Thunder Road (2x16: Bobby Begins Again)
Bobby just can’t face himself alone again.
Have you ever had your heartstrings pulled so tight that you thought they might snap? This week we are thrown into the emotional whirlwind of Season 2, Episode 16 of 9-1-1 "Bobby Begins Again," where Bobby Nash’s past collides with his present.
From the harrowing fire that changed his life to the stark reality of his new beginning in Los Angeles, we get an intimate look at the man under the helmet.
Han, Cil, and Rachel analyze the themes of grief, guilt, redemption, the quest for forgiveness, and how Bobby's life-altering decisions not only shape his character but echo through the lives of those around him.
But this isn't just just a story of loss; it’s a tale of resilience and the camaraderie within the 118, as we see how Bobby navigates his role in this new family and transitions from a haunted man to a leader who is learning to embrace joy again.
Keep your tissues close for this heart wrenching and heartwarming trip down Thunder Road!
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Chapters:
(00:00:00) Intro - Welcome to Dispatch
(00:02:09) General Thoughts
(00:08:41) Jaws of Life - Deep Dive
(00:10:20) Red String Corner
(00:21:55) Flashover - Themes
(00:28:22) Who’s Cookin’? - It’s Chef Bobby in Da Firehouse!
(00:39:13) How Bobby Coped (Or Didn’t) in the Aftermath
(00:54:41) LA Baby - Bobby’s LA Culture Shock
(01:04:20) “Me and Bawk” - Bathena’s Meet Cute
(01:15:55) Bobby’s Deja Vu - Restaurant Fire
(01:21:44) Laying Down the Law at the 118
(01:27:10) Bobby’s Investigative Hat
(01:30:44) Confession at the Hospital
(01:33:14) Where’s the Fire - Scene Dissection: After Work Drinks
(01:50:49) Bobby Getting His Life Together Montage
(02:04:47) Slow Burn - Bi Buck & Buddie Watch
(02:13:58) Outro - Take a Buddie With You
Transcript
Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?
Speaker B:A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.
Speaker C:This is the Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DMed each other enough character dissertations to earn a PhD in media literacy.
Speaker A:I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.
Speaker B:I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.
Speaker C:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
Speaker A:With our powers combined, no stone is.
Speaker C:Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.
Speaker B:Then on a Monday in a fire station, we watch Bobby Begins Again.
Speaker B:Welcome to Dispatch.
Speaker B:What's on call this week?
Speaker A: ,: Speaker C:We have some calls of the week, kind of because this is a Begins episode.
Speaker C:So the calls are always like a little different background.
Speaker C:So we see beyond the glass doors we're picking up.
Speaker C:In the immediate aftermath of what we originally saw in 105 point of origin, Bobby is rescued from the apartment fire in St.
Speaker C:Paul and learns the fate of his family.
Speaker C:Then when we're in LA again, slash, finally, it's all aboard the crazy LA train, which is the montage.
Speaker C:So welcome to la.
Speaker C:A tree trimmer gets stuck in a palm tree.
Speaker C:A salon visit goes horribly wrong when a woman has an allergic reaction under the hairdryers.
Speaker C:And the 118 are called to an illegal cockfighting ring where one rooster fought back against his handler.
Speaker C:And the last real call that we see is business is booming, but not the way you'd expect where a father gets trapped inside after trying to save his son inside their family owned restaurant as it becomes engulfed by flames.
Speaker C:So this is our Bobby Begins, but more in line with the typical Begins episodes that have been established in season two.
Speaker C:I mean, really, we did see Bobby begins in 105 point of origin.
Speaker C:Like I said at the beginning of the Calls of the week, that was more like Bobby's backstory all the way before.
Speaker C:And this is like the true Bobby Begins, where it shows how he came to be a firefighter at the 118.
Speaker C:And thoughts.
Speaker C:Everybody thinks it's depressing, but I think it's kind of hopeful.
Speaker A:Was this your shower?
Speaker A:Thought on how to transition into thoughts?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:To go thoughts.
Speaker C:No, my transition was talking about how.
Speaker A:Oh, okay, I got you, I got you.
Speaker C:I already did it.
Speaker C:And now I'm opening the floor.
Speaker A:I was expecting some Sort of pun or something.
Speaker A:No, I'm so sorry, but this is a very depressing episode.
Speaker A:Like, very good episode, good television.
Speaker A:Depressing as hell.
Speaker A:It doesn't.
Speaker A:I mean, like, the world right now is not helping, but it's.
Speaker A:I mean, the content of it is very depressing.
Speaker A:Like, it's hopeful at the very end.
Speaker A:Yeah, the very end.
Speaker A:But that's not the feeling that I got left with.
Speaker A:I'm not like, ah.
Speaker A:And like, everything is great now.
Speaker A:I'm like, this emotionally destroyed me.
Speaker A:So it's depressing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, it really just like, takes what we learned in Point of Origin and it does pick up immediately after.
Speaker C:But it really shows how.
Speaker C:I mean, I like to look at it from a hopeful lens.
Speaker C:I know the majority of the episode is not sunshine and rainbows.
Speaker C:It is quite heavy in content, but it's also like, look how far he's come.
Speaker C:That's how I choose to look at it.
Speaker B:I'm in the middle because, like, I see where hands coming from because, like, at the end, it's kind of like, no.
Speaker B:No resolution.
Speaker C:Really.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, but then I also see where you're coming from because, like, you know, he was coming from a dark place and he, you know, moved to LA and, like, met this new team.
Speaker B:He's like, getting his, like, found family, but not.
Speaker B:He doesn't know it yet.
Speaker C:You know, he's finding it.
Speaker B:He's finding it.
Speaker A:He's finding it even though he's not looking for it.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It finds him.
Speaker A:I think the reason it.
Speaker A:It is depressing for me is because of where we leave off and, like, how I know that Bobby still is.
Speaker A:So it's like, oh, yeah, Buck is there.
Speaker A:So, like, now their family is complete.
Speaker A:It's like, it's not because they still have several months before we even get to season one.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:And we still know that he was schmidle, you know.
Speaker B:What was that?
Speaker A:Shm.
Speaker B:Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker B:The schmile.
Speaker A:Does it make it lighter when I say it?
Speaker A:Silly.
Speaker A:We don't have to censor this.
Speaker A:It's not like going up on TikTok, we know that he still was not even suicidal ideation.
Speaker A:Like, he was planning, actively planning, actively planning.
Speaker A:Like, he had a book with the names.
Speaker A:So for me, that's why it's still depressing, because I'm like, it's not hopeful.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's hopeful in the sense that if you're like.
Speaker A:If you look at it from like a big lens out, that you're like, well, Buck is there and Then Buck is the.
Speaker A:That's not the correct word.
Speaker A:I wanted to say linchpin.
Speaker A:I was like, that's not right.
Speaker A:Buck is the book is.
Speaker A:Buck is the glue.
Speaker A:Buck is, you know, the, like, last missing puzzle piece to, like.
Speaker A:Well, no, I think Eddie, too, but, like, Buck is who really brings the rest of them together as a family.
Speaker A:Um, so I can see where Rachel's coming from, but for me, it's still, like, I know where Bobby is.
Speaker A:Where we leave off is still not a good place.
Speaker A:So, like, he's letting the people in a little bit more to see and, like.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:I don't know, it's just like, the doing better that you're seeing is like a facade, basically.
Speaker A:And so it's.
Speaker A:That's depressing to me.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't disagree with you.
Speaker C:I think it is very heavy and depressing.
Speaker C:I'm also looking at it and I guess from a larger scale, like you said, looking at it from a.
Speaker C:Where we are in season two, like, in present day, as opposed to looking back on it from that point, as opposed to, like, well, it's still gonna be pretty darn awful for him for, like, the next year and a half until we get to point of origin and.
Speaker C:And everything like that.
Speaker C:Which, like, is true.
Speaker C:But I don't know.
Speaker C:I choose to look at the silver lining anyways.
Speaker B:No, I mean, I will say, like, I was not thinking about where we were present day.
Speaker B:I don't know why.
Speaker B:My prep for this, I was not thinking.
Speaker B:But now I'll keep that in mind.
Speaker C:As we talk present day in eight, or present day in present day and eight.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think it was even more depressing looking at it with what I know from season seven, to be honest, on the rewatch that's on initial watch.
Speaker C:From a season like seven standpoint, then I get the depressed again.
Speaker C:So I have to look at it from, like, a season.
Speaker A:I can't take the context of what I know about Bobby Nash out, though.
Speaker C:So you know so much of.
Speaker C:When rewatching this episode, I was thinking about that very Bobby centric episode in season seven, and I don't think I've watched like Bobby Begins again after that episode aired.
Speaker A:I haven't either.
Speaker A:Not until prepping for this.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that really has a lot of implications for backstory that I'm choosing not to look at at this current moment.
Speaker C:But we'll be happy to revisit when.
Speaker A:We get to season seven or before.
Speaker C:Yeah, okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's depressing.
Speaker A:It's A very good episode.
Speaker C:It's so well done.
Speaker A:I love Bobby.
Speaker A:I love his gallows humor.
Speaker A:I love how funny he is.
Speaker A:I love how he.
Speaker A:Everyone's like, oh, this jamoke showing up from the middle of nowhere.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, I'm lasting longer than at least one of you.
Speaker A:Like, he's so funny.
Speaker C:Do you think then he got the.
Speaker C:The betting pool?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Good for him.
Speaker C:And he probably used it to buy groceries so he could cook everyone a real nice dinner is what I'm head canning.
Speaker A:That's a good head cannon.
Speaker A:All right, deep dive with Rachel.
Speaker A:We're gonna need the Jaws of Life over here.
Speaker C:I don't have any articles to read, so.
Speaker A:Well, that speeds this up.
Speaker A:Yeah, love that for us.
Speaker C:I was looking all over.
Speaker C:I didn't find any articles from this week or any interviews with Peter Krausa.
Speaker C:And normally when it's crazy, a big.
Speaker A:He doesn't do a lot of press.
Speaker A:He really.
Speaker C:He doesn't.
Speaker C:So normally when it's a big, like, character episode, they have everybody doing, like, the.
Speaker C:The press junket of it all.
Speaker C:And I guess because he's executive producer, he gets to decide whether or not he does.
Speaker C:And I guess he decided he didn't.
Speaker C:And you know what?
Speaker A:Like, I will send no one.
Speaker B:Yeah, he was like, figure it out.
Speaker C:I don't know if it was too close to season finale.
Speaker C:So they were lining up all of the interviews and the articles for season finale, because when I was looking, like, again, if I've missed something, please let me know or send me the.
Speaker C:The article because I'm trying to compile as many PR stuff as.
Speaker C:As possible to, like, backlog and archive.
Speaker C:And I just didn't see any.
Speaker C:So if I missed some, please send it to us.
Speaker C:But I do wonder if they were maybe focusing on getting those interviews and getting that press out for the season finale, since it would just be like two weeks later.
Speaker C:Maybe that's it.
Speaker C:But I didn't have any articles to talk about.
Speaker C:I'm so sorry.
Speaker C:I know you guys are so heartbroken right now.
Speaker A:I like the articles, but.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, listening to them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, did have a couple things for our red string corner.
Speaker C:I've connected the dots.
Speaker B:You didn't connect.
Speaker C:So this was another Begins episode directed by Jennifer lynch.
Speaker C:And we talked about her in, I think Chimney Begins most most recently because she actually directed.
Speaker C:Just to reiterate, she directed all of the season two Begins episodes.
Speaker C:So it was Hen begins, chimney begins, and Bobby Begins Again.
Speaker C:Everything has, like, a very kind of Cohesive flow with these.
Speaker C:Very backstory.
Speaker C:Yeah, stylistically like very backstory, one character centric episodes.
Speaker C:And I think that was a great choice.
Speaker C:They've done this kind of thing because it a little different than the usual shtick for 91 1.
Speaker C:And it was probably a really smart choice to use the same director.
Speaker C:So that's kind of neat.
Speaker C:This was also written by Christopher Monfette and he wrote previously in season two, episode 10, Merry Xmas.
Speaker C:And I know we liked that one a lot.
Speaker C:Was a good buddy episode as well as everything else.
Speaker C:But looking forward, because I know he writes a handful in season three, so he also wrote season three, episode four, triggers, season three, episode six, monsters, and episode 15, which is Eddie Begins.
Speaker C:I think he co wrote on a couple of those.
Speaker C:So just something to keep a lookout.
Speaker C:I like to kind of check in and maybe highlight what the writers have already done because then we can start to see what's kind of in their wheelhouse, what they tend to like to write about, what themes they kind of touch on in like their body of work.
Speaker C:And I also thought it was funny.
Speaker C:Not to be too spoilery, but in season three, episode six, Monsters, that's when there's the crow.
Speaker C:So maybe there's something with birds here.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:He just has something with birds.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Just a funny.
Speaker C:Because we had.
Speaker C:We had the rooster and then we have the crow.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Just pointing it out.
Speaker C:I'm putting the pins.
Speaker C:You can do string.
Speaker C:Just kind of looking at the summaries for some of those other season three episodes.
Speaker C:There's a lot of similar themes and like official firefighting business stuff because we have, you know, Bobby's investigative hearing.
Speaker C:We have in season three stuff with Buck.
Speaker C:You know, I think one of those is when he's the fire marshal.
Speaker C:And then with the Eddie begins.
Speaker C:There's also like the military stuff, so I thought there was something there.
Speaker C:There's also some like flashback nightmares, things coming back from your past.
Speaker C:A lot of Bobby and Eddie parallels about how they fight gas to get back to their lives in a literal and metaphorical sense.
Speaker C:So I'll probably bring those up again in season three just so we get like the full picture but like looking forward.
Speaker C:And then I didn't really form this thought, but something about the narrative framework of the investigative hearing.
Speaker C:Because we see Bobby at the very opening of the episode where, you know, he's sitting on the chair and like, it looks like almost windowless room, very like a cell almost.
Speaker C:And then the episode is bookmarked at the end by the actual beginning of the beginning of that hearing.
Speaker C:So everything in between, it's just kind of like him remembering all of all of the stuff that happened.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's like him retelling.
Speaker A:So this is very similar in style to Chimney Begins and to what I will just call Maddie Begins because it's the closest we have.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Fight or Flight.
Speaker C:Where all of this flashback is.
Speaker C:Where all of these flashbacks are very.
Speaker C:Not played in the way of like, this is for the audience's like, yeah.
Speaker C:Benefit for more context.
Speaker C:But it's actually kind of.
Speaker C:I think I said before, like, diegetic, where the character is actively remembering all that stuff within that time period of the opening shot to the closing shot of this episode.
Speaker C:And then just another thing that I thought was so funny.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The priest in this episode before we are in our hot priest, Sarah, unfortunately.
Speaker C:Because, you know, it was.
Speaker C:It was his first day in the pilot, so obviously he's not there yet.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because this is years before.
Speaker C:I didn't see it anywhere in the episode.
Speaker C:It was only afterwards.
Speaker C:And I was looking at like the Credits and the911wiki.
Speaker C:Do you know what the father's name is?
Speaker C:The priest's name?
Speaker B:You're gonna tell me.
Speaker C:I sure am.
Speaker C:He is credited as Father Jameson.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker C:He had.
Speaker C:They had the recovery alcoholic character confess to a priest whose name is Jameson.
Speaker A:I mean, like, that's evil Irish.
Speaker C:Irish.
Speaker A:Irish Cat Kitchen.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:I know, but it's just like there are so many other Irish leaning names.
Speaker C:And you went with Jameson for the recovering alcoholic.
Speaker C:Like that Now I.
Speaker A:Hilarious.
Speaker A:Actually.
Speaker C:I thought that was so funny.
Speaker C:It took me out and I was like, you're kidding me.
Speaker C:Because I don't think they said it in the episode and I only saw it after.
Speaker A:Did you see the name of the bar into.
Speaker C:Was it Dirty Harry's or Dirty Jim's?
Speaker A:Dirty Tim's.
Speaker C:That damn Birdie Tim.
Speaker C:Well, I think.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:I think I would love to look at that kind of stuff more and see if they do the thing that Supernatural did where they used all of these little, like, singers cruise names as little Easter eggs for everything.
Speaker C:I bet you anything.
Speaker C:Dirty Tim's bar.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Anyways, so they're wild for that.
Speaker C:Both of those things, actually.
Speaker C:And then the only other thing I have is pay close attention to, like, if you're rewatching this episode, kind of pay close attention to the put me in coach conversation with Bobby and the chief in St.
Speaker C:Paul.
Speaker A:I got so fucking mad rewatching that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It really clicked for me.
Speaker C:I was like, okay, then.
Speaker C:Because that will come up in season three.
Speaker C:And you kind of.
Speaker C:I was just like, bobby, how is.
Speaker A:This even remotely similar to what Buck was going through?
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, this is so in season three, when we deal with Buck stuff, I wouldn't say it's exact, but it's kind of a similar.
Speaker C:It's a similar vein.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker C:Well, no, like, the.
Speaker C:The actual incident that takes place is not similar, but I think this is.
Speaker C:This conversation is kind of where Bobby's coming from with, like, shoes on the other foot.
Speaker C:Like, he ends up taking the stance of the chief, which you would think that he would know better.
Speaker C:That's all I'll say about that.
Speaker C:We'll get to that later in season three.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because there's only five more episodes until we get there, right?
Speaker B:No, less than that.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:5, 6.
Speaker A:No, not that long until we get to what we're talking about.
Speaker A:To be honest, we only have two.
Speaker C:More episodes of season 17, 18 season wrap, but we have some of the season 8 stuff in between.
Speaker A:We just have a quick little needle drop.
Speaker A:I mean, there's.
Speaker A:There's crazy Trinity, which is.
Speaker A:Was just funny.
Speaker A:And I don't know.
Speaker A:I need a version of Crazy Train with the sirens over top of it.
Speaker A:Because it sounded so good.
Speaker B:It was really good.
Speaker A:I had to sit for a second and be like, are there sirens in the song?
Speaker A:Because it just sounded, like, so natural.
Speaker A:Like, it.
Speaker A:Like I belong there.
Speaker C:It really did.
Speaker A:Like, it just fits in with the theme.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was.
Speaker C:That was like a very.
Speaker C:That whole montage with the Crazy Train reminded me a lot of the season two opener with Pressure by Billy Joel, where it was that montage of, like, all of those different calls.
Speaker C:That's kind of what it.
Speaker C:What it gave.
Speaker C:And I was like.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was a nice, like, bookend to that.
Speaker A:So the one that I want to talk about is from the end of the episode, right after he has his talk with Father Jameson.
Speaker C:I'm never getting over that.
Speaker C:I think they're so funny.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:After he has his talk with Father Jameson and he, like, starts all over again.
Speaker A:It's like leading his squad and, you know, being.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's another montage.
Speaker A:Punishing himself for, like, you know, enjoying and being present in what he's doing.
Speaker A:So the song is another talking head song called this Must Be the Place.
Speaker A:Parentheses, naive melody.
Speaker A:And I'm just gonna pick out a couple lyrics.
Speaker A:Home is where I wanna Be pick me up and turn me round I feel numb Born with a weak heart I guess I must be having fun the less we say about it the better make it up as we go along Feet on the ground Head in the sky it's okay I know nothing's wrong.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:It's like things are wrong, but we're just gonna ignore that.
Speaker C:Yeah, we're gonna.
Speaker A:Don't have time to unpack all of that.
Speaker C:I love that so much.
Speaker A:Home is where I want to be But I guess I'm already there I can't tell one from another Did I find you or you find me?
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:It's really about like.
Speaker C:It has this kind of like fun, happy melody.
Speaker C:Like it sounds like a much happier song than it kind of actually is.
Speaker C:And I think talking head songs are.
Speaker A:Never actually that funny happy.
Speaker A:They all sound silly goofy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But it's when you get under the surface and.
Speaker C:And the whole like, subtitle where it's naive melody that I think really drives that home where feeling like you found the place that you belong is, but still kind of having something in the back of your head saying like, but, you know, that's naive of you to think that.
Speaker C:And I feel like that is exactly where Bobby is at this.
Speaker C:At that point and still so far, like even up through, you know, season one with Point of Origin, but also like going back into.
Speaker C:But also going back into the now where he's like, well, you know, in getting ready for that hearing, it's like, well, I thought I found where I was supposed to be, but the other shoe dropped.
Speaker C:So that was silly of me to think that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And yeah, that's.
Speaker C:That's when it gets really depressing.
Speaker C:But it's such a.
Speaker C:It's such a perfect song for that.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's such a Bobby song.
Speaker C:We saw the other talking or we heard the other talking head song.
Speaker C:Was that during Chimney Begins.
Speaker C:That's interesting too.
Speaker A:That's Burning down the House, which you're like, uhuh.
Speaker A:That's just a funny haha.
Speaker A:But like, if you look at the lyrics, it's, you know, there's more to it there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Again, that's probably helped by having the same director do all of these episodes.
Speaker C:So there's a.
Speaker C:Through thread here.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker C:It's a good song.
Speaker C:So our.
Speaker C:I was trying to come up with like.
Speaker C:We actually saw Flashover in this episode.
Speaker A:The episode where the name of this segment will finally make sense if you didn't listen to us define what this was the one time we did it last in our trailer.
Speaker C:Oh, did we do that in the trailer?
Speaker A:I forgot we did.
Speaker A:I think we did.
Speaker C:It's been so long.
Speaker A:It's been so long, Steve.
Speaker C:Oh, so you guys can do that and you don't.
Speaker C:And yes.
Speaker A:Fine.
Speaker B:Rachel, you're on timeout in every single episode.
Speaker A:We're doing it for fun, and you're doing it out of love.
Speaker A:So there's a difference.
Speaker C:And if I told you I was doing it for the gigs, the kicks.
Speaker A:And giggles, the love and gigs continue.
Speaker C:So flash over.
Speaker C:Just like in the show.
Speaker A:Flashover conditions.
Speaker C:And we know to combat that, you need to vent the roof, which we also learned in Chimney Begins.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Anyways, that's why they had Bobby, like, throw the ax up to the skylight and it was like.
Speaker C:Which was really cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Was that CGI or was that real?
Speaker C:Do you think it has to be cgi?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:It was like you'd have to control.
Speaker B:The fire to make it do what you.
Speaker B:That was cgi.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, that would have been good cgi.
Speaker C:Anyways.
Speaker A:She really said, you fox cgi, You've never been good.
Speaker A:I don't believe that.
Speaker C:Does someone else want to talk about the themes?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Because you wrote these.
Speaker C:Well, because nobody else wrote any.
Speaker C:So the.
Speaker C:My theme.
Speaker A:Depression and grief.
Speaker A:Bobby.
Speaker C:Bobby.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker A:Who's cooking?
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:We see efforts to make amends because Bobby is, as we see after his, like, six months of sobriety, he is on step eight.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I think he kind of ends up staying in that step for a long, long time, which is making amends.
Speaker C:And making amends not just to others, but to yourself.
Speaker C:You have to forgive yourself, Give yourself a little bit of grace.
Speaker C:I thought responsibility was a really one of the biggest themes in this episode.
Speaker C:And kind of like, what's your cross to bear?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:To bring it back into the.
Speaker C:The religious theme a bit.
Speaker C:So responsibility, as in, like, taking on more burden than is necessary.
Speaker C:Like, Bobby takes on the.
Speaker C:The burden and the responsibility of the entire apartment fire, even though he was cleared.
Speaker C:But he just.
Speaker C:He's just like, I'm.
Speaker C:That is.
Speaker C:I'm Atlas.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:This is my cross.
Speaker C:I can't let myself not feel responsible for that.
Speaker C:But also kind of like, making wrong decisions because of the weight of responsibility.
Speaker C:Like, we'll see with the father who committed arson and.
Speaker C:And in order to do insurance fraud with burning his restaurant down.
Speaker C:Because even Though he was doing it for his family because he felt responsible for their business going south, he didn't take care of that responsibly as well.
Speaker C:So kind of two.
Speaker C:Two sides to the.
Speaker C:To the coin there.
Speaker C:Then another one is.
Speaker C:I mean, it's Bobby.
Speaker C:So another theme is going to be confessing, confessing one's sins, or alternatively, telling the truth.
Speaker C:There's a lot of emphasis on being forthwith coming forward or confessing about something that you feel responsible for.
Speaker C:So we saw that Bobby did confess in Minnesota about, you know, it was me, even though they cleared him.
Speaker C:And we see him three different times at confession with Father Jameson and.
Speaker C:And the.
Speaker C:The dad, again, I think the dad's name is Victor, the restaurant owner, confessing that he, you know, he set his restaurant on fire as well.
Speaker C:And on the other side of that, the other hand of telling the truth and confessing one's sins is.
Speaker C:And responsibility is also forgiveness.
Speaker C:So that is literally kind of what, why you tell the truth and why you confess stuff.
Speaker C:Because you want to be forgiven, right?
Speaker C:And whether or not you are able to forgive yourself, which I know Bobby still doesn't completely forgive himself, even way, way down the line here.
Speaker C:But you can also ask forgiveness from.
Speaker C:You can also ask forgiveness from others or God, because this is Bobby.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And then something I think that we can tie into season two as a wider whole.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So talking about season two as kind of like a wider theme is that feeling of belonging that we see all of the characters kind of striving for throughout this season and kind of a little bit how things are transitory.
Speaker C:So things are bound to change, pass, or come to an end.
Speaker C:So whether that's, you know, Bobby's time as captaincy or not, only time will tell.
Speaker C:And by time, I mean the next two episodes.
Speaker C:So something, something.
Speaker C:Something about things that seem permanent can come to an end, but also they don't necessarily have to, but that almost that feeling of things not lasting even when you feel like you finally found the place where you belong.
Speaker C:Just basically the.
Speaker C:This must be the place.
Speaker C:Naive melody Melody by Talking Heads that's the theme done.
Speaker A:Nailed it.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:Nailed on the craw.
Speaker C:So we've got.
Speaker B:Let's try not to react.
Speaker B:All right, Bobby.
Speaker B:St.
Speaker B:Paul, Minnesota.
Speaker A:Picture it.
Speaker A:St.
Speaker A:Paul, Minnesota.
Speaker C:Apartment fire set the scene for a sill.
Speaker B:I already did.
Speaker B:I'm done.
Speaker A:That's it?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Rooftop night.
Speaker C:Take it to the rooftop.
Speaker C:I'm trying to keep the energy up for you guys.
Speaker A:I forgot to talk about this when I talked about my Overall thought so I'll talk about it here because it is about.
Speaker A:I mean it's the whole episode, but this scene in particular.
Speaker A:We all know that Peter Krause is a phenomenal actor.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:The man.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker A:He is the man.
Speaker A:But if you haven't seen him in other roles or many other roles.
Speaker A:I know I bring it up all the time, but there are just some moments where I'm like.
Speaker A:I'm seeing Six Feet under.
Speaker A:Like so like this like gut wrenching grief really like threw me back to like some moments in Six Feet.
Speaker A:I mean the whole show's about grief.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, so it really threw me back into some huge moments in that show for his character who is completely different from Bobby.
Speaker A:But it's so like similar but still so very Bobby.
Speaker A:Like I don't know, he's just so good, you guys.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:I think that's what makes this episode's so depressing.
Speaker A:He just delivers that grief.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Viscerally.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's in the voice.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's everywhere face.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The devastation.
Speaker C:It's interesting because he doesn't have to do a lot.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:It's very subtle the way he acts so completely destroyed.
Speaker C:But you can tell.
Speaker C:But it's just like very minimal.
Speaker C:Like almost minimal movements.
Speaker A:Just like not minimal movements in the scene.
Speaker A:Like when he cry.
Speaker C:When he cries.
Speaker A:He is in ugly crier when he does his full cry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's his whole face.
Speaker A:His whole face is engaged.
Speaker A:So that.
Speaker A:And that's when he gets me.
Speaker A:When he's crying.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:When he's a little more like stoic and.
Speaker C:And it's more minimal.
Speaker C:But you can still tell.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So good.
Speaker C:I have to.
Speaker C:I have to go back and watch Six Feet Under.
Speaker C:I know I've seen some episodes but that was.
Speaker A:It's so, so good.
Speaker A:It's him and Michael C.
Speaker A:Hall, man.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker C:I think my parents watched that show and I was.
Speaker C:It's a little too young to should be watching it.
Speaker A:Oh well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's not her kids in any way shape.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker C:Anyway, I watched like the Tudors and I'm like, what were you thinking?
Speaker A:So this scene is already devastating.
Speaker A:But because of how amazing Peter Krausa is, it literally just makes me sob and want to dissociate for the rest of the day anytime that I have to watch it or think about it.
Speaker A:And I had to watch it three times for this recording.
Speaker A:So I'm doing great.
Speaker A:Thanks for asking.
Speaker C:How are you Doing Han.
Speaker A:I am not doing well.
Speaker A:But, yeah, it's the waking up on the roof and the disorientation of trying to get to his family and seeing his wife and almost automatically going with her until he's like, way my kids.
Speaker A:And like, the.
Speaker A:Is it the chief or an EMT who's trying to distract him?
Speaker C:It's not the chief.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I think it's a firefighter.
Speaker C:I don't think it's a fellow.
Speaker A:Well, there's an EMT credited for that scene, so I just assumed.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's one of.
Speaker C:It's one of the firefighters.
Speaker C:Flash paramedics on the.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:On the scene, but they're.
Speaker A:It's someone who knows him and his family, and they're trying very hard to distract him, which I don't know if it's the correct thing to do in that situation.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I don't know if that was handled, like, the best.
Speaker C:They didn't have, like, interestingly, they were trying to handle him with.
Speaker C:With the spouse gloves.
Speaker C:I don't think it did the best.
Speaker C:But also, it may have been a little different because Bobby is like one of their own.
Speaker C:So they had to kind of, like, you know, shoot it to him straight a little bit, because if they know him and know, like, how he is about, you know, he really takes his.
Speaker A:Well, I'm talking about, like, trying to hide his kids from him.
Speaker A:Like, I didn't.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's not good either.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:But, yeah, obviously they're not successful in it, and he.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:You know, there's so much trauma in Bobby's life before this moment.
Speaker A:We learn that, especially in season seven.
Speaker A:But, like, this has to be, like, no wonder he is where he is when we meet him in season one.
Speaker A:And no wonder it takes him so long to, like, he has to keep prying himself out of it, out of the darkness, and then he falls back into it because it's like, those are your children.
Speaker A:Yeah, those are your children.
Speaker A:And it's something that you were, you know, directly part of the cause of.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just.
Speaker A:I understand how he's never recovered from it.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I don't know how.
Speaker C:How anyone can.
Speaker C:No, you can't fully recover from something like that.
Speaker A:I don't think so.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:I thought it was a really well done way that they decided to kind of drop us back into the Bobby's backstory because it picks up immediately kind of where it leaves off at the end of the last flashback.
Speaker C:Of point of origin.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Where he's trying to get to the.
Speaker C:To his apartment and like falls through the floor with some other person.
Speaker C:So we see that kind of rehashed a little bit, but then it picks up again with the immediate aftermath.
Speaker C:So this is really filling in all of the blanks that we know having gone from season one, episode five to now in season two.
Speaker C:And it's really fleshing out that story.
Speaker C:And it's just like you, like.
Speaker C:It's one thing for him to talk about it, right.
Speaker C:As something to have happened.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:It really just like.
Speaker A:Different thing to see it.
Speaker C:Different thing to see it.
Speaker C:And they do not pull punches with this either.
Speaker C:It's so heavy.
Speaker C:Especially when, you know, he does kind of get ushered into the ambulance and then he is at Marcy's bedside the entire time.
Speaker C:And gosh, at the.
Speaker C:At the moment where she kind of regains consciousness and acts about.
Speaker C:Asks about their kids and.
Speaker C:And that's the last thing she does is say, like, I knew you would come and save us.
Speaker C:Like to have that be the last words.
Speaker C:I would imagine that's ringing in Bobby's head 25.
Speaker C:8.
Speaker C:25.
Speaker C:8 all the time.
Speaker B:Like having those be his wife's last words.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's definitely thinking about it.
Speaker B:25.
Speaker C:8.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:It's honestly traumatic.
Speaker B:There's going to be so much like guilt and all the negative types of feelings, honestly.
Speaker B:I mean, no wonder I can't imagine, like, baring all of that.
Speaker A:Does he hear the 911 call?
Speaker A:I was just wondering, like, in the hearing process and he did the confession and then he like, saw the ruling.
Speaker A:Like, I assumed that like the 911 call would have been played.
Speaker A:So I wonder if he had to hear that too.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I think that would have, like, in the hearing as it took takes place in season two or like the investigation of the incident.
Speaker C:In.
Speaker A:In the investigation of the incident.
Speaker C:I think it would have been the transcript.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't think.
Speaker C:I don't think he would have heard it unless he went to dispatch and.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:Or it was released.
Speaker C:But that was.
Speaker C:That was a big binder.
Speaker C:I think it was transcripted.
Speaker C:So he.
Speaker C:He didn't.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker A:He had to confess.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:That's why I'm wondering if he had to like testify.
Speaker A:If it was like a court thing and he had to testify.
Speaker A:If they played it anyway, it.
Speaker A:It just.
Speaker A:Just fodder to say that, like, even if he didn't hear it, like us hearing that as the audience as like the first part of the episode, like after we get thrown back into the past.
Speaker A:And then that to be the last thing she says to him is like, sorry, chimney knife to the gut.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:It really is though, like.
Speaker C:And I think that's so easy to gloss over.
Speaker C:Like that is the call that we hear because then it's like, oh, they knew what was happening.
Speaker C:And that's also terrifying to think of it from that perspective.
Speaker C:So understandably, when the incident report comes out, Bobby who you know, feels so responsible for all of this and so guilt ridden and just in full mourning, he's going to hurt himself more by reading the entire report because that's the healthiest thing he could do.
Speaker C:Totally.
Speaker B:That is nailing himself to the cross.
Speaker A:Like literally really is that priest called him the fuck out?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:In the episode.
Speaker C:Oh absolutely.
Speaker C:I can't wait to talk about the.
Speaker A:Only one who's a heavenly success.
Speaker C:Yeah, I can't wait to talk about Father Jameson later.
Speaker A:He reminded me of Father Langham.
Speaker A:Daredevil.
Speaker A:Why do you never remember his name?
Speaker B:I was like, whomstadt?
Speaker C:I can never remember his name.
Speaker C:I'm just like the priest in Daredevil.
Speaker C:Is it?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So after we see his wife pass away and then Bobby is just like on a complete bender, it seemed like because we cut to him being.
Speaker C:Was he being shocked back.
Speaker C:Did they use like the ads on him?
Speaker C:I don't know because I feel like he was having this flashback slash dream scenario.
Speaker C:He and, and the family were like getting ready for dinner and then he was getting like ripped away from them because he was being brought back in the bar after having read the incident report and.
Speaker C:And he just like makes just like throws a fit.
Speaker C:Like I didn't want to be back.
Speaker C:I wanted to be with them.
Speaker A:Just like was giving reverse coma dream.
Speaker C:Oh God, it was he.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like he wanted to be there.
Speaker B:Meanwhile, Buck was like, well no, Buck wanted to leave.
Speaker B:He thought it was weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And interestingly enough, like I'm assuming the, the fire chief of St.
Speaker C:Paul is right there and obviously has a very good rapport relationship with Bobby.
Speaker C:And make sure to keep Bobby's name off the radio.
Speaker C:Don't let anybody know like who this is.
Speaker C:We're gonna keep this like as private as possible, which I think is very generous thing to do and, and speaks to their rapport.
Speaker C:But when they're in the hospital and the fire chief is talking to Bobby while he's, while he's laid up in the hospital bed, we learned that Bobby did actually confess to causing the entire fire during that hearing, and they cleared him.
Speaker C:So I think as much as he was in mourning by.
Speaker C:By reading that incident report, he was.
Speaker C:He was just, like, painting himself, going over and over again of trying to find a way for him to be.
Speaker A:Uncleared, and I think also trying to see, like, if there was anything he could have done, but.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Again, speaking to that relationship that Bobby and the chief have fostered.
Speaker C:The chief understands what Bobby's going through.
Speaker C:And point to any church basement.
Speaker C:You'll see some familiar faces.
Speaker C:So, like, the fact that Bobby is a struggling alcoholic doesn't faze him.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:He doesn't want to even fire Bobby.
Speaker C:Like, no.
Speaker C:He really insists that it was not Bobby's fault, and Bobby is taking the blame too far.
Speaker C:I mean, like, unnecessarily far.
Speaker C:Because Bobby's always going to feel some sort of fault for having the space heater in the first place.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But, you know, it was the rest of the building that was so not up to code.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Had a lot of issues.
Speaker A:A literal death trap.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:Because that could have been anyone.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It just so happened to be Bonnie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Anything, like, someone could have lit a candle, another apartment, and it could have gone whoosh.
Speaker C:Like, it just so happened to be.
Speaker B:Someone could have been cooking.
Speaker B:Because, like, one of the things was that the building alarms had dead batteries.
Speaker A:No electrical sprinkles, sprinklers, nothing.
Speaker C:But then, in true Bobby fashion, he takes that to be his responsibility to.
Speaker A:And I'm like, are you the landlord?
Speaker A:Do you own this building?
Speaker C:Are you the fire marshal that was supposed to check out that building?
Speaker C:No, but he can't.
Speaker A:He can't.
Speaker A:He can't think about it.
Speaker A:With the situation.
Speaker C:Let that go.
Speaker A:He'd be having a hard time with it, even if his family had survived, of course.
Speaker A:A very hard time with it.
Speaker A:But, like, with his family.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:With his family gone.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's just no way that he was gonna.
Speaker C:The chief kind of levels with Bobby, and he's like, if you think you deserve to be punished, well, I guess your punishment is that you live now.
Speaker C:Make it worth a damn.
Speaker C:And I think that is kind of what keeps Bobby going, because he has to make amends.
Speaker C:He has to make things right.
Speaker C:He has to balance the scales, and that's kind of that.
Speaker C:I mean, we know that is his driving force and driving motivation all the way up through, like, the end of season one, basically, until he throws the book away.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But he.
Speaker C:He doesn't do that.
Speaker C:Yet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I really quick did find such an issue within, like, don't get me.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not trying to bash aa.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess I will bash a little bit the way that AA is completely based around faith, which I don't think is like a sustainable or right thing to do.
Speaker A:Like, as a blanket recovery program.
Speaker C:It can work for some people, but it's not a.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:It's not a one size fits all.
Speaker A:But the fact that, like, his sponsor was like, this next part's gonna suck.
Speaker A:You have to make amends to every single person you've ever wronged and gave him a notebook.
Speaker A:I'm like, I'm sure that Bobby didn't get to.
Speaker A:I'm sure that Bobby would have had some version of where we see him in season one where he's like, yes, I am, you know, getting the ledger even before I can leave.
Speaker A:But, like, I feel like that was pushing him off the cliff to it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, there's no way that his sponsor didn't know.
Speaker C:I would think that they would.
Speaker A:I think that he would have to know.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Because Bobby is so keep things really tight to the chest.
Speaker C:I don't know how much his sponsor.
Speaker C:I don't know how he gets to.
Speaker A:The name was like 90 days.
Speaker C:Well, he was.
Speaker C:He was coming up on six.
Speaker C:Six months of sobriety, but it's 90 meetings in 90 days, I think.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyway, you don't get to.
Speaker A:You don't get to that many meetings and that many months and working through successfully without talking about it at all.
Speaker A:I don't think, like, this is just.
Speaker C:Conjecture, but generally, no, I think Bobby is a terrible.
Speaker A:I just feel like maybe we shouldn't blanket apply, but, like, make amends to anyone who you've wronged.
Speaker A:I just don't feel like is a safe thing to maybe tell everyone to do.
Speaker C:Yeah, I.
Speaker C:Especially someone with as glaring a guilt complex as Bobby Nash.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, I did kind of.
Speaker C:I'm glad you brought this up, because I did kind of feel weird about the.
Speaker C:Like, I'm sure that.
Speaker C:I'm sure this is like an actual AA thing, but the.
Speaker C:The note that was in the book that Oscar, his sponsor, gave him, and it was like, you know, step eight, make amends.
Speaker C:And it says, we made a list of all the persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.
Speaker C:And I just feel like that was maybe not the right thing to help Bobby with his recovery.
Speaker A:That's another thing that I'm like, that line might Be like actually just what it is in aa.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I don't want to.
Speaker C:Like, why not?
Speaker A:Whole book if you didn't know is my thing.
Speaker A:Like, why would he need a whole book?
Speaker C:I guess to write the letters to anyone that he wanted.
Speaker C:But the thing is, Bobby takes that book and takes making a list of all the people he's harmed so far.
Speaker A:Like suicidal Santa Claus.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Checking it twice a day.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Again, because one size does not fit all.
Speaker C:I do not think that was the right way to go about it.
Speaker C:And I think like from a more wide angle look at the series with Bobby specifically and especially in season seven, because there was an episode titled Step.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Or did they change that?
Speaker B:Yeah, but I think they changed it.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:They did change it, but that I think that's what it originally was going to be called.
Speaker C:So I think Bobby has really been stuck in this step eight of making amends until like he gets to step nine in season seven.
Speaker C:Like, so he's kind of in this, like he's making headway from season to season, but it's still just like as a general, he's still trying to do good by the bad that he feels that he has caused for so much of his character arc.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:From like season to season.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I just wish he would have.
Speaker A:This is good.
Speaker A:You're gonna hear me say this a lot over this show.
Speaker A:I just wish he would have seen a therapist instead of.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's out here recommending therapists because I.
Speaker A:Feel like a therapist would have been.
Speaker C:Like recommending for him a way to.
Speaker A:Kind of do something like that, but in a productive, not harmful way.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Because like, I don't think that aa, like as a whole is bad.
Speaker A:I just don't think that, like it's a one size fit all.
Speaker A:Even though that Bobby is religious.
Speaker A:I just feel like when he is going through it with that much trauma and especially such a like fresh recent one, that like, maybe therapy would have been a better option also.
Speaker A:How were they not?
Speaker A:I mean, I guess he was not on duty.
Speaker B:No, he wasn't.
Speaker A:Because I'm like, I feel like they would have made him go to therapy before coming back.
Speaker A:You would think.
Speaker A:Well, no, wait, how.
Speaker A:What year was it?
Speaker A:Never mind.
Speaker C: It was like: Speaker C: It was: Speaker C:It should have been fairly mandatory.
Speaker C:But I'm wondering then also if, because of the, the chief kind of pulling strings for Bobby, if he.
Speaker C:If they didn't necessarily that like Possible, like, he's in mourning.
Speaker C:He doesn't have to deal with this stuff.
Speaker C:So I wonder if they kind of, like, pulled more strings than maybe Bobby is even aware of.
Speaker A:Like, detriment.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:By, like, not necessarily having him go through grief counseling department mandated therapy, even though he was, like, writing the desk for, what, like, six months?
Speaker C:So I don't know.
Speaker C:I kind of figured that maybe they didn't make him do that or that it wasn't as mandated.
Speaker C: But that's: Speaker C:That's not that long ago.
Speaker A:Before we started recording, I asked if this chief was the same person or.
Speaker A:Or a person who's also in the flashback we get in season seven.
Speaker A:It's not, like, by name, but I'm like.
Speaker A:I'm wondering, like, if it is someone who knew him and knew his dad.
Speaker C:Knew his dad.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's why he has a soft spot for him.
Speaker C:I would not be surprised.
Speaker C:Maybe if he wasn't the chief back then, he was probably in the department.
Speaker C:If he didn't know Bobby's dad directly, he probably knew of him long before Bobby came into firefighting.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So I really do wonder.
Speaker A:He's a legacy firefighter.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I really do wonder if that plays a part in his, like, softer treatment of him, which is lovely, but also, like, was that really to Bobby's benefit?
Speaker C:And I'm not sure that it was.
Speaker C:There's a couple things in here also when we get further down.
Speaker C:So, like, Oscar, the sponsor maybe doesn't give him the best kind of advice.
Speaker C:The chief maybe doesn't push him in the best direction with whitewashing everything.
Speaker C:And then there's something that Father Jameson says later on that I'm like, I don't know, but we'll get there.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And this is probably why Bobby's advice is kind of a little left of how helpful.
Speaker C:Because he doesn't get good advice.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:So he can only.
Speaker A:Do you know, he didn't have a good father figure either, so.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:So, I mean, he can only do so much with the tools that he has at his disposal.
Speaker C:He's six months sober.
Speaker C:He's been writing the desk and.
Speaker C:And climbing the walls and needs to get back out on the job.
Speaker C:Who does that sound like?
Speaker A:That's where the similarities end, just by the way.
Speaker C:Oh, I know, I know.
Speaker C:It's the drive and the want to get back to.
Speaker C:Into the field, into firefighting and like that.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker A:It's Buck, in case you didn't surprise.
Speaker C:You're listening to the buddy system where we Talk about Buck even when Buck's not there.
Speaker C:And we talk about Eddie even when Eddie's not there, like from season one.
Speaker C:But yes, it's the drive to get back out there.
Speaker C:It's the.
Speaker C:Firefighting is my life.
Speaker C:I am nothing if not a firefighter.
Speaker C:That is where that similarity is.
Speaker C:So, like, apple doesn't fall far from the tree there.
Speaker C:He's meeting with the chief.
Speaker C:I think it was Chief Evans, the St.
Speaker C:Paul chief.
Speaker C:And Bobby's like, I want to get back out on the field.
Speaker C:Put me in, coach.
Speaker C:I don't care.
Speaker C:Like, I don't care.
Speaker C:I just want to not be on the desk anymore.
Speaker C:I'm ready.
Speaker C:And the chief says, you're ready, and that's fine.
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker C:But I don't know if the other guys out there are going to be ready for that.
Speaker C:Which also sounds something like season three.
Speaker C:And Bobby's like, okay, then put me in, coach, anywhere.
Speaker C:I don't care.
Speaker C:Because his.
Speaker C:He has no tethers anymore to St.
Speaker C:Paul.
Speaker C:He's just kind of like drifting in the wind.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker A:Yeah, he just planned now, but he wants to put in action.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, and.
Speaker C:And he is kind of very forth, like, forthcoming about, you know, I owe 148 lives.
Speaker C:I need to balance the books.
Speaker C:I'm ready, like, transfer me if you must.
Speaker C:I don't care.
Speaker C:I need to atone, he says.
Speaker C:He says I need to atone for what I've done in my own way.
Speaker C:And, and he can't do that in Minnesota.
Speaker C:Then he'll.
Speaker C:If he can't do that there, then he'll do it somewhere that will take him.
Speaker C:And that's also kind of a problem too, where he's saying this to the Chief.
Speaker C:And I think that, you know, again, speaks to their kind of relationship of, of peers and equals because he's being so candid with Chief Evans as well.
Speaker C:So we see that it goes both ways here.
Speaker C:But just like the.
Speaker C:I need to atone for this in my own way.
Speaker C:It's like, well, maybe you're getting in your own way a little bit sometimes.
Speaker C:But I think to.
Speaker C:To speak to how much respect Chief Evans has for Bobby.
Speaker C:He's like, okay, let's send you to sunny Los Angeles.
Speaker C:And they totally.
Speaker C:I don't think this is legal.
Speaker C:They totally whitewash his record.
Speaker C:They totally whitewashed Bobby's record.
Speaker A:I mean, to be fair, that has nothing to do with his job.
Speaker C:I mean, true, but I think that he means, like, they whitewashed it in the way of, like, they maybe removed his.
Speaker C:How close he was to the incident of the apartment fires.
Speaker C:They probably.
Speaker C:I mean, when he came to Los Angeles, I think they knew that he lost his family in those fires.
Speaker C:But I think they.
Speaker C:By whitewash, I believe they mean that they took out any and all relating connection Bobby had to the start of the fires.
Speaker C:As in it was the space heater in the apartment that Bobby was paying for.
Speaker C:Bobby's confession, I think that's what they really mean, like Bobby's confession that it was me, I did, I did it, it was my space theater, the apartment that I was paying for.
Speaker C:I think they omitted all of that.
Speaker C:And it was just Bobby Nash lost his family in this horrific incident.
Speaker C:Hire him sort of thing.
Speaker C:So that's what I'm imagining.
Speaker C:I'm just not sure how legal that actually is.
Speaker C:That's what I mean by that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So interesting.
Speaker C:I mean, I just also just don't.
Speaker A:Know how relevant it is to his actual job.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:No, but if they omitted stuff like that, that's.
Speaker C:It's just not great.
Speaker A:Oh, which is.
Speaker C:Yeah, which is why they're doing that investigative hearing in season two.
Speaker C:Because it wasn't confessed, it wasn't brought forward knowingly when they probably would have liked to know.
Speaker C:I think it doesn't necessarily have as much bearing on, you know, who he is in his record, like they say at the end, which he has proven because he does get reinstated.
Speaker C:So it's just like up in the air right now.
Speaker C:So we finally arrive to LA and we catch up with hen and chimney and the rest of the 118 that we kind of got to know a little bit.
Speaker C:Not really.
Speaker C:Just in name and face only.
Speaker A:Rocco and Rocco's friend, who I wrote.
Speaker C:Off immediately because he is a Yankees fan.
Speaker A:Correct?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No Yankees fans here.
Speaker C:Absolutely not.
Speaker B:I'm a Yankees fan.
Speaker C:Leave.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Thank God.
Speaker C:Bye.
Speaker C:This, the rest of this episode will be brought to you by Canon Rachel.
Speaker C:Anyways, so sorry.
Speaker A:Rachel, I don't want to.
Speaker C:Baseball, I know.
Speaker A:Not a Yankees fan.
Speaker A:It's the bit.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's the bit.
Speaker C:It was part of the bit.
Speaker A:To clarify, no one here actually likes the Yankees.
Speaker A:Don't come for us.
Speaker A:And if you do like the Yankees.
Speaker A:Sorry, sorry, not your taste.
Speaker C:But if you're a Red Sox fan, come talk to me.
Speaker C:Ever suffering.
Speaker A:I'm an Orioles fan.
Speaker A:I don't wanna hear about it.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, I don't watch baseball.
Speaker C:It's fine.
Speaker B:But don't watch the bass with the ball.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker C:Base with the ball and the Stick.
Speaker A:No, you're there to watch them in the pants.
Speaker A:That's what you're there for.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C: ins episode was around, like,: Speaker C:So this is like six years later.
Speaker C:Ish.
Speaker C:Something like that.
Speaker C: If we're thinking: Speaker C:Ish.
Speaker C:Is that math?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know right now.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's fine.
Speaker C:And we learned that with Gerard being next, which we saw in Hen Begins.
Speaker C:They've been running through captains.
Speaker C:So Hen says, you know, like they're the island of misfit toys for retiring brass because they've gone through six captains in two years.
Speaker C:So that's not even talking about the other.
Speaker C:The previous four.
Speaker C:That's kind of like fan fiction gap.
Speaker C:And it seems like a lot of the captains that they have are there for a good time.
Speaker C:Definitely not a long time, and probably at the twilight days of their careers.
Speaker C:And so they're.
Speaker C:They're taking bets.
Speaker C:And this is the establishment of the betting pool in the 118.
Speaker C:And hen is the ringmaster of it, which I love, and I love any.
Speaker C:Anything in fan fiction that uses that trope because it is 100% canon.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:And then I also kind of wondered, just as a quick aside, like, when did the curse of the 118actually start?
Speaker C:When they're all in, like, the thick of the biggest emergencies?
Speaker C:Because it doesn't seem like it's in the last however many years.
Speaker C:So not that we really see it.
Speaker A:But, I mean, do I have to.
Speaker C:Say it starts with the.
Speaker C:Ends with.
Speaker C:Uck.
Speaker A:I was gonna say it's Eddie.
Speaker C:Oh, I mean, that's fair.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He comes in and there's an earthquake.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Shattering their world as they know it, including bucks.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So as.
Speaker C:As they're kind of taking.
Speaker C:Taking bets on how long this one's gonna last for.
Speaker C:For their new captain.
Speaker C:You know, Bobby pulls a fantastic move where he was just kind of, like, eavesdropping and hiding in the.
Speaker C:The cab of the engine, overhearing.
Speaker C:All of them just kind of, like, getting.
Speaker C:Getting like, the lay of the land and, like, kind of doing some very sneaky, like, recon of what they're actually saying behind his back before he even shows up, which I thought was amazing.
Speaker C:And Bobby should do that kind of stuff more often.
Speaker A:I think it's stuff that you would see, like when he's, like, hazing new people.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:So yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That kind of thing where, where he's like pulling the wool over like their eyes just, just a little bit like.
Speaker A:Like, like he does it to Buck when he shows up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like kinda kind of pulling their chains and seeing how they're going to react.
Speaker C:I think is fun for him and he needs all the fun that he can get, so.
Speaker A:Jesus God.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:So he kind of spooks them all and, and some of them for him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Some of them feel a little bad about it like hen and chimney and that's kind of it.
Speaker C:And like he's just fully reprimands them on the, on the state of, of their engine and, and the lack of stock supplies that they have.
Speaker C:And, and it's like whip them into shape, Bobby, because they, it seems like they've been.
Speaker C:Become a little more lackadaisical in.
Speaker C:Because they're like, we've got.
Speaker A:Have good leadership.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I wonder how long they've been without a captain at this point because.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Especially.
Speaker A:And are we implying that DeLuca is like the interim captain?
Speaker C:Because absolutely.
Speaker C:What.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's like no wonder they, they didn't appoint him over.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So they're.
Speaker C:They're basically all just very skeptical.
Speaker C:Skeptical about Bobby and with like understandably like they, they're kind of like little orphans looking for their home.
Speaker C:Their forever home.
Speaker C:And, and they don't know who's gonna keep them.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Until that was really sad.
Speaker A:I don't think that's the case.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:But that's cute.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we see this really cool like, montage that simultaneously shows how competent and good at his job Bobby is and also how he does not understand he's.
Speaker C:So out of his depth in LA LA at all.
Speaker A:Which is crazy that they just threw him onto the job without like letting him like shadow someone or like the.
Speaker C:Layo the land more.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:No, he just like got off a plane and then showed up at the 118 is basically what you get the feeling of.
Speaker A:But he, you know, he's Bobby.
Speaker A:So he picks up very quickly and then, you know, he finds himself in his.
Speaker A:His own element eventually pretty quickly too.
Speaker A:So then he gets to have the last laugh back at everyone who's kind of laughing at him being like, get on the freeway.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I, I really.
Speaker C:And this is the, the crazy train montage.
Speaker C:I really love how they did it because it was such like, you know, DeLuca makes the joke before Bobby like shows himself being like, you know, this LA will look like Mars to this Podunk guy.
Speaker C:And because, like, you know, anywhere in between, like, New York and California, Nebraska.
Speaker C:And it's like, to an extent, that is kind of true because, like, Bobby's just like, what is a palm tree?
Speaker C:And then the.
Speaker C:The falling machete and just, like, not what you expect.
Speaker C:And the stuff about the salon where it's like, I have an audition and, like, that LA culture.
Speaker C:So it's just kind of like it is Bobby entering a different world from what he's so used to.
Speaker C:He does take it in stride.
Speaker C:Like, he just has to find his bearings first.
Speaker C:And then he does.
Speaker C:He's looking through the paper maps like.
Speaker C:Like a newbie.
Speaker C:And he says, like, I need a decoder ring.
Speaker C:Who's.
Speaker C:Who lays out a city this way.
Speaker C:And it's just like, oh, boy.
Speaker A:To be fair, it is.
Speaker C:It's terrible.
Speaker A:It's so bad.
Speaker C:The grid system is awful.
Speaker A:The only thing.
Speaker A:The only thing worse is dc.
Speaker A:Well, in Boston, but Boston kind of has a grid system.
Speaker A:It's just the getting DC tried to have.
Speaker C:No, DC is like freemasonry and a.
Speaker A:Grid with, like, an absurd amount of traffic circles.
Speaker A:But, yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, it really is.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:But, like, even with, you know, feeling like a fish out of water, Bobby still tries to bring, like, his classic.
Speaker C:You know, he tries.
Speaker C:He tries to take on.
Speaker C:Take on the captain role and the leadership role.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And at that first scene with the.
Speaker C:With the palm tree, he's just kind of like, what do I do here?
Speaker C:Like, what's the.
Speaker C:What's the order of operations?
Speaker C:And DeLuca is the one to, like, start, you know, making the orders.
Speaker C:And Bobby's like, okay, well, we'll go with that, because I've never dealt with that before, so we're going to, you know, look to someone who has more experience with that.
Speaker C:And then at the salon, it's like the classic Bobby humor where he's like, don't decapitate her.
Speaker C:It's my first day.
Speaker C:Which is.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:On your second.
Speaker C:And also not something that you want to be hearing from.
Speaker C:From the person who is stuck in that hair dryer.
Speaker A:Like, his bedside manner is questionable.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It is classic Bobby gallows humor.
Speaker C:It's so funny because he has to make a joke of things in order to, like, live a little bit, you know, a little bit of levity here and there in the darkest way possible.
Speaker A:We needed it in the episode, too, because.
Speaker A:Dear God.
Speaker C:Which is what we got with the.
Speaker C:The cockfighting ring, which was quite something.
Speaker B:So chickens.
Speaker C:Look at all these chickens.
Speaker C:Wait, that is absolutely how we need to transition that.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So Bobby sings his best Nessarose.
Speaker C:Me and Bach.
Speaker A:Me and Bach.
Speaker A:He's so excited about this call.
Speaker A:So funny.
Speaker C:No, it's so great because he.
Speaker C:This is like his.
Speaker C:This is his wheelhouse.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:This is exactly what DeLuca said.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:This Podunk guy is going to be great in a barn, burning and whatever.
Speaker C:And it's like, well.
Speaker C:Well, yes.
Speaker A:Why, yes, he is.
Speaker C:Why, yes, he is, actually.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So we go.
Speaker C:It's this great, like, flip from the.
Speaker C:From the crazy train montage of, like, all of that culture shock that Bobby's experiencing to, like, oh, he knows exactly what to do now.
Speaker C:And he's just kind of, like, sitting back and, you know, letting the other LA firefighters do their thing, which is absolutely, like, not helpful and not productive as they're trying to, like, corner this rooster.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And Bobby's just, like, enjoying the moment and he lets himself, like, smile, have fun and laugh.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker A:And, like.
Speaker A:And have a good time because he's, like, kind of making fun of everyone around him because they don't know what the.
Speaker A:To do with this.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, it's just.
Speaker C:Even.
Speaker C:Even despite himself, he's like.
Speaker C:He's kind of in the moment, like, for once in probably what, six months at least.
Speaker C:Like, better part of a year.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's at that point that we meet Athena, or Bobby meets Athena also, which is like.
Speaker C:I love that they included her in this scene specifically.
Speaker C:And it's just like, so, what a.
Speaker C:What a.
Speaker C:Like, what a meet.
Speaker C:Cute.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:I'm trying really hard not to make the joke.
Speaker B:You should just make the joke.
Speaker B:Because I was just thinking about it.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Because I think I have it written down.
Speaker A:A romance is not dead.
Speaker A:You know, he handed her a cock.
Speaker A:That's how, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:He said, I am yours.
Speaker B:This is only for you.
Speaker A:My God.
Speaker C:I mean, it's.
Speaker A:It's very cute because, like, again, he's just having a great time, but he's like, oh, now I get to rope in this.
Speaker A:This stranger.
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:Like, like, does.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker C:Does he even take care of him?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Does he even, like, really introduce himself?
Speaker C:He's just like, okay, the.
Speaker A:Take care of this for me.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker C:The sergeant's on the scene.
Speaker C:I don't have to deal with it anymore.
Speaker C:Here you go.
Speaker C:Like, he's been unarmed.
Speaker C:And, like, what a lasting impression because he's just like, bye.
Speaker C:And peace is out.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:And then Athena's Just left here.
Speaker C:Like, absolutely not.
Speaker C:Like what am I supposed to do?
Speaker A:She's not happy.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So it also, it's kind of funny because it puts her at like, like off her, off her footing, off her game.
Speaker C:Which is just like a really cute way to have them have their first interaction.
Speaker C:Because then you get Bobby feeling like kind of like comfortable and a little like silly, goofy happy.
Speaker C:And Athena's just kind of like, huh, what's going on?
Speaker C:Which is how Bobby's felt all day.
Speaker A:Like he was, she was like the.
Speaker B:Audacity to hand me this zero respect.
Speaker C:Like, like, what am I supposed to do with this?
Speaker C:Now he's just like, gotta go to the next one.
Speaker C:Bye.
Speaker A:I also really like that we get another lore drop of, of Hen being like a low key animal rights act.
Speaker A:Oh and Chimney being like, her name is Hen.
Speaker C:Like what a fantastic moment.
Speaker C:Like opportunity to put like two and two together.
Speaker C:So it's like of course it's, it's her, her feathered brethren.
Speaker C:Uh, and then, but it.
Speaker C:So we see this like really lovely moment of kind of feeling at home, feeling in the present moment, a little bit of joy in there.
Speaker C:And then it cuts to know Bobby on the, on the phone with his sponsor back in Minnesota and, and they're like talking about, yeah, Bobby's feeling.
Speaker C:Bobby's doing great.
Speaker C:He's going to the meetings, he's doing what he needs to do.
Speaker C:And it kind of gives you a red herring with the, with the way the shots are set up because he's in the car and it hands to, you know, people outside a door makes.
Speaker A:It look like he might be going in or out of a meeting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like an aa, like at a church.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then it's not.
Speaker C:And it's Dirty Tims.
Speaker C:Dirty Tim's good old Dirty Tim's gonna start calling that him that from now on.
Speaker B:Dang Dirty Tim.
Speaker A:That damn Dirty Tim back at it again.
Speaker B:Isn't it like damn dirty?
Speaker B:No, Dirty Dan.
Speaker C:Is it just Dirty Dan?
Speaker C:No, I'm Dirty Dan.
Speaker B:Oh, it is Dirty Dan.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And I'm Pinhead Larry.
Speaker C:So who's been had Larry in this?
Speaker C:But moving on.
Speaker A:So yeah.
Speaker A:He then has to punish himself for having, you know, a little bit of fun, a moment of, of like not self flagellants, like so he punishes himself by breaking his sobriety.
Speaker A:And it's like for me it's the, the fact that he actively chose that it wasn't like he felt like, like a point of origin where he literally just is so triggered that he you know, does that.
Speaker A:It's the fact that he was just like, no, I need to punish myself and this is the best way to do it.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker C:And it's not even like stuck where it was an accidental.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:With.
Speaker C:With taking.
Speaker C:Eating the.
Speaker C:The brownies.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:And he didn't know.
Speaker C:I think that's a great thing to point out that it was an active decision on his part which we have not seen up to this point.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We had unknown to him, so against his own will, we had him like spiral triggered.
Speaker A:Yeah, spiral, spiral triggered.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Then this is just like, I need to hurt myself and I'm going to do that by breaking what I've been working so hard at doing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because I don't.
Speaker A:This moment of happiness, it's just like.
Speaker C:Which, which then he.
Speaker C:He brings up when he goes to confession the first time where chronologically the first time he goes to that particular church.
Speaker C:And I might have said this earlier, but we are in the pre hot priest era.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do we ever see him actually do confession in a confessional?
Speaker C:I don't think so.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:And it's, it's interesting because it's the same thing.
Speaker C:The Father Jameson forgot that for a second was like, sorry to keep you waiting.
Speaker C:And Bobby invites him to be just like, hey, we can just chat out here.
Speaker C:Just like he invited Father Brian.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:In the pilot episode.
Speaker C:So it's interesting that it was like.
Speaker C:It's also his decision to not have these kind of conversations in the confessional as well.
Speaker C:And I kind of.
Speaker A:He can like, look at them and like, feel like he's being held accountable more.
Speaker C:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker C:Or maybe like a feeling of.
Speaker C:Of like.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't know, maybe it's like the.
Speaker B:Moment of like seeing someone's facial expression and seeing the moment when they're passing judgment across your face.
Speaker C:That's exactly what I was thinking, actually.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, like, like you want to.
Speaker B:See that disappointment because there's a lack.
Speaker C:Of an anonymous anonymity.
Speaker C:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Anemone anonymity.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Is that correct?
Speaker C:I think so.
Speaker C:Because there's.
Speaker C:There's that lack of anonymity there.
Speaker C:So then he's like, I, I have to.
Speaker C:I guess another way of him feeling like he has to own up to.
Speaker C:It's maybe a responsibility thing.
Speaker C:Like I have to own up to the, the choices that I've made sort of thing.
Speaker C:And I have to.
Speaker C:I have to see the, the judgment from others because this is the only person that I'm gonna Be like, you know, fully transparent with.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:So he's, he's doing this like whole self flagellating thing in front of the priest to like make himself feel worse, right?
Speaker C:And the priest is just like, nah, no, like what you don't, you don't deserve.
Speaker C:You don't deserve good things you don't deserve.
Speaker C:And he's like, no, I don't.
Speaker C:Like, tell me.
Speaker C:I'm like, tell me I'm bad.
Speaker C:And, and Father Jameson is like, not gonna do that.
Speaker B:Well, I know someone else who feels like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, sounding pretty familiar.
Speaker B:Someone who doesn't deserve joy or forgiveness.
Speaker B:Forgiveness or good things in life.
Speaker C:Or juice.
Speaker B:Or juice.
Speaker C:Or juice.
Speaker A:Or juice.
Speaker C:This theory is so real.
Speaker C:And so Bobby is just really beating himself over the head with like, you know, he, he let himself forget for a moment all of the, all of the bad things he's done, all of the terrible, like, crimes that he's committed against humanity.
Speaker C:Basically, you know, his, his like thousand pound cross to bear.
Speaker C:But for a moment he forgot because he was doing good work with good people and it felt familiar.
Speaker C:Like his life before and he can't live in that before time ever again.
Speaker C:There was a before he did what he did and there's an after.
Speaker C:And yeah, he just.
Speaker C:And never the twain shall meet.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like he said, he thinks, he thought if he let himself, he could go on living here, but that's not the plan.
Speaker C:And that's why he's so upset about it, because it's like for a second he forgot that he had a plan in place about how he was going to balance the books.
Speaker A:Natasha Romanoff.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:If he felt for a brief second that he could go on living here in LA with the people that he's working with, well, that defeats his whole purpose.
Speaker C:And he's not allowed.
Speaker C:He's not allowed.
Speaker C:And Father Jameson is like, there was only one person who's good at multitasking from across.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, I need this line to be used on all of my favorite martyr syndrome characters.
Speaker C:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker C:Matt Murdock.
Speaker C:Hello.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:For real?
Speaker C:Wait, can Father Jameson and Father what's his name?
Speaker C:Lang.
Speaker A:Someone wrote a fic where Matt met this priest when he was like in LA for a fitting for one of his outfits.
Speaker C:Oh, that's so great.
Speaker A:Someone else do it.
Speaker C:Oh, I thought you said someone has written that.
Speaker A:No, I'm saying someone should do it.
Speaker C:Please.
Speaker C:Oh my God, that would be so good.
Speaker A:We need more daredevil crossover.
Speaker C:911 crossover.
Speaker C:Okay, so moving on.
Speaker C:Are we at the restaurant.
Speaker C:Hell, still at the restaurant.
Speaker A:Still sitting in the fire I started.
Speaker B:Jesus.
Speaker C:It's not wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this is.
Speaker A:This is a really sad call.
Speaker A:And they, they.
Speaker A:Whenever you're.
Speaker A:Whenever you see, like so much backstory for a call, you know, it's gonna have heavy implicit.
Speaker A:Well, it's gonna hurt.
Speaker A:And it's gonna have heavy implications to either mirror something that's going on with the character that's on the call, or it's foreshadowing for something that is going to happen later.
Speaker A:So in this case, it's both.
Speaker A:Which is fun.
Speaker C:Yeah, super fun.
Speaker C:Love that.
Speaker A:Super fun.
Speaker A:But yeah, I mean, it is.
Speaker A:It's really sad because it's just a family that is trying to like, get by on the income of their restaurant that's really unsuccessful and, like, they're just declining.
Speaker A:And, you know, he starts a fire for the insurance money, but his kid forgot something and, like, had to go back in, I think his laptop.
Speaker C:His laptop.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I mean, like, mood.
Speaker A:If I was gonna run back into my apartment for like one thing, it would probably be, oh, like my laptop or hard drive with all my on it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, it's an understandable thing, but it's also like, you know, if you're planning on committing arson for insurance fraud, you want to cover all your.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he didn't know his kid was good.
Speaker A:No, I.
Speaker C:So I don't think it was very well thought out.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:There is the dad's name.
Speaker C:It's just like, feeling the pressure.
Speaker C:Feeling like he had to, you know, provide for his family and that he had to failing at it, which is.
Speaker C:I mean, this whole thing is.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't even need to really point it out, but it's an obvious parallel to Bobby.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:He makes a split second decision that affects his family for the rest of their lives.
Speaker A:It's reflecting how Bobby kind of.
Speaker A:I mean, not really the same thing, but it's reflecting how, like, it's triggering because, like, kid in the fire, dad.
Speaker C:Goes back in to save them.
Speaker A:Dad goes back in to try and save him.
Speaker A:And then the confessing.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Later.
Speaker A:Because he doesn't even.
Speaker A:He doesn't even try and deny it.
Speaker A:Like, he's just like, they showed up and he was just like, yeah, I did it, like, and that's what Bobby did.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And the thing is, like, you know, sir, are you sure you want to.
Speaker A:Like, she was about to be like.
Speaker C:Do you want a lawyer?
Speaker A:You should say nothing.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:She didn't even Read your Miranda rights yet.
Speaker C:Like, I do want to kind of point out, like, the difference here, because I think Bobby obviously feels a lot of kindred spirit and like, very sad way with this.
Speaker C:With this dad, with Victor, because they basically.
Speaker C:If you look at it from, like, the main beats of it, it's basically the same thing.
Speaker C:However, when you get into it a little more and you zoom in, for lack of a better term.
Speaker C:I mean, I know Bobby feels like it's.
Speaker C:The apartment fire was, like, completely his fault, but he was cleared because of the building codes.
Speaker A:It wasn't directly his fault.
Speaker C:It wasn't directly his fault.
Speaker A:He didn't have an intention to do anything.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It's intention.
Speaker A:He didn't have an intention to harm anyone but himself.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It's the intention here that I think really differentiates Victor from Bobby.
Speaker C:Even though Bobby sees himself so much in Victor.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:It's that even though those were both, like a split second decision sort of thing, Victor did it on purpose to help his family.
Speaker C:It was the wrong decision to make.
Speaker A:Well, because his kid almost.
Speaker A:Well, first of all.
Speaker C:First of all, it's illegal.
Speaker C:Second.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, but his kid almost died in it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:In, you know, a firefighter almost died in it too.
Speaker A:All of them actually could have.
Speaker A:It had gone a little differently.
Speaker C:If, like, the shoe was on the other foot and there was the investigation about that, Victor would not have been cleared because.
Speaker C:Yeah, he was the actual instigator in that.
Speaker C:And with Bobby, he had no intention to do anything like that.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he sees it as he was trying to help his family.
Speaker A:And like, I was.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:You know, I don't think he has, like, accepted that because he's an addict and it's a disease that, like, he wasn't actively choosing to do anything to.
Speaker A:To hurt other people.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, I think he can't tell the difference there.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:So to him, his addictions were the same thing as worse.
Speaker C:Active.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Worse than actively deciding to commit insurance fraud.
Speaker A:Because he hates that he's turning him in.
Speaker C:He hates that he doesn't want to.
Speaker A:But he's like.
Speaker A:But also, arson is wrong because it's very dangerous and dangerous people.
Speaker C:Well, he also.
Speaker C:He feels so much of that guilt for.
Speaker C:I think this comes in.
Speaker C:In the second confession or something where, you know, he.
Speaker C:Where Bobby is feeling so guilty about, you know, my family got killed because of my actions in his mind, and I'm the one that gets cleared.
Speaker C:Whereas this.
Speaker C:This man, this other man was also just Trying to do right by his family and, like, provide for them and made a bad choice, but he has to suffer the consequences of it.
Speaker C:Him just, like, grappling with how the fairness of that.
Speaker C:It's because he can't see that, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:See the differences there.
Speaker C:It's not the same.
Speaker C:It's similar, but he's just like, no, it's exact.
Speaker A:Well, sounds like somebody else I know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Comparing himself to.
Speaker C:Oh, I wonder who.
Speaker A:Someone else.
Speaker C:Wonder who.
Speaker C:After they go to the restaurant.
Speaker C:Because of the actions that DeLuca made by running in to get the kid before Bobby even, like, gave.
Speaker C:Gave the orders, he just kind of, like, ran in.
Speaker C:It could have ended really badly, but it didn't.
Speaker C:But it could have.
Speaker A:But there's strategy to these things and there's a reason why there is a captain specifically, who takes into.
Speaker A:Incidentally count everything that's happening and then they send people in in a way that is going to be the most safe.
Speaker C:But we see why.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:He was passed over for captain because he wants to be the hero without taking.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:But he can't lead.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So even though he says, like, And.
Speaker C:And this is also.
Speaker C:This is when Bobby and DeLuca come to blows afterward.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And DeLuca's like, you know, like, I have the skill that it takes to lead this house.
Speaker C:But Bobby's like.
Speaker C:But definitely not the temperament, obviously, because you have to be elite.
Speaker C:You have to be able to lead.
Speaker C:And that's what a true, like, captain or leader does, which is what Bobby is.
Speaker C:And like.
Speaker C:So it kind of seems to me that that DeLuca was maybe the main ringleader during, like, Gerard's old guard sort of thing, like, like taking.
Speaker C:Taking kind of after Gerard and.
Speaker C:Because it's.
Speaker C:It seems like he was, you know, the leader, you know, when they.
Speaker C:When they didn't really have one.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And it's interesting, too, because we.
Speaker C:During this scene, we see Bob, we see Chimney and Hen coming in because they were in, like, the locker room or something, and they see, like, something's happening and they come in and they're kind of blocked.
Speaker C:The blocking is like, they're on Bobby's side right on the side of the room, and Tommy is kind of in the middle, but, like, a little more to DeLuca's side of it.
Speaker C:So I thought that was kind of interesting how they, like, divvied that up to.
Speaker C:To kind of, like, draw the line in the sand there.
Speaker C:Because, I mean, we know, like, Hen and Jimny are.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Bobby's besties.
Speaker C:Bobby's willing to give DeLuca a second chance.
Speaker C:But DeLuca can't see the forest for the trees and is too like, you know, full of himself and.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's just so full of himself.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's like, but what do you.
Speaker A:What reason do you have big cool fire.
Speaker A:Be full of yourself.
Speaker A:Because they could have saved that kid in a different way.
Speaker A:Like you just.
Speaker C:He wasn't working as a team.
Speaker C:He was, you know, it was serving his own self interest of, of being the hero guy.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I mean, I guess I'll like say this because I know that like people could draw parallels between him and Buck because Buck also just runs in.
Speaker A:But the reasoning for why they do it in situations is completely different because for Buck it would just be.
Speaker A:It's a kid.
Speaker C:I have to help them.
Speaker C:And I mean, even though they're.
Speaker C:They're both similar and like, I guess they know what they're capable of.
Speaker C:Bucks is so much more selfless and DeLuca seems like it's more self serving.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's the difference there.
Speaker C:So that's why, you know, even.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's why Bobby kind of have their little like tiffs or differences about some stuff like that.
Speaker C:It's kind of blows over because it's not coming from a place of ego for Beth.
Speaker B:You know, I also feel like it's the.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:It's the lack of respect that DeLuca has as opposed to Buck, who has so much respect for Bobby.
Speaker B:So like when Buck gets his, you know, gets reprimanded by Bobby, like he takes it to.
Speaker B:I think he does take it to heart.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He can either.
Speaker B:But I think he learns with it.
Speaker B:You know, he learns from it.
Speaker B:And DeLuca here is more like, like he just feels like, you know, his hackles are.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's ready to like fight back and just again.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's in a corner and he's just like, I'm.
Speaker B:I don't respect you.
Speaker B:You just came in and.
Speaker C:Yeah, I.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker C:And it, I think it is from his own ego that he wasn't really understanding that Bobby was willing to give him a second chance.
Speaker C:It was just you know, just kind of like, hey, you know, like slap on the wrist, don't do that again.
Speaker C:Because that was very dangerous.
Speaker C:I have to like, DeLuca was seeing that as like Bobby marking his territory as like the guy in charge sort of thing, which is absolutely like categorically untrue.
Speaker C:Bobby has never had to do that because he leads with his Heart.
Speaker C:And he doesn't have to lead with, like, an iron fist sort of thing.
Speaker C:He's gentle parent bobby.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And DeLuca just doesn't understand that that's where Bobby's coming from.
Speaker C:So it's also a lack of willing to open up and allow Bobby into this space that he has or that DeLuca feels that he has a right to, but she doesn't.
Speaker C:So then DeLuca's, you know, really kind of forcing his hand.
Speaker C:Bobby's just like, okay, bye.
Speaker C:Don't.
Speaker C:Don't bother coming back.
Speaker C:Thanks so much.
Speaker B:Basically.
Speaker C:Because Bobby has to make those hard decisions.
Speaker C:Probably catch up a little bit with that bar Bobby.
Speaker C:Bonding time.
Speaker A:I know this is out of order, but we're.
Speaker A:For our scene dissection.
Speaker A:We're doing the bar.
Speaker A:So I was gonna say we'll just skip the bar and, like, go to.
Speaker A:Following his hunch.
Speaker C:Puts his little.
Speaker C:Little investigative hat on because, you know, a light bulb moment happened, and he's like, oh, well, let me check on this.
Speaker C:Because of his understanding of how sources of fires happen, it just so happens that Athena is also following her own hunch.
Speaker C:And it's just like soulmates.
Speaker C:It's so sweet that, like, you see from the very beginning how, like, similarly, they kind of, like, approach their jobs, but also, like, just generally in the way they think.
Speaker C:And this is one of the reasons why they mesh so well.
Speaker C:And they make such a good team when they do their little, like, detective thing together because they always solve the case and.
Speaker C:And by putting, like.
Speaker C:So they come at it with their own expertise, but.
Speaker C:And that's only half of the picture.
Speaker C:But when you put it together, it makes the whole picture.
Speaker C:And that's when they discover that, you know, it was a improvised incendiary device, which is important to remember for the rest of the season, the last two episodes.
Speaker C:Improvised incendiary device.
Speaker C:It runs in the family.
Speaker C:We don't really need to get into the details of that.
Speaker C:There it was.
Speaker C:It was discovered that, like, yeah, the.
Speaker C:The dad did it on purpose because all of the breakers were fine and the sprinkler system never.
Speaker C:And the water valve would shut off.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:It had just gotten inspected.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Although the mouth was not mathing.
Speaker A:And they both realized that because they're both very smart.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's when we see that second scene in that second confession where Bobby's like, well, now I know that this.
Speaker C:This guy did it on purpose.
Speaker C:And we get all of that guilt coming back again.
Speaker C:And there was the story of St.
Speaker C:Paul, right.
Speaker C:Where it was that Father Jameson gives him.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The moral of the story was basically, like, grace is not something that you earn or deserve, but it's a divine gift.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:And Bobby's just supposed to accept that, which.
Speaker C:So I'm not as familiar with, like, the.
Speaker C:The story of the saints or anything.
Speaker A:Like that, but I mean, it's just kind of like an overall, like, what Christianity is, which is just, like, you don't get to decide if what you did is too bad to ever be able to be forgiven, because that's.
Speaker C:Don't worry about it.
Speaker A:Jesus covers all of that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's got you covered.
Speaker A:It's the.
Speaker A:It's all love here.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's in the club.
Speaker C:In the sinner club.
Speaker C:Oh, God.
Speaker B:In the club.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But that's what he.
Speaker A:That's what the priest is saying.
Speaker A:He's like, you don't get to decide, like, if you deserve forgiveness.
Speaker A:You don't get to just decide what you deserve in this situation, because that's.
Speaker A:I mean, we're talking about Bobby's faith because God decides that basically.
Speaker A:And if you want to look at it from, like, not a religious lens, you can look at it that, like, all humans.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Deserve, like, happiness and deserve to find forgiveness and be given grace.
Speaker C:It's the trying when they are trying.
Speaker A:The efforts when they're.
Speaker A:When they're making mistakes, but trying shouldn't have to nail yourself to a cross for the rest of your life.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's all after that is when, you know, they go to.
Speaker C:Bobby and Athena go to the hospital.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't really know why Bobby needs to be there, but I think it's, like, one of the most egregious, like, going beyond the glass doors that I think we've seen.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:It's because he feels so guilty.
Speaker A:It's because he feels so guilty.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And Victor confesses.
Speaker C:And, you know, his.
Speaker C:His family's there and, like, watching this happen as he gets, like, taken away.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's a different.
Speaker A:It's a different.
Speaker A:It's a mirror.
Speaker A:It's a mirror to, like, him.
Speaker A:So it's like this family was also destroyed, but just in a different way, you know?
Speaker A:And he also had to watch as the last of his family was.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Taken away from him in a hospital after he lost his kids.
Speaker A:And it's like, now their family is getting.
Speaker A:It's also taken away from them in a hospital.
Speaker A:So I think that was all, like, put together just to, like, mirror that.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:If it's better or worse that, like, the.
Speaker C:The mom and the son, like, were, like, they were in denial to.
Speaker C:They had to watch as their husband or their father confessed to doing this really bad thing and know that he was guilty of it because he confessed to it.
Speaker C:But with.
Speaker C:But with Marcy and the kids, like, they never really knew that it was kind of Bobby's fault.
Speaker C:And I think that's also something that Bobby wrestles with, that they didn't quote, unquote, like, know the truth of him and what he's done.
Speaker C:And this family has to live with the knowledge that, you know, this person who's so important to them did something so bad.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I don't really know, but I feel like there's something there in that parallel as well.
Speaker C:He's not a criminal, though.
Speaker A:A son is like, my dad didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker A:It's like, but he just confessed to the crime.
Speaker C:But, okay, and we'll see that in, I think, 218.
Speaker C:Kind of the fallout of them having to live with the knowledge that he did something so bad, like, the consequence, like, they had to live with the consequences of his actions, whereas Bobby was the only one that had to live with the consequences of his actions.
Speaker C:And which is, like, not that it's a competition or anything, but, like, what's worse, you know, and because neither of them are.
Speaker C:Neither of them are great options there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hey, where's the fire?
Speaker A:All right, so pull.
Speaker C:Pull up seat.
Speaker C:Club soda's fine.
Speaker A:Have a drink.
Speaker A:That's still a drink.
Speaker A:Have a liquid.
Speaker C:Have a liquid.
Speaker B:Have your liquid courage.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker C:It's so be.
Speaker A:Like, get.
Speaker A:Get an actual soda, man.
Speaker C:Oh, you think that man's gonna order some juice?
Speaker C:At least it has bubbles.
Speaker C:At least it has bubbles.
Speaker A:Get a mocktail.
Speaker C:No, like, he would even allow himself that.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:Mean.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Anyway, so.
Speaker A:So hen.
Speaker A:So hen kind of tries to have this talk with Bobby about, like, I think trying to be like, hey, here, let me.
Speaker A:Let me.
Speaker A:Let me tell you about me and the team a little bit more.
Speaker A:But also, I think the goal there was to be like, ye.
Speaker A:I don't think you should have fired DeLuca.
Speaker A:I don't think he deserved to lose.
Speaker C:He was doing that in the most, like.
Speaker C:And in doing that diplomatic way possible, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But in the process, she finds out that Bobby did not fire him.
Speaker A:He just recommended to the chief that he get suspended for a couple weeks and get transferred to a different station.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:And she's like, that's Very generous.
Speaker A:And she is.
Speaker A:She is also not.
Speaker C:She's also not used to a true leader at all because she's had.
Speaker C:I mean, she's had to deal with Gerard and then, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Who also a bunch of people.
Speaker C:If they were on their way out to retirement.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:They were probably closer to Gerard than any.
Speaker C:Than anything else and calling it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:They were either like, kind of phoning it in because they were close to retirement or because they're close to retirement.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:They help.
Speaker C:They might have held a lot of those same kind of beliefs, ideas about.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, maybe not as drastic, you know, like, maybe not as bigoted, but it would be very imagined.
Speaker C:So I think that's also why.
Speaker C:Yeah, I.
Speaker C:I think that is.
Speaker C:That is why Hend almost comes to, like, in defense of DeLuca in, like, a very light way.
Speaker C:Like, she's not saying that he's good or anything, but because they've the 118 as the unit have had to kind of, like, close their ranks because they've.
Speaker C:They've been through so many captains that they kind of have to, like, lead themselves a little bit.
Speaker C:So I think that is more of like a.
Speaker C:A bonding experience.
Speaker C:And because they have to trust each other, because they can't trust the person to lead them or that there will be a person to lead them.
Speaker C: , gap in time from, you know,: Speaker C:Which is like six, seven years later.
Speaker C:So, like, I get it.
Speaker C:Even though I wouldn't say they're.
Speaker C:They're all buddy.
Speaker C:Buddy.
Speaker A:No, but it's like they respect each other as firefighters, you know.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Because there has to be a level of.
Speaker A:Of trust and respect to be able to, like, work with people in that kind of job.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, so she.
Speaker A:So she learns this, and she invites Bobby to come out for drinks with her, Chim and Rocco.
Speaker A:Tommy.
Speaker A:And so the scene is Hen Chim and Tommy at the table, and they're talking kind of like, about the day, and she didn't tell them that she invited Bobby.
Speaker A:It's like, I don't know.
Speaker A:They like dramatic entrances.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think Tommy is the one who was saying, like, he was just doing it to try and, you know, again, kind of like closing in ranks with DeLuca being like, he was just doing us a try and, like, mark his territory.
Speaker C:And Chimney is kind of like, in the same boat as hen because he's like, you know, DeLuca was a tool, but a useful one at least.
Speaker C:Like, I don't think the punishment fit the crime.
Speaker C:Like, oh, and it was Tommy who was like, he's marking.
Speaker C:Like, Bobby's marking his territory.
Speaker C:They're both kind of, like, underestimating Bobby, you know, and kind of tells.
Speaker C:Tells them the information that she's had in her little back pocket and just, like, decides to, like, lore drop on them the most opportune moment, and then they're kind of like, oh, wow.
Speaker C:He's not like other captains, actually.
Speaker C:He's not like other captains.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker A:He's a cool captain.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So there's.
Speaker C:There's a little bit of, like, respect that's built there because just, like, hen they did not expect to lead her.
Speaker A:And don't have experience with this kind of later.
Speaker A:So then Bobby pulls up a chair.
Speaker C:Pulls up a chair, sits on it backwards.
Speaker A:I'm just like, he is so cool.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Buys them drinks.
Speaker A:He's very.
Speaker A:He's very much endearing himself to them and, like, building, like, a rapport and trust, which you need to have to be able to, like, effectively lead.
Speaker A:So, you know, he's just continuing to do the things that he needs to do to be a good leader, which he is.
Speaker A:And then we get, like, very small lore drops about, like, some scars, like, how they.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker A:All of them got scars except for chimney.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is.
Speaker C:They were so mean.
Speaker A:That was the joke.
Speaker C:He's like, I am thus far unscarred, and I intend to keep it that way.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker A:And he's like, I'm gonna stay that way.
Speaker A:Oh, honey, you got.
Speaker A:Well, they stopped giving him the scar on his head, which is crazy.
Speaker C:They can argue with it.
Speaker C:It just gets, like, lighter.
Speaker C:And at one point.
Speaker C:At one.
Speaker C:At some point, they do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They don't do it at all anymore, though.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:It would still be a faint scar.
Speaker A:Like, I've had.
Speaker A:I had one surgery, and it was an appendectomy, and I still have a scar, even though it's supposed to, like, you know, kind of be invisible because they went in through my belly button.
Speaker A:You can still see there's a little scar's a miracle.
Speaker C:Anyway, so the one on his forehead.
Speaker A:Okay, sure.
Speaker A:But, yeah, no, he has that.
Speaker A:He has.
Speaker A:He has the.
Speaker C:I didn't even think about stab wound.
Speaker C:But the thing is, like, he doesn't even get those on the job either, because all of.
Speaker C:All of the.
Speaker A:All of the scars that they're bonding.
Speaker C:Over, like, they got on the job.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So technically, they're on the job.
Speaker C:On the job.
Speaker C:Like that.
Speaker C:But he's not unscarred.
Speaker B:Yeah, and let's.
Speaker C:And let's keep it that way.
Speaker B:Please enter my near dirty Tim.
Speaker A:So I did want to ask.
Speaker A:The scar that Tommy's talking about, is that the fire that Chim pulled him out of?
Speaker A:Oh, because he said a warehouse fire.
Speaker C:Did.
Speaker C:I didn't even clock that.
Speaker C:He did say that, but, like, chimney, I think.
Speaker B:I think I thought about it for a second, but I was wondering.
Speaker C:Because chimney could have said, like.
Speaker C:Yeah, and it could have been.
Speaker C:Could have been a lot worse, but no.
Speaker A:Yeah, but chimney wouldn't, so.
Speaker A:Because that's not how chimney functions, you know.
Speaker C:Yes, we'll.
Speaker C:We'll go with that.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I think technically.
Speaker C:Well, chimney pulled him out before it went big boom.
Speaker C:But he was in.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he's definitely gonna have scars and burn marks from that.
Speaker A:Like, he was in the hospital.
Speaker A:They didn't know if he was gonna make it, so.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:Why not?
Speaker C:And, like, hen shows hers.
Speaker C:Bobby talks about his.
Speaker C:He says that it was from, like, yeah, sparks.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Sparks.
Speaker A:The idea.
Speaker C:And that's when the little light bulb moment goes off, and he's like, I gotta go.
Speaker C:And they're like, but what?
Speaker C:You just got here.
Speaker C:You were just showing us that you were cool, actually.
Speaker A:What's wrong, Lassie?
Speaker A:It's Timmy and Luel.
Speaker C:No, that's Eddie.
Speaker C:You walked right into that one.
Speaker A:Does that make.
Speaker C:Does that make Buck Lassy?
Speaker C:Yes, it does.
Speaker C:She's using his little paws.
Speaker C:No, we gotta move on.
Speaker C:Okay, I did.
Speaker A:Are we done with scene dice?
Speaker A:Was there more to talk about with scene dissection?
Speaker C:I just wanted to point out the thing that Tommy said about, like, you know, being single is easier.
Speaker C:Having the scars impresses women, but getting them freaks them out.
Speaker C:And I'm just like.
Speaker C:I don't know what to do with that.
Speaker C:I mean, because.
Speaker C:Because looking back at it.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, they could.
Speaker B:I mean, I was just gonna say, like, that could be one of the reasons.
Speaker B:I mean, one of the reasons he used to break up with what's her face.
Speaker B:If they were still together at that point or if they were together at that point.
Speaker A:I think they were because they had just kind of broken up recently, or.
Speaker C:Would they have not been together yet since, like, 20.
Speaker C: ,: Speaker C:Oh, you said three years.
Speaker A:They were engaged.
Speaker C:I think they were together for three, engaged for two.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:So somewhere in there.
Speaker A:Okay, yeah.
Speaker C:Ooh.
Speaker A:So, yeah, this.
Speaker A:He would have been together with her.
Speaker C:I mean, this whole thing is retcon, let's be real.
Speaker C:But it's also just like.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:Oh, it's so messy, but it's a fun one.
Speaker C:So messy.
Speaker C:When you look at.
Speaker A:It's the best retcon ever, actually.
Speaker A:It's hilarious.
Speaker C:It's the messiest retcon because it makes it so much funnier knowing what we know now.
Speaker C:Not only the Tommy being.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker C:But the Tommy being engaged to Abby around.
Speaker C:Still around this time.
Speaker C:Did anyone at the 118 know, like.
Speaker A:Talking about picking up chicks?
Speaker A:Cheater.
Speaker C:Cheater.
Speaker C:So it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, I think that's.
Speaker A:I just thought about Buck when he said that, because.
Speaker A:Not because of the connection with Tommy and Buck, but, like, getting them scares them away because that's what happened.
Speaker C:I thought about that, too.
Speaker C:With Ali.
Speaker C:Yeah, with Ali.
Speaker A:About two episodes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Can't handle it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Which is a little bit of foreshadowing.
Speaker C:That that happened, that.
Speaker C:That it was Tommy that said that.
Speaker A:It's, like, weird in retrospect.
Speaker C:What Just these little things that keep lining up that it's like, we know they weren't doing this part on purpose, but, like.
Speaker A:Yes, on purpose.
Speaker A:Well, they were foreshadowing that on purpose, but they did not know.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:In six seasons, we will have decided this man is gay and they share an ex and are dating each other.
Speaker C:Wild words.
Speaker A:They didn't know.
Speaker C:Well, first we have the.
Speaker C:The church confession.
Speaker C:There was just a couple things that I wanted to point out about that one, because this is, like, right after Victor is apprehended at the hospital.
Speaker C:And, yes, this is why I wanted to talk about this, because that.
Speaker C:That goes.
Speaker C:That leads directly into the.
Speaker C:The next montage that, like, you know, it.
Speaker C:Bobby says, like, it really stung that the kid called him a liar because he.
Speaker C:He feels like it.
Speaker C:And Father Jameson is like, well, yeah, by your own admission, you are a liar and a hypocrite.
Speaker C:I'm like, great, thanks.
Speaker C:That is so helpful to.
Speaker C:To this guy who is, like, trying to.
Speaker C:To give penance for every little single bad thing that he's ever done.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And Bobby's like.
Speaker C:He doesn't want the team to know about his.
Speaker C:About his past because he needs to trust them, because he needs to be in two places at once.
Speaker C:And this is where we also get.
Speaker C:He needs to be in front of them, to lead them, but also behind so he can always have their backs.
Speaker C:And this is just another instance of, you know, having.
Speaker C:Having someone's back again.
Speaker C:This was, I think, the Second or third only platonic having, having your back sort of thing that we've seen.
Speaker C:And this is where Father Jameson kind of gives the slightly off center advice again because he's like, it's coming from a good place.
Speaker C:Because he says to Bobby that, you know, you don't have to tell them what you've done in order to show them who you are.
Speaker C:The showing who you are is the good part of the advice.
Speaker C:But the not having to tell them, I'm like, oops, one second.
Speaker C:The, the not having to tell them part, I'm like, and I wrote down, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker C:Until he has the worst day ever in 104 and relapses and then hen and buck have to find him pass the F out and questions arise like, and he needs help because he hasn't allowed himself to lean on anybody because he hasn't told anybody anything.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's just the fact that he, that the priest didn't even encourage him to like tell people that, yeah, he is a widow and lost his children.
Speaker A:Like, he doesn't have to give them the entire story, but like, they didn't even know that he had been married and had children.
Speaker C:You could say, like, well, Bobby may have taken the advice a little too far.
Speaker C:But like for someone who's going like line by line by whatever the priests basically tell him, like Bobby thinks, okay, so I don't have to tell them anything about me.
Speaker C:I just have to show them who I am and that will do that job for me.
Speaker C:And it's like, no, because that doesn't help you.
Speaker C:That may help them.
Speaker C:But, but how does that help you?
Speaker C:Like, yeah, continue on.
Speaker C:And again, like the, the reason for the advice is good, but it's, it's kind of like Bobby's, Bobby's flavor of advice where it's like intention is good, but it's just like a little, it's just a little off from what's actually going to be helpful for him.
Speaker C:And then we get into the montage.
Speaker A:Yeah, this is, yeah, this is another scenario where it's like, wish he would have been in therapy because the therapist would have been like, you absolutely need to open up to people about at least part of this.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just feel like it.
Speaker B:He absolutely needs to open up to people.
Speaker B:But like when he's ready or like with therapy it'll like guide him to a point where he is ready to actually open up with people.
Speaker B:The two people about like his past.
Speaker B:Because yeah, this is where I hate.
Speaker C:Where you kind of go steps forward, one step back.
Speaker B:No, I was just gonna say, like, when you kind of, like, blindly follow advice from people and not really, like, put in your own autonomy onto it, like that kind of spend.
Speaker B:That's what I kind of.
Speaker C:Or like, your own.
Speaker C:You're.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You're just taking it as.
Speaker C:As given.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And not, like, how will this work for me?
Speaker A:Well, yeah, and it's like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's like that for sure.
Speaker A:But even though this is a priest, not a therapist like his, he's like, I guess they get some counseling, like, training, but it's like, he doesn't.
Speaker A:He barely knows this priest, too.
Speaker A:So this is like, really trusting him to take his advice.
Speaker A:But, like, I mean, it's.
Speaker A:It's like trusting a co worker you've known for.
Speaker A:For a couple days, basically because he's met this guy only a couple times.
Speaker A:So to, like, just trust their advice, like, point blank is kind of crazy.
Speaker C:Of his creation as work.
Speaker C:The priest that Bobby is like, well, yes, it has to be good advice, because I know.
Speaker C:I get it.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And, you know, disseminating the word of God or whatever.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:But that's maybe also Bobby putting his.
Speaker C:His faith in.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And not his people.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Which.
Speaker C:Which is when we see that, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, this is why you should always get advice for more than one person, too.
Speaker A:Because, like, even, like, I have a therapist, but I will also soundboard things that I talk about with her, with friends.
Speaker A:Because, like, just because she's my therapist doesn't mean that they're always right.
Speaker A:Everything she recommends me is the best thing.
Speaker C:Shouldn't, like, priests and stuff take counseling classes of how to be a good therapist?
Speaker C:Because people are like, you know, looking to you for advice.
Speaker C:And in order for you to give the best advice, you can.
Speaker C:You can talk about it, like, with faith, but also, like, therapy.
Speaker A:I think they get some.
Speaker A:But it's not like.
Speaker A:But it's not like, think about social workers, how they get a lot of training to be counselors.
Speaker A:Basically, it's not really the same.
Speaker A:And especially, I think maybe priests have more than, like, pastors do, because I know that's all just, like, all the different dominations, like, it really all over the place.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Okay, so the montage.
Speaker A:So this is the montage that has the talking head song that we were talking about in the needle drop segment.
Speaker A:And it is once again, a perfect choice for another great montage where they're showing.
Speaker A:I kind of compare this montage to Chimney's montage at the end of his.
Speaker A:It's kind of similar where it's like they are crawling out, you know, trying to find their way back, but it's like they're not.
Speaker A:They're not in a good place, even though they're like, acting like they're in a good place and like they're doing better.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:For Bobby, it's a little of going through the motions, but I think at some point he is like, that is kind of like helping him a little bit, but obviously it's not going to fully make him better, but he is like, he.
Speaker C:Basically the, The.
Speaker C:The big beats of this montage are him cooking and him actually going to the AA meetings and taking point on calls and going to church.
Speaker C:So he.
Speaker C:He is going through the motions and I think that is helping.
Speaker C:But it's kind of like a fake it till you make it sort of.
Speaker C:Sort of scenario where it's like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Where his ultimate make it is to not make it.
Speaker A:So it's all very.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's like it's a little performative.
Speaker C:And I think he.
Speaker C:Maybe.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:I think he does allow himself to not get lost in the present moment.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:Because that's always in the back of his mind, but just to kind of like slightly enjoy it, allow himself to enjoy it a little more.
Speaker C:Because, like, it's been a while since he cooked a meal for.
Speaker C:For a lot of people.
Speaker C:And so he might be a little bit rusty, but like.
Speaker C:But he's going to set these traditions of, you know, the 118, eat as.
Speaker C:As a family and schmoozing with people at.
Speaker C:At the AA meetings and like, kind of kind of meeting people, making conversations, being friendly.
Speaker C:It's a little bit performative, but I think it does actually help.
Speaker B:Well, it's the.
Speaker B:It establishes like the.
Speaker B:I guess the good captain that he is and like, his reputation at this point.
Speaker A:I think he's being like a facsimile of himself.
Speaker A:I mean, he's, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Hiding all of the bad parts.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's like he's trying.
Speaker A:Like if we were.
Speaker A:If we were gonna call the Bobby before his family died, Bobby 1.0.
Speaker A:It's like he's trying to be Bobby 1.0.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's trying to patch back to a previous update.
Speaker C:I mean, I mean, he's.
Speaker C:He's actively showing his team who he is by showing them who he wants to be.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Or who he was, because he's not showing them showing any of the ugly.
Speaker C:Stuff, his grief, like, even though they don't necessarily know that he's going to AA meetings.
Speaker C:But, like, he.
Speaker C:He keeps.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's that compartmentalization that we saw, like, the very beginning of the season.
Speaker C:It's just like, this is completely separate.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:I am captain Bobby Nash, and I do these things and I cook for my team and I go to church, and I am good leader because I have earned the respect of my team.
Speaker C:Which is, like, why he calls everyone up for family dinner and he's making this firehouse into a fire home.
Speaker C:I did.
Speaker A:Did you write that down?
Speaker C:Just so I would remember it.
Speaker A:I like to guess when you do.
Speaker B:To build a home.
Speaker A:To build a home.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:That's such a good slash sad song.
Speaker A:So, yeah, then I did just want to mention the parallel between his going into the bright white light or his hallucination when he was, you know, overdosing in or like, at the beginning.
Speaker A:So it was like, in that he was making dinner and sitting down and having dinner with his family.
Speaker A:And then it's like, at the end, he's got this, like, the beginnings of what is going to be his family and he's making dinner.
Speaker A:So I just thought that was kind of a nice, like, beginning, end kind of parallel.
Speaker A:They did a lot of these beginning back in Minnesota to Now at the118.
Speaker A:Parallels at the beginning of the year.
Speaker C:Going back to 100, 105, when he's kind of been triggered and is kind of losing it a little bit.
Speaker C:And, like, we see him in his apartment at home, like, setting the table for four, even though nobody's there.
Speaker C:And he's kind of just like a little.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Lost and lost in his own head.
Speaker C:So I think that that is where he feels like the most, like, providing for family and cooking dinner and like, having these family dinner meal times.
Speaker C:That is where his heart truly is and whichever family he's with.
Speaker C:So I think that's why it's such a.
Speaker C:A big, like, yeah.
Speaker C:Pin for him.
Speaker C:That pin's not the right word.
Speaker C:And, like, not linchpin.
Speaker C:Like a.
Speaker C:It holds everything together for him.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:It's okay.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:I'm just trying to think of the word.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:The going away party.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then we have my favorite, which is that Tommy leaves and we don't.
Speaker C:Have to talk about Tommy until season seven.
Speaker C:Or alternatively our plot device episode, which will be coming out, which will be already out, so we don't have to talk about Tommy again until season seven.
Speaker C:I'm sure this Comes out.
Speaker A:Yeah, there'll probably be parallels in Slow Burn, but yeah, other than that.
Speaker C:So I love the.
Speaker C:What I'm assuming is the establishment of the.
Speaker C:The cake tradition.
Speaker C:The really funny cake stuff, which is absolutely a hen doing.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And it's like the 2:17's loss is our gain.
Speaker C:And it's like.
Speaker C:It really is.
Speaker C:It really is.
Speaker C:It was very mean but like because they gain Buck.
Speaker C:And that also establishes like how Tommy left the 118 and was all of a sudden the.
Speaker C:The air support that we saw in broken just a couple episodes ago.
Speaker C:So it's kind of a nice way for them to, you know, put piecemeal that all together in a funny way.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And so they surprise Tommy and Bobby looks like kind of he.
Speaker C:He smiles and he's laughing and everything like that.
Speaker C:And hen shoves shot shoves Tommy's face into the cake.
Speaker A:She jumps from the back of the ambulance.
Speaker B:She was too happy.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker A:That was forceful and good for her.
Speaker B:It's what he deserv.
Speaker A:Let him eat cake.
Speaker C:Truly cathartic motive behind it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And just like felt.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I would feel this.
Speaker C:So yeah.
Speaker C:With.
Speaker C:With that Buck is the replacement for Tommy.
Speaker C:Also also talked about in our episode.
Speaker C:And we see Buck and now the family's complete.
Speaker A:Buck is also here.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker C:What a little.
Speaker C:What a little baby.
Speaker A:Cute.
Speaker A:He looks so excited.
Speaker C:Bobby makes this like another classic, classic Bobby joke where.
Speaker C:Where bucks like, you know, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm looking for Captain Nash and.
Speaker C:And Bobby's like sitting at the table and he's like looking around like, does anyone know like who that is?
Speaker C:He's just like this.
Speaker C:Such a dad move.
Speaker C:It's like no wonder they established like sometimes you call me pops.
Speaker C:And we went to a Springsteen concert.
Speaker C:I would like to see more of that, please.
Speaker A:And I would too.
Speaker C:Oh my gosh.
Speaker A:A flashback please.
Speaker C:I would also like to say that this is kind of fun because this scene with buck entering the 118 is the same footage that they will use again later in Buck Begins in season four episode five.
Speaker C:They kind of like establish it now and you know, they.
Speaker C:They tell Buck like, pull up a seat like join.
Speaker C:Join the family dinner.
Speaker C:Like just, you know, enveloped into this, into this family.
Speaker C:And Buck's like, hey, is it always like this?
Speaker C:And hen says always.
Speaker C:And chimney says, when Bobby's in the captain's chair.
Speaker C:It is so obviously like a little bit of time had gone by since, you know, where.
Speaker C: ecause Buck comes in at like,: Speaker C:And then Buck's like, well, I might be in the right place.
Speaker C:Like the song.
Speaker C:This must be the place.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:It's a nice, like, tie into that and kind of like, tie in to, like, as a character moment.
Speaker C:Like, if we really look into it, that that song could also apply to Buck as well, from what we know.
Speaker C:Obviously not yet.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But there's.
Speaker C:There's, I think, some similarities that can be drawn to that too.
Speaker C:And it's just like, yeah, he's the.
Speaker C:He's the missing piece to make the 118 family like their true family.
Speaker C:I love it so much.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:I'm just like, looking back at this thing really quick.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then.
Speaker C:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:Should we talk about the present?
Speaker B:See?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So then that brings us back to present day, which I like how they transition from, like, you know, the dining table at the station from the past on Buck's first day and transition to Bobby sitting at it alone as everyone gets into work.
Speaker A:And they're like, automatically know something's wrong because Bobby's in the kitchen and, like, not cooking.
Speaker C:And Jimmy's like, where's.
Speaker C:Where's my breakfast?
Speaker C:Yeah, what's up?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And hen immediately is like, this feels bad, wrong.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:This doesn't feel great.
Speaker A:And then he breaks the news to them, you know, that he is relieved of his duty while they investigate him.
Speaker C:But why?
Speaker C:Like, for what they're so surprised.
Speaker C:And he says for not disclosing what happened in Minnesota before he took the job.
Speaker C:And hen is like.
Speaker C:And kind of echoes or mirrors what Father Jameson has said where she's like, bobby, you don't owe them that part of you.
Speaker C:You owe them your record, the people that you've helped, the lives you've saved.
Speaker C:I think everybody chimes in.
Speaker C:I think it's Buck and Eddie who chime in on that one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is basically what Father Jameson said, which means that Bobby really has shown who he is to these people.
Speaker C:But it's also.
Speaker C:They know who he is because of.
Speaker C:He's also let them in and allowed himself to lean on them too.
Speaker C:That they know, like, the more wide story there.
Speaker C:And he's like, he knew his past would catch up to him one day, but by the time it did, he thought by the time it did, it wouldn't matter because he'd have nothing left to lose.
Speaker C:And now he has everything to lose because he has not only the family in the 118, but he has Athena and May and Harry as well, and, and Michael, we'll throw him in there too because he's allowed himself to find joy and to live.
Speaker C:So yeah, he's dealing with the consequences of his actions, but he's also made so much progress that he's like, well, now there are stakes at play and I don't want to lose it, but I have to deal with it because, you know, at the time where I wasn't, you know, in a good place and I allowed, I allowed them to whitewash my record.
Speaker C:Like I, with like, he withheld some of the information that he should have been more upfront with, which again, he also doesn't have to tell them everything, but because he was cleared of the, of the thing.
Speaker C:So like, there's really nothing too much to be worried about.
Speaker C:But it's his guilt complex crawling back in again because from, from the official incident report from Minnesota, he was cleared of charges.
Speaker C:So like, yes, there has to be a hearing, but what, really, what would have been the over under of them, like actually, you know, taking him away from, from his captain seat?
Speaker C:Like, yeah, I don't think a lot.
Speaker C:And then we see the, the culmination kind of like from that first shot of the episode where Bobby is sitting in the room for the hearing to start.
Speaker C:And then we see this again.
Speaker C:So all of that, the main part of the episode has been bookended by the hearing starting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And they say, you know, it's just a voiceover.
Speaker C:We don't actually see the officials in the hearing, but, but the, the duty of that panel is, is to make a recommendation whether he should remain a member of the LAFD or not.
Speaker C:And it's not a criminal proceeding or anything like that.
Speaker C:And Bobby's just like, I just want to tell the truth.
Speaker C:Which is lovely.
Speaker C:And it's like.
Speaker C:But also, how many times does he have to like unload all of this?
Speaker C:And that's one of the reasons why he can never let it go either because there's, there's always something to be like, well, let me tell you the whole story.
Speaker C:And it like brings things back up again, which is why he remembers all this whole.
Speaker C:Bobby begins again as the flashback and that's why he's remembering all this.
Speaker C:And it's just like, yeah, even in season seven, can't let things go.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Like you said, there's always something, something to play with in regards to his past.
Speaker C:We can roll right into Slow Burn.
Speaker A:Slow Burn.
Speaker B:Yeehaw.
Speaker A:You want to do your thing?
Speaker C:Yes, I would Love to do my thing.
Speaker A:All right, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to listen and I will maybe judge.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:Convince me.
Speaker C:Okay, so what happened was.
Speaker B:What had happened was.
Speaker B:Come on, Rachel.
Speaker B:More passion.
Speaker C:More passion.
Speaker C:More passion.
Speaker C:What energy.
Speaker C:Okay, so I.
Speaker C:When I was watching this episode, I had to, like, stop myself, and I was.
Speaker C:Or like, stop the episode, and I was like, like, big light bulb moment.
Speaker C:So I was seeing a lot of parallels with Buddy from how Bobby and Athena meet at the illegal cockfighting ring or whatever call.
Speaker C:So this, like we talked about earlier, this is when Bobby is like, actually letting himself laugh.
Speaker C:He's allowing himself to feel joy and just kind of like live in the moment.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:He's laughing, he's smiling, he's feeling, like a little bit of mirth.
Speaker C:And that is when Athena shows up.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So it's right after he starts laughing and Athena shows up, and then he ends up, you know, taking the rooster and just, like, handing it off to her.
Speaker C:So what is this other moment when.
Speaker C:Or I paralleled it to the moment where Eddie allows himself to feel joy and mirth and just like living in the moment with his Risky business dance in 806.
Speaker C:And then who shows up is Buck in these.
Speaker C:Both Athena and Buck show up in these moments where Bobby or Eddie, who are notoriously, like, guilt ridden and very hard on themselves and don't allow them to feel joy.
Speaker C:Themselves to feel joy.
Speaker C:When they are finally feeling that and experiencing that joy.
Speaker C:That is when the significant other shows up in that moment of elation, basically.
Speaker C:So that's.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker A:I thought you meant you were drawing a parallel between both of them meeting.
Speaker A:And I was like, how.
Speaker C:Oh, no, no, no.
Speaker B:So that I.
Speaker B:Oh, I was like, literally how.
Speaker C:Rachel, this is deeper than that.
Speaker C:So it's the significant other showing up immediately, right.
Speaker C:In a moment where Bobby and Eddie allow themselves to feel.
Speaker A:No, I see this.
Speaker C:And get lost in the moment.
Speaker C:And if that's the universe.
Speaker C:If that's not the universe screaming, I don't know what is cosign.
Speaker C:Like, that is.
Speaker C:That is so similar to me that they belong together.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's the universe putting them in your path.
Speaker A:When it's like when you're.
Speaker A:When you're feeling open to letting yourself feel.
Speaker A:Feel joy.
Speaker A:And they're like, here's the joy.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:Here's the juice.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:I just saw that and I was like, thank you.
Speaker C:I was so excited about that.
Speaker C:Okay, now the floor is yours.
Speaker C:That was my one thing.
Speaker C:Or I Have another thing, but it's about Tommy.
Speaker C:But whatever.
Speaker C:It was that other gay joke aimed at Tommy that DeLuca said when they were rounding up the chicken or the rooster and Sal was like, what?
Speaker A:I didn't even clock that.
Speaker C:Oh, no.
Speaker C:When they were.
Speaker C:When they were trying to round up the chicken and they're, like, doing their little silly dance and DeLuca's like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker A:Kiss him?
Speaker C:And it was aimed at Tommy.
Speaker C:Yeah, just throwing that in there.
Speaker C:But interesting was it was the Bethena.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think you're really right about him being, like, the number one crony.
Speaker C:I think so, too.
Speaker A:And then they just.
Speaker C:Tommy just, like, wanted to fall in line.
Speaker C:Maybe he had a crush on him.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:That would make sense.
Speaker C:But, yeah, I mostly wanted to focus on that, like.
Speaker C:And Buddy Joy.
Speaker B:Yeah, I feel like that is a headcanon, by the way, the Tommy.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And, yeah, that is.
Speaker C:I have.
Speaker A:I thought I had a brilliant thing that I thought of in the show.
Speaker A:We recorded this episode in two parts because it was.
Speaker A:It got too late.
Speaker A:And with the first night, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't normally, like, take notes.
Speaker A:I keep it all in my head like an insane person.
Speaker C:I co.
Speaker C:Sign that.
Speaker A:That I.
Speaker A:That I.
Speaker A:I don't think I can completely remember.
Speaker A:I think this is close to what I was thinking.
Speaker A:There are just so many just like Eddie and Bobby parallels in this episode that I could go through.
Speaker A:But I feel like we'll talk about it in the next one more than here.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So, yeah, here's my thing.
Speaker A:And this is gonna sound really similar to another Slow Burn segment.
Speaker A:We've had semi recently, but just go with it.
Speaker A:Oh, it was in Chimney Begins.
Speaker A:Okay, so we get to see Bobby in the ambulance, like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:With his spouse who's dying.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And we see him in the hospital with her while she's dying.
Speaker A:And we see him in the aftermath of that.
Speaker A:So we get to see his reaction to all of this.
Speaker A:Okay, and now I want you to think about the parallel of that with Eddie.
Speaker A:But think about Eddie's reaction to it versus Bobby's.
Speaker C:Oh, man.
Speaker A:And then I want you to think about Eddie's reaction when Buck was struck by lightning and getting put in the ambulance and when he wasn't allowed to be in the back of the ambulance with him.
Speaker A:And then when they got to the hospital and he yelled at the staff.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's not the same.
Speaker A:No, it's not the same.
Speaker A:It's much more like.
Speaker A:I think if you look at how Eddie acts with Buck in the aftermath of the lightning strike.
Speaker A:That looks much more like a spouse than how you would expect a spouse to react than how he reacts with Shannon.
Speaker A:Now, he's very reserved in both of those.
Speaker A:And I think there's more reservation in Bucks because he has that, like, trauma from Shannon dying.
Speaker A:And it was the same thing with the.
Speaker A:Like, once the.
Speaker A:You know, the.
Speaker A:The ventilator tube goes in, the.
Speaker A:The chances of it coming out are very low.
Speaker A:And then he can't really look at Buck because he is on the ventilator.
Speaker C:God, I hate that one so much because it is.
Speaker C:It is a good parallel to draw.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker A:But yeah, that's.
Speaker A:I think that's what I have for this episode because there are so many Eddie and Bobby parallels with just like, how they deal or don't deal or don't cope with their own feelings, emotions, grief, trauma, that kind of thing.
Speaker A:There's so many parallels there.
Speaker A:But I think if you look at just the utter devastation that Bobby's experiencing with losing his wife, and you compare it to Eddie in the next episode, like, it's just not comparable.
Speaker C:Different situations at play there, but it's still like.
Speaker C:Like the circumstances are different and the relationships are different, but it's.
Speaker C:The reactions still are so drastically different that it's like it.
Speaker C:It overcompensates for just those more minor differences, if that makes sense.
Speaker C:Yeah, this.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's just so.
Speaker C:So many Eddie and Bobby parallels to draw here throughout the seasons.
Speaker C:And I think that's.
Speaker C:That's one of the reasons why we end up paralleling, you know, Bobby and Eddie and then Athena and Buck so similarly or so so often.
Speaker C:Oof.
Speaker C:Bummer.
Speaker C:What a.
Speaker C:What a note to end on.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I just like to make these comparisons.
Speaker A:Like, I really like to play the spot the difference game, especially with characters that so purposefully parallel each other often and when they're in the same.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously Bobby lost his kids too, but, you know, before he even saw his kids, the way he was reacting to.
Speaker A:Yeah, Marcy being hurt is different.
Speaker A:And I'm not saying that Eddie doesn't react and that he doesn't distraught.
Speaker A:Like, he does look destroyed, but it's in a different way.
Speaker C:The love that Eddie has for Shannon is different than what we see other couples have for their spouses.
Speaker C:And this, like, just across the board.
Speaker C:I don't care if we're talking about, like, yes, Bobby and Athena or Bobby and Marcy or like Head and Karen or like chimney and Maddie, it is different the way Eddie interacts with the idea of Shannon as his wife or grieving her as his wife, like mother to his son.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I can't wait for us to look into this a little more in episode 217.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I can't wait to talk about that more in 217, which is like, oh, I know, I know.
Speaker C:We've been building that, Building up to that for so long this season.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, it's gonna.
Speaker C:I think it's gonna be a bit of a doozy.
Speaker C:Buckle up, kids.
Speaker A:It's gonna be a lot.
Speaker A:So bring some snacks.
Speaker C:Bring some snacks and some tissues maybe, I don't know, we'll keep it funny.
Speaker C:Maybe not in a.
Speaker C:Not in a weird way, but like in a levity way, you know, where all.
Speaker C:Where hopefully all of our most depressing episodes are the funniest.
Speaker C:Is that weird?
Speaker C:I think so too.
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