LOML (2x17: Careful What You Wish For)
We’re sorry, Shannon can’t come to the phone right now. Why? Oh, cus’ she’s dead!
This week, hosts Han, Cil, and Rachel bid farewell to Shannon Diaz and say hello to Eddie’s rose-colored glasses. “I guess she was the love of your life.” “I guess she was?” Oh, we’re so sure.
Get in losers, we’re discussing Season 2 Episode 17 of 9-1-1, “Careful What You Wish For” and unpacking the tangled web of relationships, expectations, and the harsh realities of life that hit harder than a runaway vehicle at a crosswalk.
This episode explores how characters cope with tragedy while navigating their own emotional inner worlds, showing us that amidst life’s unpredictability, friendship and support are what truly matters and sometimes, it’s okay to not have all the answers.
We dive deep into Eddie’s avoidance of what he truly wants, instead he’s focusing on his perceived responsibilities to Christopher and Shannon. We’re not sure Eddie has ever actually asked himself what he wants or prioritized himself.
Meanwhile, Maddie is grappling with the unfinished aspects of her job at dispatch and missing being able to see that she’s making a difference. Things come full circle when Josh and Sue organize the sweetest (and possibly illegal) intervention, helping her to see her job from a new perspective.
For our scene dissection we look at the 118’s visit to Bobby for Therapy Hour to gripe and groan about Chim’s leadership and deal with the temporary loss of Bobby in their professional lives.
We pit Buddie against Bobby & Athena, Maddie & Chimney, and Eddie & Shannon to play the “is this platonic or romantic” comparison game. Spoiler alert, Buck and Eddie are NOT normal about each other.
Buck-le up, and look both ways before you cross, as we drive into the emotional wreckage that Eddie is still reeling from 6 years later—she’s the loss of his life.
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Chapters:
(00:00:00) Intro - Welcome to Dispatch
(00:03:37) General Thoughts (No thoughts, Head Empty?)
(00:08:03) Jaws of Life - Deep Dive
(00:09:14) Needle Drop
(00:14:16) 9-1-1 Writes Sins and Tragedies
(00:25:23) Flashover - Episode Themes
(00:31:57) Who’s Cookin’? - Maddie’s Search for Renewed Purpose
(00:46:37) Where’s the Fire - Scene Dissection (Therapy Hour at Bobby’s)
(01:09:27) Chimney Juggling Friendship & Newfound Authority
(01:21:55) Eddie, Bereft and Reeling
(02:12:35) Slow Burn - Bi Buck & Buddie Watch
(02:37:20) Eddie’s Queer Coding
(02:47:01) Take A Buddie With You & Outro
Transcript
Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?
Speaker B:A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.
Speaker C:This is the Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DMed each other enough character dissertations to earn a PhD in media literacy.
Speaker A:I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.
Speaker B:I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.
Speaker C:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
Speaker A:With our powers combined, no stone is.
Speaker C:Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.
Speaker A:We are gathered to remember Shannon Diaz with a eulogy written by Taylor Alison Swift.
Speaker C:Say it once again with feeling how.
Speaker A:The death rattle breathing silence as the.
Speaker C:Soul was leaving the deflation of our.
Speaker A:Dreaming, leaving me bereft and reeling My.
Speaker C:Beloved ghost and me sitting in a tree.
Speaker A:D Y I N G welcome to Dispatch.
Speaker A:What's on call this week?
Speaker B:Today we're discussing.
Speaker C:I'm sorry I couldn't hold it in.
Speaker B:Today we're discussing Season 2, Episode 17 Careful what yout Wish For Written by Matthew Halp Hodgson Hodgson Directed by Bradley.
Speaker A:Bucher.
Speaker C:The Buke is back.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker C:That eulogy was the longest we've ever been serious on this show.
Speaker C:It lasted two seconds.
Speaker A:It did.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Proud of us.
Speaker C:So we have a few calls of the week.
Speaker C:To put it lightly, the first is falling head over heels, where in the midst of a lottery frenzy, a previous lottery winner throws away his cash winnings like confetti as he then throws himself over a building, landing feet first into a car's windshield.
Speaker C:Our next call is Augustus Gloop, eat your heart out, where a teacher and reformed sugar addiction chaperoning a school field trip to a chocolate factory, falls into a vat of molten chocolate in an attempt to get another free sample gone wrong.
Speaker C:The next one is I love you.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:At dispatch, Maddie answers a call from a woman who is distraught and concerned that her brother may have harmed himself and hangs up when she arrives back home, leaving Maddie in the lurch of wondering whether she is actually providing the most help she can.
Speaker C:Moving on to front row for the fireworks show, believing it to be an anniversary present from her husband, a lawyer picks up a package left on her porch just before it explodes.
Speaker C:And our last one, which is the fifth call, and we usually only have four.
Speaker C:So this is.
Speaker C:This is a little extra bonus.
Speaker A:A bonus bonus.
Speaker C:Emergency Love is embarrassing.
Speaker A:Love's embarrassing.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Not proud of it.
Speaker C:So the 118 is called to an accident where a driver has hit pedestrians at a crosswalk, and Shannon, being one of the victims, passes away from her injuries with Eddie by her side.
Speaker B:But is he really.
Speaker C:Whoa.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker C:Okay, so we're finally here.
Speaker C:I feel like we've been leading up to this episode in particular.
Speaker C:Particular for a very long time, at least since, like, episode A long time coming.
Speaker C:Oh, God.
Speaker C:And I mean, it's not even the finale yet, but it's kind of.
Speaker C:It's kind of like part one of the finale because it ties together a lot of themes that we've seen throughout the season.
Speaker C:And then next episode is like, the actual, like, culmination of everything and setting up the next season.
Speaker C:So this kind of ties a lot of stuff together.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I think we really have been leading up to this for a while, especially with Shannon.
Speaker C:And I know we've been talking about it since at least 204 stuck.
Speaker C:That's when we were like, oh, they were planning this the whole time.
Speaker C:They knew.
Speaker B:They knew.
Speaker A:They knew the whole.
Speaker A:I can't keep doing that the whole time.
Speaker C:Nope, we don't have time for that.
Speaker C:Knowing what we know now of all of the things that we know now, and really paying close attention to Eddie and Shannon's storyline throughout this season.
Speaker C:What are your guys?
Speaker C:Takeaways?
Speaker B:Yikes.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's all I have.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker B:Just big yikes.
Speaker A:Major yikes.
Speaker B:I mean, it's just amazing how long she's been haunting the narrative.
Speaker B:Like, they designed it that way, the way to season seven.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, did you say shut up?
Speaker C:No, not.
Speaker B:Not to me.
Speaker B:I mean, like, who said shut up?
Speaker B:One of you did, or.
Speaker C:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Oh, okay, I.
Speaker B:I thought.
Speaker B:I thought you were making, like, a reference to, like, the whole be silent.
Speaker C:Not yet.
Speaker B:Okay, well, yeah, you know, you.
Speaker B:You think Shannon was going to be silent anyway, but she's not.
Speaker B:She's haunting the narrative.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Someone please, because I can't be serious about this.
Speaker C:Dick.
Speaker C:It's a serious episode, so we gotta bring the levity.
Speaker A:It's serious.
Speaker A:We are zany face.
Speaker A:So sorry.
Speaker B:That's my emoji.
Speaker B:That's my emoji.
Speaker C:Yeah, we.
Speaker C:We gotta keep the energy up somehow because, like, a lot of these are big bummers, so.
Speaker A:Major bummer.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean, generally those are my thoughts.
Speaker B:Just yikes.
Speaker A:Big yikes.
Speaker C:Yeah, Ham.
Speaker A:Okay, so this is a fantastic episode.
Speaker A:It's an evil episode.
Speaker C:So evil.
Speaker A:It's the culmination of so.
Speaker A:So much so Much paralleling and foreshadowing and like, it's just crazy work that they were planning this like so meticulously.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:They were crazy.
Speaker A:It is a good ensemble episode.
Speaker A:Even though it's like Eddie's episode.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's heavily.
Speaker A:It's like his biggest episode to date.
Speaker A:Like in the show.
Speaker A:Like in season two.
Speaker A:We're in a rewatch where we are in season two.
Speaker C:He's really taking the like the A plot.
Speaker C:I mean, yes, he did in some of the other ones where I think Haunted was a big one, but this.
Speaker A:Is like the most happening.
Speaker A:This is like a lot a huge, like range of emotions that he has to show.
Speaker A:Ryan Guzman.
Speaker A:And he did it very well.
Speaker C:He does it very well.
Speaker C:Like, there's a lot of stoicism that's like just like so deeply felt.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:His performance I think really got the point across.
Speaker A:But yeah, good episode.
Speaker A:Sad.
Speaker A:Not as depressing as Bobby begins again.
Speaker A:So I guess like, maybe they like threw us the softball after that.
Speaker A:They were like trying to prepare us for this.
Speaker C:I don't know what other.
Speaker A:I think Bobby begins again is way sadder than this.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I think they're pretty equal, but I'm.
Speaker C:I'm maybe a little more like Shannon empathetic than.
Speaker A:It's not even the Shannon empathetic.
Speaker A:It's the dead kids.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, that's always gonna take the.
Speaker C:But yeah, just like 1, 2, 3, punch with Bobby begins again.
Speaker C:Careful what you wish for.
Speaker C:And this life we chose.
Speaker A:Or choose just some good light hearted fun, you know?
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:What a way to finish off sophomore season.
Speaker C:So with that, shall we.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Shall we dive into.
Speaker A:Jump into the jaws.
Speaker C:Oh, I was gonna say dive into our vat of molten chocolate.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Pulls you down.
Speaker C:And you know what that's like.
Speaker C:Oh, well.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:I'm about to put you on timeout already.
Speaker A:It's been like five minutes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyway, you can't.
Speaker C:You can't give me vat of molten chocolate drags you down and not have me do a well reference.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker B:Fine, fine.
Speaker B:Dirt.
Speaker C:I gotta give people what they want.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:And by people, I mean me.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:We're gonna need the jaws of life over here.
Speaker A:So there are no press articles from this week in the history.
Speaker A:There's a lot for the finale.
Speaker C:I couldn't find any.
Speaker C:So I think.
Speaker C:I think the majority of it is because this was the penultimate episode.
Speaker C:Because this was the penultimate episode.
Speaker C:I think they were leaning on the majority of the press to come in the week after.
Speaker C:So we'll cover more of that next time.
Speaker C:So in lieu of that, we have some needle drop.
Speaker A:Yeah, we have some needle drops.
Speaker A:There's three.
Speaker A:The first two are just funny haha ones.
Speaker A:So the very beginning of the episode, we have for the Love of Money by the ojs, which is, you know, the money.
Speaker C:Which they do use again in season eight.
Speaker A:Then we have I Want Candy by Bow Wow.
Speaker A:I would have preferred the Aaron Carter version, but this was still very appropriate.
Speaker C:I always just like mentally replace it with the Aaron Carter version because like.
Speaker A:So what we really need to talk about is this song, this, this no name song that you will not be able to find anywhere except on audiosparks.com because it's a song that was like written for like TV and film for them to like, you know, like commercial use.
Speaker A:Use.
Speaker A:Yes, commercial use.
Speaker A:And it's called we could have.
Speaker A:Featuring Rachel Canute by DC Soul plus mind.
Speaker A:That's all one word.
Speaker A:Soul plus mind.
Speaker A:I'm gonna have to read the entire lyrics.
Speaker A:This is the song that's playing while Eddie and Shannon are at dinner.
Speaker A:Okay, so we're just gonna go through and I'm not gonna elaborate because I don't need to.
Speaker A:It's like it was written for them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I find you in my head sometimes.
Speaker A:Keep everything you said on rewind.
Speaker A:You needed me to tell the truth?
Speaker A:And I needed you to see right through me.
Speaker A:I find it hard to keep my cool Start feeling like you're stupid fool?
Speaker A:I needed you to let me down and you needed me to keep on coming round?
Speaker A:We could have done better?
Speaker A:We could have tried harder?
Speaker A:We could have been stronger?
Speaker A:We could have gone further?
Speaker A:We could have shined brighter?
Speaker A:We could have been so much more.
Speaker A:And then it repeats and adds.
Speaker A:But you walked right out the door.
Speaker C:Oh man.
Speaker A:I find you in my bed at night?
Speaker A:Keep everything you said on my timeline.
Speaker A:There's something in the way I lose Till nothing's really left of me or you.
Speaker C:Oh my gosh.
Speaker A:I find it hard to rearrange?
Speaker A:To get back on my feet and start again?
Speaker A:You never really leave my side?
Speaker A:I find you everywhere I try to.
Speaker C:Hide Literally haunting the narrative.
Speaker A:Uh huh.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Then we could have been stronger?
Speaker A:We could have gone further?
Speaker A:We could have shined brighter?
Speaker A:We could have been so much more again.
Speaker A:But you walked right out the door.
Speaker A:Repeats the I find you in my head sometimes I needed you to see right through me.
Speaker A:And then the ending is I find you in My head Sometimes I find you in my head Keep everything you said on rewind Keep everything you said you needed me to be a friend and I needed you to be there.
Speaker C:Till the end this is one of the craziest things they could have ever done.
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker C:Tell me this isn't written specifically from Eddie's point of view.
Speaker C:Like, with him in my.
Speaker C:This is too.
Speaker C:This is almost too uncannily, like, relevant.
Speaker A:Yeah, because she still hasn't left the narrative and.
Speaker C:And the whole.
Speaker C:The whole struggle of, like, what they could have been and what they needed each other to be.
Speaker C:Like they needed each other to be the partner and.
Speaker C:And to have each other's backs.
Speaker C:And it just, like it never happened.
Speaker C:And kind of both of them walked right out the door.
Speaker C:But Shannon did.
Speaker A:She needed him to tell the truth.
Speaker A:He needed her to see right through.
Speaker C:Him, like, more Stevie Norman, like, because.
Speaker C:Because Eddie really does just need someone to see him too, also.
Speaker C:Because he is also here.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But he doesn't.
Speaker C:He kind of almost doesn't let himself be seen sometimes.
Speaker C:No, because he's.
Speaker A:I mean, he doesn't even fully see himself.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:So this song is wild.
Speaker A:This song is wild.
Speaker A:And the song is played loud enough that you can.
Speaker A:Like, some of the lyrics there.
Speaker A:There are pauses that it ends up in the transcript.
Speaker A:So it's like the lyrics are on the screen and it's like, it's.
Speaker A:We could have done better.
Speaker A:We could have.
Speaker A:It's that part.
Speaker A:We could have tried harder.
Speaker A:We could have been stronger.
Speaker A:That part when she's, like, talking about the letter, I think so I guess.
Speaker C:That makes me wonder why they chose for.
Speaker C:For a show that has such like, iconic needle drops, like, very.
Speaker C:And we talked about this at the very.
Speaker C:Like, in season one, they have very recognizable songs that they use.
Speaker C:They have money because they have the budget for it.
Speaker C:So that.
Speaker C:That leads me to believe that this was a very intentional choice.
Speaker C:Yeah, because they could have this.
Speaker C:I mean, there are songs with this kind of theme all.
Speaker C:All around, but it's just.
Speaker C:It's just so, like, pinpointed that it makes me really curious, like, how they found that or if it was written specifically for this or, you know, if it's been used in any other.
Speaker A:So it was.
Speaker A: It was made in: Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:Eerily similar.
Speaker C:Yep, that is.
Speaker C:That is really interesting because it.
Speaker C:It plays such a featured part in that scene.
Speaker A:So now that we've delivered you the craziest soundtrack song thus far, I think we're going to do something I don't think we have done before.
Speaker A:And this is to honor Shannon because like, what the.
Speaker C:They're so mean to her in this episode.
Speaker A:I mean, this whole.
Speaker A:Since she showed up, we've been.
Speaker A:We've been in every episode being like, here's foreshadowing, here's parallels.
Speaker A:All of these things.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:In every single episode that.
Speaker A:That sometimes she's not even in.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:This episode has so many.
Speaker A:It's egregious.
Speaker A:So we made a list of narrative sins.
Speaker C:Committed against Shannon Diaz.
Speaker A:Uh huh.
Speaker C:Poor girl.
Speaker C:So at the very beginning of the episode.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Even there, where with the.
Speaker C:The lottery frenzy that's happening and all the money is falling down like confetti, like it's New Year's or whatever.
Speaker C:And there's a.
Speaker C:You know, people are all in the streets trying to like, grab the money.
Speaker C:And there's a car that almost runs into people in the streets.
Speaker C:And specifically, I think it's a.
Speaker C:It's a wood panel cruiser.
Speaker C:Is it also a wood panel PT Cruiser?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I put wood panel PT Cruiser because I was like, that's showing the year of the show.
Speaker A:I used to see them everywhere.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker C:Well, they're not made anymore.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:So anyway.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Actually, do not answer that question.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna Google.
Speaker A:You'll know once you see it.
Speaker C:Yeah, they're hideous.
Speaker C:It's like punch buggy PT Cruiser.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So it's like.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker C:Anyways, so right off the top of the episode, we see an, like a car almost run into pedestrians in the street.
Speaker C:Then.
Speaker A:Then we have the man who.
Speaker A:Who had won the lottery a year ago who jumped off the roof.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He landed on the car.
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker C:So he hit the car instead of the car hitting him.
Speaker C:But yeah.
Speaker A:And Eddie and hen are the people who are working on him.
Speaker A:And Eddie says, spine's probably okay.
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker B:Crazy work right there.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker C:What?
Speaker A:And then he's.
Speaker A:They're putting him in, actually.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Eddie's.
Speaker A:Eddie's the one like pushing him, like on the.
Speaker A:On the way to the ambulance and into the ambulance.
Speaker A:And on the way there, he asked.
Speaker C:If there's anyone that.
Speaker C:That they can.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That they should call for him.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And the guy is like, my wife left me.
Speaker A:My kids hate me.
Speaker A:My only friend is suing me.
Speaker C:I can't believe that.
Speaker C:Not what.
Speaker C:Like, not only is that.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's three different beats, right?
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:My wife left me.
Speaker C:By this episode as this episode, my kids Hate me.
Speaker C:Which is way down the line.
Speaker A:End of season seven, and currently.
Speaker C:And my only friend is suing me.
Speaker C:Season three, setting up for season three.
Speaker C:I think they had some idea of where they were going with, because I think.
Speaker C:I think we talked about it in the.
Speaker C:One of the last couple episodes, and.
Speaker C:And we were like, well, that sets up stuff for.
Speaker C:For.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, it was.
Speaker C:It was like last episode with Bobby Begins.
Speaker C:That's crazy.
Speaker C:Like, all three beats like one.
Speaker C:Like three is a pattern, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's an insane.
Speaker A:Well, I'm going to keep saying insane work in this episode, but continue.
Speaker B:Okay, so on the beach.
Speaker B:Guess I'm just waiting for a sign to know which way to step when.
Speaker C:When they're.
Speaker A:Eddie on the beach with Shannon.
Speaker A:He's saying it to Shannon, and I was like, which way to step?
Speaker C:Probably not where the car was off the crosswalk and.
Speaker C:And like, looking for a sign.
Speaker C:Like, literally, like, looking at the stop sign, the go sign, you know, to cross to.
Speaker C:To cross the street, to step forward and just like that kind of thing.
Speaker A:Not that the pedestrians were in the wrong, but.
Speaker A:No, it still was like, okay, yeah.
Speaker A:Then we have Maddie's call with.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, what is the sister's name?
Speaker C:Nicole.
Speaker A:Nicole, who is worried about her brother, who has attempted suicide several times and left her a note.
Speaker A:Left her a note.
Speaker A:A goodbye letter that just says, I love you.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Which is maybe something that you'll hear at the end of the episode out of Shannon's mouth, interestingly enough.
Speaker A:And notes.
Speaker A:Leaving.
Speaker A:Leaving a note.
Speaker B:Hmm.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C:And maybe.
Speaker C:Maybe we'll hear a note in.
Speaker C:In the monologue at the end and at the.
Speaker C:Okay, this one is also egregious because it's multiple, but at the call where the.
Speaker C:The lawyer and.
Speaker C:And her husband were celebrating their anniversary and.
Speaker C:And Portugal.
Speaker C:Boom.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Eddie is putting the gurney into.
Speaker C:Into the ambulance.
Speaker C:She has one shoe missing.
Speaker C:Like, you'll see.
Speaker C:You'll see the shot.
Speaker C:And, like, one of her shoes is just off her.
Speaker C:Blown off her foot.
Speaker C:When we see Shannon on the gurney being loaded into the ambulance, she also has one shoe missing.
Speaker C:And I thought.
Speaker C:And that has to be intentional.
Speaker C:Well, yeah, I.
Speaker C:I don't know how that can be accidental.
Speaker C:But also.
Speaker C:So the husband climbs into the ambulance, and it goes like the.
Speaker C:The sound is all, like, weird and slow mo and distorted.
Speaker C:He's like, I love you as he's in the ambulance with his wife, who is suffering.
Speaker C:And then the ambulance closes and.
Speaker C:And we have the shot of the door closing and in the reflection is who But Eddie's stoic face just, like, looking on to this.
Speaker C:The scene of this husband and wife who are, you know, very much married and celebrating an anniversary.
Speaker C:And it's just like.
Speaker A:Was this after Shannon asked for a divorce or before?
Speaker C:It's before.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker C:Because then they have the FaceTime call, and the FaceTime call is before.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:So he's thinking about his marriage with Shannon.
Speaker C:And not only that.
Speaker C:So it.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The door closes and we see his.
Speaker C:Him in the reflection of that, literally reflecting on his own relationship and circumstances.
Speaker C:And then before we visually cut.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker C:I think it's a J.
Speaker C:Cut.
Speaker C:Right before we visually cut.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:2.
Speaker C:Before we visually cut to the next shot, we hear Shannon's laughter while we're still focused on Eddie in the reflection of the ambulance.
Speaker C:So that's crazy to me.
Speaker C:Almost, like, it's totally foreshadowing.
Speaker B:Well, and then they, like, Also, during that FaceTime call, they say I love you to each other, which is also.
Speaker A:Just the first time you ever hear them say it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Without.
Speaker C:Connected to Christopher.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That's a.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's egregious.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So Gloria says, the people that couldn't be saved.
Speaker B:I always thought there was nothing I could do for them, but there was.
Speaker B:I could have listened.
Speaker B:Just been there for them at the end so they didn't have to be alone.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Which then cuts to a car just drove through a crowd of people at a crosswalk, which leads to.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:I think this is interesting because what does Eddie say to Shannon?
Speaker B:Shannon at the end there to be silent.
Speaker B:Jesus.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So crimes committed right there.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I love you, Eddie.
Speaker B:But criminal.
Speaker B:That's criminal work right there.
Speaker B:Jail.
Speaker A:Imagine you're dying and a man tells you to shut up.
Speaker A:I would summon.
Speaker A:I don't care if my spine's broken.
Speaker A:I'm punching him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I would find, like.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You'd find the adrenaline.
Speaker B:You can reanimate it.
Speaker B:That's the only way.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker B:Did you just say Punch?
Speaker C:Summoning the spirit of the audacity.
Speaker C:Yeah, but.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, really, you know, being for them in.
Speaker C:In.
Speaker C:In the end, so they didn't have to be alone.
Speaker C:And Eddie is there for Shannon, but where Maddie listens and is there for them in comfort, and he tells her to shut up.
Speaker B:Criminals there.
Speaker C:And we might come up with some more while.
Speaker C:While we're chatting, but those were the ones that we, like, notice kind of throughout, like, sprinkled throughout the entire episode.
Speaker C:It's just like.
Speaker C:Oh, and this is like that.
Speaker C:And this is like that.
Speaker C:And it's just, like, insane.
Speaker C:Who wrote this?
Speaker A:Membrane.
Speaker C:Who wrote this?
Speaker A:Someone who's insane in the membrane.
Speaker C:Matthew Hodgson.
Speaker C:Mad respect, but also, like, crazy work.
Speaker C:Are you okay?
Speaker A:Are you okay?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker C:Wait, what else did.
Speaker C:What else did he write?
Speaker C:Let me.
Speaker C:Let me.
Speaker A:I think he's written some bangers.
Speaker C:He has.
Speaker C:And I know this.
Speaker C:Ah.
Speaker C:106.
Speaker C:Heartbreaker, the Valentine's Day episode.
Speaker C:And then it was 208, which was Buck, actually.
Speaker C:Oh, he.
Speaker C:He loves parallels.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Narrative parallels.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:Yeah, so it was.
Speaker C:It was Heartbreaker and Buck, actually.
Speaker C:And here he.
Speaker C:Here he comes out swinging with.
Speaker C:With another banger of narrative parallels.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Oh, I'm gonna have to think about that for Slow Burn.
Speaker A:Ambulance parallels.
Speaker C:And having the significant other die.
Speaker C:And then the one who's living also wants to.
Speaker B:Someone please jog my memory.
Speaker A:What are you guys talking about, actually, is the.
Speaker A:You find it, you make it.
Speaker A:And the same guy who wrote that episode wrote this one.
Speaker A:So now I'm thinking of, like, buddy.
Speaker A:The buddy of that.
Speaker A:All of the parallels, because that's like the.
Speaker A:The ambulance is there sitting in the back of the ambulance, having that.
Speaker A:You find it, you make it chat.
Speaker C:Oh, shoot.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Pin.
Speaker B:And not.
Speaker C:We will get back to that because.
Speaker A:I also have time right now to unpack all that.
Speaker A:We'll unpack that later.
Speaker A:Right now?
Speaker A:Yeah, we're going to flash over.
Speaker A:Okay, so for themes.
Speaker A:I know you never would have guessed it, but the first one is, be careful what you wish for.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker A:No way.
Speaker A:Eddie specifically was looking for a sign to figure out what to do with his relationship that he didn't know if he wanted or not, which should have been a sign in itself, but instead he read the signs wrong.
Speaker A:And the universe sent a pretty clear sign, I think, on its opinion on whether he should be in that relationship or not.
Speaker A:Then we have Just breathe.
Speaker A:Which fuck.
Speaker A:Which call was that from?
Speaker B:Was it the one with Maddie?
Speaker B:It was something with Maddie, right?
Speaker A:Was it Maddie when she's talking?
Speaker A:Yeah, Maddie's taking a call, and she says to just breathe.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, that is a theme.
Speaker A:That is a theme for, like, also the ch.
Speaker B:The guy in the chocolate, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's like a literal, like, you need to breathe to, like, live, survive even.
Speaker A:Like, hey, you need to, like, take some.
Speaker A:You need to just, like, take some time or just take some.
Speaker A:Some space.
Speaker A:And, like, just, like, it's gonna be okay.
Speaker A:Figure it.
Speaker A:Figure it out.
Speaker A:Waiting for a Sign Eddie in this episode is the definition of I've connected the dots.
Speaker C:You didn't connect.
Speaker A:And the universe was like, you didn't connect shit.
Speaker C:The universe is like, I'm trying to connect the dots for you, and you're seeing the force.
Speaker C:You're not seeing the force for the trees.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Maddie seems to be, like, looking for a sign for, like, what to do about her career.
Speaker C:Kind of her purpose, like.
Speaker C:Yeah, purpose and meaning in.
Speaker C:In her career and in her life now that she doesn't have to run anymore so she can settle.
Speaker C:She can feel more settled.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:I was trying to think if, like, Bobby fit into that too, but I don't know if I could make that work.
Speaker C:Hmm.
Speaker C:I mean, just because his kind of purpose and what he's seen as his, like, purpose in life has been rooted, that he's kind of in a.
Speaker C:In a limbo a little bit.
Speaker A:It all feels unfinished that Maddie says that as well.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, that is another.
Speaker A:She's just spitting out the themes in her dialogue.
Speaker C:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:So, yeah, unfinished is like everyone in this episode.
Speaker C:No, truly.
Speaker A:But no one more so than Shannon.
Speaker B:And Eddie technically, because he didn't get his little closure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think we'll find when we're talking about the character arcs that Maddie and Eddie are very paralleled in a lot of this.
Speaker C:Also, shocking news, but this Justin, more.
Speaker A:Brand new information.
Speaker C:If you haven't paid attention so far.
Speaker C:And then being stuck in the same patterns.
Speaker C:So again, because this is kind of a culmination of so much of the season that it has to kind of, you know, thesis statement of what has been set up.
Speaker C:So I found a lot of.
Speaker C:I found a lot of similarities and themes with specifically episodes.
Speaker C:Stuck.
Speaker C:Haunted.
Speaker C:Yeah, stuck and haunted.
Speaker C:So literally being stuck, not.
Speaker C:Not so much physically in all of these cases, but, like, being stuck in the same patterns or falling back into old habits.
Speaker C:So we have like, the.
Speaker C:The teacher who was falling back into his old habits of, like, eating a lot of chocolate, eating a lot of sugar, and Eddie kind of Eddie falling back into those old patterns or habits of, you know, what he thinks his life and relationship should look like.
Speaker C:You know, Maddie falling back into those old habits of kind of running away a little bit from.
Speaker C:But this time from her job.
Speaker C:I can't think of any more at the moment.
Speaker C:So just.
Speaker C:Just like, being stuck, coming around again.
Speaker C:There's also some, like, expectation versus reality, which I think is kind of similar to, like, the careful what you wish for, where it's like, it's not going to come to pass in the way that you would think it would.
Speaker C:Like the lottery winner being like, you know, I thought, I thought it would fix my life and it just gave me more problems.
Speaker C:So you know, a lot of these things.
Speaker C:Oh, I remember, Sorry.
Speaker C:I remember for, for being stuck in patterns and habits.
Speaker C:The, the lawyer and her husband because it was their anniversary and he's like I, I reserved our usual table and she's like oh great.
Speaker C:Meaning like it was, it was the same old kind of like run, like running the same, the same paths again.
Speaker C:I'll just run through a couple of these really quickly because they're, they're things that I thought would be kind of from the previous episodes that I mentioned that we see kind of touched on but not in as great detail.
Speaker C:So making difficult choices, life choices like being stuck between options and, and like questioning what path to take.
Speaker C:Stuff about purpose and meaning in your life.
Speaker C:Independent support systems.
Speaker C:That's all from stuck 204 and from 207 is notifying next of kin because we see a lot of.
Speaker C:With these emergencies like getting, getting the family or asking who they can contact with any of these.
Speaker C:Also hope was a really big theme in 207, haunted, which Maddie talked about then specifically with Buck and that conversation when they were talking about him and Abby.
Speaker C:And we see that revisited with Hope specifically with Maddie again and of course closure or lack thereof and grieving or being haunted.
Speaker C:So that is kind of self fulfilled prophecy here with Shannon turning into Eddie's personal ghost just like Abby was Buck's personal ghost and how Eddie will be grieving or not going forward.
Speaker C:So it all comes full circle.
Speaker A:It sure does.
Speaker A:Okay, so out of the themes into the frying pan.
Speaker A:Who's cooking?
Speaker A:Gonna start off with Maddie today.
Speaker A:So Maddie is kind of still trying to find her like new normal after everything that happened with Doug.
Speaker A:And we see her for the first time kind of feel unsure about her job because it seems to be like pretty fulfilling like up until now for her.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's a bit of a left turn for her because she's gotten you know, dispatcher of the, of the month and whatever like that.
Speaker C:So she's obviously like very capable and competent at her job.
Speaker C:But it's like whether she feels that like fulfillment, which kind.
Speaker C:I, I feel like it almost rehashed what we, what we saw in awful people 205 which I forgot to mention in Themes, which I guess was also like the culmination of that as well.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So here she is questioning again.
Speaker C:You know, she's there for the beginning and the middle, but not the end.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's this call with Nicole, who's worried about her brother Sam that I think really spurs this on, or at least how we see it really starts this where the sister got a suicide note from her brother, who has already attempted several times before, and she's on her way to try and go find him and stop him, and she shows up, like, she gets to her house and then hangs up on Maddie.
Speaker A:And it's like she gets so invested in these things.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And she's so empathetic.
Speaker A:She's so empathetic.
Speaker A:And this is probably like a.
Speaker A:Felt more personal because of, like, little brother, you know, and what we know about her now having a dead one, so.
Speaker C:Oh, I didn't think about that.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:I felt like this kind of shook her up a little bit.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Honestly.
Speaker C:And this is a total.
Speaker C:Sorry, tangent aside, but this call did kind of remind me a little bit of when Abby was kind of feeling the same things where she was like.
Speaker C:I think it was.
Speaker C:Was it like the pilot or one of the first two episodes where it was like.
Speaker C:And they just hang up and she doesn't really know.
Speaker C:So it's kind of like seeing that again.
Speaker C:But also it made me think about maybe it's because it was the.
Speaker C:The sister concerned about the brother.
Speaker C:It kind of made me think a little bit about 102 let go, where Buck followed up with the sister who lost her brother from the roller coaster.
Speaker C:And kind of how.
Speaker C:How that was a little.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I feel like there's some.
Speaker A:It shook up his similarities.
Speaker A:Like confidence in himself.
Speaker C:Yeah, his confidence and.
Speaker C:And something about how.
Speaker C:Well, maybe they weren't able to help.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I think his name was Devin in that second episode.
Speaker C:But Maddie was able to help.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker C:We find out at the end that Maddie was able to help Nicole's brother.
Speaker C:And I forget his name, so I don't know.
Speaker C:I thought that was something kind of similar.
Speaker C:It just maybe reminded me of that.
Speaker A:But so, you know, she doesn't find out what.
Speaker A:What happens.
Speaker A:She has a talk with Josh and she's like, how do you know if you've made a difference?
Speaker A:And is.
Speaker A:Is talking about how, like, when she was a nurse, she was there from, like, the beginning to the end to.
Speaker A:To see what happened with the patient, so she could really feel like she was helping, making a difference.
Speaker A:And she says, doug is gone.
Speaker A:I'm free now.
Speaker A:And Josh asks her, what do you want to do?
Speaker A:And she says, I wish I knew.
Speaker A:And that just kind of.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Anytime someone's like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing with my life reminds me of Eddie.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And, yeah, Maddie and Eddie.
Speaker A:Parallels.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, it's.
Speaker C:It's pretty.
Speaker C:Pretty blatant because Shannon also asked him and he's like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Oh, in this episode specifically.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then what does he want from Kim?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then she has a talk with sue about the talk with Josh where she's like.
Speaker A:She's having this debate where she's like, I don't know if I want to be the person who sends help.
Speaker A:I want to be the person who gives it.
Speaker A:Because she really.
Speaker A:I think she's thinking about how she took this job initially because she was scared to be out in the open.
Speaker A:And I think that is kind of what's making her question it.
Speaker A:And the fact that she can't, like, look at, like, go back in a list of, like, these are all of the patients that I saw from beginning to end and knew that I helped them.
Speaker A:It's completely different with her job.
Speaker A:So she is kind of having a, like, crisis of faith here.
Speaker A:Faith in herself or, like, you know, or her purpose.
Speaker C:Like, her purpose is this the way that she is providing the most assistance, the most help, because she knows.
Speaker C:She knows that she is helping people, but she doesn't know if.
Speaker C:If this is where she's being better served as that middle person as opposed to seeing people, like, face to face sort of thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker C:I kind of.
Speaker C:I kind of love what Josh says, and it's also a little concerning because he's like, you know, in my mind, I've never lost a call, and.
Speaker C:And they talk about hope again, like, and you can.
Speaker C:And you never have to know, so you can always have hope that, like, it worked out.
Speaker C:Well.
Speaker C:I'm not sure how great that is in the long run, but if that's what, like, helps him and keeps.
Speaker C:Keeps him, like, steady and able to.
Speaker C:To do that, like, what's the harm in that?
Speaker B:Yeah, I feel like I talked about this, like, I think in the pilot, which was like, being desensitized to your.
Speaker B:Your role, your job, especially in these, like, high stress, serving the public.
Speaker B:Like, you don't know what you're going to.
Speaker B:Each call is different.
Speaker B:You don't know what you're going to.
Speaker B:You're going to end up dealing with.
Speaker B:You don't know if you're going to lose Someone and.
Speaker B:And you kind of have to just keep moving forward onto the next call, like, recalibrate.
Speaker B:And you have to recalibrate fast.
Speaker B:So, like, it.
Speaker B:While it does take a toll, like, they have to learn their own, like, coping techniques.
Speaker B:And Maddie, I guess I'm sure she has them, but like, she's also the kind of person who really wants to know that she did everything that she could and everything was okay in the end.
Speaker B:Even though, like, you know, if you do lose someone on those calls, it's kind of like, you know, she just.
Speaker B:She just needs to, I guess, try to learn to cope with that.
Speaker C:Like her, like the best, best coping mechanism for her.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Her own version of gaslighting herself, but.
Speaker C:In a healthy way.
Speaker B:She does talk about how, like, when she was doing nursing, like, there was a.
Speaker B:A big, a beginning, middle, and end.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, like, she.
Speaker B:And I know this is mostly for those dead end calls.
Speaker B:You know, she.
Speaker B:She gets a call that's the beginning.
Speaker B:What's happening during that call, that's her middle.
Speaker B:But then when they hang up, that's like, okay, what happens there?
Speaker B:Did I help them?
Speaker B:Was I able to help them?
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker C:Yeah, Maybe she should have just done another ride along with Athena.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, maybe.
Speaker A:Give me more.
Speaker A:Maddie and Athena, to be honest.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Because that, I mean, that's kind of why she went.
Speaker C:She went for that in the first place because she was also like.
Speaker C:I mean, she was in a different place now.
Speaker C:Now that Doug is gone and she doesn't have to worry about him.
Speaker C:But like, she.
Speaker C:It's essentially.
Speaker C:It's essentially the same thing.
Speaker C:But she, she has the opportunity now to really, like, reassess if this is what's actually what's best for her as well.
Speaker A:She says to Sue, I spent years not having a voice, and now that I do, it just feels like what I'm saying doesn't matter.
Speaker A:So that's where she's at and why she's evaluating it, because it's a.
Speaker A:It really is.
Speaker A:I think it comes down to the dug of it all where it's like, I don't want to just be doing this job because, like, the reason why she started it, I think is tainting a little bit for her.
Speaker A:And she can't kind of see clearly.
Speaker C:Because she doesn't feel like she has to hide anymore.
Speaker A:And she's like, am I stifling my voice and my effectiveness by staying here?
Speaker C:It's not so much that she's running away from something that she knew and felt comfortable with.
Speaker C:But I think.
Speaker C:I think there is an element there of.
Speaker C:Of her sometimes maybe feeling.
Speaker C:Feeling like she's too comfortable and that making her nervous a little bit.
Speaker C:So it might, in a way, activate her fight or flight again, because we know she is.
Speaker C:She's the bolter.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:I kind of wonder if.
Speaker C:If this is, like, her way of exploring that avenue a little bit without completely cutting ties yet.
Speaker C:But I think.
Speaker C:I think it's like, her itch to.
Speaker C:To run because things are almost too good.
Speaker C:Yeah, Right.
Speaker C:Like, she's too settled, and it's like, okay, where's the other shoe that's gonna drop?
Speaker A:So then Josh and Sue plan what I.
Speaker A:What I have dubbed the your voice saved me flash mob.
Speaker C:I love that.
Speaker A:Which felt very glee.
Speaker A:I actually, I think I decided while we were sitting here talking about Josh a little bit, and I was thinking about him in general, but especially, like, what he said about everyone survived in my thing.
Speaker A:And then, like, this flash mob.
Speaker A:And he has this combination of, like, plucky optimism with the complete opposite, like, sardonic, like, attitude that I'm.
Speaker A:He just reminds me of Kurt Hummel from Glee.
Speaker C:It's a dry delivery.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Plucky attitude with a dry delivery.
Speaker A:But just personality wise, I was like, this is.
Speaker A:Feels like grown up Kurt Hummel.
Speaker C:That's sweet.
Speaker A:Anyway, so.
Speaker A:So they did this thing, which seems sweet, but also maybe illegal.
Speaker C:There's another egregious, like, going beyond the glass doors.
Speaker C:Yeah, but, like, the glass doors came and slammed into you.
Speaker C:Yeah, like, she didn't search that out.
Speaker C:They were like, oh, no, let's do this.
Speaker A:And I was like, why couldn't they have just, like, pulled all of these calls and files and like, pulled her into a conference room and been like, we followed up and this person.
Speaker A:Blah, blah.
Speaker A:And it's like, no, we're gonna run out of cafe.
Speaker C:And it's because of the.
Speaker C:The personal connection aspect of it because, like, she hadn't seen these people's faces before.
Speaker C:She only heard their voices.
Speaker C:And to put a face to the voice, to make them real people, to show that her actions had, like, tangible effects on these real people with real lives that are now better off for her intervention.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, I.
Speaker C:I get it, but I'm also.
Speaker C:I don't think it's.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:There's no way it's legal.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker C:I don't think it was legal for.
Speaker A:I mean, we discussed this in season one.
Speaker A:I don't think it was legal for Abby to get Buck's phone number.
Speaker C:But you know, it.
Speaker C:It was for a good cause.
Speaker C:And they were all very nice and gracious and.
Speaker A:And Maddie's very moved.
Speaker A:She's very moved by.
Speaker A:By every single one of them.
Speaker C:It is what she needed to.
Speaker C:To hear.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But the one that gets her the most, which kills me, is Gloria.
Speaker C:Gloria.
Speaker B:Oh, she's back.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker C:And I love the little, like, throwaway line.
Speaker C:It's like, but I thought you were, like, in jail.
Speaker A:I thought you were incarcerated.
Speaker C:It's like, no, I took a plea deal.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, okay.
Speaker C:But, yeah, this having Gloria.
Speaker A:Oh, and Norman and.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Wait, did you say when we were watching this last night about Norman and.
Speaker A:What's Norman's wife's name?
Speaker C:Lola.
Speaker A:So Norman.
Speaker A:I said, Norman and Lola have a much richer backstory and character development than Tommy could ever dream of.
Speaker A:We know so much about Norman and Lola.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We really do.
Speaker B:We know a little bit too much of their relationship, as opposed to.
Speaker A:I don't want to know.
Speaker A:I don't want to be no one know that.
Speaker A:I really don't.
Speaker B:But they have more relationship development then.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, that too.
Speaker C:I mean, just goes to show, if you would like to hear more of that, please check out our plot device episode.
Speaker A:Or if you want to hear more about.
Speaker A:I think we talk about them in the season seven wrap.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker A:So Gloria says that she was wrong.
Speaker C:Hallelujah, the angels are singing.
Speaker A:She says I was wrong about the dead end calls, the people that couldn't be saved.
Speaker A:I always thought there was nothing I could do for them, but there was.
Speaker A:I could have listened, just been there for them at the end so they didn't have to be alone.
Speaker A:Astonishing revelation that maybe you could have had before you cost people their lives.
Speaker A:But whatever.
Speaker C:I mean, I was just gonna say this is the answer that we were looking for in Awful People and some of the episodes after where it's like, are people capable of change?
Speaker C:Sure, this is saying that some may be, some maybe.
Speaker A:Maddie says, but is that enough?
Speaker A:I mean, I'm there for them in the beginning.
Speaker A:I'm there for them in the middle.
Speaker A:But it still doesn't seem like it's enough to make a difference.
Speaker A:And Gloria responds, it's not until it's your emergency, and then you realize that the middle is the scariest part because you don't just need help.
Speaker A:You need hope.
Speaker A:And then that's when all the people start standing up.
Speaker A:And that's what your voice is, Maddie.
Speaker A:It's hope.
Speaker C:I love how connected Maddie has been to the theme of Hope throughout this season, because she is really the one that has, like, that big Hope conversation with Buck in.
Speaker C:What did we say it was?
Speaker C:Haunted.
Speaker A:So we're gonna hop into our scene dissection because it kind of is covering a lot of people.
Speaker A:We're gonna talk about our little therapy with Bobby montage.
Speaker A:Hey, where's the fire?
Speaker B:Every time I see words of fire, I'm like, something.
Speaker B:Something didn't start the fire.
Speaker B:And then I was gonna say, Bobby did and start the fire anyway.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Legally, he didn't.
Speaker A:Legally, he didn't start the fire.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:He has been cleared in a legal.
Speaker C:Of all legal obligations.
Speaker C:He just does not clear himself.
Speaker A:No, that's true.
Speaker C:Of responsibility.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:This montage gets mirrored in season eight, which we love.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:I love that they did this.
Speaker A:So Bobby's trying to plan his and Athena's wedding, so he's.
Speaker A:He's got important work to do.
Speaker A:But instead, everyone in his life, I think, minus Athena, Michael, and May come and visit him.
Speaker C:They don't have to.
Speaker C:They don't have any problems.
Speaker C:They're good now.
Speaker A:They're good.
Speaker C:But Bobby is the dad and the therapist all rolled in one.
Speaker C:And the captain.
Speaker C:And just, like, he's who everybody looks for advice, counsel, and leadership.
Speaker C:And, you know, when he's not there, they go to him.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:They still go to him.
Speaker A:That's the common thread between why we needed another montage like this in season eight.
Speaker A:Because he wasn't captain.
Speaker A:Again.
Speaker B:I also love the premise because it does start with Bobby and Athena both going through, like, a major life change.
Speaker B:So, like, here I think Bobby and Athena are planning their wedding, and then in season eight, planning to build a house.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And some of the characters and their problems that what they're going through, like, actually kind of mirrors their issues in season eight.
Speaker B:Like, for example, Eddie.
Speaker B:Family.
Speaker B:Family.
Speaker B:Eddie is trying to figure out, like, what to do with the.
Speaker B:Well, we'll get into it.
Speaker B:But, you know, I just thought that was funny.
Speaker C:No, it really does mirror that.
Speaker A:So Buck is the first person there, because, of course, that is his son.
Speaker A:And he kind of comes storming in, like, he belongs there.
Speaker A:But, like, also kind of like, is it okay that I'm here?
Speaker A:Like, really anxious, unsure of himself, like, am I?
Speaker A:And he says, am I bothering you?
Speaker A:You would tell me if I'm bothering you, right?
Speaker A:My poor little baby.
Speaker C:I mean, it is so funny because he really does just, like, the door opens like, a crack, and he just barges his way in.
Speaker C:And then he's like, wait.
Speaker A:So it's like he knows that he belongs there, but he also has that, like, that deep rooted, like, anxiousness of like, not feeling like he belongs.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker A:So Buck is in his.
Speaker A:What I like to call he's trying to fix things.
Speaker A:He's in fixer mode, which I want to say is like his neutral setting.
Speaker C:I think you're right.
Speaker A:Sees problem, needs to fix problem immediately.
Speaker C:Immediately.
Speaker A:So he storms in after he's made sure that he's allowed to be there.
Speaker A:Is like, okay, so I could fix it by doing this.
Speaker A:I could fix it by doing this.
Speaker A:What about this?
Speaker A:No, then you would also get suspended.
Speaker A:Okay, but what about this?
Speaker A:There's got to be something we can do.
Speaker C:He's always like, come trying to come up with the solution, which is like.
Speaker C:Like Syl was saying, really mirrors his part of the scene of the montage in season eight was where it was like, no, I.
Speaker C:You have to come back.
Speaker C:It's unacceptable.
Speaker C:Otherwise, like, like, I will.
Speaker C:I will do whatever.
Speaker C:I will testify for you.
Speaker C:In season eight.
Speaker C:It's like I tried to get everybody to quit.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, he is looking for the solutions to the problem.
Speaker A:He's also got a hilarious line in both of these.
Speaker A:So this season's is Bobby's.
Speaker A:Like, I left Chimney as captain because I thought it'd be easier for you because he's your friend.
Speaker A:And he's like, chimney is my friend and term Captain Hannah.
Speaker A:He's a monster.
Speaker C:But that's also establishing that delineation between, you know, Chimney as he is as a peer as opposed to someone who has a role of authority, you know, and those have to be different.
Speaker C:It can't be like, like equal, but different.
Speaker A:But at least Chimney isn't calling him his little buddy and touching him.
Speaker A:So there's that.
Speaker A:He calls me a little buddy and he touches me.
Speaker A:He's wild.
Speaker A:Anyway, that's about all I have to say about Buck in this episode until we get to slow burn.
Speaker C:Buck just reiterates.
Speaker C:He says very emphatically, the 118 doesn't work without you, Bobby.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:No, it doesn't.
Speaker C:We really see how the 118 is.
Speaker C:So like we.
Speaker C:We talk about that Buck is the glue a lot for the 118.
Speaker C:Like as a family, but the 118 as a fire station, that's Bobby as the glue.
Speaker C:And I think we really do see that.
Speaker C:How it was established as that way in Bobby begins again, this might make.
Speaker A:Sense as a metaphor.
Speaker A:Buck is the heart Bobby's the head.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Agreed.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker C:Good job.
Speaker A:Cracked it.
Speaker C:So hen comes in next and she is also concerned, complaining about Interim Captain Han.
Speaker C:Bobby's like, you have to be conscientious.
Speaker C:Like there's going to be a little bit of a, an adjustment period.
Speaker C:And she's like, conscientious or mad with power?
Speaker C:Like, like is.
Speaker C:Is Chimney being conscientious or mad with power and like responsible Chimney is freaking her out.
Speaker A:Freaking me out.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker C:Because again, there is a difference between Chimney as her partner in the ambulance and Jimmy as the, the leader.
Speaker C:She's like, he's not.
Speaker C:He's not you, Cap.
Speaker C:And Bobby's like, well, you shouldn't expect him to be.
Speaker A:And she's like, you should tell him that because he's just trying to be Bobby.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's like, wwbd, what will Bobby do?
Speaker C:Nobody can be Bobby.
Speaker C:No Bobby.
Speaker C:So hen is also trying to adjust to like life under Captain, like Interim Captain Han leadership.
Speaker C:And it's so funny.
Speaker C:It's a tough balance to draw.
Speaker C:And then we see Eddie, who is not talking about Chimney.
Speaker C:Rather he is maybe a little more intrigued by Bobby's wedding planning stuff because he picks up like all, all of these things that are like strewn about the table.
Speaker C:And he like picks it up and has like a stage slightly like, like face like, like first of all, ew, like mildly disgusted and also just kind of like, I don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole sort of thing.
Speaker C:And it's like, oh, this is all happening while, you know, your marriage is on your mind.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Interesting, interesting reaction to the idea of, you know, getting married and, and spending the rest of your life with someone.
Speaker C:And he doesn't like that or him.
Speaker A:But he starts off the same way that Buck did.
Speaker A:I mean, he's already seated when he says it, but the first thing we hear him say is, you sure I'm not in your hair?
Speaker A:So I think it's cute that we, the both of them are like, is it okay that I'm here bothering you?
Speaker A:You're not my captain, but like, you're still kind of my father, you know, father figure figure.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So he's like, this conversation drives me nuts.
Speaker A:He, he says, another baby?
Speaker A:I mean, are we ready for that?
Speaker A:I'm like, shouldn't you be talking to your wife about this?
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker C:Why would he talk to Shannon about this?
Speaker A:And Bobby's like, were you ready the first time?
Speaker A:And he's like, I know I loved her, but I didn't think I was ready to be married.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker A:And then he's like, I guess the question is, can I be a good husband?
Speaker A:And, and Bobby says, that is the question.
Speaker A:Are you ready to ask it?
Speaker A:And I don't think he really asks.
Speaker C:Himself no, because that's the transition to Harry.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:And, and I think they leave it open and they leave it open ended on purpose because Eddie isn't ready because the way that he's just like looking at all the wedding planning stuff, it's just like he's.
Speaker C:See he has so much ambivalence about marriage in I think in general because he doesn't have a good history with it because he was forced to get.
Speaker A:Married by his parents.
Speaker C:But also not just marriage as like the institution of marriage, but also like ambivalence about partnership in a more romantic life sense as opposed to on the job sense.
Speaker C:And he's more concerned with like his responsibility to step up to be a good father, which they already know that he is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So he's like, okay, I've got that.
Speaker C:I've gotten that kind of in the bag, I guess because people tell me that.
Speaker C:And it's all focused on his responsibility to his family for this and not be.
Speaker C:Not because of an intrinsic motivation of.
Speaker C:I want to, I want to do this for, for us because I love our family and it's.
Speaker C:I have a responsibility to the mother of my child, slash children, and a responsibility to the children to keep their mother in their lives as, as long as I can.
Speaker C:Because it didn't work out great the first time.
Speaker B:I don't know if you guys caught this, but in between the transition, I think it's between Hen and Eddie.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So in that transition, I think, because I don't think we've, we've touched upon the, the transitions in the firehouse as examples of like how chimney is a little out of control.
Speaker B:But like, you know, there's the, there's the, there's the Alex scene of it all.
Speaker B:No one's gonna understand that.
Speaker B:But the, the when he's cooking and whatever.
Speaker B:So like they have to order, they have to order pizza.
Speaker B:Sorry, that is like a deep lore Alec thing.
Speaker B:Anyway, so they have to order.
Speaker A:Oh, I thought you said Alex.
Speaker A:And I was like, I don't understand.
Speaker C:Oh no, Alec.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, okay, well if people, if that's.
Speaker A:Not lore, Alec is drunk Scylla.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker B:And Drug Solo was actually not there during the fire in her house.
Speaker B:So I, I will say That I was perfectly sober.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Is that better or worse?
Speaker B:Anyway, they order pizza, and you know who grabs a slice of pizza?
Speaker C:Eddie.
Speaker B:And you know what he's doing instead of eating with the family at the firehouse?
Speaker B:He's walking away, so.
Speaker B:Walking away from his family.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:This is my thing.
Speaker A:This is my thing.
Speaker A:He's asking if he's ready for another kid.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I'm like, why is that not what you're focused on?
Speaker A:Instead of, can I be a good husband?
Speaker A:You being a father again is not resting on the fact that you have to be a husband.
Speaker A:He is thinking of it that, like, oh, if she's pregnant, if we're pregnant again, then we have to stay together.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Well, that's how he's thinking of it.
Speaker C:We've talked about this before.
Speaker C:That he doesn't realize he can.
Speaker A:He doesn't know about divorce.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:It's in his mind, one equals all of it, and.
Speaker C:And you can't have one without the other.
Speaker C:So in his mind, having Shannon in Chris's or whatever potential other children's lives comes with the responsibility of making her his wife.
Speaker C:And he can't separate those.
Speaker C:I think we talked about this.
Speaker C:It must have been Mary Xmas, probably, because it was like, he.
Speaker C:He can't separate those.
Speaker C:They have to.
Speaker C:In his mind, that comes sold as a set.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Children and wife sold as a set.
Speaker C:Do not separate again.
Speaker C:So he doesn't realize that, like, he.
Speaker C:They can have a completely amicable relationship where they're not in a romantic relationship and they're just co parenting, which is ironic because that's exactly what he does with.
Speaker C:I mean, like, he's doing it and just.
Speaker C:It's because she's a lady.
Speaker C:That's the only difference.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:He's crazy.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:That might have.
Speaker C:Should have gone in slow burn, but.
Speaker A:Just, like, a little bit.
Speaker A:But it's okay.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:Well, it's because he's still questioning as.
Speaker A:Part of his arc.
Speaker B:Yeah, that too.
Speaker B:And then he's questioning, like.
Speaker B:Like, are we running for this?
Speaker B:Am I ready to make a good husband?
Speaker B:Like, what do I want from her?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:It just makes me wonder because I think we've talked about, like, Eddie running away, and I think that's what I was trying to get at with the whole pizza thing.
Speaker B:Not like, as a symbol of just, like, that family norm type of thing.
Speaker C:And it's a little more innocuous than, like, running away.
Speaker C:Like, Shannon like, he went to the army, which is more like socially acceptable.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Well, this is still.
Speaker A:You could look at it as a very minor one.
Speaker A:But he ran to go talk about this with his boss, who suspended, instead of talking about it with his wife.
Speaker C:And this is what he was doing in Haunted, where he was literally avoiding all of this conversation with Shannon by entering into a physical relationship with her.
Speaker C:And he was talking about it with, like, other.
Speaker C:He was talking about it with Buck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And not the person that he should have been talking about it with, which was Shannon.
Speaker C:And he's doing the same thing again, but Bobby.
Speaker A:And I mean, I'll say one last thing, because, like, I can expand on it in.
Speaker A:In Eddie's section in a little bit here.
Speaker A:That is the question.
Speaker A:Are you ready to ask it?
Speaker A:If him asking the question was the answer that he gave Shannon at dinner.
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker A:Because it was very much a shrug emoji, I guess, which is par for.
Speaker C:The course, I guess.
Speaker C:She was the love of my life.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Anyway, on to less depressing things.
Speaker C:So Harry has his first crush and is trying to ask out a girl to the dance, which is so, so cute.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I'm talking to Bobby about it.
Speaker C:It's adorable.
Speaker C:And it really shows, like, how the Grant Nash clan has kind of cemented themselves, like, continue to get closer.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:You know, Bobby's like, you like this girl?
Speaker A:Like, ask her out and see what happens.
Speaker A:And he's like, what if she laughs at me?
Speaker A:And Bobby is very good advice.
Speaker A:What if she doesn't?
Speaker C:He does have good advice there.
Speaker A:Like, I think the advice to Eddie was good, too.
Speaker A:Maybe the only time, but it was good.
Speaker C:Yeah, It's.
Speaker C:It's because he didn't actually give, like, give him advice.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was like, look at yourself.
Speaker A:Listen to the words that you're saying.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:My brother in Christ.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's because Bobby was not giving Eddie a.
Speaker C:This is what you should do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:He was saying, well, ask yourself this, which is the way that Bobby should be giving advice.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So he does give.
Speaker C:He does give good advice here.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And Harry.
Speaker C:Harry's so cute.
Speaker C:He's like, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:What you said, like, what.
Speaker C:What if she laughs at me?
Speaker C:What if.
Speaker C:What if she doesn't?
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And then Bobby's like, you didn't think I was nervous to ask your mom out?
Speaker C:And Harry's like, yeah, but you had a fire truck, which.
Speaker B:Valid.
Speaker A:Valid.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, that's smart, boy.
Speaker A:Also.
Speaker C:Also, Buck coded.
Speaker C:He also had a Fire.
Speaker C:Like, oh, no wonder he was able to pull.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:He has no game otherwise.
Speaker C:Like, it's like, oh, look, I got my truck.
Speaker A:He doesn't have in person game.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:With, like, first impressions.
Speaker A:Except for women who like really awkward men, which I guess that's me.
Speaker A:So I think a little bit of all of us.
Speaker A:Socially awkward.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, you can't talk in words that make sense around me.
Speaker A:That's adorable.
Speaker A:You're so cute.
Speaker A:Pat on the head.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But it's also.
Speaker C:It's so cute because that really shows kind of.
Speaker C:This continued a little bit of hero worship that Harry has for Bobby as just like, he's so cool.
Speaker C:He's a.
Speaker C:He's like.
Speaker C:He's a firefighter.
Speaker C:And this isn't like a dig at Michael.
Speaker C:I think we've established that after they're broken, but just kind of like, yeah, Bobby's the coolest.
Speaker C:He has a fire truck, which.
Speaker C:Which is kind of like how.
Speaker C:It's lovely how Harry sees Bobby.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, in.
Speaker C:In that kind of.
Speaker C:In that kind of you're so cool way.
Speaker C:And which brings us to interim Captain Han, Jim Jiminy.
Speaker C:Who is going through it.
Speaker A:He is.
Speaker C:So as much as everybody.
Speaker C:Or by everybody, we mean specifically Buck and Hen are complaining or commisera.
Speaker A:No, he does complain.
Speaker A:Eddie does complain about him.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:So it's not what he leads with, I don't think.
Speaker C:But no, I think that that's.
Speaker C:So as much as everybody has been complaining about interim Captain Han, Jimmy's going through it.
Speaker C:He is so stressed out.
Speaker C:He is so, like, am I doing the right thing?
Speaker C:Am I leading?
Speaker C:Well, like, I know I'm being the most obnoxious person ever.
Speaker C:They all hate me.
Speaker C:And he's.
Speaker A:That's the first thing he says.
Speaker A:They all hate me.
Speaker A:Little bit.
Speaker A:I feel like.
Speaker B:I think we talked about, like, how Chimney is.
Speaker B:Is always friendship.
Speaker B:Like, he is not good at leadership position.
Speaker B:I mean, like, he's good, but, like, not.
Speaker B:He can be.
Speaker A:But he doesn't like it.
Speaker B:He doesn't like it.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:It's uncomfortable for him.
Speaker C:The leadership gets thrust upon him.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't think it was asked if he wanted to do it.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:But he also thought it was gonna be fun, though.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:I think he said the chief asked if he would do it, and I think he said yes because it sounded like it was gonna be fun.
Speaker C:So it wasn't.
Speaker C:It wasn't on Bobby's, like, recommendation, which he probably would have, but.
Speaker C:But Chimney is Also probably one of.
Speaker A:No, Bobby did recommend him.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:He says it, he says he did.
Speaker A:He says it to Buck.
Speaker C:Ah, oh, okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think it's because they, you know, they're.
Speaker B:Chimney is someone that they're familiar with.
Speaker A:Senior person there.
Speaker B:That too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So he thought it would be fun to boss them around a little bit.
Speaker C:Make Buck.
Speaker C:What did he say?
Speaker C:Like wash it?
Speaker B:Wash his car?
Speaker C:Wash his car.
Speaker C:Like, like he's hazing as he's like the president of the frat house and he's hazing the, the rushers.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, he's hazing the people who are already like seniors.
Speaker C:But he doesn't, he doesn't take to that position of power very well because he doesn't know how to balance that, that difference between friend Chimney and interim captain Chimney.
Speaker C:And it's, and it's hard for him to do both.
Speaker C:But Bobby says like a good captain finds a way to do both.
Speaker C:I think this is the best advice that Bobby gives anybody ever.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Just like blanket statement here where he's like you.
Speaker C:He says to Chimney, you don't have to worry about being their friend because you already are.
Speaker C:That's established.
Speaker C:Don't worry about that.
Speaker C:They trust you now.
Speaker C:You have to put your trust in them and yourself.
Speaker C:And I think that's like a really big part of the equation because we saw Chimney just trying to be Bobby and Chimney is not Bobby.
Speaker C:Chimney is Chimney.
Speaker C:Chimney's his own person.
Speaker C:And, and Bobby says don't push them, lead them.
Speaker C:And it's that being in front of them to lead them, but also being behind them to have their back, like Bobby said.
Speaker C:And Bobby begins.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So after he says they all hate me, then he's like, is this like a bad time?
Speaker A:So I don't know, I just thought it was interesting because hen, I mean Harry doesn't say anything either.
Speaker A:But like he knows, like this is my, my soon to be stepdad.
Speaker A:Like he knows he belongs there.
Speaker A:He's only anxious about what he's going through.
Speaker A:Not about taking up Bobby's time.
Speaker A:Hen fully confident being there.
Speaker A:She's not anxious about taking up Bobby's time.
Speaker C:No at all.
Speaker C:But, but she's the most self confident one out of all of them.
Speaker C:Let's be real.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I mean she knows who the fuck she is.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:That helps.
Speaker A:So Buck and Eddie and Chimney all are anxious a little bit about taking up more room.
Speaker A:Like they might not be welcome there or like might not belong there since it's not like he's not their captain right now.
Speaker A:Are they friends when he's not their captain?
Speaker A:Because that has not been established yet.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:So I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker C:It also kind of gets established just like, very briefly, because we don't really.
Speaker C:We don't really touch on Bobby.
Speaker C:Bobby as his own arc in this episode, really, except like, at.
Speaker C:At the very end where he and Athena are, you know, decide to leave the.
Speaker C:The Seeing the wedding venue, and they're like, well, what kind of couple are we?
Speaker C:Are we a.
Speaker C:A barbecue out.
Speaker C:Out in the back porch kind of couple?
Speaker C:And it's like, well, yes.
Speaker A:Well, yes, you are.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:So that is establishing the kind of, like, outside of the job kind of relationship that.
Speaker C:That they end up having with everybody.
Speaker C:And I think this helps pave the way for that too.
Speaker C:So cute.
Speaker A:And it's just cute how much wedding planning that Bobby has on the table.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I never mind.
Speaker A:That's in slow burn.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I want to talk about it.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Let's just transition right in the chimney and talk about him on the calls and at the station.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:Captain, Interim Captain Chimney Han is like, what he's going through.
Speaker C:So we see kind of like from the very beginning, like, that first call with the lottery winner and Chimney is.
Speaker C:When they arrive on the scene, Chimney is like, rearing to go.
Speaker C:Except he's rearing to go as a paramedic, and currently he is not.
Speaker C:Because he's supposed to be like the.
Speaker C:The incident commander or the incident, like chief in command or whatever.
Speaker C:Whatever.
Speaker C:It's called the ic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Incident command.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:So he's the one who's supposed to be like, okay, you do this, you do that.
Speaker C:And he's just like, forgets that.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:And continues to kind of forget that, which is.
Speaker A:Oh, he's been up on the job the longest.
Speaker A:It's just muscle memory, you know?
Speaker A:So that autopilot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:From the very beginning, we see that this is what he's struggling with in this episode.
Speaker C:And like, at the.
Speaker C:At the chocolate factory, and he just kind of like, runs away or.
Speaker C:Or they.
Speaker C:Everybody thinks for a brief moment that, like, he's run away.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker C:I don't think.
Speaker C:I don't think Eddie or hen really thought that he would just, like, bounce.
Speaker A:No, but they were like, where the.
Speaker A:Did he go?
Speaker C:Yeah, just kind of like.
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And it was to.
Speaker C:It was to utilize his resources.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, he could have used you.
Speaker A:Utilized his resource.
Speaker A:Of all of the people who work There.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And ask them.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:Bobby's a chef.
Speaker C:But it was not only utilizing his resource of Bobby as someone who is familiar with, like, cooking stuff, but familiar with leadership.
Speaker C:So I think it was twofold there.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:Then I think we see like, all of, like the.
Speaker C:In the therapy with Bobby montage, like, all of those little.
Speaker C:Little interstitials with chimney just, like, barking out orders and being just generally insufferable.
Speaker B:So I'd still take a Captain Han over Captain Gerard.
Speaker C:Well, every day for sure.
Speaker A:But he is channeling Captain Gerard a little bit.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:In.
Speaker C:In how strict he was being in the strictness.
Speaker A:And then just, like, the bullshittery of, like, the stuff he was making people do is like, who cares how they fold the goddamn hose?
Speaker C:Like, he's trying to impart his wisdom that he's learned in his many, many years.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker C:It's so funny because he's just like, he's trying to fill the shoes that Bobby has left.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he's not going about it in the right way, and the pendulum is swinging too far.
Speaker A:So it's like he has the terror.
Speaker A:He has the terror.
Speaker A:He has the terror that he's bringing.
Speaker A:Kind of inspired by Gerard, but.
Speaker A:But it's also kind of inspired by, like, how he is as a friend and, like, plays with them.
Speaker A:But then it's like, when you're doing it in a leadership way that's like.
Speaker C:It'S not fun anymore because it's not your buddy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then.
Speaker A:Then he has the, like, now I'm in Bobby mode trying to be Bobby, like, when he is trying to cook.
Speaker A:So it's just very cute because he's trying to do all these things, and none of those things are just him trying to be himself as a leader.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:He's the easiest thing to try and do.
Speaker C:He's trying to.
Speaker C:Something he's not because he doesn't see himself as someone in a leadership position or someone capable of leading a team like this.
Speaker C:So it.
Speaker C:It's also coming.
Speaker C:It's coming from a place of insecurity as well, of not only, like, am I gonna be a good enough Bobby, like, stand in, but am I going to be good enough to be a leader like this just, like, at all?
Speaker C:And that's why he ends up.
Speaker C:That's why he ends up overcompensating so significantly.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:It's after this talk that he has with Bobby that we see this kind of, you know, click into place a little bit.
Speaker C:So I think it's at the, at the porch bomb call and Chimney's taking point.
Speaker C:So he's, he's telling people what they need to do and where they need to go.
Speaker C:But he is, he is also like taking point because he's the most experienced paramedic.
Speaker C:So he is, he's trying.
Speaker C:This is him trying to be both.
Speaker C:So, like, still finding his footing a little bit where, where I don't think we really see it come as much to fruition until they get on the, on the scene with Shannon's accident, which also then shakes his confidence again.
Speaker C:So, so you see him attempting to multitask a little bit more and, and he feels more.
Speaker C:Or he, he seems more confident in himself and his abilities because he ha.
Speaker C:He has that like, strategy of like, okay, I'm going to.
Speaker C:I know they trust me.
Speaker C:I'm going to trust them.
Speaker C:So I'm going to lead from front end behind in that way.
Speaker C:And I think, I think that really like starts to make sense for him as he's doing, as he's working on the, the lawyer lady.
Speaker C:But when, when they do show up to the, the car accident with Shannon and you see him kind of like he's in his.
Speaker C:It seems like he's more in his element now because he's like, okay, like, hen you're with me, Buck and Eddie check on, check on the driver.
Speaker C:So, and so do like, do triage, you know, so he's, he's learning and kind of getting a better sense of how to multitask by doing his job as a paramedic, but also in, in captaincy.
Speaker C:And I think that really does kind of get shaken when, you know, there's that moment where they hesitate and they kind of look to Eddie and ask if, they ask if Eddie wants to intubate Shannon and Chimney.
Speaker C:Eddie doesn't say anything.
Speaker C:He just kind of like looks so overwhelmed.
Speaker A:He looks like the most devastated I've probably ever seen him look.
Speaker C:And it's Chimney then that makes the actual call to say, pen, hold off, Eddie.
Speaker C:Go go like, say goodbye to your wife.
Speaker C:So he's, he's doing that as both a paramedic, a friend, and the captain.
Speaker C:So he's taken on a lot of responsibility in that moment, which then we see him really grappling with in the aftermath of that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then, and then hen visits and they, they discuss what happened.
Speaker C:And Chimney is just like beating himself over and over again about how he screwed up because he withheld Medical care from a patient.
Speaker C:And Hen.
Speaker C:And, and he's comparing himself to Bobby again, saying, you know, like I, I was trying to, trying to do what Bobby does.
Speaker C:I was trying to be him.
Speaker C:And, and Hen is, and.
Speaker C:But Hen is, is kind of his voice of reason here, as she so often is with everybody.
Speaker C:Because she says like, listen, she was all like, Shannon was already, her body was, was already gone.
Speaker C:It just took a little while.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:For her brain to catch up with her body.
Speaker C:And you know, she, she talks about how proud she is of Chimney.
Speaker C:And this is just such a.
Speaker A:This is one of my favorite scenes of them literally ever.
Speaker A:It's so good.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:This is best friendism to the max because she, she tells Chimney what he really needed to hear, which was how proud she is of him.
Speaker C:Even when she's like giving him grief, which is, which is so warranted.
Speaker C:And he acknowledged.
Speaker C:He knows that he's like, yeah, he kind of deserved it.
Speaker C:But a lot, A lot of that was coming from a place in herself where she was conflicted about him getting this promotion because she, as much as she wants to see him succeed, she knew that like once Chimney figured out that he could do it because she also had the faith that he would, that life as a paramedic and her partner just wouldn't be good enough for him anymore.
Speaker C:And that's when she like.
Speaker C:And I know we just said like Hen is always the most like self confident person.
Speaker C:This is like one of the very few times that we see kind of a chink in that armor.
Speaker C:And it's because it hits so close to home about her and Chimney as friends and partners and you know, wanting to, to stick through it together.
Speaker C:And, and because she knew that he would be great at it if he, if he realized it in himself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And if he wanted to do it, you know, like if he realized he wanted to do it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't even know that it's like.
Speaker C:Insecure so much as just like unsure about the future.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Not liking being unsure of the future.
Speaker A:And like that is her.
Speaker A:That's not just her best friend.
Speaker A:And that's never going to change, which she says to him.
Speaker A:And I fudgeing.
Speaker A:Love that.
Speaker A:But that's not just her best friend.
Speaker A:That is her, that is her partner.
Speaker A:That is, you know, the unromantic kind of partner ness that we get with Eddie, you know, where it's like they just know each other so well on the job that it'd be so impossible to like.
Speaker A:And we see this with Both of them.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Impossible to pair them with someone else.
Speaker A:And then it's just like, things wouldn't be the same.
Speaker A:And she doesn't want to lose him as a.
Speaker A:As a partner at work, even though, like, they'd still be best friends.
Speaker A:She doesn't want to lose him as a partner because of how well they work together, but also just.
Speaker A:She just loves doing it with him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he responds like he misses being in the ambulance with her and he feels like everything is changing, but.
Speaker C:But not their relationship, which.
Speaker C:Which is an interesting thing that we also see.
Speaker C:Like, this is the second time we.
Speaker C:We see or hear in this episode that, like, you know, this doesn't change anything in our relationship.
Speaker C:It's also kind of an interesting tie there because it really doesn't change their relationship.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:No, the other example does.
Speaker A:So, yeah, we'll talk about that later.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I just.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:This scene is so.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker C:Both of both of them together.
Speaker C:Both Aisha and Kenneth are just such powerhouses in this, like.
Speaker C:Like, emotive sense.
Speaker C:And it's so good.
Speaker A:It's just so sweet.
Speaker C:Yeah, she's so sweet.
Speaker A:It is, it is.
Speaker A:It's just look up best friendism in the dictionary.
Speaker A:It's them and then Jim.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, that.
Speaker C:That is how you do platonic besties.
Speaker A:Yes, that.
Speaker A:That is platonic besties.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's the fact that, like, they needed to have this conversation, but, like, ultimately she just wanted to be there to check up on him after that.
Speaker A:That call with Shannon, and that this conversation just happened because of it, but she just wanted to be there for him because she knew he wouldn't be okay.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker C:She knew.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And it's the fact that she knew that he would be, like, torturing himself about this, and she had to.
Speaker C:She had to go over there and console him.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And she wasn't doing that as the subordinate of interim Captain Hannah.
Speaker C:She was doing that as Chimney's partner, as his best friend.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So there we have, like, the full.
Speaker C:The full range for Chimney.
Speaker A:All the things.
Speaker C:All the things.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He is all the things.
Speaker C:Everything everywhere at once.
Speaker A:All at once.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's a bagel.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:It's an everything everywhere, all at once reference.
Speaker A:Have you ever looked at someone and thought, wow, God must hate them.
Speaker C:Is this a supernatural reference in where Tim is Chuck?
Speaker A:No, but it can be if you want it to be.
Speaker A:No, that was just a song reference.
Speaker B:Oh, I was trying to figure out which one were you talking About.
Speaker B:Are you talking about Eddie or Shannon?
Speaker A:Eddie is not God's favorite.
Speaker B:No, he's not.
Speaker A:I mean, neither is Shannon.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Ah, where do we start with Eddie in this episode?
Speaker A:Oh, Eddie just wow.
Speaker C:Oh, Eddie just wow.
Speaker A:My dude.
Speaker A:Okay, should we start at the beach?
Speaker B:Snow.
Speaker C:The beach.
Speaker C:Oh, I went completely different.
Speaker A:So, yeah, he's.
Speaker A:He's at the beach with his wife, question mark.
Speaker A:I mean, like, they're married, but they're.
Speaker A:They're not.
Speaker A:But they're married.
Speaker C:No, Eddie is at the beach with Chris and the mother and child and.
Speaker A:And Christopher's mother.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's.
Speaker A:Eddie is so happy.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:As long as Christopher is happy, Eddie is happy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because that is his.
Speaker C:That is his world, his motivation for everything.
Speaker C:He says, Chris is happy.
Speaker C:I'm good.
Speaker C:I've succeeded in life because I have made my child happy.
Speaker C:And if that's what it takes for him to be happy, well, I can suck it up.
Speaker A:And I do just want to touch on this very quick.
Speaker A:And we cannot spiral, so maybe you guys can all say, like, one or two things about it.
Speaker A:When he says, that kid was born happy, and Shannon says, I don't know where he gets it from.
Speaker A:And he's like, me.
Speaker A:And she's like, okay, Mr.
Speaker A:Broody.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, he probably was a happy kid for the couple years that he actually got to be a kid.
Speaker C:Wait, are you talking about Chris or Eddie?
Speaker A:Eddie.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So I think that was a serious thing.
Speaker A:Like, he was.
Speaker A:Yeah, he gets it from me before.
Speaker C:He was burdened with the responsibilities of the world on his shoulders.
Speaker C:Mr.
Speaker C:Atlas, I'm holding up the entire, like, Sky.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And we know that he and Shannon met in school.
Speaker C:So, like, that was definitely after, you know, he was 10 years old and.
Speaker A:They met in high school.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Ye.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe I feel like that is some unlocked lore right there, because, like, yeah, he.
Speaker B:He definitely could have been, like, a super happy child.
Speaker B:Like a super.
Speaker B:An outgoing child that stuck around to his sisters and mama, maybe until Ramon ruined it with his Gonna be the man of the house.
Speaker B:And that's when, you know, typically, especially in these kinds of households, that's when they have to put that kind of brooding mask and, like, very responsible, very, like, serious mask on to basically fulfill that.
Speaker B:That role.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:And it's a role that he didn't choose.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And when Eddie and Shannon are having that conversation, he's like, well, hopefully Chris gets your smarts and.
Speaker C:And my good looks.
Speaker C:And we've never really seen him have, like, that kind of, like, banter with.
Speaker A:Any other romantic interests.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:It's banter, except for.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker C:It's banter.
Speaker C:But it's also like, you know, propping himself up a little bit.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't think he really thinks of himself in any.
Speaker C:Anything besides, like, failure.
Speaker A:I think it's actually a very cute.
Speaker A:So, like, I mean, he's insane and like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:But it is very cute.
Speaker A:Their friendship is cute.
Speaker A:Yes, their friendship is very sweet.
Speaker A:And I love how comfortable he seems to be to be himself in that capacity.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Like, that is pure, like, undiluted Eddie, where he has that banter.
Speaker C:He is like, you know, making fun by having.
Speaker C:By being a little full of himself in like, a silly way, but also complimenting, you know, the other person because it's like, oh, you're smart and I'm just good looking.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:But we know what's more important and it's there.
Speaker C:Which is.
Speaker C:Which is that similar kind of banter that they had when.
Speaker C:When they were in bed together in.
Speaker C:In Mary Xmas.
Speaker C:And I love seeing that, like, rapport of what that relationship was originally before it got again bogged down with all of this responsibility with all of the.
Speaker C:The real world aspects, the real world things that they have to deal with.
Speaker C:So it's like that is.
Speaker C:That is Eddie at his truest.
Speaker C:But also like Eddie and Shannon at their most real as well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker A:He says she asks him like, what are we doing?
Speaker A:And he's like, what do you mean?
Speaker A:And she's like, I need to know what you want.
Speaker A:He's like this because he is happy with that.
Speaker A:He's happy being at the beach with his friend and his son and the mother of his kid.
Speaker A:He's happy with that.
Speaker A:He likes co parenting with her.
Speaker A:He likes hanging out with her and Chris.
Speaker A:But, you know, she has visitation with Chris.
Speaker A:She takes Chris, like, so the setup is not.
Speaker A:We are a married couple.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But the lines are blurred because they're kissing.
Speaker A:We don't know if they're still sleeping together.
Speaker C:It can be assumed, but like.
Speaker C:But it's also, they.
Speaker C:They might be falling back on that, like, casual, casual physical intimacy that, you know, would have been established at the beginning of their relationship when they were, like, first going out and stuff.
Speaker C:It's kind of a little bit like a high school relationship with added child.
Speaker C:Like with child, with full, fully, fully fleshed child.
Speaker A:But he's happy with that because he doesn't have the weight of the pressure of thinking about, we're a couple, we're married.
Speaker C:The expectation is different.
Speaker A:He doesn't have to be doing the performance thing because there's no label on what's happening.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because as soon as it gets labeled, that's where he's like, okay, now I have to fulfill this role and fulfill this expectation, and I'm a slave to the responsibility.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:I think he feels more free without that label.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And you can see it in his face and his body language.
Speaker A:As soon as he finishes that sentence, when he's like, and.
Speaker A:And like my kid's mother, or however he words that implies that it's, you know, it doesn't say my wife or my partner.
Speaker A:He doesn't.
Speaker C:He's not even girlfriend.
Speaker A:Like, no, it's Christopher.
Speaker A:It's Christopher's mother.
Speaker A:And she's like, is that how you see me?
Speaker A:It's okay if that's how you see me.
Speaker A:But just, like, she wants to know.
Speaker A:She wants to define the relationship, which is fair.
Speaker C:Which is fair because she's living in limbo.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I mean, they have.
Speaker A:They've both been living in limbo for a long time, but, you know, now that things are, like, progressing, reconciled their co parenting, they're in each other's lives again.
Speaker A:It's like, you need to know what you're doing.
Speaker A:You need to figure out what you both want and move forward from there.
Speaker A:And that's what she's trying to do.
Speaker A:And he immediately clams up and is like, you know, so he goes from being, like, calm, relaxed, really happy, silly, goofy to I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm just waiting for a sign.
Speaker A:Like, bro.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:It's just such a weird answer.
Speaker A:It's like, you either have feelings for this person and you want to try and make it work, or you don't like that those are the two options.
Speaker A:Like, I get it's complicated because, like, they're married and they have a kid, but, like, those were two normal people.
Speaker A:Those would be the two options.
Speaker A:He wants juice.
Speaker C:Like a re.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He doesn't.
Speaker C:He doesn't consider what he wants to be, like, an achievable thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because it's just.
Speaker C:It's just out of the question.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, all of anything that he.
Speaker B:He would want, anything that he would wish for.
Speaker B:Like, I think for his entire life, he's had to put it aside because of any kind of responsibility that comes his way, you know, with.
Speaker B:With, like, his own family.
Speaker B:And then, and then now Christopher and, and when we've talked about so you know, so many times about like how he puts his.
Speaker C:He puts Christopher first because he's so busy trying to make sure Christopher's needs are met, he doesn't give himself time to even I think, think what he would want if given the opportunity.
Speaker C:So like when he says he doesn't know, he, he actually doesn't know because I don't think he's, he's let him.
Speaker A:Think about it at all.
Speaker A:He doesn't want to think about it because like I said, he's happy with.
Speaker B:Not looking at that.
Speaker A:Defining things.
Speaker A:Yes, but that's not really fair.
Speaker A:He doesn't want to think about any of.
Speaker A:No, it's not fair.
Speaker A:It's not fair.
Speaker A:So then we later see them on a FaceTime call and Shannon's at lunch with Christopher and Abuela and it's just a very cute call and we actually get to hear our.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker C:Oh, sorry, I just.
Speaker C:So on this, on this FaceTime call, she.
Speaker C:I was confused for a second because she's wearing the same yellow floral shirt that she does when the accident happens.
Speaker C:And for, for a second on like the first watch through of this, I was like, wait, is this their last conversation?
Speaker C:And it's not because the dinner happens later, but I was like, is this just an oopsie?
Speaker C:Or, or maybe she just wore the same shirt twice?
Speaker B:Like I'm just gonna go with she wore just seems shirt.
Speaker A:Yeah, I, I think they probably just filmed it all in one day.
Speaker A:And then the way that they ended up laying out the episode was different than how it originally was supposed to be.
Speaker A:But yeah, I, I was confused about that at first too.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Yeah, because.
Speaker C:Anyway, sorry, because I was thinking about that and I was like, okay, if that, if they filmed it all in the same day or they had it laid out that that would be like the immediate precursor to her getting hit by the car.
Speaker C:I'm like, but where does the dinner come in after?
Speaker C:Like around this.
Speaker C:Because it seems like it would only make place after this FaceTime because if it happened before, that would be weird anyways.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker C:Just a thought.
Speaker A:So on this FaceTime call, we do get our first single standalone, not including Christopher.
Speaker A:I love you.
Speaker A:That he says to her.
Speaker A:And then shortly followed by afterwards, after Buck jumps down and is like, when's the wedding?
Speaker A:He's like, wait, we don't have to get married again, do we?
Speaker A:Like you're a full grown ass adult.
Speaker A:What are you talking about, do we have to get married again?
Speaker A:Do we?
Speaker C:He's so stupid sometimes.
Speaker B:It really is.
Speaker A:It's like he thinks his parents are going to jump out of nowhere and be like, oh, you.
Speaker A:You're having another kid and you decided to get back together.
Speaker A:You have to get married again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like, it's the trauma, probably from being forced to get married at 19 or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because, like, I.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:I can't imagine.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm, like, trying to think, like, the rules of Catholicism and I'm like, I don't think they have to if they've never actually got divorced.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:But I know I.
Speaker C:I think what the.
Speaker C:The reasoning behind that is because, like, they don't feel like they're already married, so.
Speaker A:Or he keeps saying that in this episode.
Speaker C:He keeps saying it, but he doesn't feel it.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And it's also because they may already be married, and he keeps, like, emphasizing that.
Speaker C:But they don't feel committed to each other the way a marriage should be.
Speaker C:The way that Bobby sees Bob or that.
Speaker C:The way that Eddie sees Bobby committing to Athena and stuff like that.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:I think it's less of a, like, do we have to get married again?
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker C:And more of a.
Speaker C:Like, this doesn't feel like a.
Speaker C:Like a real commitment in.
Speaker C:In our relationship so far.
Speaker C:So it's a little bit of rehashing, like.
Speaker C:Like, even though they're married in paper and.
Speaker C:And like, official documentation, it's almost like they're having another kid out of wedlock again to him, I think, because they're not in that kind of committed relationship.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:So he says that, and.
Speaker C:And Buck is like, well, maybe Bobby can give you a.
Speaker C:Like, talk to Bobby.
Speaker C:Maybe he can give you a discount.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And Eddie's face is.
Speaker A:Is like, barf.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, he.
Speaker C:He's like.
Speaker C:Like, that was.
Speaker C:That was funny.
Speaker C:And then, like, realization washed over him and he was like, oh, do I wedding marriage commitment?
Speaker A:And you see.
Speaker C:You see that kind of face keep popping up on his face when he's confronted with, you know, these parallels of.
Speaker C:Of married couples or partnerships or anything like that multiple times.
Speaker C:And it's just like, he looks less than thrilled.
Speaker C:He looks really just kind of like, I might be sick if I think about this too long and that, my dude, is the answer that you were looking for.
Speaker C:If you're not excited about it, the answer is probably no.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:But he.
Speaker C:He's like, but that's what I want is not important.
Speaker C:So I Must do the right thing.
Speaker C:God.
Speaker A:Okay, all right, we gotta get into this.
Speaker C:Yes, this is, this is our moment.
Speaker A:I was trying to think of something that sounded better than this, but currently dubbed the Disaster dinner.
Speaker C:Yeah, it is a disaster.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It does not, it does not go well.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So I think both of.
Speaker C:If we're talking about themes like they both, Eddie and Shannon go into it with very different expectations and the reality is drastically different than they expect.
Speaker A:So I just gotta listen.
Speaker A:The man said he was looking for a sign in this episode, right?
Speaker A:He was wishing for a sign to figure out what to do.
Speaker A:But then the man can't sit across from someone he has known for how fucking long and read her own signs, like of her facial expressions, her body language, the words she's trying to say, which are all screaming, huh?
Speaker A:Actually that's not what I'm feeling or what I came here to talk to you about.
Speaker C:And I think, I think he can't recognize that because he's running away from that in himself.
Speaker C:Because let's be real, they both don't want to be in that marriage together.
Speaker A:No, they don't.
Speaker C:They don't at all.
Speaker C:Like, they are both terrified of it so much because of, because of their past and where they are now.
Speaker C:And it's just like.
Speaker C:So I think Eddie doesn't see that in her because he is so focused on trying to do right by her and trying to do the right thing and being what is expect.
Speaker C:Being what is expected of him, that he doesn't realize that what she expects of him is also completely different.
Speaker C:Which is kind of like a, A flip parallel to like Buck in relationships where he's trying to be what he thinks the other people want him to be.
Speaker C:And Eddie is trying to like assert what he thinks that he has to be for that other person without actually taking what their expectations are into consideration.
Speaker C:And so he's, he's running away from what she expects of him because he's running away from what he expects from what he actually wants in lieu of his self proclaimed expectations of himself.
Speaker A:I just want to say that this man thinks that the peak of romanticness is going.
Speaker A:Life is like a vat of molten chocolate.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sometimes you fall into it.
Speaker A:It drags you down.
Speaker A:But it's warm.
Speaker C:It's warm and sweet.
Speaker A:And she's even like, this is a very weird metaphor because it is, it's a terror.
Speaker C:The worst metaphor you could ever have, quite honestly.
Speaker A:And then he's, then he goes on, he's like, when you came back into our lives.
Speaker A:I was so glad.
Speaker A:I was afraid.
Speaker A:I knew Christopher missed you, but I don't think I realized just how much.
Speaker A:I did, too.
Speaker A:And by the way, he's stammering through all of this and she tries to interrupt him and he's like, please, just let me say this.
Speaker A:And we were so young the first time, you know, young and not ready.
Speaker A:But we had this amazing kid.
Speaker A:Being his dad has been the single greatest joy of my life.
Speaker A:Nothing about her, Nothing about her.
Speaker A:Nothing about how much he cares about her, how much he wants to try and make a real relationship, like, as adults and get to know each other again and be partners.
Speaker A:Nothing about how, what he thinks about her, why he loves her.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:Nothing about her.
Speaker C:There's nothing about how she makes him feel either.
Speaker C:Like he's completely taken himself out of the equation of this, too, because it's all.
Speaker C:It's all about Christopher.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:And he's like, little boys taught me more about being a man than the war ever did.
Speaker A:She calls him a great dad.
Speaker A:And he says, well, if I am, it's because he deserves it.
Speaker A:Which I feel like I could unpack in a 30 minute minisode.
Speaker C:Put it.
Speaker C:Put it in the ideas.
Speaker A:Put it in the ideas.
Speaker A:And then he says, but he deserves his mommy, too.
Speaker A:He loves his mommy.
Speaker A:So do I.
Speaker A:I want us to be a family again.
Speaker A:I wished for a sign.
Speaker A:He laughs and says, I got one.
Speaker A:And then she's like, I'm not pregnant.
Speaker A:Really wish he would have just let her say that.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, she.
Speaker C:She really did try to, like, cut him off because.
Speaker C:Yeah, she knew what.
Speaker C:She knew what he was going to say.
Speaker C:She's seen this film before and she didn't like the ending.
Speaker C:This is probably exactly what it went like.
Speaker A:That's why she's trying to avoid the ending, which is what we get her saying for the rest of this, which is basically that why she left the first time could happen again if she doesn't do what she needs to do for herself and that she needs to figure out how to be a good mother before she can think about being in a relationship.
Speaker C:And she says before she can.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Be anyone's wife.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's like.
Speaker A:And he's like, we're still married.
Speaker C:But he's been telling.
Speaker C:Like, he's been telling literally everybody in this episode.
Speaker C:It's like, we're still married.
Speaker C:We're still married, dude.
Speaker C:You don't want to be, so stop insisting that you are.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:And when she says that she's not pregnant.
Speaker A:He's like, what?
Speaker A:And she's like, I was late.
Speaker A:I freaked out.
Speaker A:I freaked you out.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Like, that's gotta be a relief.
Speaker A:And he's like, it.
Speaker A:It doesn't change a thing for me.
Speaker A:And she's like, well, it does for me.
Speaker C:I mean, if he was looking for his signs, this is an even bigger sign than that first sign, because that was a false sign.
Speaker C:It's just like, take the hint.
Speaker C:And he doesn't.
Speaker C:Because he's like, I've.
Speaker C:How many times have we seen.
Speaker C:I've made my choice, I'm going to stick to it, and nothing will persuade me otherwise.
Speaker C:That is what Eddie.
Speaker C:That's what he does.
Speaker B:The stubborn is what he is.
Speaker A:For real.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So he's kind of just taken aback and they kind of leave it at that.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Like, she asked for the divorce.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker C:That is absolutely not the way that he thought this dinner was gonna go.
Speaker A:And he had to psych himself up for this so hard.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:He had to psych himself up for this for days.
Speaker A:I'm assuming between the, you know, the beach, her saying, I think I'm pregnant to doing this, he had to psych himself up for it.
Speaker C:He had the whole speech about the.
Speaker C:The chocolate dragging him down that he thought was romantic, and it was absolutely not.
Speaker C:It was a cry for help.
Speaker A:What did I say while we were watching this?
Speaker C:I don't remember.
Speaker A:Oh, I was like, he's so lucky he's pretty.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because otherwise he could never pull women.
Speaker B:There's nothing behind those moo moo eyes.
Speaker A:He's smart, but he just has no.
Speaker A:What is this language?
Speaker A:Where's the.
Speaker A:There's nobody I trust with my son more than you.
Speaker C:That's the most romantic thing he's ever said.
Speaker C:Let's be real.
Speaker B:For real.
Speaker A:Where's the.
Speaker A:He doesn't know you're an idiot.
Speaker A:Once he knows.
Speaker A:Yeah, you are.
Speaker A:He'll.
Speaker A:There's nothing personalized about this.
Speaker A:It's just so, like, nothing about it is romantic at all.
Speaker B:The closest thing is just him saying, but it's still tied to Christopher.
Speaker B:It's just saying that, oh, I missed having you around.
Speaker B:But, like, it doesn't.
Speaker B:But again, it's like, around but nothing about you specifically.
Speaker B:Like, what you missed about her and.
Speaker A:How she makes him feel.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker B:Nothing there.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The, like, most romantic part about this is that he remembered that she liked those chocolates.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Very sweet.
Speaker C:Like the chocolate.
Speaker C:And I just.
Speaker C:I just want to say very, very quickly and Then we can move on to, like, the actual.
Speaker C:What you all came here for is just, like, how long has Eddie felt like he's been drowning before?
Speaker C:He actually does.
Speaker A:Like, since he was 10.
Speaker C:Since he was 10.
Speaker C:And just.
Speaker C:He's never said it, as, you know, he does in this episode, but it's like, this is not something that he is just realizing that he's feeling.
Speaker C:It's like he's been feeling like he's been being dragged down, even if it's, like, nice and warm and sweet for his pretty much whole life, definitely their whole relationship.
Speaker C:And the only thing that, like, pulls him back out is Chris in.
Speaker C:But like, me.
Speaker C:And so, yeah, just Eddie and Wells of various liquid.
Speaker C:That's all.
Speaker A:All right, so we gotta break this down.
Speaker C:When the 118 get on the scene, you know, Chimney's taking point.
Speaker C:He's telling everybody, you know, what to do, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker C:And so he tells Buck and Eddie to take care of the driver that.
Speaker C:That ran into the pedestrians.
Speaker C:And Buck sees Shannon first, and he tries to dissuade Eddie from.
Speaker C:He's like, no, no, no, Eddie, no.
Speaker C:And I think Eddie knows, like, immediately when.
Speaker C:When Buck's expression changes, Eddie knows.
Speaker C:He's like, oh, no.
Speaker C:And there's like, a pit in his stomach and.
Speaker C:And like, you know, the going through, like, the worst possible scenarios.
Speaker C:This is the worst one.
Speaker C:So there's something about, like, that just like, he knows exactly what's going on because he sees it on Buck's face and he.
Speaker C:He immediately turns around and Chimney tries to keep him at bay.
Speaker C:So Chimney is.
Speaker C:Is doing those spouse gloves, you know, like Buck and Eddie were doing to the husband of the lawyer on the porch.
Speaker C:Just trying to, you know, like, keep him out of the way so the paramedics can do their jobs.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But he can't keep them away for long because that is Shannon.
Speaker C:And, like, this is basically what Eddie thought of as his whole future again, kind of maybe, who knows?
Speaker C:Just, like, going up in absolute smoke.
Speaker C:And Shannon, she already did that, but.
Speaker C:Yeah, but I think.
Speaker C:I think Eddie was kind of on.
Speaker C:Trying to hold on to whatever, like, thread string that he could.
Speaker C:With that.
Speaker C:Like, maybe.
Speaker C:Maybe he could convince her otherwise.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So he gets to her, and she's still conscious at that point, and.
Speaker C:And she's like, are you.
Speaker C:Are you here?
Speaker C:Are you actually here?
Speaker C:Which I thought was very much giving the.
Speaker C:Are you hurt?
Speaker C:From 4:13?
Speaker C:Just kind of like in this delirious state of, like, what is happening?
Speaker C:Why are you Here, is this, is this real?
Speaker C:Is this real life?
Speaker C:And you know, it does, it doesn't look good.
Speaker C:So they asked.
Speaker C:So Eddie asks Chimney, like, how bad is it?
Speaker C:And Chimney, to his credit, doesn't pull any punches.
Speaker A:And he says, bad spinal injury, maybe worse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's why they allow Eddie to kind of like, you know, it's this whole theme of when it's your emergency really coming to the forefront again.
Speaker C:And so they load, they start loading Shannon into the ambulance and, and they're.
Speaker C:Her vitals are really trending down, so they have to intubate her and Chimney has to like, asks Eddie, you know, or, or tells him, you know, that if we intubate there's a likely chance that that's not going to come out.
Speaker C:And I think we mentioned earlier, like, Eddie's face is.
Speaker C:He's absolutely destroyed.
Speaker C:He cannot process what's happening.
Speaker C:He doesn't answer.
Speaker C:He just looks like he's going to crumble in on himself.
Speaker C:And Chimney is the one that ultimately makes the decision to allow Eddie these extra moments with Shannon kind of unencumbered like that.
Speaker C:And I can only imagine what's going through Eddie's mind.
Speaker C:It's like he's obviously thinking about Christopher.
Speaker C:Like, we just, we just got her back, Christopher.
Speaker C:Like, what am I going to tell Christopher she's leaving again?
Speaker C:But also like, I, I have to imagine that he is thinking a little bit of himself in this with, with like, what am I gonna do now?
Speaker C:Like, how are we going to do this without you?
Speaker C:Like, I can't believe you're also leaving me again with no note.
Speaker A:But she was already leaving him.
Speaker C:Yeah, but now, but now it's like a worse leaving.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, because it's, it's a no, no coming back for, for the weekend sort of thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, I, this might be a hot take.
Speaker A:I think he's already angry.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:And that's part of the reason that he's crazed looking and saying some insane things.
Speaker C:I think so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because it's like, it again, I don't think it's, he's processing anything fully because it's, it's just shock at this point.
Speaker C:But I think you're right.
Speaker C:I think he is angry with how he was trying so hard to re establish them as a family and trying to do the right thing.
Speaker C:And she shut that down.
Speaker A:She switched the rug out from under him of what he thought.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's thinking, oh no, I've failed her.
Speaker C:And now he's seeing this and he's like, I failed her again.
Speaker C:And I can never, like, set it to right.
Speaker C:I can never do right by her again because I know what's going to happen, and this is how it's going to end.
Speaker A:He'll never be able to figure out if he can be a good husband.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He will never get that opportunity.
Speaker C:So that expectation will never meet a reality in this sense.
Speaker C:He'll never be able to.
Speaker C:To.
Speaker C:To make.
Speaker C:To make it up to her.
Speaker C:To make it up to Chris for driving his mother away, you know, so.
Speaker C:So it's that anger and letting her.
Speaker A:Back in for her to just To.
Speaker C:To leave again.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think there's just a lot going on in his head at one time, and he is trying to, like, be present and focus on her for the little time she has left.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I don't.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So he's.
Speaker C:He's angry at her, but he's more angry at himself.
Speaker A:At himself, yeah.
Speaker B:That's why I feel like the.
Speaker B:The scene where he's reading the letter and he.
Speaker B:He's crying, I feel like it's more than just, like, sadness over her dying.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's more than that.
Speaker B:I think it's like grief and anger as well, like you guys said.
Speaker B:I think that.
Speaker B:I think Ryan's acting really translated more than just, oh, I'm mourning my wife.
Speaker C:You know, it's mourning what could have been.
Speaker A:Oh, it's layered.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker A:It's mourning.
Speaker A:It's mourning, I think most of all mourning the mother of his child.
Speaker A:It's mourning what she'll never get to be for Chris, what she'll never get.
Speaker C:To see, what Chris will never have.
Speaker A:Chris will never have.
Speaker C:Growing up.
Speaker C:Yeah, she's.
Speaker C:He's mourning that Shannon won't be able to watch Chris grow up, and he's mourning that Chris will have to grow up without his mother, especially after he just got her back.
Speaker A:And do you think.
Speaker A:I mean, like, I would think be thinking about this because I just can't shut my brain off, and I always think about every possible.
Speaker A:Possible scenario.
Speaker A:But do you think that he's like, what if I never brought her back into our lives?
Speaker A:She wouldn't be here, but she would be alive.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, what would be the better scenario for.
Speaker C:For Chris and Shannon to have had those last few months full.
Speaker C:Full of joy and happiness and, like, feeling like a normal family just to have that ripped away so it's like they're left with those wonderful and good memories.
Speaker C:At least Chris's, Eddie's are a little more complicated.
Speaker C:But so, yeah, like, what's.
Speaker C:What's the better scenario here to.
Speaker C:To never have those but still have the opportunity to.
Speaker C:For her or for Chris to seek each other out or for her to get completely ripped away, and that can never be repaired.
Speaker B:I feel like this.
Speaker B:This question has gone through his head.
Speaker B:But, like, I'm thinking about in season five when he's having his breakdown, you know, like, you know, he.
Speaker B:He pulled all of those wounded soldiers from that while he was on tour.
Speaker B:So it's kind of like, I saved them, and now, like, they're all dead.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:I think that has.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:It's continuous because it's like, oh, I brought Shannon back and now she's dead.
Speaker B:Now, like, it's.
Speaker B:It's very similar.
Speaker B:So I'm pretty sure he has, like, thought about that.
Speaker B:Like, what if I never brought her back into my life?
Speaker B:Maybe she would have still been alive or something.
Speaker C:I kind of wonder if Eddie sees himself a little bit as, like, this harbinger of death.
Speaker A:Maybe he might.
Speaker A:And that stepped back and looked at everything.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that he is.
Speaker C:Is the.
Speaker B:Maybe that's the sign.
Speaker C:The sign.
Speaker A:Well, speaking of signs, when we are in the hospital after, like, they've called time of death and they're taking the tube out, he's looking at her through glass.
Speaker A:So it's a parallel shot to him looking at.
Speaker A:Looking at the couple in the ambulance.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And also the moment where I think you can look back and go, this is the culmination of Ruined Expectations from the theme of miracles that have been happening for the past couple of episodes.
Speaker A:And the signs.
Speaker A:All of the signs were pointing to, you know, different things.
Speaker C:It's gonna be okay.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:This is exactly what we pointed out in the last couple episodes where, what.
Speaker C:It was broken and.
Speaker C:And we were talking about how with.
Speaker C:With Sonia, the.
Speaker C:The mother who was giving birth and, like, what.
Speaker C:What a miracle it was for her to, like, be on the brink of death and come back.
Speaker C:And even in this episode, so many of the.
Speaker C:The victims and the patients, they were.
Speaker C:They were going to be okay.
Speaker C:Like, the.
Speaker C:The lottery guy was, like, not a spinal.
Speaker C:Like he was gonna live.
Speaker C:They were setting up all of this expectation and as red herrings, and I think a lot of this might have been building a little more throughout the season as well, where it's just like, yes.
Speaker C:And they're gonna be okay until this.
Speaker C:And it's just.
Speaker A:Until it's him.
Speaker C:Until.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:The rug just gets pulled out from under Eddie and The viewer, because we're expecting these miracles have.
Speaker C:Have been happening.
Speaker C:Like, it's incredible that these people are still okay.
Speaker C:Like this guy fell off this building and he's okay until.
Speaker C:Until it's Shannon.
Speaker C:And then it's like, oh, red herring.
Speaker A:Kind of sick.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's kind of sick.
Speaker A:It's interested.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Dirty.
Speaker C:Dirty Tim.
Speaker A:Dirty Tim doing Eddie dirty once again.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, we mean this affectionately.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we gotta go back into the ambulance for a little bit and talk about Eddie.
Speaker A:Come here.
Speaker A:Come closer.
Speaker A:Just be silent.
Speaker A:Just be silent.
Speaker A:I'm not a violent person.
Speaker A:I have never smacked anyone in any way other than like, jokingly.
Speaker B:He deserved to get a little bit of a slap.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Just be silent.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Listen, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm gonna choose to blame the script a little bit on this and I'm gonna choose.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna choose to, like, understand it from the point of view that we were talking about how he's angry and he's experiencing all these emotions and he can't process them and she's speaking and saying these things that he doesn't want to hear.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Because if.
Speaker C:Because if she loved him so much, then she would have still wanted to be married.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:She leaving and he, you know, and it was like, I'll never get answers and you're just going to keep talking and saying more things that are going to make me feel worse.
Speaker C:It's going to haunt him.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So, you know, he says, just be silent, which, you know, is very unfortunately in character for Eddie to just say these out of pocket things we've talked.
Speaker C:About from the very beginning of the season.
Speaker C:How many times he tells people to just like, stop talking.
Speaker C:Could it have been said with a little more.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Hoof of like, you know, save.
Speaker C:Save your energy.
Speaker B:It would have been nice.
Speaker B:It could have been nicer, sure.
Speaker A:But would it have been Eddie?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:And that's the thing.
Speaker C:Just be silent.
Speaker C:Like, coming from the brooding silent type.
Speaker A:Like, I think it would have been my guy better if he would have just been.
Speaker A:If he would have just said stop.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Instead of just be silent.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's the, it's the be silent that's like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Almost condescending.
Speaker C:I know he doesn't mean it that way, but.
Speaker A:No, I know he doesn't, but he's just like.
Speaker C:It's such a wildly unhinged thing to say.
Speaker A:He's like, stop talk.
Speaker A:Like, he really is just like, she.
Speaker A:He needs her to stop talking.
Speaker C:It's just a wildly unhinged thing to say to someone who is dying and is trying to get out their last words.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just like Gloria says, you're supposed to be there and listen, you know, listen to them, comfort them.
Speaker A:Rewatching this with our friend Nikki, who's watching the show for the first time.
Speaker A:And she likes Eddie, for the record.
Speaker A:But even this happened.
Speaker A:She was like, that gave me the ick.
Speaker A:That gave me the ick real bad.
Speaker A:We were like, yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker A:But I was laughing hysterically because him saying that literally sends me into fits of hysteria every time.
Speaker A:Because it's insane.
Speaker C:Wild.
Speaker B:Only Eddie Diaz.
Speaker C:The thing is that it's so in character.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:That makes it even more wild.
Speaker C:Like, that would.
Speaker C:It's just, like, on its face.
Speaker C:Unhinged thing to say.
Speaker B:I think it's just crazy because he's saying it too, to his wife.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, because, like, if you said it to anyone else, I mean, I guess it's like, whatever, but, like, it's yours.
Speaker A:Your wife who is dying.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:So bad.
Speaker B:Son.
Speaker B:Your mother of your son is dying.
Speaker C:Dying.
Speaker C:Maniacal laughter.
Speaker A:You just know if Peppa or Abuela have had heard him say that, they would backhand him.
Speaker B:Oh, the chunkless would have been out.
Speaker C:They would have been flying.
Speaker A:Oh, that's such a great visual.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:I could see it too.
Speaker A:So anyway, now that we've given you a mini segment just on just be.
Speaker C:Silent, which you knew was coming, like, let's be real.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:So then he says after he gets her to stop talking, he's like, God, I love you so much.
Speaker A:Christopher loves you so much.
Speaker A:So we get two.
Speaker A:No, three I love yous.
Speaker A:Because we get one at the restaurant.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he's like, in a weird way at the restaurant, because he's like.
Speaker C:I love you out of obligation.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But it was.
Speaker A:He was saying Christopher loves his mommy.
Speaker A:And he was like, I do too.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's still very much connected to, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think I'll just count this as the second standalone I love you because that other one's still connected to Christopher.
Speaker A:So this is the second time we ever hear him say I love you to his wife, who's been here for how many episodes?
Speaker C:10, kind of.
Speaker A:10 episodes on screen.
Speaker C:Well, since.
Speaker C:Since 207.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Crazy.
Speaker A:You take from that what you will.
Speaker C:She wasn't here for a long time, and she also wasn't here for a good time.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Long story short, it was a bad time.
Speaker A:Like, Rip, I really hope you're resting in peace.
Speaker C:She deserves it, honestly.
Speaker A:You know that she's, like, looking down at him and Anna and him and Marisol, like, trying to scream at the women to warn them.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, there is.
Speaker A:Don't do it.
Speaker A:He'll tell you to shut up when you're dying.
Speaker C:There is a fantastic fic that I read where Shannon comes back.
Speaker C:I think it's the.
Speaker C:Is it the.
Speaker C:The Day of the Dead or you're talking about.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Where.
Speaker C:Where, you know, the.
Speaker C:The veil between worlds is thin.
Speaker C:And she comes back and she.
Speaker C:She and Eddie, like, actually have conversations, and it's just like, she deserved that.
Speaker C:And I'll have.
Speaker C:I'll have to find that, because I.
Speaker A:Do love that fix.
Speaker C:So good.
Speaker C:And it really kind of gives the closure to both of them that they really deserve.
Speaker C:Yeah, but that's what fanfiction is for.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker A:Because he's still set up enough Renda for her.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Even though Chris.
Speaker A:Because Chris and him do it every year.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Chris.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So then it's the.
Speaker C:The funeral procession as they enter the.
Speaker A:Hospital, which is crazy.
Speaker A:So, like, the.
Speaker A:The shot from above, like, after, you know, he says that I love yous, and then they finally start, you know, they intubate her, and he leans back.
Speaker A:Then it's a wide aerial shot of the.
Speaker A:The engine in the ambulance, the aid car, and the sirens are on, but they are literally going slow.
Speaker A:Like it's a funeral procession.
Speaker C:It's kind of like what we see with red down the line.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That whole scene is very much like a funeral procession.
Speaker C:Like, the lights are on, but everyone is just trying to, like.
Speaker C:Like it's a little more slow motion.
Speaker C:Everyone's trying to, like, respect, you know, the fact that not only did they just lose a patient, one of their own just lost their spouse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Kind of in name only, but, I.
Speaker A:Mean, they don't know that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But still, it's so.
Speaker C:So it's like it has even more of, like a grave, like, shroud over the whole thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:These are first responders, and they couldn't save this one.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And it happens sometimes, but it's just even worse because of the fact that it's Shannon.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the whole kind of silent, like, no dialogue, little montage they do once he gets to the hospital is just really eerie, I want to say.
Speaker A:Eerie.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Because he looks like he's, like, dreamwalking, basically.
Speaker A:Like, he's not really there.
Speaker A:Like, he's moving and he's doing the things that he's supposed to do, but He.
Speaker C:He's so disassociated.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:From everything.
Speaker C:Like, he is very much going through the motions.
Speaker C:There's this fantastic shot.
Speaker C:After he receives her effects in this little Ziploc baggie, he exits from wherever that holding station is.
Speaker C:Or saying his last goodbyes to Shannon.
Speaker C:He comes out to the waiting room and it's this shot.
Speaker C:It is a wide shot.
Speaker C:He is so teeny, tiny, small.
Speaker C:And it's just like his head up.
Speaker C:Like, I don't think it's even his shoulders.
Speaker C:It's just like his neck up.
Speaker C:He's in the very like bottom right hand corner or quadrant of the shot.
Speaker C:And it's visually him drowning in the circumstances that he now finds himself in.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Even though he's like, he is just so overwhelmed with what has just happened and he is just like getting buried under this weight of.
Speaker C:Of grief.
Speaker A:I do want to ask if you think there's anything to pick apart in.
Speaker A:When he's walking out holding her belongings and they kind of do a close up on everyone as he passes them.
Speaker C:I definitely think there's something to that because that is his team, that is his family.
Speaker C:It's who he's found where he's meant to be.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Kind of like in the last episode.
Speaker C:Like, this must be the place.
Speaker C:It is a beautiful moment because you see how this affects everyone else as well.
Speaker C:Because they feel so.
Speaker A:Even though they didn't know her.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:Because Eddie did not like to mix.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But they care about him very deeply.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:And you really see like the emotional.
Speaker C:I mean, all of these actors are fantastic emoters.
Speaker C:Like, you see.
Speaker C:You see hen.
Speaker C:You see Chimney, he's in tears for him.
Speaker C:You see Buck.
Speaker C:It's almost like how we saw in Chimney begins that funeral for Kevin.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That kind of like official.
Speaker C:Where they have the.
Speaker C:The people down.
Speaker C:Down both sides of that aisle and Eddie's just walking through.
Speaker C:So kind of like in that sense, but also I think a little bit in that, like, military kind of sense as well.
Speaker C:Because those are structured similarly in that way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:In that, like, official capacity.
Speaker C:And he just goes straight to Bobby.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is.
Speaker A:You think Buck called him.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Listen, if it was established that Buck already called Bobby about Christopher and bringing him to the station, Buck had that unlocked.
Speaker A:And Buck did tell him to talk to Bobby.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Earlier in the episode, if Buck doesn't feel like he's qualified to give advice to Eddie, he's always like, go to Bobby.
Speaker A:Buck knows that Bobby knows better than anyone else what Eddie is going through.
Speaker A:Right now.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't think Hen or Chimney would have had the wherewithal to think about that.
Speaker C:Because we know Chimney is so concerned about, like, oh, my God, like, I let this happen.
Speaker C:I'm at fault here.
Speaker A:They were still giving care to Shannon.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, but.
Speaker C:And yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker C:I think it's Buck because we see Bobby.
Speaker C:He's not already there.
Speaker C:He comes in, like, as Eddie is entering the waiting room, and they just like, meet kind of in the middle.
Speaker C:That's who he leans on.
Speaker A:It's a really sad parallel to the other time we see him hug Bobby, which is in just like deep, deep gratitude.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:For in like, kind of.
Speaker A:I mean, emotional, but like a happy.
Speaker A:Kind of joyous gratitude and having like, you know, a team that has his back and that will care about his kid.
Speaker C:From 204 stock.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:From 204 for allowing Chris to be at the fire station.
Speaker C:And Bobby's like, that's because where else would he be?
Speaker C:So this is kind of where else would Eddie be but with his family at the station.
Speaker C:That includes Bobby.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And then we have the Bobby parallels of just, you know, the.
Speaker A:The losing a wife and the being in the.
Speaker A:The ambulance with them being in the hospital.
Speaker A:It's like slightly different, but it's.
Speaker A:It's so.
Speaker A:It's so.
Speaker C:I mean, for back to back episodes.
Speaker C:It's back to back.
Speaker A:So purposeful.
Speaker A:It's so purposeful.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I mean, at least.
Speaker C:At least Eddie still has critic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, kind of.
Speaker C:Thanks.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:He's not dead.
Speaker A:He's just.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker C:Texas.
Speaker C:Well, we have to talk about the monologue with the letter that's playing over this whole scene with Shannon's letter that we see Eddie reading at the beach.
Speaker C:And I didn't write all of it down, but she's like, this is her letter to Chris, which she.
Speaker C:She said that she hoped she never wanted to send that letter.
Speaker C:And it breaks my heart that, like, we know Chris doesn't read it yet, but that is like, basically her last words to him, kind of.
Speaker C:I'll just pull out a couple.
Speaker C:She says, like, maybe you've already adapted to a world without me.
Speaker C:I fear for that and I hope for it at the same time.
Speaker C:And I think so much of this letter can be read as, you know, Shannon meaning this to Christopher.
Speaker C:But I think Eddie is also reading it for how it speaks to him as well, because he also doesn't get a letter.
Speaker C:So, like, he has to pull whatever meaning he can for something that wasn't even, like, meant for him, which is also kind of sad in a way, because he also has to adapt to her world without Shannon.
Speaker C:She thinks that she's not one of those best things that she wants for Christopher, at least not right now.
Speaker C:So then he's also, like, again, mourning that Christopher doesn't have that time with her.
Speaker C:I think this is really interesting that she writes, you know, that she's made a lot of mistakes, and sometimes she feels like they'll pull her under, and that scares her.
Speaker C:And we really see with that, I think, how similar Shannon and Eddie really are or had been at some point in their lives because they feel that same amount of responsibility weighing them down.
Speaker C:But how they dealt with that was what really made them so different.
Speaker C:That's where the differences, like, kind of diverged, you know, like that shot that I was telling you about, it's like he was getting pulled under by grief.
Speaker C:And Shannon says that she wants Chris's life to be happy and full of joy.
Speaker C:She specifically said full of joy, which I know is a typical thing to say.
Speaker C:She's not sure if that's possible with her in it.
Speaker C:And that can really be read into.
Speaker C:Pertaining to Eddie as well.
Speaker C:Eddie's life needs to be happy and full of joy, but it wasn't possible with Shannon in it.
Speaker C:So he has to adapt to that world without her.
Speaker C:But she also.
Speaker C:Going back to the idea of hope, she hopes that they can move on without her.
Speaker C:And I think, hopefully, like, we're seeing that in our current season, that maybe that hope can be rekindled a little bit.
Speaker C:That, you know, that he.
Speaker C:That Eddie and Christopher can find joy with each other and.
Speaker C:And Eddie can find joy figuring out what he actually wants.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:In life.
Speaker A:So he is.
Speaker A:And what he wants.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:I just really thought the.
Speaker C:It was a poignant letter because it speaks so much to Shannon and Eddie.
Speaker C:Like, you can.
Speaker C:You can really see their similarities and why they were together and.
Speaker C:And how Eddie, like, can take that.
Speaker C:What she wrote and kind of, like, hold it a little bit for himself as well, even though it wasn't, like, intended to be.
Speaker A:So I don't know if he does.
Speaker C:I would hope so, but, I mean, I.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker A:I don't think he does.
Speaker A:Where was my letter?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just to add, I know I talked about Ryan's acting in the.
Speaker B:In that scene, but, I mean, when you tie the.
Speaker B:Just be silent and then you're tying.
Speaker B:Because, you know, he's saying that as she's trying to say her last words and we touched upon, like, his anger in that possible anger in that moment.
Speaker B:It's kind of like he.
Speaker B:I mean, he.
Speaker B:Yeah, he couldn't process in the moment when she was dying and trying to.
Speaker B:Trying to speak.
Speaker B:But then he's, you know, at this beach where, you know, beach is like, tranquility and.
Speaker B:And trying to, like, I don't know, like, it's kind of therapeutic trying to get on your get.
Speaker B:I mean, I would go there to kind of get to kind of reflect, I would say.
Speaker B:So, like, he's.
Speaker C:Quiet reflection.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Quiet reflection.
Speaker B:And I think that's the moment when he can actually, like, she's not there to say the things or to give him any closure.
Speaker B:That letter is the closest thing to closure that he's ever going to get.
Speaker B:And that is why the whole, like, where's.
Speaker B:Where was my letter?
Speaker B:So that will stick to him for a long time as he's trying to process the loss of his life.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like, literally.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I think the last thing I want to say on this is, like, during this montage with the letter overlaid over it, we see, you know, we go from that hug between Eddie and Bobby to Bobby going home to Athena and them just, like, embracing.
Speaker C:And so that parallel between Bobby and Eddie being people who have lost their families or lost their wives.
Speaker C:But Bobby has a.
Speaker C:Has a new anchor in Athena and he's had.
Speaker C:He had lost that hope, but he's gained it again with her.
Speaker C:Meanwhile, we see Eddie going home to Chris and Abuela, and Eddie has to break the news to Chris.
Speaker C:And we don't hear it, but we see kind of like how he just breaks down and it's Chris who leans up to hug Eddie.
Speaker C:Chris is always Eddie's support system.
Speaker C:So as.
Speaker C:And I think that maybe can be paralleled a little bit with 413 with buck and Chris.
Speaker C:But yeah, so just the fact that, like, Eddie is telling Chris, you know, what happened and breaking the news to him and just kind of like, crumbling, but it's Chris who leans up to him and kind of, like, supports him and hugs him, and that's how their relationship goes.
Speaker A:Okay, let's get into the most random assortment of things for Slow burn you've ever heard.
Speaker A:Starting with.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:This is slow burn because they had to keep the.
Speaker C:The heat on for the chocolate.
Speaker A:Jesus Christ.
Speaker A:It's warm.
Speaker C:It's warm and sweet.
Speaker A:With his whole dining room table full of wedding planning materials is a sneak peek at what Buck is going to be doing, what he's going to look like Whenever he's planning his and Eddie's wedding.
Speaker C:Friedzilla.
Speaker A:Like 100.
Speaker A:Like father, like son.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, Bobby's the only one who has never been like, oh, my God, don't give Buck a clipboard, because where do you think he learned that?
Speaker B:Very.
Speaker C:Just very organized.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:100.
Speaker A:Then we have her friend Julie's favorite chim says, word of the day is hose maintenance.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Bro.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:And hen goes, okay, I'm out.
Speaker A:Which, like, fair, fair, fair.
Speaker A:She's like, I want nothing to do with hoses.
Speaker A:Goodbye.
Speaker A:Yeah, goodbye.
Speaker A:And then we cut.
Speaker A:And then we immediately cut to Buck and Eddie rolling a hose up together.
Speaker A:Because they've never heard of efficiency.
Speaker A:They are sold as a set.
Speaker A:Do not separate them.
Speaker A:They're working on the hose maintenance together because it's a.
Speaker C:It's a two person job.
Speaker C:You know those tick tocks of the.
Speaker C:Of the actual firefighters.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, everything is a two person job.
Speaker A:Person job.
Speaker C:And all of the comments are always just like, this is bucket.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's so real.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay, so I'll just go before I forget the.
Speaker C:What I was just talking about with Eddie breaking the news to Christopher and Chris being the one to kind of like, almost console him.
Speaker C:So that is.
Speaker C:Seems very similar to what we see in.
Speaker C:Is it survivors, I guess, 414 after the shooting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Where Buck is like, I have to break this to Christopher.
Speaker C:I don't know if Eddie's gonna be okay.
Speaker C:Like, what do I even say to this kid who's already at this point lost his mom and he's just the one, like, crumbling and collapsing?
Speaker C:Because it's also Eddie.
Speaker C:And that's his.
Speaker C:That's his partner.
Speaker C:That's his best friend.
Speaker C:Chris is the one to kind of like, be that shoulder for them as well.
Speaker C:So it really shows, like, that, like, family dynamic that they have.
Speaker C:And Chris is just like the cornerstone of that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Relationship for both of them.
Speaker C:So much.
Speaker C:And then I also have with the vat of molten chocolate, where Eddie always feels like he's drowning, being pulled down by but chocolate.
Speaker C:And it's warm and it's sweet.
Speaker C:Who were the ones to keep the.
Speaker C:The guy.
Speaker C:The teacher guy who fell in afloat.
Speaker C:And that's Buck and Eddie.
Speaker C:So logically, if one of.
Speaker C:If one of them, especially because Buck was almost about to fall in, but Eddie.
Speaker C:Eddie, like, kept him stable on the ladder.
Speaker C:But, like, if Eddie feels like he's metaphorically, you know, being pulled down and drowning, well, who's gonna keep him afloat?
Speaker A:It's Buck and Vice versa.
Speaker A:Because they have each other's backs or shoulders.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is how he, like, keeps Buck from falling in.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's like the classic buddy shoulder touch.
Speaker A:But, like, it's the same hand and shoulder.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's every time.
Speaker A:Why didn't we talk about.
Speaker A:We know.
Speaker A:We did talk about that.
Speaker A:It's the Dean and Cash all over again.
Speaker C:We talked about that in our live stream.
Speaker C:We should.
Speaker C:We should do, like, an actual segment on that somewhere.
Speaker C:Miniso.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:100%.
Speaker B:A single man tear looking at Shannon's body.
Speaker B:And if you guys didn't know that, too.
Speaker B:And that was from the fan fiction episode of Supernatural.
Speaker A:We have a musical.
Speaker B:Yes, the musical.
Speaker A:Not a musical episode.
Speaker A:An actual musical inside an episode.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker C:I think it's the only thing that 911 doesn't have.
Speaker C:Which.
Speaker B:Tick tock, guys.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I kind of.
Speaker B:Now I feel like I need it.
Speaker B:Because if all of the other shows that I watch have a musical episode, it's true.
Speaker B:I kind of need that now, even if I don't want it.
Speaker B:But I might want it.
Speaker A:Well, just tell yourselves it can't be worse than Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker C:Then they'll see it as a challenge.
Speaker A:Yeah, but, like, when this show does it bad, they do it on purpose, and then it ends up being, like, good bad.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Yeah, it would be.
Speaker C:It would be enjoyable.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Continue.
Speaker B:Anyway, a single man's hair looking at Shannon's body, which parallels to his single man tear looking at Buck in a coma in season six.
Speaker C:This is also what we were talking about with the whole, like, not wanting to intubate Shannon and then Eddie not really being able to make full contact, you know, while Buck is in the hospital bed on a respirator.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's intubated.
Speaker A:He does not want to look at it because he doesn't want to think about how, like, Chimney said the chances of, like, once they're in an intubator coming off are not great.
Speaker C:He's already experienced, like, well, the chances of that.
Speaker C:It already didn't work the one time.
Speaker C:That was not their miracle.
Speaker C:No, but maybe Buck was the miracle.
Speaker B:What's interesting about that scene, you know, you also have Christopher.
Speaker B:That's just like, talking to Buck, and it's kind of like it speaks to, I guess, the hope that.
Speaker B:That Christopher brings or, like, you know, we were just talking about how, like, he's kind of like, Eddie's shoulder to cry on and Buck's Shoulder to cry on when.
Speaker B:When.
Speaker B:I guess when the opposite parent is in.
Speaker B:I guess I don't want to say the word in peril, but when they're.
Speaker B:When they're like, I guess, not at their best.
Speaker B:At their best, you know, there's.
Speaker C:There's a lot that can be drawn between the Shannon dying scenes and Buck's coma.
Speaker A:If you want to compare reactions again, I know I play this comparison game.
Speaker A:I'm not doing it to try and be mean.
Speaker C:We're just drawing the parallel.
Speaker A:I'm literally just like, control A, control B, like, what's the difference between them?
Speaker A:But, you know, the way that he reacts when he sees Buck up there hanging and he fucking is screaming and running up there without a harness, and then out of his mind, tries to pull him up.
Speaker A:And, like, when he sees Shannon, they do have to hold him back a little bit.
Speaker A:But, like, you know, then he.
Speaker A:Then he calmly is like, Shannon, like, he's very.
Speaker A:He's soft.
Speaker A:He's not yelling.
Speaker A:He's not.
Speaker C:With Buck, he springs into action immediately.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:With Shannon, he's kind of like, huh?
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And doesn't know what action to take.
Speaker B:Shannon is motionless on the ground, and then Buck is also motionless, you know, hanging from the ladder.
Speaker A:Suspended.
Speaker B:Suspended.
Speaker B:So it's kind of like, yeah, there is supposed to be some sense of urgency because he's hanging from.
Speaker B:He's suspended from that.
Speaker B:From the ladder.
Speaker B:But, like, they are both motionless.
Speaker B:So, like, the instant which Shannon should have been, like, the reactions are vastly different.
Speaker B:Like, again, there's supposed to be a sense of.
Speaker B:Like I said, there should be a sense of urgency because that person, the Buck, is hanging from the ladder truck.
Speaker B:And then Shannon being on the ground, he should have tried to, like, I guess, push his way to her.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:I do know what you mean.
Speaker C:I think it's a little bit different because, like, the paramedics were already actively assessing Shannon.
Speaker C:So on one hand, I don't really think there was a lot that he could have done.
Speaker C:But with Buck there, there was nobody helping him yet.
Speaker C:So Eddie, was that.
Speaker C:That immediate assistance, because everyone else was just kind of like, what just happened.
Speaker C:But he did spring into action.
Speaker C:So it's kind of like an opposite in that.
Speaker C:In that way.
Speaker A:Well, okay, but my point is how everyone else was reacting to looking at Buck because everyone else who hadn't gotten struck by lightning.
Speaker A:Eddie did.
Speaker B:Yeah, sorry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Everyone else was standing there staring, which is kind of like the initial.
Speaker A:Like, what the.
Speaker A:Is happening?
Speaker A:What do I do Response that's what I was saying.
Speaker A:Your friend, when it's your friend, when it's your partner, soulmate, and you're, you flip the out and you just do whatever needs to be done, even if it's digging on the ground with your bare hands.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:There's like, irrational things.
Speaker A:So, like, yes, he was helping him, but he was doing it in an irrational way.
Speaker A:He went up there without getting harnessed in.
Speaker A:He tried to pull him up instead of leveraging him down.
Speaker A:So that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker A:Like, and think about when we talked about comparing reactions and chimney begins.
Speaker A:How chimney is like, frozen.
Speaker C:Yeah, I, I, Okay.
Speaker C:So to that extent as well, it's like, so Eddie has that more irrational spring into action mode for Buck later on with Eddie and Shannon, he, he does kind of try to rush over to her and, and chimney stops him.
Speaker C:But it's not an irrational thing because Eddie is still in, like, medic mode because he's like, how bad?
Speaker C:Spinal.
Speaker C:Like, you know, he's asking these, this kind of like, procedure of questions to, to figure out what.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, he's almost treating her like a patient and not as his wife.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:So it's not level of detachment.
Speaker A:They're treating him with spouse gloves, but he doesn't, he doesn't need them.
Speaker A:Them.
Speaker B:He's not acting like one because he's not acting like a spouse or feel like one.
Speaker A:Technically.
Speaker A:Or feel like a spouse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that's, that was my point with that, that parallel, I guess since we're talking about parallels, talking about romantic versus platonic, let's talk about Hen and Chim's conversation.
Speaker A:See how they were feeling a little insecure or worried about where they were standing in their friendship with each other.
Speaker A:And then they, and then they had a conversation where they talked about it.
Speaker A:And then it was great because it just continued to strengthen their friendship.
Speaker A:And they knew where they stood.
Speaker A:And when they said, we're best friends and that's never going to change, that that was actually true.
Speaker C:Imagine just best friends being best friends.
Speaker A:Imagine if, like, either one of them had instigated a.
Speaker A:I mean, so many times.
Speaker A:But think about when Eddie leaves the 118 and they're both acting fucking weird as hell.
Speaker A:And like, they could have just had a conversation if they were regular friends about what this means.
Speaker A:Just because I'm not at the 1:18 doesn't mean that we're not still best friends.
Speaker A:Nothing's gonna change.
Speaker C:Then everything changes.
Speaker C:Everything has changed.
Speaker C:Like, let's be Real.
Speaker C:They were still in the same city.
Speaker C:They were still in the same house slash apartment.
Speaker C:They could have made the time to see each other outside of work.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Which I, I feel like is what hen and chimney would have done.
Speaker C:Yes, because they would have made the effort to continue with their friendship that way.
Speaker C:But like Buck and Eddie are so just like if we're not together we can.
Speaker C:I can't see you at all.
Speaker A:Like instead we get Buck chasing Ravi with a chainsaw.
Speaker A:We get Eddie showing up and looking forlornly a book, having God forbid, laughing and having fun with people who aren't him.
Speaker A:And then he sulks and leaves.
Speaker A:Like I'm just saying if they were actually just regular friends.
Speaker A:I know that they're both dudes, but they're pretty emotionally mature and intelligent.
Speaker A:Especially like in talking about other things with each other.
Speaker A:But when it comes to talking about how they feel about each other, they don't talk about that.
Speaker C:And that is like the only time where they're like silent communication fails them.
Speaker C:And, and like I understand why.
Speaker C:Because they're so used to just like knowing what the other is thinking.
Speaker C:Except when it comes to big feelings.
Speaker C:Because then they're like, no, it's too big.
Speaker C:I can't burden the other one with my big feelings.
Speaker C:They just kind of get in their own way about stuff like that.
Speaker C:And it's like that is not platonic.
Speaker C:Those are feelings bigger than just best friendship.
Speaker A:You shouldn't feel like bereft like you have lost and really spouse.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:You shouldn't feel, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like if you have slightly less say you, your best friends and you work together, your best friend gets another job.
Speaker A:But you still live in the same like like Rachel said, you still live in the same city, you're still very close with their kid.
Speaker A:Why are you guys acting like you're going through a divorce?
Speaker C:They really are.
Speaker C:And I think.
Speaker A:Quick question.
Speaker C:And I think it's also because Eddie doesn't know how to do again it's that he doesn't know how to like not compartmentalize.
Speaker C:Where Porcino lost dose like he doesn't know that he can do that.
Speaker C:So he thinks he has to have like a hard cut off with everything of his previous life because then one he misses it too much and he, and he thinks that like he might be tempted to go back to it but also like he doesn't realize that he can have both because that is the thing that makes him happy.
Speaker C:And if he's doing this for Christopher, he can't be happy because he can't do what he wants.
Speaker C:Like, Christopher has expressed a want to Eddie of, you know, being worried that Eddie will get harmed on the job.
Speaker C:So Eddie, who's, like, one of the only things that he's chosen for himself is his vocation, is his career as a firefighter is like, I can't have that anymore.
Speaker C:So I can't have anything related to that because that will bring me joy.
Speaker C:And what is related to that is Buck.
Speaker C:So he's like, I have to completely, like, cut out a part of myself in order to survive for what my son wants.
Speaker C:And I can't have any joy beyond.
Speaker C:Like, that isn't, you know, fulfilling what.
Speaker C:What my son wants.
Speaker A:Let's bring in, like, a later Hen and Chim thing.
Speaker A:When Chim goes after Maddie, she offers to go with him.
Speaker A:And I don't know, that would have been a normal, platonic thing to do.
Speaker A:When Eddie said, I can help you move.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know, I just.
Speaker A:That could have been a thing.
Speaker A:And also, wow, the fact that, like, they stay in contact and, like, yeah, they miss each other, but again, they aren't acting like their lives are ruined because they aren't.
Speaker C:They're not, like, looking out a window, like.
Speaker C:No, like, as.
Speaker C:Like a widow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, waiting.
Speaker A:No, because their lives.
Speaker A:Their lives don't revolve around each other.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:But seriously, because if you're platonic friends, your entire world does not revolve around each other.
Speaker C:No, this.
Speaker C:This really is what that is.
Speaker C:Because, like, anytime, like, Eddie or Buck, like, are somewhere else, the other one is like, that wife on that widow's walk waiting for her husband to come home from war.
Speaker C:Looking.
Speaker C:Looking for the.
Speaker C:Through the lighthouse.
Speaker C:Just, like, waiting for that ship to come into harbor again, just like.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's not platonic.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's the very opposite we can talk about in Buck, actually, with the.
Speaker C:It was Thomas and Mitchell assuming that Buck is consoling Thomas in the back of an ambulance about, you know, losing his husband.
Speaker C:And then when Buck kind of when Thomas goes to say goodbye to Mitchell, which is also kind of very similar to.
Speaker C:With, like, chimney telling Eddie, like, you know, go say goodbye to your wife.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So meanwhile, Thomas is saying goodbye to Mitchell, and we're still on Buck for a minute.
Speaker C:And then we realize that Thomas has then passed away as well.
Speaker C:And Buck discovers them, and he's.
Speaker C:He's, like, inconsolable.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker C:I remember because we talked about this.
Speaker C:He calls, like, Eddie over and then Bobby, but Eddie is the one to like, comfort Buck as well.
Speaker C:It's kind of flipped with Shannon because Buck again is the first one to see that it is Shannon that has been hit.
Speaker C:But the way he looks over to Eddie, he's trying to protect Eddie, so he's trying to prevent that.
Speaker C:So it's that parallel and that flip of having each other's back again of like trying to console, protect before Eddie even like has to see that.
Speaker C:So I don't know, I think that was like a nice narrative parallel with that.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:So like the, the.
Speaker C:This doesn't change anything.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We hear that with hen and chimney, but later we will also hear that in season seven with an Eddie.
Speaker C:And it's just, just one of those things when Eddie has decided something is tis what it is.
Speaker C:But it, but it also kind of like changes everything.
Speaker A:This is never true when Eddie says it.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, that's what I was trying to get at.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:He is a lying liar who lies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This doesn't change anything.
Speaker A:He's trying to gaslight himself.
Speaker A:Yeah, this doesn't change anything.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, the only thing I'm gonna say about that is like when he says that about him and Buck, I mean.
Speaker B:Well, I guess it's yet to be seen if things have changed or if things are going to change between them.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Because I was going to say, as far as their relationship goes right now, currently I would say their dynamic hasn't changed maybe a little bit now in season eight.
Speaker B:But like, you know, when, when Buck comes out in season seven, like, they were still, like they were still good.
Speaker B:However, for Eddie, you know, he starts spiraling and then in this case with like the whole Shannon of it all, I mean, there's the event that happens.
Speaker B:There's the whole fact that she wants a divorce.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker B:So it's like a two way.
Speaker B:It could be taken two ways.
Speaker B:So you're right.
Speaker B:Their relationship could.
Speaker A:So things have definitely changed.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna like, give him a pass for part of it because, like, Christopher is a huge factor.
Speaker A:Yeah, he goes over right after Tommy breaks up with him and then they don't talk about it.
Speaker A:They just sit there and they don't talk.
Speaker C:Yeah, for.
Speaker C:For Buck and Eddie, who really do have these like deep conversations like every.
Speaker C:Every half season.
Speaker C:You know, like the, the lack thereof in season eight is.
Speaker C:Well, that's, that's kind of different.
Speaker C:That's not the usual dynamic between the two of them.
Speaker C:True.
Speaker A:The only time we don't see Eddie Weighing in on a relationship of bucks at all, really, is Allie, because everyone just forgot she existed most of the time.
Speaker B:No one knows her.
Speaker B:Invisible girlfriend.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Take two.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:She's more of the invisible girlfriend than Abby.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then, you know, then we see how he feels about Abby this upcoming.
Speaker C:Season and fiance's Abby.
Speaker C:I can't believe that he could have had the opportunity to say that twice.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:His fiance was Abby again.
Speaker C:Wait, does Eddie even know?
Speaker A:Right, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:I don't think he does, because they aren't talking.
Speaker A:They aren't talking about serious things, and they haven't talked about serious things at all since Buck came out to him.
Speaker A:The only thing serious that they have talked about, serious conversation they had was about Eddie moving.
Speaker A:Was about Eddie's crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:When he was like, hey, maybe don't do this crazy.
Speaker A:Maybe don't lead this woman on.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker A:Great talk.
Speaker A:So that was.
Speaker A:That was a serious talk.
Speaker C:It was like a halfway of that kind of conversation, you know, and then.
Speaker A:Again when Eddie asked him to come over.
Speaker A:And so Eddie tells him very poorly, like, what happened, like, in the most insane, unhinged possible way, without being clear at all.
Speaker C:Eddie does not give good context for any of this stuff either.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Which is why I like my head cannon and I'll die on this hill until they.
Speaker A:They say otherwise.
Speaker A:I've.
Speaker A:I think Buck thinks that Eddie slept with Kim, because that is what Eddie basically said.
Speaker A:Anyway, that was the last serious talk they had.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So this doesn't change anything.
Speaker C:Changes everything.
Speaker A:Doesn't change anything.
Speaker A:And then the next episode.
Speaker A:What the fuck is he doing at the bachelor party?
Speaker A:How he's treating Tommy, how he's treating Buck.
Speaker A:He's like, oh, it's about you.
Speaker A:Oh, the wedding's about you.
Speaker A:Oh, I didn't know you could bring a date to the wedding.
Speaker A:Like, sure.
Speaker A:He, like, has ribbed Buck about this before.
Speaker A:Like, not about this, but, like, oh, you're gonna make it about you.
Speaker A:But, like, that was very obviously a joke.
Speaker A:This one, Buck looks like, like, what the.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, like, what did you just say to me?
Speaker B:Okay, to your point, I mean, there's also.
Speaker B:There's also the way he treats him at the.
Speaker B:At the hospital during the.
Speaker B:The Boy not the boils.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker B:When he, like, I think, dislocates his shoulder.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And masks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:How he can't look at him, but he keeps kind of looking.
Speaker C:So, like, Eddie.
Speaker C:Eddie says to book that this doesn't change anything between us, but it sure Changes things between Eddie and Tommy for sure.
Speaker C:Because that just doesn't.
Speaker C:That friendship doesn't exist anymore after that.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:No, the.
Speaker A:The friendship they have is that Eddie's there as a chaperone for most of their dates, most of their time together.
Speaker A:It seems just to say that, like, this doesn't change anything.
Speaker A:It doesn't actually mean anything coming out of Eddie's mouth.
Speaker A:Like, to me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because of the two times he said it.
Speaker C:That I'm like, yeah, because it does it, though.
Speaker C:It doesn't hold it.
Speaker C:Because it doesn't hold any weight.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Well, the whole reason that he was even doing what he was doing with Shannon was because he thought she was pregnant.
Speaker A:And then to be like, this doesn't change anything.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:But it does.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker C:The thing is, though, with.
Speaker C:With Shannon, he says, this doesn't change anything for me, where it's also like, he has made that decision, like, kind of unilaterally.
Speaker C:It's like, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker A:You know what I'd be really interested to know.
Speaker A:This is such a stupid thing.
Speaker A:I'd be really interested to know if he ever refers to Shannon and him as us.
Speaker C:Ooh.
Speaker A:Like, they're.
Speaker A:Like, they're partners.
Speaker A:Like, they're a team.
Speaker A:Like they're a thing.
Speaker A:Because he says to Buck, this doesn't change a thing between us.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, we're still gonna be Buck and Eddie.
Speaker A:We're still gonna be us.
Speaker C:As.
Speaker C:As opposed to with Shannon.
Speaker C:Like, this doesn't change anything for me.
Speaker C:Ooh.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:We'll have to pay attention to that going.
Speaker C:Going forward, especially after this episode.
Speaker C:So he's like, you know, coloring everything with, you know, wearing the rose colored glasses about their relationship.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And maybe.
Speaker C:Maybe he says that.
Speaker A:I don't think he ever said it to her, though, is what I'm saying.
Speaker C:No, because I was like, maybe he's kind of said, you know, him and Shannon as a.
Speaker C:As a unit, as a parental unit when talking to Chris, but I don't think really, like, as a true partnership, like, adult relationship.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it's different when you say us in, like, a romantic relationship sense versus, like, us.
Speaker A:When you're talking to other people, talking about you and someone else.
Speaker A:That's us.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'm not sure.
Speaker C:I'm not sure he has.
Speaker C:Because it's all.
Speaker C:Because it's.
Speaker C:He keeps everything in their own little separate boxes.
Speaker C:It's always, like, Shannon and Christopher and, like, and.
Speaker C:And then Eddie.
Speaker C:So it's like Shannon and Christopher in a little box.
Speaker C:But then Eddie is separate, you know, so they're never like a combined unit.
Speaker A:Okay, so then I do want to look at a couple things that we did talk about, but from a queer coding lens.
Speaker C:Go for it.
Speaker C:Because that's what.
Speaker C:That's what we're here.
Speaker A:I need to know what you want.
Speaker A:I want this dais on the beach with my son and his mother.
Speaker A:Is that what I am to you?
Speaker A:Because if it is, I need to know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Again, this is just something.
Speaker A:Do you want a relationship with someone or not?
Speaker A:This is not hard.
Speaker A:Like, I get that it's a little complicated because, like, yes, you have history, blah, blah, blah, but it's like, do.
Speaker A:Are you attracted to this person romantically?
Speaker A:Do you want a relationship with them?
Speaker A:Do you want to try?
Speaker A:Because then, then you can have a conversation about if you can make it work.
Speaker C:And it's never, it's never with my son and the woman who I love, even though he does express that love to her, but he.
Speaker C:It's like he can love her, but is he in love with her?
Speaker C:Yeah, and that's.
Speaker C:That's really the question because I think.
Speaker C:I think it is very clear that Eddie.
Speaker C:Eddie does love Shannon.
Speaker C:He has a lot of love for her as a person, as, you know, his.
Speaker C:His childhood best friend, as Christopher's mother.
Speaker C:But I don't think he's in love with her and he doesn't realize there's a difference.
Speaker A:He wouldn't know because I don't think he's ever been in a romantic love.
Speaker C:No, I don't think so.
Speaker C:And I don't think he knows that there is a difference.
Speaker C:Is.
Speaker C:Is the thing too.
Speaker C:So like, how.
Speaker C:How would he know?
Speaker C:So he, like, he.
Speaker C:He literally doesn't know on that front either.
Speaker C:Just like, is there.
Speaker C:Is there more that he can.
Speaker C:That his heart can.
Speaker C:Can find in anyone or is this it?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And it's never, it's never a question of like, you know, well, maybe they never, they never even kind of discuss with each other if they'd seen other people while they were separated.
Speaker C:That's never come up at all.
Speaker A:No, they don't talk about anything that you should talk about.
Speaker C:And like, I get, I get why.
Speaker A:Things like, I can write off a lot of stuff of them younger being younger.
Speaker A:That is like you're grown ass adults now.
Speaker A:Like, there's no reason that you shouldn't be able to like, have at least some basic communication.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:About a relationship, especially with how, how.
Speaker C:Quickly they Kind of, like, fell into bed with each other.
Speaker C:It's like, well, what if Shannon had been seeing someone because she was gone for however many years, and, like, she had a whole other life that we never actually even got to see that.
Speaker C:That side either, which is also kind of interesting.
Speaker C:I would.
Speaker C:I would like to explore that somewhere, somehow, so we never see that.
Speaker C:I think it's fairly safe to say that on Eddie's side, there was nobody.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Or at least nobody, like, longer than.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker A:Listen, if I asked someone if they wanted to be with me, whether we had dated before, whether we were, like, maybe working up to something, if I flat out was like, I need to know, like, what this is, you know, what you want from me, and they.
Speaker C:Go, oh, no, hold on.
Speaker A:Wait.
Speaker A:No, I have to read the exact quote.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:These last few months have been good.
Speaker A:Really good.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Guess I'm just waiting for a sign, something to know which way to step, boy.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker C:Like, Shannon, have a little more, like, respect for yourself.
Speaker B:Good girl.
Speaker A:Like, I get it.
Speaker B:Pretty.
Speaker A:We have eyes.
Speaker C:We see.
Speaker A:But good Lord.
Speaker A:Like, that cannot meet your emotional needs.
Speaker B:He said, oh, I, I, I want this.
Speaker B:I want it.
Speaker B:I want, you know, this being at the beach with my son and his mother and, like, him not being able to answer the question of.
Speaker B:Is that, you know, like, is that all I am to you?
Speaker B:Like, a girl?
Speaker A:But I think this and then her not being pregnant is why she's like, okay, yeah, we're divorced.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because not only does she need to figure herself out, she's like, he obviously needs to figure himself out, but she's obviously not going to say that to him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:In Haunted, didn't she think, like, with them, you know, getting back together, that that meant that they were getting back together?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:That was a reconciliation.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what she says.
Speaker C:So she, she was under that.
Speaker C:That way of thinking.
Speaker C:And now we see that her perspective as kind of.
Speaker B:He was never there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He was never there with her.
Speaker C:But now in this episode, we see, like, her perspective has kind of changed.
Speaker C:And that was, I think, that that scare.
Speaker C:And then realizing that.
Speaker C:That she wasn't pregnant because she said that she was like, like, so afraid of, you know, like, what that meant.
Speaker C:So that was the push to get her to realize, like, okay, I want.
Speaker C:I want something different.
Speaker C:Like, we're not gonna do this again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think it's just his utter, like, it cannot be clearer.
Speaker A:Like, listen, we can write off.
Speaker A:Because I think it's largely headcanoned in fandom that he's Demi.
Speaker C:I think we all prescribe to that or subscribe to it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you can write off Anna and Marisol because, like, there's not, like, a deep connection there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:How are you writing off this?
Speaker A:How are we writing off his Just complete disinterest in anything resembling an actual relationship or commit commitment.
Speaker A:The fact that he doesn't want to commit until he knows or thinks that there's another baby on the way.
Speaker A:There's your sign.
Speaker A:Like when he.
Speaker A:Like when he's having that conversation with.
Speaker A:With Bobby in season seven.
Speaker C:Season seven.
Speaker A:Eight.
Speaker C:No, it's seven.
Speaker A:Seven.
Speaker A:Seven.
Speaker A:About Marisol.
Speaker C:Yeah, that You.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Seven.
Speaker C:Commit to something.
Speaker A:Season seven about Marisol.
Speaker A:And he's like, you don't have.
Speaker A:Like, have.
Speaker A:Seem to have trouble committing to some things.
Speaker A:And it's like, okay, but, like, Bobby doesn't actually know.
Speaker A:I mean, he does know a little bit, like, how he was hemming and hawing, but, like, I don't think he knows the depths to which.
Speaker A:No, he was doing that.
Speaker A:So I just.
Speaker A:He's just rewritten history, Eddie has in his head of what this relationship was and how important it was to him.
Speaker A:Because here's the literal proof in front of our faces, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker A:Show me where it is that he was really wanting to throw himself into committing to her as a husband.
Speaker A:No, literally, the literal quote is him going, I guess the question is, can I be a good husband?
Speaker A:Not do I want to be a husband?
Speaker A:Never, do I want to be a good husband?
Speaker A:And Bobby goes, are you ready to ask that question?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:The answer is no to both of those.
Speaker C:And I think that is the only misstep that.
Speaker C:That Bobby gives.
Speaker C:It should also.
Speaker C:It should be amended to be like.
Speaker C:And also, are you ready to ask yourself if you want to be?
Speaker C:Because, again, that's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Eddie.
Speaker C:Eddie never asks himself or Eddie never says, like, whether he wants to be in the marriage, if he wants to be Shannon, like, specifically Shannon's husband.
Speaker C:I think he liked being married or the idea of being married and what the idea of that means for him.
Speaker C:But again, that expectation versus reality thing don't really match up.
Speaker C:And it's because he doesn't want to be in that relationship with Shan or in a relationship kind of with anybody.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because every time we see him get into a relationship, it's because he thinks.
Speaker C:He needs to, and it's never again.
Speaker C:It's never taking what he wants into consideration.
Speaker C:He's like, with Anna.
Speaker C:Oh, yes, Chris Loves her.
Speaker C:She's great with kids.
Speaker C:She's perfect on paper, which, like, she is.
Speaker A:Seems like it was time to, like, get back out there, because Bobby said so.
Speaker C:And then with Marisol, it was like, at the.
Speaker C:At the behest of Peppa was setting him up on dates.
Speaker C:He's like, I guess I have to get back out there because that's what's expected.
Speaker A:I'm my own person because I don't want to be set up with someone.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I'm.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm gonna take the reins on that, but not because I want.
Speaker A:Go try and pick up some women.
Speaker C:At the golf course and then at the.
Speaker C:The Home Depot or whatever it is.
Speaker C:And it's just like, again, it's never because he wants to.
Speaker C:It's because he thinks that's what's expected of him.
Speaker B:And what I said, it's like, another role.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That he needs.
Speaker B:If he.
Speaker B:He feels that he needs to fulfill.
Speaker C:You know, and even with Marisol, when we see, like, he can't.
Speaker C:He really doesn't have game because he can't even text her without help from Chris.
Speaker C:And that's also so how he knows that Chris is on board.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because Chris gets excited for him.
Speaker C:So he's like, I guess this must be the right thing to do, even though, like, I'm dreading sending this text message because I don't actually want to, so.
Speaker C:And I guess we should move in together, because that's what's expected of us.
Speaker C:But I don't really want to Every.
Speaker C:Every.
Speaker C:I know this is getting Eddie into Eddie as, like, larger.
Speaker C:Larger picture sort of thing, but, like, Eddie, any relationship milestone that he has with anybody is always met with, like, this.
Speaker C:This facial expression of just kind of, like, dread because he doesn't actually want any of that.
Speaker A:But not with a woman.
Speaker C:But he already has all of that without even trying in book.
Speaker C:The end.
Speaker C:The end.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know if you guys notice more things in this episode with the queer coding or.
Speaker A:Well, anything else that we missed, please let us know.
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Speaker A:We sure do.
Speaker A:Sure do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Can't wait to discuss next week's episode.
Speaker C:I can't believe we're almost at the end of God.
Speaker A:I'm so excited for season three.
Speaker C:Me too.
Speaker B:We're gonna have guests.
Speaker C:We're almost there, guys.
Speaker A:Gonna have guests.
Speaker C:It's gonna be big.
Speaker A:It's gonna be.
Speaker C:It's gonna be the title.
Speaker A:It's gonna be biblical.
Speaker C:Where was that in season seven?
Speaker C:Never mind Biblical.
Speaker C:I mean, it was the.
Speaker A:The fire, but Marisol was almost a nun.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, that was it.
Speaker A:That's the closest we have.
Speaker A:Eddie's inability to get it up because.
Speaker B:Of his Catholic guilt.
Speaker A:Guilt.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what the kids are calling homosexuality these days.
Speaker C:I'm pretty sure that's what they've always called it.
Speaker A:It's true.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker C:Okay.
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