speaker C:She had to get out because she couldn't stay there longer, which isn't a, like, bash on her character.
Speaker C:It's just in his mind.
Speaker C:It's just something that she had to do.
Speaker A:It's just the disconnect of, like, why didn't she take her kid with him if, like, her dad was that toxic and terrible?
Speaker C:That's where the failure is.
Speaker C:That's where the failure is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's also just like Bobby falling on his own sword again.
Speaker C:Or the cross.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Or him being like, I've been.
Speaker A:I've been guilty of breaking one and a half commandments.
Speaker A:I literally was.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Honor they father and mother.
Speaker A:Okay, listen, not to break out.
Speaker A:I'm, like, the least religious person alive, but, like, I was raised in this.
Speaker A:So when it comes to interpreting things from the Bible, you're not supposed to.
Speaker B:Do it literally, verbatim.
Speaker A:And it doesn't mean that everyone deserves to be honored just because they gave birth to you.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker A:It means that in general, you should be respecting the people who gave you life and care for you, but only.
Speaker C:So much as they give you respect.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:You know what they say?
Speaker B:Respect should be.
Speaker B:You know, shouldn't be given.
Speaker B:It should be earned.
Speaker A:Earned.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, not redeemed.
Speaker C:But it's nice that they have an understanding of each other.
Speaker C:It doesn't fix anything, but it's like they're able to move on in peace.
Speaker C:I guess.
Speaker C:If it helps.
Speaker A:If it helps Bobby live his life a little easier, then I'm happy for.
Speaker B:Him the rest of his life.
Speaker A:Shut up.
Speaker C:Okay, now you go to jail.
Speaker A:But also, where's the thing I get to hate her forever and think that she's a terrible person anyway?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If there's something that can lighten the load of guilt and burden off of Bobby's shoulders.
Speaker C:Atlas holding up the.
Speaker C:The sky to do it.
Speaker A:See, also, just to end on a lighter note, he was objectively hilarious in this episode because I love when he gets to break out his.
Speaker A:Just, like, sardonic.
Speaker A:And he really was just.
Speaker B:Even like, when she.
Speaker B:When she was in the hospital.
Speaker A:It'S like she's still alive because the knot is still there.
Speaker B:She's still alive.
Speaker C:That was like the cap.
Speaker A:She thinks I'm Satan.
Speaker A:Tell her you're not.
Speaker C:And just like.
Speaker C:Just like the.
Speaker C:The lore job of that's my mother walks away.
Speaker A:Walks away.
Speaker C:Classic classicness.
Speaker A:He's so dramatic.
Speaker C:He is.
Speaker A:That's why he gets an honorary gay card, I think, because he's so dramatic.
Speaker B:I mean, the hair for the ice skating.
Speaker A:Oh, that's diva.
Speaker C:Where does ice dating fit in with all of this?
Speaker A:I'm still confused.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker C:We're not gonna argue about timeline.
Speaker B:That we can discuss at another time.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker C:Here's.
Speaker C:Here's a mini soda idea for us.
Speaker C:Bobby's ice skating past.
Speaker C:How it's a deep dive.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Drumroll.
Speaker A:What you've all come here for.
Speaker A:We're here to talk about, once again, Buck Buckley having no brain cells.
Speaker A:This is not one.
Speaker B:And that Eddie took the half to El Paso.
Speaker C:Oh, I thought he Just packed it away in a box and still has not gotten it out.
Speaker B:I was being generous.
Speaker A:Except when we see Eddie, he definitely is not in possession of the brain cell.
Speaker A:Buck has it again.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Oh, baby boy Buckley.
Speaker C:He is going through it.
Speaker A:He's going through it.
Speaker C:When is he not?
Speaker A:He can't even sleep at Eddie's house.
Speaker A:What a way to start off the episode.
Speaker C:Incredible.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker A:He didn't.
Speaker A:You can tell that he just didn't think through that at all.
Speaker B:No, no, because he's like, eddie needs help.
Speaker B:I'll do anything.
Speaker A:I am fixer.
Speaker B:I am fixer.
Speaker B:It doesn't matter.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:There's no consequences.
Speaker B:As long as Eddie's happy and he's helped, there's no consequences.
Speaker C:He does not think ahead enough to the consequences.
Speaker C:I mean this so affectionately, too.
Speaker C:He just acts and he's like, I'll figure it out later.
Speaker C:And for him, most of the time, it works out and.
Speaker C:But he doesn't.
Speaker C:Usually.
Speaker C:That doesn't factor into his decision making, which is fine.
Speaker C:And it works for some people, and usually it works for him.
Speaker C:But this is.
Speaker C:This was a big one.
Speaker C:This was a big change.
Speaker C:Like, a twofold change, because one, Eddie is gone.
Speaker C:Eddie not there.
Speaker C:And two, you just broke your lease, bro.
Speaker C:Yeah, but then he says it was up, like, three days ago.
Speaker C:And I'm like, which one was it?
Speaker B:Well, he didn't renew it.
Speaker B:Wait, he put in his notice, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's a lot.
Speaker C:It's a lot of change in a very quick time period.
Speaker C:And as someone who also doesn't do well with change, I.
Speaker C:Adaptable, but doesn't.
Speaker A:Like it with change at all.
Speaker B:I feel like.
Speaker B:I feel like in the last, like, special.
Speaker B:I don't think we.
Speaker B:We really talked about this, but.
Speaker B:Or maybe we did.
Speaker B:I don't remember, but I.
Speaker C:It's been three years since.
Speaker B:In these last few weeks, we've aged 84 years.
Speaker A:Been through the horrors.
Speaker B:No, but I mean, it's just.
Speaker B:I just think about, like, you know, when they were showing the house to all those potential subletters and, like, you know, Buck has every single.
Speaker B:Every little, like, it, like, little anecdote about the house.
Speaker B:It's like, you know, he just, deep down, subconsciously, he just didn't wanna.
Speaker B:Like, no one else should be in that house except for him and his family.
Speaker A:And he loves the house.
Speaker B:Except he.
Speaker B:He loves the house when Eddie and Christopher are in it.
Speaker C:And that's the thing.
Speaker C:It's like that.
Speaker C:That really instills that idea of home is not a place, it's a people.
Speaker C:Because you can have the same exact surroundings and environment and know all of this backstory of this house, but without the people that made those stories come to life, it's just a house.
Speaker A:So even though he was alone in his loft and he's still alone now, it's completely different because the context of which that home has always been before was a home full of people who he loved.
Speaker A:And that's why it felt like a home.
Speaker A:And now all it is is a reminder that his best friend is gone.
Speaker B:Stop telling people I'm dead.
Speaker A:And no, really.
Speaker B:No, really, because that whole line sounded like he was dead.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he can't.
Speaker A:He can't fucking sleep there because even though he's used to being alone, he's not used to feeling alone there.
Speaker A:So he shows up at his sister's door, and we see parallel shot to 806 confessions.
Speaker A:When Buck shows up at Eddie's door, it's the same, like, does everyone in LA have the same peephole that looks like a fucking confession?
Speaker C:It's a different peephole, but it's still a people.
Speaker C:But the shot is the same.
Speaker A:And that's not just for insane people.
Speaker A:My partner, completely normal person who doesn't even watch the show, saw the scene and was like, I thought this was a confessional for a second.
Speaker C:So it's establishing a pattern.
Speaker C:And I do love that kind of, like, fluidity of visual language throughout different episodes and different directors.
Speaker C:That really does show, like, people are paying attention.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, like, you got to think about it also, like, the reasoning behind why Buck shows up, like, in these two very specific shots, because of the parallel between these two shots and the reasoning why he's going, like, he's.
Speaker B:You know, Buck is going for some form of comfort.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But it's interesting comparatively, because when he shows up at Eddie's, like, there's no words.
Speaker A:And I think it's equal parts because no words are, like, really needed, but also because, like, he doesn't want to talk because him and Eddie aren't really doing that right now about, like, real things.
Speaker A:And then when he shows up, he doesn't have to say much because Maddie, like, he knows Maddie will get.
Speaker A:Get it without saying a lot.
Speaker A:But he does show up bearing gifts both times.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Also, it's, like, kind of like post breakup, too, so it is so, you know, Tommy broke up with him in 806, and then.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's after he gets left and.
Speaker B:Then he gets left.
Speaker C:And it is really lovely, though, that, like, okay, obviously Eddie is his first choice, you know, when he gets left like that.
Speaker C:But that, you know, when Eddie is not available, as we see.
Speaker C:Well, yes, he goes number two person, even.
Speaker C:Even though she was originally one of those people that left him.
Speaker C:But, like, they've since.
Speaker C:Here's another, like, reconnection.
Speaker C:But, like, we've seen that happen throughout the seasons that they're able to lean on each other in that way, because they both do in this scene when.
Speaker C:When he's on.
Speaker C:When he's on the couch.
Speaker C:And, you know, there's.
Speaker C:There is a mention of what Maddie just went through in the previous episode with Braeburn and everything.
Speaker C:So, like, Buck is there for Maddie as much as Maddie is there for Buck.
Speaker C:It just so happens that Buck is taking, like, the.
Speaker C:The spotlight in this one.
Speaker A:So we see him talk about how, like, he can't really sleep there because he can't help be reminded every.
Speaker A:Everywhere I go, I see his face.
Speaker A:Can't be reminded everywhere he looks that his best friend's gone.
Speaker A:And it sucks.
Speaker A:Very apt.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:The looks that she gives him this entire episode is just like, she's so us coded.
Speaker A:She just knows.
Speaker A:She knows.
Speaker C:And the thing is, it's the same faces that she's been giving him for seven years since.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Since literally 201.
Speaker C:Like, she.
Speaker B:Oh, honey.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:She knows.
Speaker A:Sweet honey child.
Speaker C:Maddie has the patience of a saint for letting him just, like, try to figure this out on his own for so long because she.
Speaker C:She's known since season two.
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker A:So love her.
Speaker A:She's like, I need to ask you to do something uncomfortable.
Speaker A:And he's like, go home.
Speaker A:She's like, no.
Speaker C:He's like, don't send me home.
Speaker C:I don't want to go.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't understand.
Speaker A:I don't think Bucks ever made a real friend outside of Forest.
Speaker B:No, no, outside of it.
Speaker A:Just, like, organically happening out of, like, people.
Speaker A:Because I think he's a younger brother.
Speaker A:Maybe it's harder for them to make friends.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Their lives.
Speaker A:It might just be a Buck thing.
Speaker C:He attaches to people, and it's like.
Speaker A:That just seems like a younger brother thing, though.
Speaker C:He's not normal.
Speaker A:Well, no, he's not normal.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker C:But he has.
Speaker C:He has no game, romantically or platonically.
Speaker C:Absolutely zero game.
Speaker C:He does not know how to make friends.
Speaker C:And this is.
Speaker C:I think this is also kind of the Thing like, he lets.
Speaker C:He lets people choose him because he likes to feel wanted.
Speaker C:So he doesn't actually, like, actively go out and seek new people.
Speaker C:He is chosen by.
Speaker C:By someone.
Speaker C:He's like, okay, I guess I'm yours now.
Speaker C:Adopt me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is why the whole thing with Robbie just starts out weird.
Speaker A:It starts weird.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:Leave our people's princess alone.
Speaker C:I wrote this down.
Speaker C:Poor, poor Ravi.
Speaker C:He has been through so much.
Speaker A:I called him Buck's first victim.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, and.
Speaker C:And even.
Speaker C:Even before this, technically, we see that Ravi is very obviously the stand in the replacement for Eddie Baby.
Speaker C:Because at that original where we meet Bobby's mom, Bobby, it's three times Bobby said Eddie's name instead of Ravi.
Speaker C:And it's just like, I.
Speaker C:First of all, I just need to talk about that for a second.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:I love that so much because it really shows that it's not only Buck who is so affected by Eddie being gone.
Speaker C:It's everybody.
Speaker C:But some people are a little bitter about, about, like, you know, putting a lid on it.
Speaker C:And Buck is the one to correct Bobby that.
Speaker C:No, it's.
Speaker C:It's Ravi, not Eddie.
Speaker C:And which has got to be like, one of the hardest things for him to do because it's like that overcompensation thing, right?
Speaker C:Where it's like.
Speaker B:I had this, like, thought I was.
Speaker B:When I was watching the episode earlier, I was like, what if?
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:I mean, it could absolutely.
Speaker B:It absolutely is that they wanted to hit a certain number of Eddies in this episode.
Speaker B:But I was like, what if.
Speaker B:What if it was just like a little gag because Peter Cross had just was like, you know, automatically went, book Eddie.
Speaker B:And then, you know, they corrected him on camera.
Speaker B:We need a gag reel.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:They would do gag reels.
Speaker C:10 minute long gag reels.
Speaker C:I miss those.
Speaker C:Bring them back, please.
Speaker A:You were wondering, they say Eddie 20 times.
Speaker C:Oh, more than the 15 that was like, previously.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Maybe Bucks has a 15, Jack.
Speaker A:So Jack has that whole graph of like, oh, God.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:How many times he said.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:And so Buck bothered, bewildered.
Speaker A:It was 15, I think.
Speaker A:And this one beat it.
Speaker A:And he wasn't even in the episode.
Speaker C:Was it specifically saying Eddie 20 times or was it just like Eddie being stated 20 times?
Speaker A:I don't think it's all Buck.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:No, it's fine with me.
Speaker B:Either way, the majority came from Buck.
Speaker A:The majority did come from Buck.
Speaker A:Eddie's old one.
Speaker A:Warm up to Eddie, too.
Speaker A:Always Eddie's game.
Speaker A:Eddie pays the tab, Eddie goes.
Speaker A:Where is your spare Eddie would never do something illegal.
Speaker A:Eddie has a silver star.
Speaker A:Eddie.
Speaker A:Eddie brought it from El Paso.
Speaker A:Adjusting a life without Eddie.
Speaker A:Oh, he does say.
Speaker A:Is this Eddie's place?
Speaker A:Oh, Tommy does say Eddie.
Speaker C:Tommy also says say Diaz.
Speaker A:Wait, Eddie living at Eddie's old house.
Speaker A:Therefore I must be in love with him.
Speaker A:In love with Eddie.
Speaker B:Insane.
Speaker A:But me and Eddie have.
Speaker A:Eddie and Chris aren't coming back.
Speaker A:No, not.
Speaker A:Not Eddie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Maddie doesn't say it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Anyway, Eddie Diaz it girl.
Speaker A:He really is.
Speaker B:She is that girl.
Speaker A:He is that.
Speaker C:And Ravi.
Speaker C:Poor, sweet people's princess Ravi, who wants nothing to do with any of this.
Speaker B:That man is tired.
Speaker B:God damn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Imagine having to go to work.
Speaker B:Your own captain is like, fucking up your name.
Speaker B:Then this one guy that would bully.
Speaker C:You, haze you, chased you with a touch of packet.
Speaker B:And like, in your shoes, he's like.
Speaker B:He wants.
Speaker C:He wants us to kick it.
Speaker B:Like, what?
Speaker C:Yeah, and like, I.
Speaker C:I feel so bad for him because, like, at.
Speaker C:At the church and you know when Bobby's mistaking him for Eddie and probably just like, I'm used to it, which is like such a.
Speaker C:I was like.
Speaker B:That'S been happening more.
Speaker C:Feeling invisible.
Speaker A:He's just Eeyore in this episode.
Speaker C:He is a little bit.
Speaker C:But it's like that.
Speaker C:That feeling of invisibility that we're also going.
Speaker C:Come, come into play.
Speaker C:But it's just.
Speaker A:Anyway, I don't blame him.
Speaker A:No, I don't blame him for grabbing Tommy.
Speaker A:But also, I think he recognized he doesn't need a friend.
Speaker A:He needs a rebound because this is a breakup.
Speaker A:And I think that's why he grabs Tom, because he's like, I'm not gonna fuck this man.
Speaker C:Ravi was looking for any out that he could.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker C:Ravi was desperate because Ravi was one absolutely bored to tears because they were at the bar for however long, being coerced into the bar.
Speaker C:Can I back out for a second, though, before we get to the bar?
Speaker C:Buck is trying to make friends with Ravi and he's asking what Ravi likes, but he's asking him all the things that Eddie likes, not even that Buck likes, because he.
Speaker C:He says, do you like.
Speaker C:Do you like pickup basketball?
Speaker C:Buck hates pickup basketball.
Speaker C:So he's asking all of these things to find that, like, Eddie replacement, which is also, coincidentally, the things that, like, Tommy has in common with Eddie.
Speaker C:Just saying.
Speaker A:She didn't say find an Eddie replacement.
Speaker A:She said, make new friends.
Speaker C:He doesn't know how to do that.
Speaker A:New friends.
Speaker C:He only wants slash needs the one friend.
Speaker B:When you think about it, the The Buck and the Buck and Taylor of it all.
Speaker B:Like, he was friends with her first.
Speaker B:Like, they started off as friends, but at the end that they got together.
Speaker B:So, I mean, he can't.
Speaker B:He can't make friends.
Speaker B:He can't make friends.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:How so?
Speaker C:Like, at the bar, Ravi is bored to tears because Buck will literally not shut up about Eddie.
Speaker C:And it also, I think, kind of like goes to show, like, Buck is a yapper.
Speaker C:And the like, the only person who really, really listens to Buck's incessant yapping.
Speaker C:I say that with affection is Eddie, because Robbie's just over it.
Speaker C:So he's just like, I need.
Speaker C:I need it out.
Speaker C:He's desperate.
Speaker B:Robbie's probably cursing his name.
Speaker B:Eddie is probably waking up in cold sweat.
Speaker B:An El Paso.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Many times that night, actually.
Speaker B:His ears are burning.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, Robbie, I.
Speaker A:I understand why you did it, and I support your rights and your wrongs.
Speaker A:I think he was still in the right here, actually.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He literally said, oh, look.
Speaker C:Look who I found.
Speaker C:K.
Speaker C:Bye.
Speaker A:He literally was just like, here's your beers.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker A:Have fun.
Speaker A:Use protection.
Speaker C:He actually did.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And then Buck is like, well, it feels like I just got dumped again because he kind of did, but it was because of Eddie.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Well, he got dumped because of Eddie twice.
Speaker C:And I would technically.
Speaker A:Three times.
Speaker C:I would also like to point out very, very briefly that in.
Speaker C:In the wide shot, when they're in the bar and Ravi is going, and he ends up finding Tommy, and then we see Tommy sitting down.
Speaker C:There is a television playing in the back of the bar.
Speaker C:Guess what it's playing?
Speaker C:It's playing wrestling or fighting or whatever.
Speaker C:There's a ring.
Speaker C:It's not a fence, but there is a ring.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And, oh, just so interesting because that is like a visual connection to what Tommy and Eddie liked to do together.
Speaker C:And by that I mean, like, go to see the fights, but, you know, so basically their dates.
Speaker C:But it's also kind of foreshadowy with, like, a competition sort of thing, but, you know, tends to be very homoerotic.
Speaker C:And what are.
Speaker C:What are Tommy going to do?
Speaker C:Interesting stuff about competition stuff about, like, watching naked men pummel each other.
Speaker C:That's all.
Speaker A:So this brings us to our plot device addendum.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's back.
Speaker A:He's here.
Speaker A:He's doing the most he's ever done.
Speaker A:So that's great for us.
Speaker B:And this is an addendum to plot the fight.
Speaker A:So here we go.
Speaker A:He shows up.
Speaker A:Do you know what we Learn about him.
Speaker A:Exactly zero things that we didn't know before he shows up.
Speaker A:And he's like, how's it going?
Speaker A:Buck says, wildly out of pocket shit with no context, as him and his husband tend to do.
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker A:And then is like, what about you?
Speaker A:And he just goes, same.
Speaker C:Literally no information.
Speaker C:Tommy shows literally no interest in inquiring how Buck is doing with all of this.
Speaker C:Like, that is some crazy stuff for.
Speaker A:Someone to never given a.
Speaker C:He never has.
Speaker C:It's just like, no, how are you doing?
Speaker C:How are you dealing with this?
Speaker C:How is Maddie dealing with this?
Speaker C:Nothing.
Speaker C:Just like, oh, wow.
Speaker A:No, he's had.
Speaker A:He has no interest in this conversation until Buck says.
Speaker A:Until he's like, how's everyone at the 118?
Speaker A:And he goes, oh, everyone's great.
Speaker A:I'm just adjusting to life without Eddie.
Speaker A:He has left.
Speaker A:And then it's Diaz left, which also.
Speaker C:No one calls Eddie Diaz unless they want.
Speaker C:If they want him to respond his own words.
Speaker A:It's like, yeah, you went to be with his kid.
Speaker A:I thought you would have known that because, like, they were friends.
Speaker A:Right, right, right.
Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker C:No one would think.
Speaker A:No, it turns out Eddie could not wait to drop this man's ass.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:He's so petty.
Speaker A:You love that.
Speaker A:You love that about him.
Speaker A:And Buck does, too, because he does this cute little smile when he says it.
Speaker C:That's Eddie having his back.
Speaker A:And also other things he's not willing to look at.
Speaker C:But then.
Speaker A:Then Tommy is like, oh, he left.
Speaker A:Oh, I've been thinking about, like, I've been thinking about calling you for, like, months.
Speaker A:And I, like, drove past your place the other day.
Speaker C:The switch was crazy.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:The switch up is.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't think I clocked that switch off.
Speaker A:And he was like, that mildly just, like, disinterested that he's been just, like, from the get go with book.
Speaker A:As soon as it's like, oh, Diaz is gone.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:No, that's really funny because, like, I don't think I talked that, you know, in our initial watch, I clocked the, you know, the aftermath of all of that.
Speaker B:But, like, I didn't realize that it was really tied, you know, to Eddie.
Speaker B:And so, like, why he.
Speaker B:He was like, okay, I'm gonna pursue immediately.
Speaker A:Like, it was immediate.
Speaker B:I did not.
Speaker C:But the thing is, it goes kind of both ways here because once Tommy says, oh, I've been thinking about calling you, then Buck is like, oh, you have turns on the flirt.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:And it's not until that happens.
Speaker C:And again, like, like what I said earlier, once Buck gets, like, confirmation that someone wants to be around him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Then he's like, oh, I'm wanted.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And then he starts flirting.
Speaker C:It wasn't a flirty interaction at all.
Speaker C:Until Tommy changed.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:Which domino effect.
Speaker A:And then it's actually wild for him to be like, no, I got a new place.
Speaker A:And the new place is Eddie's place.
Speaker A:But he doesn't, again, give context for this.
Speaker C:He doesn't say it before they show up there.
Speaker C:And that's also wild.
Speaker B:What were they.
Speaker B:Did they take an Uber?
Speaker B:They took an Uber.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:They were toasted.
Speaker C:And how do you think he didn't.
Speaker A:Know that it was Eddie's place until they were inside?
Speaker A:They were preoccupied doing other things.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:Which would be kind of parallel to what we see happen in the backseat.
Speaker A:Oh, the next episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker C:Fascinating.
Speaker A:So funny.
Speaker B:God.
Speaker A:He's like, keep it pg.
Speaker C:I think this is why they had Tommy at Chris's virtual birthday party in 801, so that he would remember and recognize.
Speaker C:Oh, is this Eddie's house?
Speaker C:Because we were all like, what is he doing here?
Speaker A:Yeah, but I also think it's implied that he was there before in season seven.
Speaker C:Yeah, I guess, but I like this better.
Speaker A:So anyway, yeah.
Speaker A:They show up at Eddie's place.
Speaker A:They're making out against the wall, and then Tommy takes a step back and is like, is this Eddie's place?
Speaker A:Wait, is this Eddie's place?
Speaker A:And Buck is still flirting like it was.
Speaker A:I'm subletting.
Speaker A:And I'm like, why are you being.
Speaker A:Why do you keep using subletting Eddie's place as a weird flirting?
Speaker A:What are you doing?
Speaker C:Because it's the most romantic gesture he's ever done.
Speaker A:Okay, sure.
Speaker A:For Eddie.
Speaker B:Oh, he won't.
Speaker B:Maybe he wants to talk about that.
Speaker A:He clearly does not want to talk about it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, they do.
Speaker A:They do the thing.
Speaker A:He pulls them into the bedroom.
Speaker A:The bedroom.
Speaker A:I just know that, like, several.
Speaker A:Several nightmares were had that night by Eddie.
Speaker A:It was like he felt a disturbance in the forest, felt a vampire enter his home uninvited.
Speaker A:It's like someone's crossed the threshold.
Speaker A:And then it was.
Speaker A:Something's happening in my bedroom.
Speaker C:Senses were tingling, though.
Speaker C:The way this was shot, this scene with, like, the.
Speaker C:The silhouetted lighting.
Speaker C:I thought it was a really cool way to.
Speaker C:To film it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker A:Because it also allowed Oliver Stark to not kiss this man, which I'm sure he appreciated very much.
Speaker C:And that's what we call creative problem solving.
Speaker B:Thank You.
Speaker B:Aisha Hines.
Speaker C:And Andrew Mitchell.
Speaker B:And Andrew Mitchell.
Speaker B:Bless you both.
Speaker A:It totally made sense.
Speaker A:Because not only is it nighttime, not only are they, like, not there to be turning lights on, but, like, he hasn't moved into the place, so it's not like he exactly has mood lighting.
Speaker A:It's only the overhead.
Speaker A:Shit.
Speaker A:They're not turning that on.
Speaker C:There actually are no lights.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, Buddy's first time will be in the day.
Speaker A:You mean in daylight?
Speaker B:Daylight.
Speaker B:Daylight.
Speaker C:Golden.
Speaker A:So then we see the morning after, which might just be my favorite scene in all of 91 1.
Speaker C:It's unreal.
Speaker B:Okay, if you had to this arrival.
Speaker B:704.
Speaker B:Or do you just.
Speaker A:My, it's my favorite scene.
Speaker A:I didn't say episode.
Speaker A:It's my favorite scene.
Speaker B:But if you had to pick between a scene and 704.
Speaker C:Which scene in 704.
Speaker B:No, just like, versus the whole episode of 704.
Speaker A:No, I would still pick 704.
Speaker A:The whole episode.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:That episode is just perfection.
Speaker A:Start to finish this scene.
Speaker C:Something else, man.
Speaker A:We have to put a warning on this episode for drug mentions.
Speaker A:Because I keep saying it, but there is gay crack cocaine in this scene.
Speaker A:It is absolute.
Speaker A:So we see Buck wake up.
Speaker A:This man decided that even though they were together for six months, they're not together right now.
Speaker A:This is the first time.
Speaker A:And knowing Buck, that he's gonna do something for him.
Speaker A:That's nice.
Speaker A:Just making breakfast.
Speaker B:I just have to say.
Speaker A:Say it.
Speaker B:That making breakfast for Buck in the morning, after.
Speaker B:I mean, listen, that is just the bare minimum.
Speaker B:He is still doing the bare minimum.
Speaker A:Oh, sure.
Speaker C:He didn't even make breakfast.
Speaker C:He got it from the.
Speaker C:That place down the street too.
Speaker B:Well, there were pans with eggs.
Speaker A:He was making stuff, too.
Speaker B:Giving him the benefit of doubt.
Speaker C:No, I'm saying it was even less effort.
Speaker A:Or maybe he misses Dao fired it.
Speaker A:Like dirty dishes to make it look like he cooked.
Speaker A:Who knows?
Speaker A:Anyway, there's.
Speaker A:There's this gigantic spread of food and he's putting champagne in the freezer.
Speaker A:Because this man is delusional.
Speaker A:Tldr of the scene is basically that Buck is like, you know, this was like the.
Speaker A:This is the best night's sleep I've had.
Speaker A:Like, this is the best night I've had in this place.
Speaker A:It's also the first night I've had this place.
Speaker C:I love how honesty is about that.
Speaker A:Though, because there was a full 2 1/2 seconds where I was like, what the fuck did you just say?
Speaker A:In front of our salad?
Speaker A:Yeah, but no, it's just like.
Speaker A:Because he hasn't been able to sleep there at all.
Speaker A:And then he's like, don't worry.
Speaker A:I just wanted to say that, like.
Speaker A:Like, last night was great, but don't worry.
Speaker A:I know it doesn't change anything.
Speaker A:I ascended into a different plane of existence and have not come back down.
Speaker A:What do you.
Speaker C:Where.
Speaker C:What do you mean?
Speaker A:What do you mean, Buck?
Speaker A:Where have you heard those words before?
Speaker A:Where have you heard those words before?
Speaker C:Oh, this doesn't change anything.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:And it's almost like he said the words that you were hoping that Eddie would have said instead or that you would have said to Eddie when he said this to you.
Speaker A:Because he says, why not?
Speaker A:Why doesn't it change anything?
Speaker A:And Buck's like, what do you mean?
Speaker A:Because this guy dumped his ass weeks ago.
Speaker A:Weeks ago.
Speaker A:I was like, you'll break my heart.
Speaker A:Like, I'm your.
Speaker A:I'm your first, not your last.
Speaker A:And asks him out on Saturday.
Speaker A:And Buck's trying to, like, get clarification, but in a flirty way.
Speaker A:He's like, you want to try again?
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:What Tommy says makes me so angry.
Speaker C:And, you know, I don't get angry.
Speaker C:You don't want to see me angry.
Speaker C:What Tommy says about, like, well, I'm not ready to move in.
Speaker C:And it seems like you aren't either.
Speaker C:I mean, which is factually correct.
Speaker C:But, like, it's.
Speaker C:It's almost like a.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker C:It makes me so angry because I.
Speaker C:It's almost like the pressure is off.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Because it's like the pressure is off.
Speaker A:It's also bullshit, too, because it's like, why would I backslide into a relationship not only with someone who broke up with me, but, like, if I was ready to move to the next step and you broke up with me because you weren't, why would I want to get back together with you when you're still saying that you aren't ready to commit to me?
Speaker C:But on.
Speaker C:On top of that, too, it is Tommy, again, making assumptions and.
Speaker C:Or decisions for Buck.
Speaker C:Rather than asking what Buck wants, he's saying, like, I.
Speaker C:It doesn't seem like you're ready to move in to, like, anything serious either.
Speaker C:But that's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's not.
Speaker C:Well, he is very perceptive.
Speaker C:Again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Situation, as Buck points out.
Speaker C:He also calls him Evan again, which is another backslide for Tommy because it.
Speaker A:Just, like he called him one time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It undermined the power of his goodbye.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:And it's like the power of his goodbye.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It's just like, oh, I'M gonna call you Buck and, like, respect what you want, but then I'm gonna call you Evan again.
Speaker C:Like he has any.
Speaker A:And we know he doesn't give a shit about book.
Speaker A:That's not what we're here for.
Speaker B:He's only here for one thing only.
Speaker B:That's actually what I was trying to imply.
Speaker B:He's only here for one thing only.
Speaker B:And the other thing is that.
Speaker B:And I will continue to say this.
Speaker B:I said this on Twitter, and I'll say say it here because you should hear this too.
Speaker B:It is a tragedy.
Speaker A:Oh, it is.
Speaker B:It is a tragedy that that man got to see Buck.
Speaker A:All of that.
Speaker B:You got to see all of that.
Speaker B:That morning after Glow, like, I just.
Speaker A:Eddie Diaz, stand up.
Speaker B:Eddie Diaz, stand up.
Speaker B:Get your ass back here.
Speaker B:Get that dump truck back here.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:You can call to action.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Because be so for real right now, like, so bad, I think I'm gonna cry that he got that.
Speaker B:That Tommy got to see all of that.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:He did not deserve to see all of that.
Speaker B:There's only one person who deserves to see all of that.
Speaker A:That's so true.
Speaker A:Anyway, he's like, you want to try again?
Speaker A:Says the whole, I'm not ready to move in, but neither are you.
Speaker A:And Buck's like, you're not scared that I'm gonna break your heart anymore?
Speaker A:And then one of the most insane lines the show has ever fucking written.
Speaker A:Mm, not as much now that the competition's out of the.
Speaker A:The competition's out of the way.
Speaker C:Insert sound of our brains collectively exploding.
Speaker C:Like, wait, I'm sorry, what?
Speaker A:Wait, what do you mean, competition?
Speaker A:Buck is genuinely confused.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's still flirty, so I think he's just like, ooh, someone else is interested in me.
Speaker A:Like, tell me about it.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:Because he's like, oh, boy, I'm wanted more.
Speaker B:He's like, tell me I'm pretty.
Speaker A:Yeah, tell me I'm pretty.
Speaker A:Tell me you want me.
Speaker A:Tell me other people want me.
Speaker A:And as soon as he realizes that Buck really doesn't fucking know because of his response, he's like, no, I'm just.
Speaker A:I'm mostly kidding.
Speaker A:Trying to brush him off.
Speaker A:And Buck's like, no, like, mostly kidding about what?
Speaker A:And he realizes he has fucked up.
Speaker A:Up.
Speaker C:He's up.
Speaker A:And he's like, never mind.
Speaker A:And he's like, no, wait, I.
Speaker A:I want to know.
Speaker A:Like, he's getting less and less flirty with every response.
Speaker A:Buck is.
Speaker A:And he's like, come on.
Speaker A:Competition with who?
Speaker A:Cuz the British accent comes up a little bit, just a little bit.
Speaker C:With who?
Speaker A:With who?
Speaker A:And he's like, come on, Evan, don't make me say it.
Speaker A:And then, like, he does say it, because Buck didn't have to reach that far down to realize he was talking about Eddie.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah.
Speaker A:He scoffs and he's like, wait, Eddie.
Speaker A:He's like, you're living in the guy's house.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker A:Yeah, point.
Speaker A:Point to Tommy.
Speaker A:I'm so sorry, Bug.
Speaker C:That's factual.
Speaker C:It's crazy.
Speaker C:The second most insane line we've heard in the span of five minutes.
Speaker A:Okay, this is not his house.
Speaker A:He was a renter, and he's straight.
Speaker C:Like, hello.
Speaker C:What does that have to do with anything?
Speaker A:What does that have to do with him being competition?
Speaker A:Him being a renter doesn't change that.
Speaker A:That helps his house for the entire time that you knew him and that you're now living in it, that you're subletting it from.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:You told him you were subletting so he knows that, like, you're still, like, it's still attached to Eddie.
Speaker A:You didn't, like, outright buy it, like, even if that were the issue here.
Speaker A:And then you don't say, there's not a competition.
Speaker A:We're just friends.
Speaker A:You say, auntie's straight.
Speaker A:That's so interesting, because you know what I would say if someone was implying that I was in love with my best friend or just implying that, like, my best friend was competition, what would you say, romantically?
Speaker A:I would say, they're just my friend.
Speaker A:I can have those.
Speaker C:That's what you say if it's a normal friendship, not.
Speaker A:And he's straight.
Speaker C:It's a complete, like, deflection apropos of absolutely nothing.
Speaker C:And it does not technically have any bearing on the situation, on him being.
Speaker A:Competition or your own feelings.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It's just like, he's straight, so, like, there's nothing.
Speaker A:There's nothing to see here.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:No attention to the feelings behind the curtain and.
Speaker C:And then the scoff heard around the world.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker C:Bravo.
Speaker A:Low, slow clap.
Speaker C:Excellent acting, excellent direction.
Speaker B:That was the best delivery.
Speaker A:Excellent direction.
Speaker A:Great job.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I know, like, your mileage may vary, like, intrinsically.
Speaker C:Like, with the ga.
Speaker C:You can.
Speaker C:It can be interpreted multiple ways, just like, point blank.
Speaker C:But for Tommy.
Speaker C:Well, Tim has said, like, you can interpret it how you.
Speaker A:No, you can't.
Speaker B:What you think.
Speaker C:You think he can't really?
Speaker A:How can you interpret that reaction from a gay man who was closeted.
Speaker C:That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker C:You can't a closeted gay man who was engaged to a woman and has been narratively tied as an Eddie stand.
Speaker B:In, like, I'm struggling here.
Speaker C:Maybe he has a closeted slash repressed gaydar that some other characters should listen to, but it's also.
Speaker C:It's also like a scoff about Buck's obliviousness to, A, Eddie's sexuality and, B, Buck's own feelings.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:It's a layered scoff, but it's mostly.
Speaker A:About Eddie Bean shy, which is the second time that we've brought up him being straight this season, which is so interesting because we've never felt the need to ever address that in the previous.
Speaker C:Or any of the other characters who are straight.
Speaker C:Oh, why do we need to talk about it?
Speaker A:Never so interesting.
Speaker B:Do you know what the scoff.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Is giving.
Speaker A:Oh, I'm so sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the next thing that Buck says is really a result of not.
Speaker B:Not thinking what you're actually saying, but hearing your own.
Speaker B:Hearing your own words or thoughts.
Speaker B:Bug says, I don't have to sleep with everyone I have feelings for, and I don't have to have feelings for everyone I sleep with.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Hey, come.
Speaker C:It's like, get closer.
Speaker B:Said that.
Speaker B:Closer.
Speaker B:Who?
Speaker A:Who said that?
Speaker A:Who said that?
Speaker A:Who asked?
Speaker A:Who said anything about that?
Speaker A:Literally no one.
Speaker C:Who said anything about feelings?
Speaker A:There were no feelings mentioned, only competition.
Speaker A:And then you took that and you ran with it so far.
Speaker C:You ran with it so far, you didn't even hear the words coming out of your own mouth.
Speaker A:And he still doesn't.
Speaker C:No, I still don't think that he lit.
Speaker A:He doesn't know that he confessed to happy feelings.
Speaker C:No, it's all on a subconscious level.
Speaker A:He does the entire.
Speaker A:He is literally gonna be the.
Speaker A:Well, him and Eddie are gonna be the last people to know because, like, everyone else knows.
Speaker A:The whole general audience knows.
Speaker A:I mean, we've known, but, like, are you.
Speaker A:You're not okay?
Speaker A:I was gonna say, are you okay?
Speaker A:I know you're not okay, but, my.
Speaker B:Dude, no one has the cognitive dissonance.
Speaker C:That is what it is.
Speaker C:It's cognitive dissonance.
Speaker C:It's just, like, for that to be.
Speaker A:At the tip of his tongue so easily.
Speaker A:I'm just like, how long have you been saying that deep in your subconscious?
Speaker A:I don't have to wanna sleep with everyone I have feelings for.
Speaker A:He knows somewhere deep down that he has feelings.
Speaker A:He probably knew that before he knew he was bi.
Speaker C:But like, that wouldn't mean anything because he's just his best friend.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:There's normal best friend things, Right?
Speaker C:Normal best friend things.
Speaker B:So normal.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:All right, we'll get to the unpacking stuff later.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Tommy says.
Speaker C:Got it.
Speaker A:And then immediately he was only.
Speaker A:He was mean when he said this.
Speaker A:Like, he was mean.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker B:I was eating up, eating that.
Speaker A:Like, it was a five course meal.
Speaker A:It was so good.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:Was so good.
Speaker A:Because it was like he deserved that kind of vitriol because it was like, you're the one who keeps inserting your.
Speaker A:He, like, the plot device is the one who keeps inserting himself into this situationship.
Speaker A:No one asked you to.
Speaker A:No one told you to.
Speaker A:He even gave you an out.
Speaker A:But you thought that you had won this competition so much that you got champagne, which is insane.
Speaker C:He was prematurely celebrating.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's crazy.
Speaker C:There's like one egocentrism there.
Speaker A:Oh, but it's like, why would you even want to win by default?
Speaker B:That's not even a fighter.
Speaker A:That's not even a fight.
Speaker C:And you still lost.
Speaker A:He's not even there.
Speaker A:He doesn't even know he's in a competition, and there never was a competition.
Speaker A:Let's be so.
Speaker A:For real.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And like.
Speaker C:And also when Buck says that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Also when Buck says that about, you know, the.
Speaker C:The counter.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Where he doesn't have to have feelings for everybody that he sleeps with.
Speaker C:Well, that right there just shows that he is way over Tommy.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:And there were no feelings there.
Speaker C:And isn't that just like the little cherry on.
Speaker C:On the Sunday, like, for us.
Speaker A:It was for.
Speaker C:For us.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's just.
Speaker C:Just the way.
Speaker C:The way that they were kind of using each other.
Speaker C:I have a little quote from Tim from one of the interviews where Tim said, I think Buck could see a future there.
Speaker C:He did say that.
Speaker C:But I also think that in this moment, he realizes that he wasn't with Tommy for the sake of Tommy.
Speaker C:He was doing it to distract himself from a pain that he was having.
Speaker A:And he says that to Maddie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So he was essentially using him, by the way.
Speaker C:By the way, Tommy was kind of using him too.
Speaker C:And they're two consenting adults, so it's just like.
Speaker A:But do you know what's so interesting?
Speaker A:Do you know what this confirmed.
Speaker A:Cel, do you wanna.
Speaker B:This confirms this.
Speaker B:This whole conversation literally confirms that Tommy, the plot device, Mr.
Speaker B:Redacted, was after Eddie this entire time.
Speaker B:This entire time.
Speaker B:Starting from that scoff.
Speaker C:Jealousy.
Speaker B:The jealousy.
Speaker B:Listen, I like I said.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I think I said this in the live reaction or something somewhere.
Speaker B:I said it.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:It's crazy because, like, again, the way that he.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's basically night and day, the way he treats.
Speaker B:He treated Eddie versus how he treated Buck.
Speaker B:I mean, it was more than wine and dine with Eddie.
Speaker B:It was flying him to fights and all this other stuff.
Speaker B:And then just like the.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:The scoff.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That was like.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, my gaydar picked up that he's probably.
Speaker B:So I was after him, you know, but then you were there, which, again, is this.
Speaker B:And that's what it is too, because now Buck is there alone because the competition is gone.
Speaker B:So he's doing the thing again where he's not.
Speaker B:He doesn't care for Buck.
Speaker B:So what is.
Speaker B:Anyway, I hate him.
Speaker C:So, like, the competition thing kind of goes twofold, right.
Speaker C:Where Tommy is talking about Eddie being the competition for Buck's attention.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:But also a little bit like, the competition is gone.
Speaker C:Like, Tommy was competing for Eddie's attention as well, and the competition was actually Buck.
Speaker C:A little bit.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But he realized that he was losing the.
Speaker A:That competition.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:To Buck.
Speaker A:But, like, it was always going to be to Buck.
Speaker A:But, like, also the repression.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's like, this guy is too repressed.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:And also, you should know this, too, when you really think about it.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:Because if you go and watch back, like, 704 and 705.
Speaker B:Specifically 705, where, you know, he.
Speaker B:You know, they're at that dinner and Eddie comes up to them and, you know, Buck, like, you know what I mean?
Speaker C:Yes, we know what.
Speaker C:We know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker A:The world.
Speaker B:You guys are hanging out.
Speaker A:That's so awesome.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:No, it's not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, like, there's, like, little, like, remarks that Tommy makes.
Speaker B:Like, the whole, like.
Speaker B:I think they're talking about how, like, Marisol was moving in and.
Speaker B:And all of that, and.
Speaker B:And he goes like, yeah, you can't have enough closet space, Evan.
Speaker B:So, like, you know, you can take it.
Speaker B:A lot of people have taken it as.
Speaker B:As Tommy outing Buck to Eddie.
Speaker B:But, yeah, he was probably talking about Eddie, too, actually.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which I think we said in our plot device episode, for sure.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:He again, he's back here pulling double.
Speaker C:Duty as the plot device.
Speaker A:As the plot device again, about Buck's.
Speaker C:Feelings for Eddie and about Eddie's sexuality.
Speaker A:Eddie's sexuality.
Speaker C:Perfectly implemented.
Speaker C:No notes.
Speaker B:Chef's kiss.
Speaker A:Loved it.
Speaker C:We will accept this.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker B:Tommy and I hope.
Speaker B:And we know that we're gonna see him again, but.
Speaker A:But I don't think in a romantic sense.
Speaker A:I think Tim was like, what did he call him his bed buddy or something?
Speaker C:Yeah, he did.
Speaker C:He did.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker C:He's so unserious.
Speaker C:He said that on purpose.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:He sounds like you, though, when you're trying.
Speaker A:You're like, they had a relations or you're trying to, like, not say screw or Bed buddy.
Speaker A:You're bed buddies.
Speaker A:Yeah, he is.
Speaker A:Like, they're.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're so over.
Speaker A:They're never getting back together ever.
Speaker C:Like, ever.
Speaker A:We, like, he even confirms that Buck never calls him back, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, just hilarious.
Speaker B:Well, we're not.
Speaker B:We're not even.
Speaker B:We haven't even gotten to the Maddie.
Speaker A:No, we have.
Speaker A:I think we are heading there now, actually.
Speaker A:I think we're done.
Speaker B:No, but this.
Speaker B:Yeah, my little thing was.
Speaker B:Even though we are gonna see him again, it would just be fun if he sees Buck and Eddie together.
Speaker B:He kind of just says a little, you know, another little remark like, of course.
Speaker A:Of course you're back here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Couldn't stay away, could you, Diaz?
Speaker C:Like something like, stay away or.
Speaker A:Oh, no, I see her attached at the hip like some.
Speaker A:Just something.
Speaker B:And then Eddie just questions.
Speaker B:He's like, what's that about?
Speaker C:Like, nothing.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:So normal.
Speaker C:Nothing to see here.
Speaker B:Nothing to see here.
Speaker A:Nothing happened in your house?
Speaker A:House.
Speaker B:My house.
Speaker C:I'm sorry, what?
Speaker B:What happened in my house?
Speaker A:I need.
Speaker A:I need Eddie to find out about this so badly.
Speaker A:So badly.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, my camera's shaking.
Speaker B:There's no hate here.
Speaker A:She would hate it so much.
Speaker C:Another reason why Eddie and Maddie cannot communicate.
Speaker C:Because she would tell him immediately.
Speaker C:Not immediately, but, you know, anyway, so.
Speaker C:So Buck, in the aftermath of the morning after.
Speaker B:Good Lord.
Speaker C:Is rehashing what.
Speaker C:What Tommy told him to Maddie kind of soundboarding, getting.
Speaker C:Getting her ear on this.
Speaker C:And again, Maddie is a saint.
Speaker C:We love her so much.
Speaker A:I just want to know, because we don't see him say exactly what Tommy said.
Speaker A:So I'm like, how is he relaying it?
Speaker A:Is he saying the exact quote, or is he saying.
Speaker A:He accused me of being in love with him because all he said was, the competition is gone.
Speaker A:You're living in his house.
Speaker A:Scoffed at the idea of him being straight.
Speaker A:But what we pick up on him saying is not that at all.
Speaker C:No, I think it.
Speaker C:I think it was filtered through Buck's.
Speaker A:Like, it's the unreliable narrator thing.
Speaker C:Love him so much because we Pick up.
Speaker A:And he's just, like, mid ran.
Speaker A:He's like, what's that even supposed to mean?
Speaker A:I'm living in Eddie's old house, therefore I must be in love with him.
Speaker A:No one, literally no one said that except for you.
Speaker A:Several times now he's drawing these lines.
Speaker C:And conclusions where nobody else has drawn those lines and conclusions, and it's all him projecting his deep, deep feelings and not knowing that those are his actual deep, deep feelings.
Speaker C:And it's interesting, though, that, like, we're seeing Buck, you know, baking kind of into this baking frenzy again, even when he and Tommy are done.
Speaker C:And it was just confirmed that he doesn't have feelings anymore for Tommy.
Speaker C:But to kind of bring it back to when Buck came over to Maddie's in the first place, when he was like, can I sleep here?
Speaker C:And he brought all these baked goods.
Speaker C:It's alluding to the Tommy baking, but it's.
Speaker C:It's not actually.
Speaker A:It's almost like the baking was never about Tommy.
Speaker C:It's sad about Eddie baking.
Speaker C:That's what this is.
Speaker C:So it's just like Buck's emotional turmoil turmoil sort of stuff.
Speaker C:So, yeah, it's.
Speaker C:It's not about.
Speaker C:It was never about Tommy, or at least just like.
Speaker A:Yeah, I would argue that the baking was always about Eddie because Eddie.
Speaker A:Tommy was only a distraction from his feelings about Eddie.
Speaker A:Like, it was so convenient that Tommy was there for him to project those feelings onto because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to come to any other conclusion.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:And so now that that distraction's gone and him and Eddie are, like, not talking about serious things and Christopher's gone.
Speaker A:I don't think.
Speaker A:I don't know that it's, like, conscious in his head that he thinks he might be losing Eddie.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker C:It's definitely.
Speaker A:I think Chrissy said this on.
Speaker A:On Twitter.
Speaker A:I think she said that she thinks Buck has had this, like, fear ever since he realized he was bisexual, that he would get accused of being in love with Eddie and not just as, like, a being in love with Eddie because of the truth of that, but because of, like, any kind of fear, like a queer person has, but especially like a queer man has of being accused of, like, having feelings or, like, hitting on, like, their male friend, their male best friend.
Speaker A:So I think I really agree with that.
Speaker A:Like, on some level, that fear was always there.
Speaker A:And that's one of the many reasons that, like, Tommy calling him the competition really pissed him off.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I digress.
Speaker C:Back to Maddie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I kind of want to talk about that, but let's.
Speaker B:Let's move on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, he's like, I must be in love with him because I'm living in his house, therefore I must be in love with him.
Speaker A:And she's like, are you?
Speaker A:And she's not even, like, sarcastic.
Speaker C:She's just, like, genuinely inquisitive.
Speaker C:Like, she.
Speaker C:She honestly wants to know if he has, like, an awareness.
Speaker C:And then she follows it up with.
Speaker C:It wouldn't be so crazy.
Speaker C:These lines of these two scenes are some of the wildest stuff I have ever heard in canon of any show.
Speaker C:Any show.
Speaker C:To address this head on in such a manner.
Speaker C:Because, like, it's with Maddie saying that it's like, it wouldn't be so crazy totally implies it's her saying it makes sense to me.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Like, I don't think it's crazy.
Speaker C:I think it makes sense and I'm supportive of it.
Speaker A:Also, she was there for the conversation that he was having in Confessions where he was asked if he was in love with Tommy and he was, like, in love.
Speaker A:And then she says, are you?
Speaker A:And he's like, in love with Eddie and he's like, smiling.
Speaker A:So I'm just saying.
Speaker C:Yeah, like, it's like, it's almost preposterous.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:It's so preposterous to him that he finds it amusing, but also, like, that smile doesn't lie.
Speaker B:No, it's like.
Speaker B:It's kind of like.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like a little.
Speaker B:Yeah, but what if.
Speaker B:Smile.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Like, very briefly, just kind of like.
Speaker C:Like imagine.
Speaker B:And then we're back to ranting.
Speaker A:I just think the way that he responds here, even though he is denying it, is still worded weirdly.
Speaker A:And I can't put my finger on it, but she's like, I wouldn't be so crazy.
Speaker A:And he's like, except that I'm not.
Speaker C:It's the lady doth protest too much.
Speaker C:It's him consistently insisting that, like, I'm not, though everybody wants me to be, but I'm not.
Speaker C:I promise.
Speaker A:I just feel like the most natural way would just be like, but that's not how things are between us.
Speaker A:Or, like, that's not how I see him.
Speaker A:Like, I just feel like.
Speaker A:Just I'm not, except I'm not.
Speaker A:I don't like, like him.
Speaker C:He doesn't give any actual reason for why he isn't.
Speaker C:It's complete and total deflection every single time.
Speaker C:And he tries to do it in a Couple different directions.
Speaker C:He says, except I'm not.
Speaker C:Doesn't give a reason why their relationship is because of this.
Speaker C:He's like, no, Everybody seems to want me to be pining for my straight best friend.
Speaker C:It just isn't like that.
Speaker C:Does he give any reason?
Speaker A:No one, no one wants you to be.
Speaker C:Who has said out of all of the people that he knows who are.
Speaker A:Privy to to this, and neither one of them said that you were in love with him who wanted you to be?
Speaker A:Because you said that you were accused of it, but you actually weren't.
Speaker A:So really you're the only one talking about it.
Speaker C:It's giving projection.
Speaker A:As much as everyone seems to want me.
Speaker A:Who's everyone?
Speaker A:You, your several DSM 5 diagnoses in a trench coat.
Speaker A:Like who or who is everyone who seems to want you to be hopelessly fighting for your straight best friend?
Speaker C:We have never heard this from anybody.
Speaker C:Is he just like making these assumptions from everybody?
Speaker C:Because oh, maybe that's how he actually feels.
Speaker C:And he's like, I can't because he's straight.
Speaker C:And it's just like there's no reason.
Speaker A:To react like this.
Speaker A:If he didn't feel anything.
Speaker A:There's literally no reason for him to react like this.
Speaker A:He would be laughing, he would think it was funny.
Speaker A:The only calling Eddie and being like, you'll never believe what happened.
Speaker A:Like, hehehaha.
Speaker C:Isn't that crazy?
Speaker C:The only legitimate to him reason that he gives for him not being in love is because Eddie is straight.
Speaker C:That's not a reason.
Speaker A:It's almost like that's the only reason he can't admit his feelings or accept them.
Speaker A:So interesting.
Speaker C:And then like, like, does not having Eddie in my life and in the field leave a big hole?
Speaker C:Yeah, it does.
Speaker A:And it's just like they're an aching chasm inside of me without him around.
Speaker B:Jesus.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Bro, bro, Bro.
Speaker B:Be so bro.
Speaker C:He's so dramatic.
Speaker A:It's like, do I feel like without him here.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:He's so for real, man.
Speaker B:I, I man, like, do you hear yourself?
Speaker C:He doesn't.
Speaker B:This is, this is a rant at Evan Buck Buckley.
Speaker B:Do you hear yourself?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:No gaping hole, pining for my best friend in love with Eddie straight.
Speaker B:I don't have to have feelings.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't have to want to sleep with anyone I have feelings for.
Speaker B:Bro.
Speaker C:Dude, come on.
Speaker B:Someone.
Speaker B:If I was there, if I was there.
Speaker C:If you were Maddie, you would have bonked him on the head.
Speaker B:Yeah, and that's the thing.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:That's one of the things I.
Speaker B:I guess I do appreciate because she's still.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:There was.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's a cut to her.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't really remember after which crazy ass line, but there's.
Speaker B:There's a letter.
Speaker B:It doesn't matter because she's like, oh, my God, am I gonna get it?
Speaker B:Is he gonna say it?
Speaker B:Okay, it's not.
Speaker A:When she's like, are you.
Speaker A:And he's, like, in love with Eddie.
Speaker A:And she's like, it wouldn't be so crazy.
Speaker A:And he's like, except that I'm not.
Speaker A:And then she's like.
Speaker A:And then she's like, folding the.
Speaker A:The tea towels like, it's not today.
Speaker A:Today.
Speaker A:It's not the day.
Speaker A:She's like, I will update my diary.
Speaker A:Maybe still not today.
Speaker B:Today was not today.
Speaker B:What this chimney.
Speaker B:Do we think Chimney knows?
Speaker B:I want to say no, because that man can't keep a secret.
Speaker B:But at the same time, that man was making faces during the subletting.
Speaker A:He was making a.
Speaker A:I think he ships it, but I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm here for it.
Speaker A:I just don't think that he knows on the level that Maddie.
Speaker C:He doesn't know on the level.
Speaker A:Maddie.
Speaker C:Of Maddie.
Speaker C:But he knows on the level at least that, like.
Speaker A:But he has eyes.
Speaker C:Nose.
Speaker A:He has eyes.
Speaker C:And chimney knows.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker C:And Bobby knows.
Speaker C:Yeah, he has eyes.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:But also her reaction to when Buck says, like, I understand Tommy being threatened by what me and Eddie have.
Speaker A:So interesting.
Speaker A:What do you and Eddie have?
Speaker B:What is this thing between you two?
Speaker C:If you want to name a thing.
Speaker A:Between you that got messy and hard.
Speaker A:Is it a gaping hole?
Speaker A:What are we doing with the double entendres and all of these lines?
Speaker A:Guys, what are we.
Speaker A:What are we doing?
Speaker B:What are we.
Speaker A:What are we doing?
Speaker C:I don't know, man.
Speaker A:What I'm saying, but him saying.
Speaker A:She's like, did you explain it?
Speaker A:And he's like, in the meanest way possible.
Speaker A:And then she makes a face because she's like, I.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker A:It's the big sister.
Speaker A:Stop being mean to people.
Speaker C:But also, he didn't.
Speaker A:And he's like, I understand.
Speaker A:Feeling threatened.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:He seemed so relieved he was gone, and it pissed me off.
Speaker A:Valid.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's normal.
Speaker C:Yes, that's the most normal out of all of this.
Speaker A:But then it felt like he was accusing me of something.
Speaker A:He wasn't.
Speaker C:Nobody said that, bro.
Speaker A:He wasn't.
Speaker A:It's almost like you feel Guilty for emotionally cheating.
Speaker B:Oh my God, Fidelity.
Speaker B:We are so bad.
Speaker C:Is.
Speaker C:Is this what he's been thinking the whole time we were together?
Speaker C:I love, I love that, like, seed of doubt that's been planted in his head.
Speaker C:Now.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, well, is the first relationship that I've had with a man kind of based on like this total.
Speaker C:Not necessarily a lie, but like this total, like, misinterpretation of my relationship with my best friend.
Speaker C:That's where some self reflection, that's where it opens the door for some self reflection there.
Speaker C:Because that seed of doubt has been planted.
Speaker C:I love that so much.
Speaker C:It's not gonna happen yet, but it's there.
Speaker A:And we're back to the plot device being a plot device.
Speaker A:Because do you know what isn't upset because, oh, it was his first boyfriend who accused him of this or his.
Speaker A:Because it fell apart and he wanted to get back together with him.
Speaker A:Why is he upset?
Speaker A:It just sucks that it was the first night I was actually able to sleep in this place.
Speaker B:That's why it sucks.
Speaker A:That's why it sucks.
Speaker A:It sucks.
Speaker A:It doesn't suck because, like your whole relationship, he would have thought that you had feelings for your best friend.
Speaker A:No, it sucks because.
Speaker A:Because you were missing Eddie so badly, you couldn't even stand to sleep one night in his house.
Speaker A:And you finally were able to.
Speaker A:So interesting.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's almost like.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And here's.
Speaker C:Here's that thing of Tommy being that Eddie stand in again.
Speaker C:The first night that Buck was able to spend.
Speaker C:Spend in that house was with this weak imitation of Eddie that's really interesting to me.
Speaker A:He's giving great value.
Speaker C:Which is what we've been saying.
Speaker B:And it's because subconsciously, you know, to me, what it says is like, the only reason why he's able to sleep in this house is because, like, he was able to subconsciously, I guess it's like kind of like, oh, it's a warm body, but like also like the Eddie stand in.
Speaker B:And that's why he was able to exactly.
Speaker B:Finally sleep.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker C:That's exactly what I was saying.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker C:Yeah, like, it's not Eddie, but it's the closest I'm gonna get right now.
Speaker B:Because the whole fucking day he was just thinking about him.
Speaker B:He couldn't stop thinking about him.
Speaker A:Then we get him saying that he doesn't want to unpack, which, like, yes, we know that's about your feelings.
Speaker A:We know that's about your feelings.
Speaker A:You've made that very clear in these two conversations.
Speaker A:But, yeah, and he's like, as soon as I do, it means that Eddie and Chris are coming back for real.
Speaker A:Cause he's in denial about so many things.
Speaker A:Oh, denial for denial.
Speaker A:And then he says, I should call him.
Speaker C:Huh?
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, my God, finally.
Speaker A:That's what I've been saying.
Speaker A:It's not like he moved to Mars.
Speaker A:It's not like he died.
Speaker A:He died.
Speaker C:She's like, he's getting it.
Speaker B:He's getting it.
Speaker A:So he's telling everyone he's dead.
Speaker A:And he's like, like, no, I met Tommy.
Speaker A:I met Tommy.
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, my God, again.
Speaker B:Someone saved this woman.
Speaker C:Patience of a saint.
Speaker A:Put her out of her misery.
Speaker C:She needs to be thrown a party once these two get together, like, for her.
Speaker C:Emotional.
Speaker B:Like she's walking her brother down.
Speaker A:She needs, like, emotional back pay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:She needs a massage.
Speaker C:She needs, like, a spa day.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Paid for by Buddy.
Speaker C:There's also.
Speaker C:In that conversation, there has been.
Speaker C:Obviously, we were making parallels to Abby the whole time with.
Speaker C:With the Eddie leaving and Buck staying in.
Speaker C:In his house.
Speaker C:Tim has said in one of the interviews that there was an original version of this scene, this conversation where Maddie tells him, well, you did live in Abby's house for six months after she walked out on you.
Speaker B:Rest in peace.
Speaker A:We could have had it.
Speaker C:And he says, and Buck's point was like, yeah, well, I thought she was coming back.
Speaker C:The reason I don't want to unpack here is because if I do, that means they're not really.
Speaker C:They're really not coming back.
Speaker C:It was sort of a dichotomy.
Speaker C:But he.
Speaker C:He said he got notes on the scene, and people were like, no one's gonna understand this.
Speaker C:And I should have listened to my gut.
Speaker C:The audience would understand.
Speaker C:I would just like to say, yes, you're right.
Speaker C:Yes, we do understand.
Speaker A:We do understand.
Speaker A:You're correct.
Speaker A:And you should not doubt yourself unless you're trying to kill Bobby Nash.
Speaker A:And then you should absolutely doubt yourself.
Speaker A:Doubt yourself.
Speaker C:Think twice, Think three times, and then change your answer.
Speaker B:And if you need.
Speaker B:And if you need help, you know, sound bored, we're here.
Speaker A:You can always take a buddy with you.
Speaker B:No, because I can tell you that that is a terrible decision.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I wish they would have kept that in.
Speaker A:I mean, it was so great even without it.
Speaker C:But, yeah, because, like, we've been picking up on it for.
Speaker C:For weeks and weeks.
Speaker C:But that would have been, like, a great clue in to the general audience.
Speaker C:And it's like, yeah, you can have something Referencing season one.
Speaker C:And people are still gonna understand that.
Speaker C:Like the people who said.
Speaker C:Who gave those notes.
Speaker B:Like, are you like, to me, this is what doesn't make any sense because we're already, like, established or re.
Speaker B:Established.
Speaker B:The avi of it all.
Speaker B:Yes, exactly.
Speaker B:A couple episodes ago.
Speaker B:So, like, why couldn't you keep that in.
Speaker B:I don't get it.
Speaker B:I don't understand.
Speaker A:Or he reminded people she existed and then.
Speaker C:Yeah, he did say connected it.
Speaker C:He did say he really regrets not keeping that.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker C:So that's the one thing that he would change about it.
Speaker C:And I'm like, so fair.
Speaker C:So right.
Speaker A:So true.
Speaker A:But yeah, he says he's.
Speaker A:He's gonna call to apologize because he.
Speaker A:He's probably right.
Speaker A:And he was using him as a distraction so that he didn't feel alone.
Speaker A:Ma says it's not the best reason to get back together with someone.
Speaker A:He says no.
Speaker A:And then she says, like we talked about earlier, maybe it's time you learn the lesson again.
Speaker A:How to be alone.
Speaker A:And he fucking hates that lesson.
Speaker A:And then we get confirmation from Tim that he never calls him back because he gets busy.
Speaker A:I think it just wasn't that important to him.
Speaker C:Oh, imagine he starts.
Speaker A:Maybe he starts FaceTiming his husband.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe that's what he's busy doing.
Speaker A:So, yeah, this.
Speaker A:This episode for Buckets, just a wild ride.
Speaker A:Like, we.
Speaker A:We knew all this, but, like, seeing it play out in full neon letters.
Speaker C:Like, that is something that we witness with our eyeballs.
Speaker C:And I think we're still a little bit in.
Speaker C:Like, did that actually just happen?
Speaker A:Like crazy.
Speaker A:We then get the scene at the end with him finally unpacking his stuff.
Speaker A:Not his feelings.
Speaker C:Let's be the physical unpacking.
Speaker C:The emotional will be later.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:You know, it's Buck who's gonna be okay again.
Speaker A:And he's moving things around.
Speaker A:My favorite part is just the couch that he just moves literally everywhere.
Speaker A:Even though there's only one spot that it actually makes sense for it to fucking go in that room.
Speaker A:Well, I love where he ends up putting it.
Speaker A:And then there's that parallel shot to him from 808.
Speaker C:Let's take this party to the couch.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:Pops himself down.
Speaker A:It's the exact same thing there.
Speaker A:Waiting Freddie.
Speaker A:Like he was in 808.
Speaker C:And just like.
Speaker C:And like, let's.
Speaker C:Let's be so for real.
Speaker C:This is couch theory continued.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:We have another entry into the.
Speaker A:Into the.
Speaker C:Into the couch theory book.
Speaker A:It is right with Wrong couch.
Speaker A:Right house.
Speaker C:And he even tries, like, with the feng shui of it all, he's trying to make it feel comfortable and position it and literally, like, every permutation that he can, but he ends up with the couch and the coffee table in the same exact place that Eddie's was.
Speaker C:Because it's what feels the most.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Nothing else feels right.
Speaker A:I did just want to draw attention to the.
Speaker C:To the glass locker room again.
Speaker A:Again, where we're getting kind of similar blocking that we got in episode nine with Buck and Eddie.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:They're just hitting us over the head with this at this point.
Speaker A:And the fact that they did that in the same episode where they continually call Eddie straight and bring that into question.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also, it's beautiful.
Speaker C:It really showed that, like, that was a one person job, you know, the.
Speaker C:The spritzing and the squeegeeing.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker C:Because, you know, Buck and Buck and Eddie are just like, you know, everything.
Speaker C:Everything is a two person job.
Speaker C:They're sold as a set.
Speaker C:Do not separate.
Speaker C:Meanwhile, Robbie's doing it probably twice as fast all on his own.
Speaker C:He's like, wow, that looks great.
Speaker C:Meanwhile, Buck and Eddie were distracted chatting the entire time.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, my God, how do they ever get anything done?
Speaker C:Just like, they don't of like, I love those tiktoks because it's always firefighters doing the, like, everything is a two person job.
Speaker C:And everyone in the comments every time.
Speaker A:Is just like bucking any.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:We did get a.
Speaker A:A let go roller coaster parallel at the beginning of the episode at the church.
Speaker A:And we were so scared that didn't.
Speaker C:End up the first time.
Speaker A:So glad that they didn't throw that on top of Buck on top of the, you know, I'm not in love with my best friend crisis.
Speaker C:Yeah, we didn't.
Speaker C:We didn't need that.
Speaker C:But it really was giving that kind of like roller coaster.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Ride where literally, like, Buck is kind of doing the same thing.
Speaker C:He is, like, reaching out his hand.
Speaker C:He's like, just take my hand.
Speaker C:And it turns out.
Speaker C:It turns out a lot better.
Speaker C:Honestly.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:It did kind of remind me very much of dosed as well for parallel for Bobby when, you know, he was high on the brownies and he took to the rooftop and it was like this like, religious euphoria sort of situation, which was very similar to like the lady who has carbon monoxide poisoning, which is different.
Speaker A:But I did just realize there is a bit of a parallel there too, with that being the episode that Abby calls Him for the first time.
Speaker A:And this is the last time we're seeing him and Tommy in a romantic context.
Speaker C:Aw.
Speaker C:It's like a bookend.
Speaker A:Then we have color theory.
Speaker A:I think what I really want to draw attention to is the plaid because we're seeing a lot of plaid on Buck this season.
Speaker A:This episode.
Speaker A:He's wearing two different plaids.
Speaker A:The one in the locker room with Robbie, it's red cream underneath.
Speaker A:And like red is his color, but the one in the bar is burnt orange, which is even more his color.
Speaker C:It's also interesting too, because we see so much of this plaid.
Speaker C:And then in the next episode, because we've seen it, who else is wearing plaid?
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker C:But for different reasons.
Speaker C:So it's that visual tie that even when they're apart, they're still kind of like on the same page.
Speaker A:And I think the most interesting thing that he's wearing is in the scene in the kitchen scene with Tommy, he is wearing a gray cut off tank.
Speaker A:Who do we know who wears cut off tank tops?
Speaker B:Oh, oh, oh.
Speaker C:Eddie.
Speaker A:Not Edmundo.
Speaker A:Eddie.
Speaker C:There's a difference.
Speaker A:Most specifically, I think he was wearing a cutoff tank top the last time Buck saw him.
Speaker C:And then we also see another one the next time we see him.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker C:But also we love those.
Speaker C:Thank you, wardrobe department.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Continue to put them in those.
Speaker C:Doing what you're doing, like doing the Lord's work.
Speaker C:We hope you get paid the big bucks.
Speaker B:You know what I think.
Speaker B:I don't think we really touched on it.
Speaker B:The basketball game tickets.
Speaker A:Oh my God, we did it.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker C:We didn't even touch on the whole story.
Speaker A:Story.
Speaker C:Eddie has a silver star.
Speaker A:Oh my God, we gotta.
Speaker C:Which has been our like, little catchphrase for the last week and a half.
Speaker C:I love that line so much.
Speaker B:I love that we were able to get a callback to these basketball tickets that were.
Speaker B:That was like Tommy's gift for his and Buck's six month anniversary.
Speaker B:Which really funny because as we all know, Buck hates basketball.
Speaker B:And like confirmed.
Speaker B:Confirmed again that this was a test because he goes, he goes.
Speaker B:What does he say?
Speaker B:He's like, oh, yeah, here's.
Speaker B:Here's the gift.
Speaker B:You can take Eddie if you want.
Speaker B:And Buck's like, wait, really?
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah.
Speaker B:And die.
Speaker B:Like so.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was a test.
Speaker B:And so again, this episode, really, when you're re watching this, you're just like, oh, wait.
Speaker B:So he really.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:It's because Eddie was competition there, so.
Speaker A:And he was testing.
Speaker A:It's been six Months.
Speaker A:Have I moved up in the ranks?
Speaker A:Will he be like, well, no, it's our anniversary date.
Speaker A:Like, it's our anniversary present.
Speaker A:Of course we're celebrating it together.
Speaker B:No, he's considering this.
Speaker A:It was like, oh, no, really?
Speaker C:I can.
Speaker B:What a great gift.
Speaker A:Eddie loves basketball and he has a silver star.
Speaker B:So anyway, we get to hear the story.
Speaker A:He's so obsessed with him.
Speaker A:It's so embarrassing.
Speaker B:We get to hear this lovely story because.
Speaker B:And only in Buck's eyes is Eddie a cool person.
Speaker C:So true.
Speaker B:He's a loser.
Speaker C:Loser for a loser.
Speaker C:We love him so much.
Speaker C:And I'm sure.
Speaker B:And I'm sure Robbie is also like, God, these losers.
Speaker B:But anyway, Robbie's at the receiving end of this lovely story about how Eddie and Buck are on a not date.
Speaker B:And, you know, they're like, oh, well, Buck was like, oh, there's 10 minutes.
Speaker B:We're gonna be late to the game.
Speaker B:So, like, Eddie pays the tab.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:Because it was a day.
Speaker B:Because it was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He picks up the tab.
Speaker B:And then they find that Bug's tire has a boot on it.
Speaker B:And Mr.
Speaker A:Competent.
Speaker A:Mr.
Speaker B:Competent Eddie Diaz would never do anything illegal.
Speaker B:Is like, bug, where's your spare?
Speaker B:And quickly.
Speaker B:And changes the tire in five minutes.
Speaker B:And then they're on their way to the basketball game and leaves the boot.
Speaker B:And then Robbie's like.
Speaker B:And Robbie's like, isn't that illegal?
Speaker C:And then Buck's like, no, never do something.
Speaker B:Eddie would never do something illegal.
Speaker B:Eddie has a silver star.
Speaker C:I can't get over it.
Speaker A:And we.
Speaker A:And we were like, was.
Speaker A:He was literally an illeg ring.
Speaker A:And then Ravi said it because Ravi's gotten the tea from Chimney, obviously.
Speaker C:Oh, totally.
Speaker A:And he's like, no, he has a.
Speaker C:Lot of stuff coming up.
Speaker A:And he had a lot going on at the moment.
Speaker C:Just Eddie.
Speaker C:Eddie gets, like, a free pass because he has a silver star.
Speaker C:He's so cool.
Speaker C:Which, like, we know he isn't because so much of Eddie's entire arc has been to tear that down.
Speaker C:But yet he's still the greatest in Buck's eyes.
Speaker C:And it's just, oh, my God.
Speaker C:Funniest, most competent, perfect person ever with a silver star.
Speaker A:That's lost.
Speaker A:He would never emotionally cheat.
Speaker B:Maybe that's why he didn't flip out as much as, like, you expected him to.
Speaker C:Eddie can do whatever.
Speaker C:He has a silver star.
Speaker B:Eddie's so smart.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker B:Eddie would never do anything too crazy.
Speaker A:Eddie, just literally.
Speaker B:Eddie, literally.
Speaker A:That whole scene is the second cut.
Speaker A:You just with someone and are out with your friend who's trying to help you forget about them.
Speaker A:You're getting wasted and all you can do is talk about your ex.
Speaker A:And they're like, literally, shut the fuck up.
Speaker A:Yeah, we hate him.
Speaker A:Even though Robbie doesn't hate him.
Speaker A:But that's the energy it's giving.
Speaker A:It's just so.
Speaker A:It's so embarrassing because, like, that isn't even a cool story.
Speaker A:Like, I think it's funny.
Speaker A:Like, it's a funny story.
Speaker A:It's very Buck and Eddie.
Speaker A:But it's not even a cool story because, like, sure, were they maybe not late to the game, maybe.
Speaker A:But was it costing more money to do all of that than to just pay to get the boot off?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Tires for a Jeep are expensive.
Speaker C:What made the story cool was that it was Eddie being like, oh, let's do this, and we'll take care of it.
Speaker C:I'll take care of it.
Speaker B:It's like, I got this.
Speaker C:Yeah, I got this.
Speaker C:And it's just like one of those Buck and Eddie adventures.
Speaker C:That's, like, normal to, like, should be.
Speaker C:Normal is not normal to them because they are not normal.
Speaker B:So gross.
Speaker A:It's so cute.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's cute.
Speaker B:Sweet and gross at the same time.
Speaker B:Because, like, in my head, I'm like, buck is definitely watching this man do all of that, being so competent.
Speaker B:And then, like, in his head, he's like, oh, my God, this is my hero right here.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:And he's watching him do all that.
Speaker C:And in his head all the time is like, what a man playing.
Speaker B:Literally, oh, what a man.
Speaker A:I just have to say this to get a boot off of your car.
Speaker A:It's like 150 to 200.
Speaker A:Do you know how much it is for new tires?
Speaker A:Like a one new tire?
Speaker A:It's like several hundred dollars for a decent one.
Speaker C:This is why they have bad credit, because they're not making the smart, easier decisions.
Speaker C:They're making the cool, adventurous decisions because it's Eddie, and Eddie has a silver star.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:This is the kind of shit you would do, like, in high school.
Speaker A:Like, that's the maturity level we're dealing with with both of them.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker C:And it's like.
Speaker C:And I'm sure we'll talk about this more in the episode where we're covering 8:12.
Speaker C:Because, like, this goes the other way too, where Eddie thinks that Buck is, like, the most like these people raising a child together.
Speaker A:I just need everyone to stop and think about that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Christopher thinks Buck is so cool.
Speaker B:I Mean, Yeah, like, who's also another loser.
Speaker A:He is a loser.
Speaker A:I love him so much.
Speaker C:Like, Buck thinks Eddie is so cool.
Speaker C:Eddie thinks Buck is so awesome.
Speaker C:Like, they're perfect for each other because they're the only ones that see each other this way.
Speaker B:They're both wearing their Buck and Eddie glasses, respectively.
Speaker C:Only for you.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:They're insane.
Speaker A:I believe this wraps our section on Buck.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:How.
Speaker A:How did they manage.
Speaker B:Choking?
Speaker A:Choking?
Speaker C:What?
Speaker B:Oh, I'm not.
Speaker B:It might have been.
Speaker B:Does he choke?
Speaker B:Maybe I'm just seeing things.
Speaker B:So, okay, so for.
Speaker A:She chokes when, like, Tommy comes up.
Speaker B:Okay, so like I was saying, this is.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is the.
Speaker A:It's Brenny.
Speaker A:She literally is joking.
Speaker B:Wait, my camera went the other way.
Speaker B:Choking for the wrong reasons.
Speaker C:The spirit of Buck Buckley just went through me.
Speaker C:You mentioned Tommy, and I was like, just.
Speaker B:Just a small little, like, maybe sort of, kind of.
Speaker B:Maybe not there really, but kind of, sort of.
Speaker B:Yeah, parallel.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker B:You know how we.
Speaker B:We talk Buck choking during his date with Abby on.
Speaker B:On the bready of it all.
Speaker B:Well, that's.
Speaker C:That's 106 heartbreaker for anyone.
Speaker C:Listen.
Speaker C:To go back into the.
Speaker C:The archives.
Speaker A:Some good buddy system lore.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then we're trying to make ready happen.
Speaker B:And then when the.
Speaker B:The ghost of.
Speaker B:The ghost of X was passed.
Speaker B:I need to stop doing that.
Speaker B:When.
Speaker B:When.
Speaker B:And then, you know, when Buck finally sees Tommy, you know, because Robbie brings him over, he's like, Tommy just choking.
Speaker B:Just choking things.
Speaker B:Because this is the second time he's choking on a.
Speaker B:Well, this is not a date, but it.
Speaker B:You know, it leads to things.
Speaker B:So here we are.
Speaker A:It's not a date, but he does say, I feel like I just got dumped again.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, I'm so glad you brought this up still, because I did not make that connection.
Speaker B:Is he wearing break up green?
Speaker C:Honestly, I think it was the T shirt that he wore when Tommy broke up with him.
Speaker C:It's breakup green.
Speaker C:And then Tommy comes in and reminds Buck that they are broken up.
Speaker A:I would burn that shirt if I got broken up with that shirt.
Speaker A:That the next time I saw that.
Speaker C:Person, I was also wearing that shirt.
Speaker A:And then they confronted me with feelings that I didn't want to face.
Speaker C:Embarrassing.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Do you only burn that shirt?
Speaker B:Eddie's gonna help burn that shirt.
Speaker C:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:Along with the mattress.
Speaker B:Along the mattress and the couch.
Speaker B:Anyway, there is one more thing.
Speaker B:So I did clock kind of sort of like a Maddie and Eddie.
Speaker B:Well, it's not only Maddie and Eddie, but There is.
Speaker B:There's a parallel here in, like, three episodes, technically.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So, you know, at the.
Speaker B:The last conversation that they're having where he's like, maybe I should call Tommy to apologize or whatever.
Speaker B:Maddie's like, no, you need to learn how to be alone.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:So I'm paralleling that to.
Speaker B:Paralleling that to in the.
Speaker B:In the.
Speaker B:At the fire station where.
Speaker C:Where he's.
Speaker B:Where he's like, checking his phone.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, Tommy's bubbling me.
Speaker B:Or whatever.
Speaker B:And like, Eddie sealed feels.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe something's wrong.
Speaker B:Maybe I should call him.
Speaker B:And Eddie's like, no.
Speaker B:And like, him.
Speaker B:And him and him and Hannah are like, like trading off the phone.
Speaker B:So, like, he doesn't, like, you know, like the whole.
Speaker B:That whole thing happens.
Speaker B:And then we also have.
Speaker B:So, okay, if they're at Buck's loft and she.
Speaker B:This is when, like, she reveals that or, well, he figured out that she's pregnant, so he's like, wait, so you think I should.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's the same episode.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Okay, so he's like, wait, so you think I should call Tommy?
Speaker B:And she's like, huh, maybe you should start thinking about what's next instead of what's past.
Speaker B:So, like, I mean, this is.
Speaker B:This is just fueling my Maddie and Eddie hate him agenda.
Speaker B:But, you know.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, they.
Speaker A:They do.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And that's also the same conversation where Maddie's like, the universe will get.
Speaker C:Will bring you someone special.
Speaker C:Well, now we kind of know who she's thinking of, like, legitimately.
Speaker C:Would it be so crazy?
Speaker B:Like, oh, the universe is like, screaming.
Speaker B:Anyway, now we can continue.
Speaker B:I'm done.
Speaker C:I think we.
Speaker C:I think it's fair to say that we've dissected that.
Speaker C:What's.
Speaker C:What's next?
Speaker C:Our.
Speaker C:Into the Looking Glass, which are just a bunch of big, big fat question marks.
Speaker C:Pretty much.
Speaker A:Big fat nothing.
Speaker C:Big fat nothings.
Speaker C:It's like, okay, so at this point, we have watched 8:12, so we know what's happening there, that we're going to be covering 812 and 13 together because they kind of like, from what we understand, go hand in hand.
Speaker C:So 813 is titled Invisible.
Speaker C:It's going to air on April 3rd, and it's directed by Carla Braun.
Speaker C:We have.
Speaker C:We do have a synopsis for this one, which is after the 118 respond to several calls from the same person, hen steps in to offer them advice.
Speaker C:Meanwhile, Eddie confronts his parents and takes a bit.
Speaker C:Big step in his relationship.
Speaker C:With his son, which, like, we're so excited for.
Speaker C:Because one, we get hen.
Speaker C:We love when we get hen.
Speaker C:Two, we get Eddie confronts his parents, which we've literally been gunning for.
Speaker C:Like I said, the end of seven.
Speaker B:Let's fucking go, Eddie.
Speaker B:I'm gonna hold your Pink Pony Club hat.
Speaker B:Go off on them.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm right here for you.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So that will be airing when the day that this comes out.
Speaker C:And after that is just basically a big ball of we don't know.
Speaker C:So the week after, I was like.
Speaker B:Oh, we get to see most likely, possibly Angry Eddie again.
Speaker C:We're here for it.
Speaker C:We're so love Angry Eddie.
Speaker C:Something about that.
Speaker C:So the week after is 8:14, which is titled Sick Day.
Speaker C:And it's part one, we know of this big emergency.
Speaker C:And 8:15, which is titled Lab Rats will air on April 17th.
Speaker C:And it's part two of this big emergency.
Speaker C:We don't know what it is.
Speaker C:We know it's big.
Speaker C:We've seen the helicoptery things.
Speaker C:We've seen Buck and Athena teaming up.
Speaker C:That's literally all we know.
Speaker A:Some sort of biological weapon.
Speaker B:We basically seen 911 terrorizing the residents of LA.
Speaker C:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:What they do best, affectionately.
Speaker A:And then I think that crying BTS thing we got was from.
Speaker A:There's no way it's not from 14 or 15.
Speaker C:So that's probably from 14 or 15.
Speaker C:We don't know which one.
Speaker C:One and then 16.
Speaker C:Which one.
Speaker C:We don't have a title.
Speaker C:Two.
Speaker C:We don't know when it's going to air because they're taking April 24 off and whether it's a one or two week hiatus yet to be announced.
Speaker C:Yet to be announced.
Speaker C:All we know.
Speaker C:Well, no, we don't know anything.
Speaker C:We just know what we've seen and we don't like what we see and we are concerned.
Speaker A:No, this is spoiler alert.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, this whole episode is spoilers.
Speaker A:But the spoiler alert, in case you.
Speaker A:You haven't been on Twitter and if.
Speaker C:You haven't and you don't want to.
Speaker A:Know, maintain your peace.
Speaker A:Skip ahead.
Speaker A:Skip ahead.
Speaker A:Probably several minutes, but yeah, if you.
Speaker B:Were here on the events of March 30th Sunday, you'll know.
Speaker A:Hey, what the.
Speaker B:Yeah, what the.
Speaker C:Hey, Tim.
Speaker A:Hey.
Speaker C:Hey, Tim.
Speaker A:Hey.
Speaker C:Hey, Tim.
Speaker B:Come, come.
Speaker A:Come here.
Speaker C:What the.
Speaker C:What do you mean, what the.
Speaker B:Man?
Speaker A:Hey, we were supposed to record this yesterday.
Speaker B:You up our recording schedule, Tim.
Speaker A:Instead, we watched a live stream of a very creepy man for three hours.
Speaker B:I deserve to be compensated for that.
Speaker A:We do, actually.
Speaker C:That was icky.
Speaker A:It was really gross.
Speaker C:We chose to enter that on our own volition, but also because we're the.
Speaker A:Little dalmatians supposed to do.
Speaker B:We were supposed to know we were in denial.
Speaker B:And we.
Speaker B:And we really.
Speaker B:We really wanted proof.
Speaker B:Yeah, we need to proof.
Speaker B:And we really went through to find stages of grief and still are in denial.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Circled all the way back around collectively.
Speaker C:So, like, what does it mean?
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I have.
Speaker C:I have three questions for you, Bobby.
Speaker C:I put hot shots on here.
Speaker C:Hot shots.
Speaker C:And the third one is Coma Dream, please.
Speaker A:Fourth one.
Speaker A:What the fuck are all of the random trucks doing there from all the other places?
Speaker C:Yeah, I still don't understand that.
Speaker A:Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker A:We'll talk about this a little more in our forecast because we have.
Speaker A:Have theories that are going to be wildly not accurate.
Speaker C:But also I just want to say I could have gone my entire life, my entire life and my entire existence in entrenched in the 911 fandom and watching 911 with.
Speaker C:Without knowing what a casket from Station 118 looks like.
Speaker C:Thank you so much for putting that image into my head.
Speaker C:I have to live with that now.
Speaker C:I'm not happy about it.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker C:I'm so excited for this episode.
Speaker C:I can't wait.
Speaker B:And also, thank you for the jump scares of Gerard and Tommy again.
Speaker A:God, I was.
Speaker A:I was trying to scroll back in our conversation so I could read some of our highlights.
Speaker C:We were crashing out yesterday.
Speaker A:It was bad.
Speaker A:It was really bad before we hopped on.
Speaker A:I mean, it was bad once we got on Voice two, but I think we had, like, convinced ourselves that it was fake by that point.
Speaker C:Yeah, we're really good at that.
Speaker A:Rachel said.
Speaker A:Angela just said she doesn't see how Athena and Bobby don't end up together in that People article.
Speaker A:But now I'm like, was she trying to throw us off?
Speaker A:That's mom and dad.
Speaker A:And I said, maybe they both die.
Speaker A:Lol.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And Sil with the steel chair bludgeoning me in the head.
Speaker A:Wait, is this why they made Bobby reconcile with his mom before he dies?
Speaker A:And I said, sil, I beg you.
Speaker A:And then you just did ellipses, sad face and not even a sad emoji.
Speaker A:You did the millennial fucking, like, colon.
Speaker C:You did the this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:The emoticon sad face still was.
Speaker A:Asking for a voice of reason.
Speaker A:There was no voice of reason in the house.
Speaker A:The supernatural PTSD was alive and well in us.
Speaker A:Still goes Buck Mark, safe hen Mark safe Chimney Mark Safe.
Speaker A:Where's Bobby and Eddie?
Speaker A:Ravi, Mark, Safe.
Speaker A:And then I said, got it.
Speaker A:Eddie and Bobby are both dead.
Speaker A:Shoved at the same gas.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:And you said.
Speaker C:Tim said, here's the amnesia you ordered.
Speaker C:It's for Bobby.
Speaker C:That's what you wanted, right?
Speaker C:And I said, buddy.
Speaker C:We said, buddy.
Speaker C:Amnesia.
Speaker C:Tim.
Speaker B:Different group chat because Han's phone was dead.
Speaker B:I go, guys, we are so cooked.
Speaker B:Unless it's a nightmare.
Speaker B:And then Rachel goes.
Speaker B:And, like, I am struggling to find motivation to record.
Speaker B:I hate it.
Speaker B:I hate all of this so much.
Speaker C:Keysmash.
Speaker B:Keysmash.
Speaker B:And then Rachel's like, we can buddy Max and forget the BTS and be happy for a few hours.
Speaker B:And then Han's like, can we.
Speaker B:We have to talk.
Speaker A:We have to talk about Bobby.
Speaker A:It's like, you forgot that Bobby was in this episode.
Speaker B:Rachel's like, oh, fuck, I did forget.
Speaker C:I'm like, oh, no.
Speaker B:And then Han's like, I'm really angry right now.
Speaker B:May and Harry are back, too.
Speaker B:Question mark.
Speaker B:And then I go, why did Oliver say that he's excited for 16?
Speaker B:Because this is evil.
Speaker B:And then hands.
Speaker B:Like, that's the only thing keeping me minorly sane.
Speaker B:And I'm like, if this is.
Speaker B:If this is even 16.
Speaker B:And then hand goes, because what if it's a presumed dead.
Speaker B:Presumed dead eats down bad every time.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I want to say it's presumed dead.
Speaker B:Like, my body is crashing out really bad.
Speaker B:Because at this point, what I was experiencing was literal tremors and anxiety.
Speaker B:I was about to take Xanax prescribed.
Speaker A:I was angry, crying, y'all.
Speaker C:I was keeping it together until we got, like, the turn.
Speaker A:The turnout.
Speaker C:No, like, I feel physically sick.
Speaker C:Rachel, how do you want me to record what should be our gayest, rowdiest episode in these conditions?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:And then more people showed up on set that we saw.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Is.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then we were like.
Speaker C:All I can think of is they wouldn't let a big death like this be spoiled by onlooker.
Speaker C:Onlookers.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Like that.
Speaker C:Close down that set.
Speaker B:Like, 91 1.
Speaker B:What are we doing?
Speaker A:They'd be doing it on a private lot.
Speaker A:And I still believe that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then we were like, do we crash out tonight and record tomorrow?
Speaker C:Because this.
Speaker C:We were like, yeah, let's just get on voice and crash out together.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:What flicked you into the.
Speaker A:No, we're not recording tonight.
Speaker A:So was it the turnouts?
Speaker B:No, no, it wasn't the turnout.
Speaker B:It was the Said, Angela.
Speaker B:It was it was when I saw Angela in the kids lineup.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Holding the hat.
Speaker B:And holding the hat.
Speaker B:And I was like, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So this was.
Speaker C:I was like, this was like.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:So this turnaround was like, okay, at 6:18, still SIL said, actually, can we record today?
Speaker C:Can we do it?
Speaker C:And then 17 minutes later, at 6:35, still says, actually, never mind.
Speaker C:Let's not record.
Speaker A:It was not a good time.
Speaker A:It was not a good time, fam.
Speaker B:I was mourning.
Speaker B:I was in morning.
Speaker B:I was literally, like, I think tearing up, shaking, crying.
Speaker B:Literally ready to start popping pills.
Speaker C:I think you were feeling the same kind of shock like I felt during Voices.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:With the thinking Maddie was dead.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because, like, I was shaking and, like, not.
Speaker C:Not doing good.
Speaker B:I was getting a headache.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:That's what happens when I get, like, really, like, anxious and, like, so much anxiety and.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I just get this headache and I'm like, oh, no.
Speaker B:But I was.
Speaker B:I was literally ready to actually take some medication for that because.
Speaker B:Because we had to record.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I saw that picture.
Speaker A:I mean, the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The reasons why we don't think this is real is because first and foremost, if you're going to do your first major character death on a show eight seasons in, and it's your main character, Bobby's the guy, your main character, you're not doing it like this.
Speaker A:You're not doing it in a way in which everyone finds out beforehand you.
Speaker A:Yeah, because I didn't look today, but, like, there's no way that some, like, magazines and shit didn't pick this up.
Speaker A:This was everywhere.
Speaker C:Or at least our corner of everywhere.
Speaker A:A random fucking live streaming, the entire thing.
Speaker A:Just don't fear they would do it this way because, like, listen, they could have filmed a lot of it, but, like, having the Nash, you know, the Grant Nash family up front, and then the fucking turnouts, like, they should have done that on a closed set.
Speaker A:There's no way that you don't keep this under wraps, and there's no way that you don't do this in the, like, se.
Speaker A:Like, season finale.
Speaker A:And there's no way that this was for the finale.
Speaker A:This was for 16 or 17, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that just makes no sense.
Speaker A:It narratively doesn't really make any sense.
Speaker A:Like, there's arguments to be made of, like, foreshadowings, but, like, 911 does not, like, have people resolve drama just to then punish them like they did Teen Winchester.
Speaker C:We're not doing that.
Speaker A:That's not what we do here.
Speaker A:So I just don't think it would make sense.
Speaker A:Like, it would just be, like, literally a traged Bobby's character for every.
Speaker A:For all of the characters, but mostly for Bobby's character the most.
Speaker A:So I just don't think it makes sense.
Speaker A:And, like, the one thing that, like, I know everyone in the fandom has different opinions on, like, what they like and don't like about, like, certain directions that the show has gone, but one thing that I don't accuse the show of having is bad writing or bad storytelling.
Speaker A:And I just don't think that this would be good storytelling.
Speaker A:I just, like, it would change the show irrevocably.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And I don't think in a good way.
Speaker A:I don't think in a.
Speaker A:Like, fresh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We got rid of that dead weight.
Speaker A:Like, it's still.
Speaker A:He is the character.
Speaker A:He is.
Speaker A:He is what brings them all together.
Speaker A:It just doesn't make sense for them to get rid of him.
Speaker A:If they wanted.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:If, like, Peter Krauso wanted to take a step back, they could have him retire.
Speaker A:They could have.
Speaker A:They could promote him to fire chief.
Speaker A:Like, they could do a bunch of things with his character to have him be there way less or, like, rarely without killing him.
Speaker C:And I just feel satisfying.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And the show doesn't do, like, shock value in a way that is, like, Maddie, like, realistically would have died.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, that was shock value, but they just lived.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So it just doesn't.
Speaker A:It doesn't make sense that they would do it now.
Speaker A:I do have trust issues because of Supernatural.
Speaker C:Thanks so much, Supernatural.
Speaker B:So I will keep.
Speaker A:I will keep that little, like, beat of doubt in my head until I see it.
Speaker A:But, like, I'm just, like, 99.9% sure that this is not happening.
Speaker A:And I also just have to, like, pretend it's not happening for my own sanity because I can't crash out for two months.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Anyway, hopefully that was helpful to some of you.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:And if it wasn't, there is.
Speaker B:Well, there is some behind the scenes of, like, okay, they.
Speaker B:No one was sad.
Speaker B:Like, basically, no one was sad.
Speaker B:And there's a group photo where, honestly, even Aunt Angela's just.
Speaker B:Honestly.
Speaker C:Yeah, they're being silly.
Speaker A:Goofy.
Speaker B:They're being so silly.
Speaker C:Was hilarious and so sweet.
Speaker C:But also.
Speaker C:Yeah, you would think, like, if this is something, like, actually super serious, you would think that they would a kind of, like, stay a little more in character to keep the.
Speaker C:To keep the vibes of what they're trying to Go for.
Speaker C:But everyone was.
Speaker C:And, and I mean like, not to say that these are all method actors or anything like that, but the, the like dichotomy of, of, you know, they're just chilling.
Speaker C:You would, you would think it would be a little more somber.
Speaker B:And I'm really glad there was like a vibe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I'm really glad like there's.
Speaker B:There were people who were picking up on the whole like book wasn't.
Speaker B:Because like Han was like, book's not crashing out enough.
Speaker B:And other people started to pick up on that.
Speaker B:And I'm like, okay, yeah, there we go.
Speaker B:You see, it's.
Speaker B:It's not real because he's not crashing out as much as he probably should.
Speaker B:And honestly the.
Speaker B:There's that whole thing about like Buck maybe playing a different role in that type of, that kind of funeral anyway, like even ringing the bell, you know.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yes, there's.
Speaker B:This is so fake.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:It's really.
Speaker C:And, and the fact too that like they switched the turnouts on the back of the truck because like if they were going to do a fake out sort of thing and actually have Bobby dead, you would think that they would put the, the not Nash turnout on there and then like super superimpose that in post and put Nash on there in post to kind of like shroud that secret a little more.
Speaker C:And they didn't do that.
Speaker C:They did the opposite.
Speaker C:They put Nash on there first and then they switched it out with, with a different one.
Speaker C:And it's just like, okay, what's going on here?
Speaker C:You know, it's just like so much of this is leading us to believe that it's not exactly what it appears to be.
Speaker C:Some of that, yes, is denial for mental health reasons.
Speaker C:Other parts of that are legitimately like the narrative doesn't really lead us there.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker C:So I guess very briefly.
Speaker C:Too long.
Speaker C:Don't read.
Speaker C:What we kind of are leaning towards in this kind of scenario is some sort of Eddie NDE and hand.
Speaker C:This was more your theory with, with like the superimposing.
Speaker A:So like, so like I made a video about this.
Speaker A:It's on all of our socials.
Speaker A:I think it's like two minutes long.
Speaker A:But basically, because we had, we.
Speaker A:We all were basically theorizing that this was somehow an Eddie NDE and that he was having a coma dream or like, like the drugs or whatever from 15, whatever bioweapon is happening or making him hallucinate, whatever.
Speaker A:I think that the same thing could be happening whether he's out of his mind.
Speaker A:Because of that, or if he's literally out of his mind because he's in a coma or he's sort of unconscious.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He'd be in the hospital and something would be playing in the background, like Hotshots.
Speaker B:Oh, you mean Christopher's favorite show.
Speaker A:Christopher's favorite show, yes.
Speaker A:And it would be on.
Speaker A:And because you can hear stuff while you're unconscious.
Speaker A:And we see that, like in Buck's coma dream, same thing would be happening to him, except he's hearing Hotshots and he's translating that into what would be realistic for him based on where he is.
Speaker A:And it would kind of be the way he would realize that it is like a hallucination, a coma dream, whatever, is.
Speaker A:Because we're getting these flashes of not.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So how we saw the two different turnout codes being put up, how it was Nash and then it was Caruso, how there's the scene with Chim yelling at Gerard, and we see Sanchez, which we've never had before, on the 118, and Sanchez is Eddie's, like, stand in on counterpart on Hotshots.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it would be.
Speaker A:I think it would very much be like a scenario of him kind of picturing what would happen if he didn't come back.
Speaker A:If, like, what would be happening?
Speaker A:Whatever did bring him back there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so what would be happening if he didn't or if he didn't survive?
Speaker C:Or, like, almost like a It's a Wonderful Life or Sliding Doors kind of theory.
Speaker C:Which kind of brings us back to, like, people, including us, were theorizing about Sliding Doors sort of situation at the very beginning of season eight.
Speaker C:So it would be interesting if they kind of like, drop that in here.
Speaker A:And the reason I think it's actually so plausible is because it's the kind of insane shit that Tim, my niece, would do, I think.
Speaker A:And it would make a lot of sense to actually utilize Hotshots in a way that.
Speaker A:That is more direct than what we got.
Speaker A:Because I think what we got was, like, funny and fun, but it wasn't.
Speaker C:There was a lot of potential that we didn't quite get a chance to get to.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So there were parallels being made, but they weren't explored.
Speaker A:So I think this would be a way to actually do that in a way that it would be a really well utilized plot device.
Speaker A:And we know they do that well here, no matter, like, what form they come in.
Speaker A:So I think that would be really smart.
Speaker A:Oh, also, we saw Oliver was being super sus.
Speaker C:Yeah, that was weird, right?
Speaker A:And that's why that had the idea to begin with was because of that.
Speaker A:I was like, why is it so like 2am or some.
Speaker A:It was like midnight.
Speaker A:It was like, late.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he had a full day of filming, went home and was like.
Speaker C:And puts two, like, promotional still images of.
Speaker B:Of Brad.
Speaker C:Of Brad.
Speaker A:Brad.
Speaker A:One is Bobby and Brad hugging.
Speaker A:Deleted it immediately.
Speaker A:Less than a minute.
Speaker A:And then did.
Speaker C:And then did another one.
Speaker A:Did another one that was just Brad and deleted it again.
Speaker C:So it's like, the first one, I kind of thought, like, he was feeling like Brad, like, wanting to hug Bobby sort of thing.
Speaker C:But then the second one, I was like, that's suspicious.
Speaker A:That's suspicious.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's when the brain.
Speaker A:The brain blast happened, I think, because we were talking to some of our other 911 podcast friends and we were like, how could they utilize Hotshots in a way that would make sense?
Speaker A:And then I was like, oh.
Speaker A:And I had this brain blast on Voice with Rachel and Sil, and they were like, go record that immediately.
Speaker A:So I did.
Speaker A:It's more succinctly put on socials, a few women to go watch it there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then you had like, a.
Speaker B:Like a Wizard of Oz reference in our text earlier today.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Which has been sprinkled throughout the season.
Speaker A:And as early as.
Speaker A:As early as recently as the most recent episode, episode 12.
Speaker A:Because Rob Benedict's character was Mr.
Speaker A:Osmond.
Speaker C:Welcome back, Supernatural.
Speaker A:And I remember going, Mr.
Speaker A:Osmond, because, like, we keep seeing these wizard of Oz, which we are always, like.
Speaker A:Our thinking has always been like, friend of Dorothy Andy Queercoding.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Nods.
Speaker C:Yeah, but there's also more than that, too.
Speaker A:There is more than that for sure.
Speaker A:But there is the, like, no place like home.
Speaker A:It's the coma dream.
Speaker A:And I've been saying we have been alluding to Eddie nde and I've been, like, half joking about Eddie Coma.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Seriously.
Speaker C:Because, like, all of wizard of Oz happens because it's a dream.
Speaker A:Yes, because it's a dream.
Speaker A:So you could wake up and be like, and you were there, and you were there and you were there.
Speaker A:And I just think it's that.
Speaker A:It's that Eddie.
Speaker A:Eddie is the only person who doesn't know or, like, hasn't at least seen and met Bobby's mom and brother who we just saw.
Speaker A:Like, we just.
Speaker A:We just saw them and met them.
Speaker C:They just got reintroduced.
Speaker C:Like, reintroduced.
Speaker A:There's no reason they wouldn't be at his funeral.
Speaker C:Why wouldn't they be there?
Speaker A:It makes no sense.
Speaker A:Why wouldn't Buck be up with everyone else of the family?
Speaker C:Yeah, still mentioned that, too.
Speaker A:Why are Gerard and Tommy there?
Speaker A:That makes no.
Speaker A:Literally no sense.
Speaker A:It makes no sense that they're walking with the 118.
Speaker A:And it makes no sense that Eddie is walking with the 118 because he's not working with them still.
Speaker A:He's in a suit.
Speaker A:Yeah, none of it makes sense.
Speaker C:Yeah, none of it adds up.
Speaker C:The math ain't.
Speaker B:The only excuse for Eddie that you can give him is like, well, they saw him because he.
Speaker C:Because, like.
Speaker B:Like the.
Speaker B:The whole thing about, like, maybe he came.
Speaker B:He came back to LA because of this crazy event and, like, me being like, he stole the fire truck or.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker B:Or, yeah, the.
Speaker B:This random fire station in nowhere of Texas, decided to come help Los Angeles with whatever bio terrorism thing happened, and then Bobby dies or whatever.
Speaker B:And then they're like, oh, you know, you should totally walk with us, even though you don't have your.
Speaker B:But I think.
Speaker A:But they would give him dress blues.
Speaker A:They would give him dress blues.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:Okay, whatever.
Speaker A:Gerard takes back over.
Speaker A:If you can even explain that away, which I don't.
Speaker A:Why would they put him back in charge of the 118?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a coma dream.
Speaker A:He's working where he wants to work.
Speaker A:There's no way.
Speaker C:At Hotshots.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:At Hotshots.
Speaker A:Why is Tommy, who doesn't work at the 118, walking with the 118?
Speaker C:He's a dirt fire station.
Speaker B:And it's funny because I also thought it was like, what if they're doing some weird, like.
Speaker B:Like, production, like, you know, in the show.
Speaker B:Production, Hot shots, fake death.
Speaker C:Like, I don't know, like.
Speaker C:Like a bones or.
Speaker A:You did mention that you were like, what if Brad's the director.
Speaker C:Yeah, I did do that.
Speaker C:I, like, very early on in our state of absolute denial and dulu.
Speaker C:I was like, guys, I figured it out.
Speaker C:It's all like.
Speaker A:You said it was hot shots.
Speaker A:And we went, huh?
Speaker C:Yeah, I was like.
Speaker B:And then I was like, what if Brad's the director?
Speaker A:But yeah, still, today was like, what if Brad's the director?
Speaker A:Or was it last night?
Speaker A:I don't remember.
Speaker A:It's all been.
Speaker B:It's been a day.
Speaker B:It's been a day.
Speaker A:It's all been a day.
Speaker A:Also a month.
Speaker A:But yeah, no, and then I had the hot shots brain blast, and now I'm, like, married to the idea because it just makes a lot of sense.
Speaker A:It makes a lot of sense.
Speaker A:And it would be such a cool episode to do like right after the big two part.
Speaker B:You know what, Oliver, you're so right.
Speaker B:16 will be a good episode.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't think he's usually right.
Speaker A:Listen, the first time he said it, they broke.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the second time it was book Tommy Bones again.
Speaker B:Someone was like, every single time Oliver says that it's his favorite episode or he's excited for us to see something, it's been a buddy, nuclear bomb.
Speaker B:So you know what?
Speaker B:In Oliver I do trust, even though he's scary.
Speaker C:And they're.
Speaker C:And they're all like five episodes apart too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because we have 6, 11, 16.
Speaker B:And I guess.
Speaker B:And I guess that's where like hold up, you know, Because Oliver said, okay, now we're going back to the personal stuff after this.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:But this is the thing is if it is an Eddie and this is how we would do it.
Speaker A:This is how.
Speaker A:Because I don't think we're getting there with Eddie in this next episode.
Speaker A:We are not getting to gay realization.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:At all.
Speaker A:We're not even going to be close.
Speaker A:This is how you would do it.
Speaker A:This is how you could do it.
Speaker A:Because it's buried so deep.
Speaker A:He would need something like this.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:It's that like, same kind of therapy that Buck had after the lightning strike.
Speaker B:Oh, and this is why Tommy is there.
Speaker B:Because Tommy replaced Eddie.
Speaker B:And you know what?
Speaker B:Eddie doesn't like being replaced in Buck's life.
Speaker B:We saw him get mad over a fucking dog.
Speaker B:Doesn't matter if they're broken up.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He replaced them because, like he doesn't have a place in there anymore.
Speaker B:That's why he's still wearing.
Speaker B:He's just wearing a suit.
Speaker B:He's not wearing a uniform.
Speaker C:He's the odd man out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So here's, here's kind of where I'm going to.
Speaker A:This is really just postulating, but I like the idea of him trying to come and help or visit, but gets in an accident on the way there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Then we get the whole tree.
Speaker A:The whole tree thing.
Speaker A:And we like the energy drinks and all of that.
Speaker A:Which is foreshadowing.
Speaker A:We've been foreshadowing Eddie having a near death experience this whole season.
Speaker A:Let's be so for real.
Speaker A:But there's just more and more evidence stacking up so he would be on his way.
Speaker A:I don't think Christopher's with him.
Speaker B:I don't think so either.
Speaker C:I think so.
Speaker A:I don't think Christopher's with him.
Speaker A:I think Christopher's NDE is the finale.
Speaker B:It could Be that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, they've.
Speaker C:They've done these one, two punches this season.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Yeah, like Hen and Karen with Mara and Denny, like, episode back to back.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's precedent for it.
Speaker C:Precedent.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I think the coma.
Speaker A:The coma thing would be 16, then it would be everything's better 17.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Oh, Christopher almost dies.
Speaker A:Christopher's home.
Speaker A:Christopher almost dies.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, I'm in love with Buck.
Speaker A:Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself.
Speaker A:Anyway, he's driving there to either help or because he's trying to surprise Buck to visit.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He's trying to help with the emergency that's happening.
Speaker A:Or he hears that, like, Bobby or someone is hurt and he's like, Buck needs me.
Speaker A:Or the team needs me, whatever.
Speaker C:So he's on his way there.
Speaker A:He's drinking his energy drinks.
Speaker A:Yeah, he.
Speaker A:He crashes.
Speaker A:And he crashes.
Speaker A:Like in la, though, so that you can be in an LA hospital for the plot.
Speaker C:And like, Ryan has also said in a couple of the interviews after 12 that, you know, Eddie.
Speaker C:It would take a big event to get Eddie back to LA at the moment.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:So I think that this dream would start aimless.
Speaker A:It would be like him.
Speaker A:It would start with him being like, wait, did I.
Speaker A:Did I not get here in time to help?
Speaker A:Did I not get here in time to be there?
Speaker A:Like, is Bobby already gone?
Speaker A:Did I not?
Speaker A:Right, so it'd be like, oh, I failed.
Speaker A:Cause that's a big.
Speaker A:That's a big theme for him this season.
Speaker A:So it'd be I failed.
Speaker A:And then it would be the repercussions of him failing.
Speaker A:Not only is Bobby dead, but it's.
Speaker A:Everyone looks so despondent.
Speaker A:No one is upset the way they should be.
Speaker A:So everything's just gonna be a little bit wrong.
Speaker A:And like, Buck and him are gonna be not Buck and Eddie and Tommy and him would be back together.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Only reason Tommy be walking up with the 118.
Speaker A:He replaced him at the 118.
Speaker A:Like, it just all would make so much sense.
Speaker C:And he would be tweaking together.
Speaker C:He'd be tweaking, literally replace, like.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:But if in Eddie's like, little coma dream that Buck and Tommy are back together, then that also indicates, like.
Speaker C:Well, not only does in Eddie's mind, which is where we really have to, like, crack open.
Speaker C:Not literally.
Speaker C:Literally, but not only would Tommy replace Eddie in the.
Speaker C:In the 118.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:But go back to.
Speaker C:They would be together again, which indicates that Eddie feels romantically about Buck as well.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:We're cooking, guys.
Speaker B:And I hate that we're not right.
Speaker B:We're probably not.
Speaker B:Not all, like, 100% right.
Speaker A:Some of this has to be right.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker A:Some of it has to be right.
Speaker C:I'm willing to bet higher up.
Speaker A:I don't know what happens in 14 and 15, but I feel.
Speaker A:I feel pretty sure that some of.
Speaker C:This is happening in some.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And they're kind of notorious for, like, giving us something that we want in a way that we don't expect.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, triggered just, like supernatural.
Speaker C:But this is usually in a more satisfying way with 91 1.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:I really do think that, like, it's something if.
Speaker C:If we're.
Speaker C:There are probably elements that we're pretty close on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Because otherwise, it just does not make sense narratively.
Speaker C:And we.
Speaker C:We ride so hard for the narrative and, like, the narrative telling us everything we need to know.
Speaker C:So, like, if we don't see it from the narrative, you know, what can we do with that?
Speaker A:And, I mean, we're not prophets, but even a clock is right twice a.
Speaker C:Day, so chances are slim but never zero.
Speaker B:But anyway.
Speaker B:But here's one thing that's not happening.
Speaker B:Bobby's not dying.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Absolutely not believe that.
Speaker A:Bobby's not dying and Buck and Tommy are not getting back together.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, ever.
Speaker C:The two things we know for certain.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker C:Two things in life that are certain.
Speaker C:It's not death and taxes.
Speaker C:It's Bobby's alive and Buck and Tom.
Speaker A:Do not get back together.
Speaker A:Bones, Bones, Bones, Bones, Bones, Bones.
Speaker A:Also, I don't think I really have any what ifs that aren't that so.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's kind of taking up all of our brain space.
Speaker B:So not sure what's happening to hen.
Speaker B:Except she feels invisible.
Speaker B:Maddie is gonna have her baby, Bobby.
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker B:This house is going to be done, Bobby.
Speaker B:I don't know what's happening to Bob.
Speaker C:And they're going to be able to live in it together.
Speaker B:Together.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Oh, I told you.
Speaker C:I told you I could get my glare out.
Speaker A:And, like, I really do think we are.
Speaker A:I think we are slash.
Speaker A:I'm also gaslighting myself because I just think it would be so delicious to give us that Chris NDE in the finale and have Buck be directly involved in saving him.
Speaker A:But this time, Eddie sees it.
Speaker A:And that is the key that unlocks that.
Speaker A:The Buck feelings realization.
Speaker B:I need it.
Speaker A:And that's the emotional cliffhanger.
Speaker A:I still am riding hard for that.
Speaker A:And I will be.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Either that or I'm willing to, for some reason, put the Chris and DE at the beginning of season nine, and then it parallels the sooner tsunami.
Speaker C:I don't want it there.
Speaker C:But, like, that would be cool.
Speaker A:That would be cool.
Speaker A:Actually, no, because we want a buddy.
Speaker A:We want a buddy opening emergency.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the.
Speaker B:Fine.
Speaker B:Fine.
Speaker C:And then the rest of.
Speaker C:And then the rest of 9A.
Speaker C:Here's your options.
Speaker C:Chris Nde.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Or Chris Nde at the beginning of 9.
Speaker C:Because then the rest of, like, 9A would be Eddie, like, really opening up that.
Speaker C:That kind of realization.
Speaker A:I think it should be Chris NDE end of the season feelings realization.
Speaker A:So they both have their feelings realizations.
Speaker A:God, I hope Buck consciously has his.
Speaker A:I actually don't have full hope for him anymore.
Speaker C:I know we were like, it's imminent.
Speaker A:But, like, if Eddie has the nde, he has to, right?
Speaker A:He has to.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So even if he doesn't find out that Eddie is gay, I think that'll get him there.
Speaker A:Would you Got to be one or the other.
Speaker B:I said he's gonna realize, and he's gonna be like, okay.
Speaker B:Actually, maybe I am in love with Eddie because, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, because it's like, right?
Speaker B:It's like, why do I feel like.
Speaker B:Like I'm being stabbed in the stomach seeing him, like, in a hospital bed again.
Speaker A:Again?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But yeah, I still want a buddy opening emergency.
Speaker A:Chris can be safe, though.
Speaker A:Chris Marks safe.
Speaker A:Here's my.
Speaker A:Chris is gonna have this nde and then we're done.
Speaker A:Then we're leaving him alone for another five seasons.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:And then he's safe, and all of the rest of the kids are safe.
Speaker C:Safe for all of season nine.
Speaker C:Thank you very much.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:Buddy.
Speaker A:Buddy open emergency.
Speaker A:Buddy opening emergency.
Speaker A:Buddy opening emergency.
Speaker A:Give me.
Speaker A:Give me the Bethena buddy parallels in an opening emergency.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, that would eat.
Speaker C:Especially if it's a water emergency.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:It could even be a buddy and Bethena opening emergency.
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker A:It could be them somewhere together.
Speaker C:The ratings would be awesome.
Speaker A:The power of Angela and Peter with buddy matched.
Speaker A:Cash the check right now.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker B:I'm so glad that we're gonna get Oliver and Athena together, because I feel like we don't get.
Speaker A:We don't get enough of it.
Speaker B:We don't get.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We don't get much of it.
Speaker C:They're such, like, a power duo, too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They were the duo from the beginning, especially.
Speaker C:And I'm so here for.
Speaker C:For that kind of pairing up, because it's always.
Speaker C:Buck and Athena are paralleled.
Speaker C:And I know we talk about like, Bobby and Buck have similarities too, but like, when we're talking about parallels, it's Athena and Buck and Bobby and Eddie.
Speaker C:And so to have those kind of that lineup up.
Speaker B:Yes, Yep.
Speaker C:Yes, please.
Speaker C:And also, just tell us where we can send the bill for our therapy.
Speaker C:Do you want us to address it to the Fox lot or just let.
Speaker A:Us know on abc?
Speaker B:Just Disney could use therapy on the mouse.
Speaker A:Courtesy.
Speaker A:Courtesy of the miners.
Speaker B:We're gonna get therapy.
Speaker B:Hey, you know what?
Speaker B:Please give me comp passes to Disney World and Disneyland.
Speaker A:Actually, we'll take it.
Speaker B:We'll take that.
Speaker A:We'll take it for 20, 26.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker C:Remember, don't move into your straight best friend's house, but if you do, take.
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