Cosmic Love: Buddie Astrology 9-1-1
A falling star fell from Eddie’s heart and landed in Buck’s eyes.
Have you ever wondered what the stars have to say about Buddie? Well, grab your cosmic popcorn because we’re diving deep into the stardust of the universe!
In this special episode Han, Cil, and Rachel are guided by our celestial sage, Chrissy (@kithmet) joining us to unravel the star-crossed mysteries surrounding our favorite 9-1-1 duo.
As we dissect their personalities through the lens of astrology, we uncover the intricate dance of their relationship, exploring themes of emotional vulnerability, the struggle between duty and desire, and the undeniable chemistry that binds them together.
Wondering what zodiac signs have to do with fictional character analysis? We’re so glad you asked, it’s because the stars told us:
Buck is a pathological people-pleaser, always striving for harmony and fairness, while he yearns for a home and family he can really belong to and be truly seen by, while masking his inner turmoil with charm and bravado.
Eddie embodies steadfast loyalty, with a single-minded, all-or-nothing mentality that can get him into trouble with the additional layer of his intense sense of responsibility and conflicting bone-deep desire for real romantic partnership.
And that’s not even scratching the surface!
Whether you’re an astrology novice or a seasoned star-gazer, this episode promises to be a mystical journey through the planets and constellations. Join us for some laughs, some 'aha' moments, and perhaps a little bit of cosmic chaos as we explore how their lives have been shaped by the stars — influencing their motives, actions, and ultimately, their fates together.
Buck-le up; it’s gonna be a wild ride through the galaxy!
Chapters
(00:00:00)-Welcome Guest Host Chrissy
(00:04:13)-Astrology 101 and Our Big Three
(00:08:36)-Buck and Eddie’s Birth Chart Overview
(00:30:08)-Buck’s Libra Mirrorball
(00:52:42)-Buck’s Cancer Martyr Complex
(01:09:48)-Buck’s Leo is the Brightest Thing in the Room
(01:26:28)-Eddie’s Stubborn Taurus Bull
(01:41:12)-Eddie’s Scorpio Built a Maze in His Mind
(02:02:09)-Eddie’s Capricorn Masks His Mess
(02:09:47)-Buddie Compatibility Written in the Stars
(02:22:28)-Buck’s In Depth Horoscope in The Pattern App
(02:32:32)-Eddie’s In Depth Horoscope in The Pattern App
(02:40:53)-Buddie’s Relationship Horoscope Pattern
(02:46:22)-Conclusion: We’re Correct!
(02:58:07)-Chrissy’s Social Media, New Fic, and Outro
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🔭 Tumblr
📚 something touched me (like a knife-blade), by kithmet, Archive of Our Own
📚 slaughterhouse, by kithmet, Archive of Our Own
🌌 Astrological Resources 🌌
✨ Libra Sun, Co-Star
✨ Cancer Moon, Cosmopolitan
✨ Leo Rising, Cosmopolitan
✨ Taurus Sun, Co-Star
✨ Scorpio Moon, Cosmopolitan
✨ Capricorn Rising, Cosmopolitan
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Transcript
Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?
Speaker B:A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.
Speaker C:This is the Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DMed each other enough character dissertations to earn a PhD in media literacy.
Speaker A:I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.
Speaker B:I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.
Speaker C:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
Speaker A:With our powers combined, no stone is.
Speaker C:Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.
Speaker C:Once upon a time, all the planets and the fate and the stars aligned.
Speaker A:Welcome to the Buddy System.
Speaker A:This is a very special episode with a special guest, our friend Chrissy.
Speaker D:Hey.
Speaker C:Yay.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about astrology and Buck and Eddie and Buddy in astrology.
Speaker C:Specifically, and how the stars aligned for them.
Speaker A:Before we start, I will just give you a little lore of how we got here.
Speaker A:Lore drop.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Eddie is a Taurus sun, Scorpio moon, Capricorn rising.
Speaker A:I have a PhD in astrology, so this is my very professional opinion.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker C:And we thanked you.
Speaker A:And I was sent this in our Buddy System group chat because I had just randomly, like the day before or a couple of days before, apropos of nothing, been like, so Buck is obviously a Libra, sun, cancer, moon, Leo rising.
Speaker A:And I gave no reasoning.
Speaker A:I was just like, he just is.
Speaker A:It just came to me.
Speaker D:It also just came to me when I gave it very little thought.
Speaker D:I was like, you know what?
Speaker D:I'm so sure.
Speaker D:Like, this is.
Speaker A:Just makes sense.
Speaker D:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:It just makes sense.
Speaker A:And I think we talked about Eddie and we deliberated over him a little bit more, but, like, we had at least two of the same things that.
Speaker A:That you had.
Speaker A:So I was like, oh, my God, I have to reply.
Speaker A:So I sent.
Speaker A:I sent a screenshot like, of our DM where we were talking about this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:With.
Speaker A:With.
Speaker A:With the Buddy system dm.
Speaker A:Talking about, like, what Chrissy had just.
Speaker C:Tweeted and just so insane.
Speaker A:So excited.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That we just, like, had almost the exact same thing for.
Speaker A:For Buck.
Speaker D:I'm curious, how did you guys get that tweet on the timeline.
Speaker D:On your timeline?
Speaker D:Because were we following each other before that?
Speaker B:I was following you.
Speaker A:Oh, still come through.
Speaker A:Mvp.
Speaker D:I see.
Speaker D:Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker A:Well, then we started talking to You.
Speaker A:And then I realized you wrote one of my favorite fics.
Speaker A:And then I was insane.
Speaker D:Just a coincidence.
Speaker C:And we decided to collectively bring you into the fold.
Speaker D:We did.
Speaker A:We have been planning this astrology episode since July.
Speaker A:I want to say, like, July is.
Speaker A:When I asked Chrissie, I think it.
Speaker D:Was July because I was on vacation.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker D:So that makes sense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then we initially planned for September, but then life just kept lifing.
Speaker C:Sure did.
Speaker D:Repeatedly.
Speaker A:Repeatedly.
Speaker A: ng off the middle of January,: Speaker D:Starting it strong.
Speaker A:Starting it so strong, finally with this episode where we're going to bring you very professional, very correct information that's based on nothing but our understanding and knowledge of the characters, because the show has given us nothing.
Speaker A:So you're welcome.
Speaker D:These are intellectual conclusions.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:We have made executive decisions, and these are now the birthdays and the signs forevermore.
Speaker C:Because we also reverse engineered to get the birthday.
Speaker A:We sure did.
Speaker D:The exact birthday.
Speaker A:So what we're going to talk about today is because there's so much in astrology, but we're just gonna stick to the big three.
Speaker A:And if you aren't familiar with that, welcome to the Internet, I guess.
Speaker A:But the big three is your sun, your moon, and your rising sign.
Speaker A:And the sun is like what everyone's really familiar with, just as their zodiac sign.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Your regular zodiac sign.
Speaker A:And your sun sign's kind of just like the conscious you and your role in life and the kind of core of who you are.
Speaker A:And your moon sign is your innermost self.
Speaker A:How you see yourself, your feelings, how.
Speaker D:You feel, your emotions, how you express your emotions.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:How you see yourself when you're alone.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:When you're most yourself.
Speaker A:And then your rising is kind of like the outer you or like what you project to other people.
Speaker A:So it can kind of be seen as a mask sometimes, but it's how you present to the world or how others perceive you.
Speaker A:Perceive you, and then how you in turn, see the world and interact with it.
Speaker D:And also how you come across to other people.
Speaker D:Sometimes that's not always how you are, but it's how you come across.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like a first impression.
Speaker D:Yes, exactly.
Speaker D:And also your rising can also contribute to your appearance.
Speaker D:At least I've been told there is correlation.
Speaker D:And there is some correlation.
Speaker D:I will say when I was looking into it with them, with the signs that we assign them.
Speaker D:And there is a lot of correlation, though I know that they're fictional and it's kind of complicated.
Speaker D:We're also actors so it's like there's a disconnect there, but there is some correlation.
Speaker D:That's it.
Speaker A:So I guess we'll start out really quick just talking about our big three so that you can have a baseline for like, where we're.
Speaker D:Where we're coming from, our knowledge level of these signs.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:At least through our experiences of them.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker A:So I am a Cancer sun, an Aries moon, and an Aquarius rising, which means that I'm crazy.
Speaker A:And I have never had a normal reaction in my life.
Speaker D:I am an Aquarius sun, Sag Moon, Sagittarius, Scorpio rising.
Speaker D:And honestly, my entire birth chart is very balanced.
Speaker D:I have a lot of signs in Earth, a lot of signs in air.
Speaker D:My rising is water, my moon is fire.
Speaker D:So I don't know.
Speaker D:I have inclinations towards certain reactions, but overall it's very balanced.
Speaker C:You've got everything cornered.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker D:Most feelings are relatable to me.
Speaker B:I'm a Scorpio sun, a Gemini moon, and a Taurus rising.
Speaker B:And I'm like, mostly Scorpio.
Speaker B:I think I have a Scorpio, Mars, and this track.
Speaker C:Wait, that Pluto?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In a Pluto.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker C:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:And I mean, you know, typical Scorpio craziness, which I don't think that's true.
Speaker B:I think that's a stereotype, so.
Speaker C:It is a stereotype.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's exaggerated.
Speaker C:It's a caricature.
Speaker C:But you do exhibit a lot of those.
Speaker A:One of my favorite signs.
Speaker A:I love Scorpios.
Speaker C:It's like the most fun, best way.
Speaker D:I also love Scorpios.
Speaker D:I think that Scorpio energy.
Speaker D:So Scorpio is a Pluto based sign.
Speaker D:And I just love Plutonian energy.
Speaker D:It's always.
Speaker D:It's very, like, intense and I like that.
Speaker C:Like small but mighty.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:Weird.
Speaker B:Like, everyone I see, like, let it be TikTok, Twitter, whatever.
Speaker B:Everyone is just like, oh, my God, I can't deal with them.
Speaker D:They can appreciate you for who you are.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I kind of feel.
Speaker A:Feel like people who.
Speaker A:Maybe this is maybe just be a generalization, but I feel like if you are not a very real person, that you're not gonna get along with Scorpios because they have the biggest bullshit detective.
Speaker D:Oh, my God, they truly do.
Speaker A:In the zodiac.
Speaker C:No, Syl, you have like X ray vision a lot of times and you can just like see people, People's intentions.
Speaker B:I mean, I could still get blindsided.
Speaker C:Like 8 out of 10 times.
Speaker C:You got it.
Speaker B:There's probably like a part of Me just that.
Speaker B:That likes to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker B:But most of the time I'm like, there's something.
Speaker B:Something about you that I don't.
Speaker A:But you get a vibe, right?
Speaker A:But you're like, but I'll just give them the benefit of the doubt anyway.
Speaker A:Even though you get a vibe.
Speaker C:It like, yeah, your little detector.
Speaker A:But anyway, Rachel.
Speaker C:Oh, my turn.
Speaker C:So I'm a Gemini sun, a Leo moon, and a Virgo rising.
Speaker C:So if you've heard me before, present an argument and then talk myself out of the argument, that would be why.
Speaker C:If I'm like, wait, but what about this?
Speaker C:And then I'm like, wait, but different perspective.
Speaker C:Here we go.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's the Gemini.
Speaker D:That's such a Gemini thing.
Speaker D:You can truly see every side.
Speaker D:Or at least you make attempts to see every side.
Speaker A:She really does.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Not even just Geminis.
Speaker D:I think a lot of air signs are like that.
Speaker D:But Geminis have a very bad case of it.
Speaker C:And I'm double Mercury ruled because of the Virgo rising.
Speaker C:So this is also one of the reasons why our episodes are so long.
Speaker C:Just because I literally cannot stop talking because I'm ruled by the planet of communication.
Speaker C:And then the Leo moon is in there too.
Speaker C:It's just hanging out.
Speaker A:That's what gives you like all your confidence, I feel.
Speaker C:Oh, thank you.
Speaker A:Because you're a very like confident, self assured person.
Speaker C:Yeah, it jumps out.
Speaker C:It's funny.
Speaker A:Virgo gives you that too, I'm sure.
Speaker C:But the Gemini is more like big picture everything.
Speaker C:The Virgo grounds, all of that in the detail orientedness and the Leo moon.
Speaker C:It's funny because sometimes I feel like it's not as loud as a Leo anything should be, but it makes itself known occasionally.
Speaker C:That's the sun in the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:My general optimism, I think I guess that makes sense.
Speaker A:Like eternal optimism.
Speaker A:Cannot relate.
Speaker D:I mean, as a Sagittarius moon.
Speaker D:Sagittarians are also notoriously optimistic people.
Speaker D:Also very good at getting over things quickly.
Speaker A:What is that like?
Speaker D:Honestly, it makes life so much easier.
Speaker A:Never let a single thing go in my entire life.
Speaker C:What's that like?
Speaker A:As Kendrick Lamar says, you forgive, you forget, but you never let it go.
Speaker D:I feel like the Scorpios of the world, like fixed signs, naturally take a longer time to get over things.
Speaker D:And I have fixed sign in my rising and my sun.
Speaker D:But I think that because Sagittarius rules my moon, there are just certain things, especially if I care about the person, I'll just get over it immediately.
Speaker D:It'll take like five seconds.
Speaker C:Sagittarius is mutable, right?
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Ah, yes, this makes sense.
Speaker C:So is Gemini and Virgo.
Speaker C:So I'm just like, woo, we'll go with the flow always.
Speaker A:Yeah, you guys are just built different.
Speaker C:Not capable of holding a grudge.
Speaker C:If I get angry, it's like fleeting.
Speaker C:And then I cry and then I feel better and I'm over it.
Speaker D:I feel like I don't hold grudges.
Speaker D:I just have a mental list of people I don't fuck with.
Speaker D:And that list doesn't change like once you're on the list.
Speaker D:It takes a lot to get on that list, by the way.
Speaker D:But once you're on the list, you're not coming off the list unless you do some like heavy reparations.
Speaker D:Then I'm like, okay, you're.
Speaker D:You're out.
Speaker D:But I don't count that as grudge holding because I don't think about those people.
Speaker D:I just don't with them.
Speaker D:And then that's it.
Speaker C:Like, like it leaves your mind.
Speaker C:But if it comes up again, then it's like, oh, gotta check the list.
Speaker C:Yep, reference.
Speaker A:I'm not holding grudges against every person that I dislike because that'd be a lot of grudges, but.
Speaker D:It would be a lot.
Speaker A:But oh man, I'm so sorry to bring Oliver Stark into this, but no, I thought he's also a cancer son.
Speaker A:And there's that one.
Speaker A:Is it an interview or just a behind the scenes clip?
Speaker C:Oh, from masks.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:I knew exactly where you were going with this.
Speaker C:Yeah, they were asking about his like favorite Halloween traditions and he proceeded to one, not answer the question.
Speaker C:And two, what was it?
Speaker C:He, he instead brought up this, this kid who he used to be friends with when he was like 15 and egged his house.
Speaker D:Understood what you guys are talking about.
Speaker D:It just clicked in my brain and I was like, oh, he did do that.
Speaker C:So literally, like has been holding on to that for half of his life.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's such a cancer man thing to do.
Speaker D:Oh my gosh.
Speaker C:I think it's doing the same shit.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm non binary so sure.
Speaker D:The way that Oliver Stark specifically exhibits cancer traits is just.
Speaker D:There's just so much pettiness in every move.
Speaker D:He's just the king of Peter.
Speaker A:I relate to him deeply.
Speaker D:So petty.
Speaker A:He's who I want to be when I grow up.
Speaker A:Which is just.
Speaker D:I personally find it very funny.
Speaker D:So I think you should continue.
Speaker D:Yes, I think you should continue as well.
Speaker A:His response that, that was like, oh, sorry, I forgot.
Speaker A:I was trying to be nice.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:I feel like it's maybe the British in him that, like, allows him to forget to try.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:In general, I enjoy the level of petty because normally when he's being petty, it's like either a.
Speaker A:Like, literally just for fun, or he's drawing boundaries with people.
Speaker A:And I think that's really important for everyone's issue, but especially for cancers or, like.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, anyone's who.
Speaker A:Who is deeply emotional.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, in terms of myself, like, I.
Speaker B:I can forgive because I've gone through that cycle of, like, forgiving people.
Speaker B:But that list.
Speaker B:That list of like you've done to me keeps just.
Speaker B:It's adding on and adding on and adding on until, like, finally I'm just like, I'm done.
Speaker B:And then now you're on my shit list.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know what you'd have to do to get off.
Speaker C:Just means they haven't done it yet.
Speaker C:I don't think I have a list of anybody.
Speaker D:You're so cute.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Good for you, Rachel.
Speaker C:This is also kind of where, I guess, like, the Gemini, like, just flitting, you know, away back and forth.
Speaker C:Just kind of like they're doing their own thing.
Speaker C:I'll do my own thing.
Speaker A:Fine with.
Speaker C:Fine with that.
Speaker B:Maybe that's where my Gemini moon comes in, where I'm, like, going back and forth with the person or people who have wronged me until I guess I.
Speaker B:You know, it reaches its ultimate end.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:That is where you get your.
Speaker A:Try to see the good in people from probably.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Where you're like, the different percentage.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:I feel like I forgive very easily, but it's to a degree, like, I have limits, obviously.
Speaker D:And there are certain things that won't be forgiven or forgotten.
Speaker D:I feel like when something like that has happened, then it's the list for me.
Speaker D:The list said ominously.
Speaker A:The list.
Speaker A:The list.
Speaker B:The naughty list.
Speaker D:It is like a death note.
Speaker D:But I mentally.
Speaker D:It technically is a death note because, like, you're dead to me after.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:For real.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Do we want to get into.
Speaker A:We should.
Speaker A:We should get into what you're all probably here for, which is talking about Bucket Eddie.
Speaker A:So we will start out talking about their big three.
Speaker A:I will give.
Speaker A:Give the exact time of birth so that you too can pull up their charts in your favorite astrology app and have them as a friend and just see because they are real.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:We are.
Speaker A:We reversed engineered this based on, you know, what we already decided that their big three was and where they were born.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker C:Makes Eddie older, because I know that is also a contentious point and we.
Speaker A:Will not be discussing this any further.
Speaker A:This is the law.
Speaker C:This is what it is.
Speaker C:We have made it so it's biblically.
Speaker A:Accurate that Eddie is older.
Speaker A:I would like him to be older than this.
Speaker A:But this felt the most accurate based on the conflicting information that we have.
Speaker C:It's really just for fun and the closest approximation that we could have to, like, confirmation bias what we had already decided.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So Buck is a Libra sun, a Cancer moon, and a Leo rising.
Speaker A:And according to the headstone that we see for Shannon, she is also a Libra.
Speaker A:So canonically, canonically one of the only people to have a canonical birthday on the show.
Speaker A:And then we have Eddie, who is a Taurus sun, a Scorpio moon, and a Capricorn rising.
Speaker D:I know on the show they show Buck's little hospital bracelet.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:And they just.
Speaker D:No, they just threw in O Stark's birthday.
Speaker D:But we reject this.
Speaker C:Yeah, they just use Oliver Stark's birthday.
Speaker C:And we saw that and we were like, like, no.
Speaker A:Also, we had already had this made for months and months.
Speaker A:So I was pissed.
Speaker A:And then second of all, I was like, that's so fucking lazy.
Speaker A:And second of all, Buck would be so much more evil if he was a Cancer.
Speaker D:Yes, he would be so much more evil.
Speaker A:He would be so much more outwardly volatile.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I know that he's had his little volatile moments, but that is entirely the cancer moon, Leo rising.
Speaker D:That is not the Libra sign.
Speaker A:It's always.
Speaker A:Because it's a pressure cooker and they're.
Speaker C:Few and far between, which is why when it blows up, it is what it is, but it just kind of simmers for so much of it.
Speaker D:In all the very important moments of Buck's life, he is not exhibiting the cancer or the Leo qualities, in my opinion.
Speaker D:At least not the conversational aspect.
Speaker D:How he feels his.
Speaker A:When he's by himself.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker A:When you're showing, like, the big emotional things, that's the cancer moon that's pumping out.
Speaker A:Or like you can look up the cancer moon to be like, that's what is behind what's happening here, because that's what's happening in his mind.
Speaker D:But you can even specifically reference the most recent episode that aired and his reaction to Eddie moving Is such a Libra reaction.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because you know what a cancer some would have done.
Speaker D:Oh, my God, cancer.
Speaker A:Or I would have left.
Speaker A:Or I would have done both.
Speaker D:A cancer would have made a petty remark and then just left with the zinger.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:And let them feel that guilt.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And be like, now I'm waiting for you to come after me as the natural thing you should do and not.
Speaker C:Try to find the balance in the situation of.
Speaker C:Okay, well, you've decided this.
Speaker C:We're going to make it the best possible scenario.
Speaker A:No, that's the.
Speaker A:That's the Libra.
Speaker A:The reason that I've seen people say that he is a Leo, and I understand that read.
Speaker A:Because that is how he could come across when you first meet him.
Speaker A:Or like, you know, when he.
Speaker A:He's kind of like trying to project that, like, bravado or like.
Speaker D:And initially I did think he was a Leo, but I'm convinced that he's a Libra now.
Speaker D:After discussing this with you guys, I'm convince.
Speaker A:I'm so glad.
Speaker D:Yeah, I changed sides.
Speaker A:I'm so glad.
Speaker A:Because here's the thing is, like, if he was a Leo rising, he would also be way more volatile.
Speaker D:Oh, 100%.
Speaker A:I think he does have a lot of volatile.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not.
Speaker A:I keep saying volatile.
Speaker A:Like, it's all bad.
Speaker A:It's just cancers feel so fucking deeply.
Speaker A:We take everything personally.
Speaker A:Personally.
Speaker A:And like, there are good parts of, like, feeling very deeply too.
Speaker A:It means that we're very empathetic to the point that, like, we're almost empaths.
Speaker A:It's like we can really understand, like, people's emotional needs and like, in almost a psychic kind of way.
Speaker D:And we're not like, rejecting the idea that Buck exhibits cancer or Leo qualities by saying.
Speaker D:We're saying that absolutely.
Speaker D:He exhibits those just in different.
Speaker A:Just in different places and different ways.
Speaker D:Very specific places in this chart.
Speaker D:He has those qualities.
Speaker A:Like the Libra balances out those things.
Speaker A:Libra is how we get the Buck that we kind of know to be his.
Speaker D:Like, avoidant.
Speaker A:His, like his like stasis.
Speaker A:His like.
Speaker A:I wanna.
Speaker A:I don't mind trying to say homeostasis.
Speaker D:His like, trying to keep the peace.
Speaker D:Like, for example, with that situation with Maddie and Chimney, he was trying to play both sides kind of.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:And that was such a Libra move of his.
Speaker C:And that's why it backfired because he was trying to appease both of them and not choose.
Speaker C:Which is also a very air sign thing to do.
Speaker C:Especially.
Speaker C:Especially Libras.
Speaker C:So Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Libras are.
Speaker A:They're very much about fairness and about strong moral code.
Speaker A:Strong moral code and making sure that the people around the people that they care about are happy.
Speaker A:Everyone else around them comes before them.
Speaker A:They are always dead last.
Speaker A:So their emotional needs are always last.
Speaker A:And I feel like that's how we see Buck most of the time, except for when that Leo Rising jumps up or that cancer moon really pops out, when it's something that's happening, like in Buck Begins or the lawsuit, things like that.
Speaker D:And I definitely think that the Leo especially comes out in Buck's work life.
Speaker D:And this makes so much sense to be his rising because that is how he's presenting himself to the people on Mass.
Speaker D:Like he.
Speaker D:That is his model.
Speaker D:He's.
Speaker D:He is a firefighter at his core.
Speaker D:He wants to be known as that.
Speaker D:He wants to.
Speaker D:He wants to present himself as a leader, as somebody who's courageous and strong.
Speaker D:And that's such a Leo Rising kind of quality.
Speaker D:And the.
Speaker D:The intensity, like the passion, that's all Leo.
Speaker D:Like when he's really heated, how he's presenting himself.
Speaker D:That's Leo.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:So, yeah, that's not him at his most happy.
Speaker D:At his most, like, at peace.
Speaker D:I feel like your son is who you are when you're most at peace.
Speaker D:And then you have the other thing, the other signs kind of impacting how that is presented with your emotions and your.
Speaker D:Your appearance and how other people are perceiving you, et cetera, and how you.
Speaker A:Want to be perceived.
Speaker D:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And with Buck's cancer energy, I feel like cancers are very well, I guess.
Speaker D:Han, you could speak to this more than anybody else.
Speaker D:You could explain.
Speaker D:Explain how Buck is exhibiting his emotions and also expressing them.
Speaker A:I definitely can.
Speaker A:We wanted to do a general overview of Eddie and then kind of get into the nitty gritty, deeper into the things individually.
Speaker D:For sure.
Speaker D:We can do Eddie first.
Speaker A:So, yeah, to get into a little bit of Eddie for, like a general overview like we just did with Buck.
Speaker A:Have you guys seen anything, like general takes of what people or the streets seem to think he is?
Speaker D:Actually, I had a mutual.
Speaker D:Ask this question the other day.
Speaker D:They were asking what we think Eddie's sun sign is, and there were a lot of replies saying Taurus.
Speaker D:So we're on the same wavelength.
Speaker A:Pop off fandom.
Speaker C:I feel like I see most often Taurus and Virgo.
Speaker D:Yes, I saw a lot of Virgo as well.
Speaker C:And I was also originally Rachel and Sil worked.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, I'm showing.
Speaker A:Showing your Initial thoughts on this when we like literally had just started talking about it when I was like, buck, is this.
Speaker A:And you guys were like, yeah, totally.
Speaker A:And then we were like, what is Eddie?
Speaker A:And I forget in what order the conversation went, but we went Virgo.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:And I went, absolutely not corn.
Speaker B:And I guess Taurus is the sweet spot that we've all agreed on.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I said I was like, maybe Taurus.
Speaker A:And you guys were like, no.
Speaker A:And I was like, well, that's where I am with Virgo, because I am surrounded by Virgos in my life.
Speaker A:My partner is a Virgo.
Speaker A:My dad is a Virgo.
Speaker A:My partner's dad is a Virgo.
Speaker A:My brother in law is a Virgo.
Speaker A:I have so many Virgos.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I have a collection of them.
Speaker A:So I'm deeply familiar with how they operate.
Speaker D:I'm also deeply familiar with Virgo.
Speaker A:So yeah, I was just like, Eddie is just not.
Speaker A:And like, I don't know if people were doing that because Ryan is a Virgo.
Speaker A:Because he is a Virgo.
Speaker A:He's a double Virgo.
Speaker C:That's kind of what I have.
Speaker C:Like, once we came to the decision of having Eddie be a Taurus instead, and we kind of like looked into it, which again, we'll.
Speaker C:We'll discuss in a little bit.
Speaker C:But then I was like, okay, that makes a lot of sense for Eddie.
Speaker C:And I think what happens is there is conflation between Ryan Guzman, the Virgo, and Eddie as the character.
Speaker C:Because I think there's.
Speaker C:Because we know that Eddie.
Speaker A:There's so much overlap.
Speaker C:There's so much overlap.
Speaker C:And Eddie is basically written specifically for Ryan.
Speaker C:So like, of course there's going to be overlap.
Speaker C:And I think that it just comes out like really strongly.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker C:In.
Speaker C:In that instance, there are aspects of.
Speaker D:This that apply to Oliver and Buck as well.
Speaker D:That's why so many people believe him to be a Cancer.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:And it's that thing where he's not a Cancer sun, but he's a Cancer moon.
Speaker A:So it's kind of like, take that but apply it slightly differently.
Speaker A:So Eddie doesn't have a big three Virgo placement, but he has two earth sign placements, just like Ryan has two.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Very strong earth sign.
Speaker D:So there are similarities 100% between the Virgo of it all and what we interpret of Eddie's chart.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So very similar, but a little different.
Speaker C:But it still has general vibes are the same.
Speaker C:Where it's very grounded in that Taurus.
Speaker D:Sun and Capricorn Rising, reliable practicality kind of stuff that's all like stubbornness.
Speaker D:That's all coming through in a start, for sure.
Speaker D:It's just.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's just not where people think it is.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I was gonna say, I also think people might be seeing Virgo because like Chrissy said a couple minutes ago, your sun sign is who you are when you're at your most at peace, when you're at your happiest.
Speaker A:And I don't know how often we get to see Eddie at peace or happy.
Speaker A:I don't even know if we're in double digits of screen time.
Speaker D:Oh, gosh.
Speaker C:Can count on one hand and not even.
Speaker C:All.
Speaker C:All fingers used.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I could get it from that.
Speaker A:From that perspective.
Speaker A:If you're, like looking at.
Speaker A:At him, like the rigid.
Speaker A:Rigidity that I kind of apply more to Virgos than the other Earth signs.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, you do get some of that rigidity with.
Speaker C:With all of the Earth signs, but in different ways.
Speaker C:So different with their rigidity, detail oriented and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Perfectionist.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:As a perfectionist, I'm always right.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:And I don't think Eddie exhibits in that same way.
Speaker D:I think he has a stubbornness to him, but I don't think it's perfectionism.
Speaker D:I don't think he cares to be perfect.
Speaker D:Like, there's another quality of.
Speaker D:I think Torrens are very traditionalist and I think that Eddie exhibits that in how he perceives, like the family.
Speaker D:The family structure, how it should be.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:What, like his ideals, his values?
Speaker D:And that's not really perfectionism to me.
Speaker D:That's just how he.
Speaker D:What he wants.
Speaker D:That's his.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Performance of perfection.
Speaker C:Yes, right.
Speaker C:Of your ideal of perfection and taking it on and performing it.
Speaker C:And then that Scorpio moon just really jumps out.
Speaker D:Well, I think it makes sense because he is such an emotional person and he's also such a petty person.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's getting that from the Capricorn.
Speaker C:Both.
Speaker D:He doesn't forget things.
Speaker D:Like once you wrong him, he will remember that for his life.
Speaker D:He will hold on to it.
Speaker D:All the stuff that has to do with his parents and his family.
Speaker D:And also how he was dealing with Shannon.
Speaker C:Like, he can hold a grudge.
Speaker C:If we were talking about that earlier.
Speaker D:Yes, Very Scorpio perspective of things and how he's dealing with his emotions there.
Speaker D:But also, we've seen this applies to Buck as well with the cancer moon and Eddie with the Scorpio moon.
Speaker D:But they're both such emotional people, emotional men.
Speaker D:I think that it makes sense to give them water moons because of that, we see them expressing emotion a lot.
Speaker D:Very intensely.
Speaker D:We see them crying a lot.
Speaker D:Not necessarily afraid to cry when the moment calls for it.
Speaker D:And I think that's definitely a Water Moon thing.
Speaker D:But with Eddie, the difference is that I don't think that Eddie enjoys other people seeing him in an emotional state.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker D:And I think that that protectiveness of your emotions is very Scorpio.
Speaker D:And giving him that.
Speaker D:That Scorpio moon, it just makes so much sense.
Speaker D:He's so protective of his heart and his vulnerability.
Speaker D:Vulnerable moments and his trauma, and that's just a very Eddie quality, I think.
Speaker C:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:And I think when he, like, when he does feel like his vulnerability is being shown or something, I feel like he does kind of like attack back, kind of like the whole imagery of a Scorpio will sing back.
Speaker B:He's done that a couple of times.
Speaker D:Seeing through your emotions, you just get triggered a little bit.
Speaker D:And when you're not ready for that, you fight back a little bit.
Speaker D:And he's definitely had those moments.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:The whole trying to come back from dispatch back to the 118, him talking to Bobby just like, I.
Speaker C:I forget.
Speaker C:I forget how he words it, but he.
Speaker C:He absolutely throws.
Speaker A:You're gonna look at Bobby with a hundred and some bodies on you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And tell me I'm not fit for duty.
Speaker A:Screw you, Bobby.
Speaker A:That's exactly what he says.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker C:He hits where it.
Speaker C:Where he knows it's gonna hurt, where he knows it's going to sting the most.
Speaker C:And also, like the whole.
Speaker C:He won't forget anything.
Speaker C:Like, come on.
Speaker C:When I think we're all thinking of.
Speaker A:The same thing with.
Speaker C:With Josh in dispatch.
Speaker D:And he held on.
Speaker C:Today.
Speaker C:You're in my house.
Speaker D:He held onto that for months.
Speaker A:The pettiness.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, he felt so vindicated.
Speaker A:Oh, oh, I'm sure he did.
Speaker D:I bet he felt so satisfied with himself after that.
Speaker D:He was like, I was waiting for the right moment and landed her.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would definitely do that.
Speaker B:That's something I would do.
Speaker C:Like, you never.
Speaker C:You never show the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker C:The ace up your sleeve right until the opportune moment.
Speaker D:And you know what?
Speaker D:I'm a Scorpio rising.
Speaker D:I do that too.
Speaker D:100%.
Speaker D:I'll lay low.
Speaker D:And I'm like, you know what?
Speaker D:If you want to test me, when the moment comes, I will end you.
Speaker D:So watch.
Speaker C:Watch it.
Speaker A:It's fuck around and find out.
Speaker A:You'll find out at a mom most dramatic and convenient for me when the.
Speaker D:Punch will sting the most.
Speaker D:Ben.
Speaker D:Ben.
Speaker A:I really do think that the Capricorn Rising is such a fallback mask for Eddie, because this is how, when people first meet him, they think he has his shit together.
Speaker D:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:They think that he is just from.
Speaker C:First glance, this, this perfect.
Speaker C:What did we talk about in our 201 episode?
Speaker C:Like, here's this new guy.
Speaker C:He's so competent.
Speaker A:He's done all this stuff.
Speaker C:He's so.
Speaker A:He's sewn on plus under pressure.
Speaker D:And Silver Star has his life together.
Speaker D:Everybody knows how to handle every call.
Speaker D:So sociable with every single member, connecting with everybody.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's just the image that is presented.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And the moment he tries to make an actual choice for himself is the worst possible choice that he could make.
Speaker C:And shows like, oh, he just likes to blow up his life on, like, routinely.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker D:Every couple months, you know, it's time.
Speaker A:That's not the Capricorn.
Speaker A:The Capricorn is what he's trying to make people think that he actually is.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:It's 100%.
Speaker A:I feel like his.
Speaker A:His Capricorn is way more of a mess than the Leo is for Buck.
Speaker C:Like, Buck lives in the Leo, but Eddie hides behind the.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's 100% true.
Speaker A:He's had to since he was a kid.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:He's been forced into this position where he needs to be on it.
Speaker D:He needs to be the perfect son, be the perfect father, be the perfect brother.
Speaker C:Which, again, is all performative based on the ideals that he's, like, taken on.
Speaker D:And I think also that that kind of competence that people believe Eddie to.
Speaker D:To have is very Capricorn trait as well.
Speaker D:And also on top of that, he is once again the Earth.
Speaker D:He's.
Speaker D:He's stubborn, he's firm in his decision making, he's direct when he wants to speak to you.
Speaker D:That's all Capricorn qualities.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:How he handles Buck in 201 is 100% the Capricorn, like, assessing the situation and then being, like, being direct, but then also being, like, sussing out what's actually going to get this person to be on his side.
Speaker D:Honestly, I think that's a very Scorpio Moon of him.
Speaker C:The sussing out is the sussing out.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker C:But how he then applies it, the.
Speaker D:Execution, 100% is Capricorn.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's one of the ways.
Speaker C:I think that's one of the most successful ways we've seen all of these different elements of his chart as we're interpreting it interact with each other because it's like, okay, in that case, it's like the Scorpio moon is doing the sussing out and trying to do the analyzing and the Capricorn Rising is putting that into practice.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that's a good enough kind of introduction.
Speaker A:I feel like we can dive deeper, deeper into these individually now.
Speaker D:Yeah, sure.
Speaker C:Shall we enter the.
Speaker C:The final frontier of deep space?
Speaker D:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker C:Will connect the dots of the constellation.
Speaker D:Oh.
Speaker D:Oh, you know what?
Speaker D:I like that.
Speaker D:I can leave.
Speaker A:I think that was actually cute.
Speaker A:That was cute.
Speaker C:Okay, I'm done now.
Speaker A:So let's, let's dive deep into each individual sign.
Speaker A:For Buck again, his sun sign is Libra, and a Libra is an air sign.
Speaker A:When you think of air, you think of a breath of fresh air, which I think Buck is.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, Especially I think in all of the 118s lives.
Speaker A:Maybe not always in a positive way at first, but eventually, definitely.
Speaker A:Air signs are constantly thinking and curious.
Speaker A:They love to learn.
Speaker A:They're social butterflies, innovative, and they're flexible, open minded to adapt and change.
Speaker A:They're ruled by Venus, which is the planet of love and pleasure and beauty.
Speaker A:And they love intimacy, closeness and balance.
Speaker A:Personality traits is they're very like effusive, charming, witty, funny, big people pleasers, literally.
Speaker A:Taylor Swift wrote, I wouldn't marry me either a pathological people pleaser or bad.
Speaker A:About Buck Buckley, a Libra.
Speaker D:I believe that.
Speaker A:They are, like endlessly optimistic and idealistic.
Speaker A:Even if sometimes they're not optimistic for themselves, they'll still always have it ready for everyone else.
Speaker A:Yeah, they can always turn on that optimism for everyone else, but they can't always turn it on for themselves.
Speaker A:Like I said earlier when we were doing the overview, they really are kind of like almost obsessed with fairness and like equality.
Speaker A:And they have a lot of empathy for people.
Speaker A:And I think that's why they're obsessed with the fairness.
Speaker C:When they see something that's, you know, what they deem as unfair, they're gonna ruminate on it.
Speaker C:Especially as we see with Buck, if it's towards anyone, then he will, like, advocate for them.
Speaker C:And if it's like, if he's feeling like, slighted.
Speaker D:I feel like with Buck, he, he has this very strong moral code that he applies to everybody around him.
Speaker D:And this includes, like, for example, how he treated Taylor.
Speaker D:He was very like, this is what's right.
Speaker D:And if you are not aligned with my opinion of what's right, you're just wrong.
Speaker D:Simply, you're wrong.
Speaker D:And also, yep, there's a lawsuit.
Speaker C:He was like, yes, that's what I was thinking of.
Speaker D:You're not.
Speaker D:You didn't treat Chimney this way, so why am I being treated this way?
Speaker D:That's unfair.
Speaker D:That was the entire baseline of the lawsuit.
Speaker C:Like, when he feels slighted, that's.
Speaker C:That's what I.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:And then there's also when Gerard came in, and then, yes, he was treating everybody unfairly, and he was like, this is unfair.
Speaker D:We should all quit.
Speaker D:He's always advocating for that.
Speaker D:That moral code, that fairness, that equal treatment across the board.
Speaker D:He doesn't appreciate any kind of sliding toward anybody, especially himself.
Speaker D:When he feels impacted by that, he's like, I need to take a stand against this.
Speaker D:Feels very strongly about it.
Speaker A:And I think you can see this also implemented in how he is a fixer.
Speaker A:Because if he sees something happening to someone he cares about that he feels.
Speaker C:Is unfair, he wants to fix it immediately.
Speaker A:And he normally finds a way to fix it.
Speaker D:Going back to, like, how he treated Maddie and Chimney during that situation.
Speaker D:He was trying to balance both of them at the same time.
Speaker D:Trying to be there for Chimney, but also abide by what Mattie requested of him.
Speaker D:And I feel like.
Speaker D:I don't know if everybody knows this, but with every sign, there's, like, a little image that comes with it.
Speaker D:And Libra's, the scales, and you have to have balanced scales.
Speaker D:And I think that with Buck, those balance scales are very important.
Speaker D:He needs to give everything equal.
Speaker D:Equal attention.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think another good example is when Eddie comes to him for advice when Chris gets, like, hurt at school because of the skateboard incident, and he's like, how do I tell my kid that, you know, he can't do anything?
Speaker A:That's what I've always told him.
Speaker A:And so that triggers Buck.
Speaker A:That triggers that.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker A:Well, that's not fair.
Speaker A:He should be able to do anything that he wants just like anyone else.
Speaker A:And, like, maybe it won't be in the same way, but, like, I can make that happen.
Speaker D:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I can fix it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I can make it fair.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The whole fixer thing is you can be a people pleaser and you can be a fixer, but not all of those are mutually inclusive with, like, actually finding the solution.
Speaker C:But Buck always finds a solution.
Speaker C:Like, even after just meeting Eddie and finding out that Eddie is having trouble with, you know, dealing with the red tape, like, the bureaucracy of it all, which is often very unfair.
Speaker C:Buck is like, no, I'm gonna figure out a way to, like, give you a leg up, which was getting Carla in.
Speaker C:In on.
Speaker C:On the whole thing.
Speaker C:So he people pleases and he fixes, but he actively finds and produces solutions that do work, which I think is one of the reasons why he continues to lean on all of that as well.
Speaker C:Sometimes to his own detriment, but because it has been so successful for others and that's what.
Speaker C:That's what he really cares about.
Speaker D:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know if any of you have a Libra son in your life.
Speaker A:My best friend is a Libra son.
Speaker D:My best friend's also a Libra son.
Speaker A:I have.
Speaker A:They're literally the best, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, they're literally the.
Speaker A:They're the best until you have to be like, can you maybe put any of this energy into yourself?
Speaker A:Possibly.
Speaker C:Yes, that's it exactly.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker D:They're very forgiving with their time and their amount of self care when you.
Speaker A:Have to literally, like, browbeat them to do any amount of self care.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Or be like, maybe sometimes you have to like, not do everything for everyone else so that you can do things for yourself.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker C:One of.
Speaker C:One of my really good friends from high school, there's a group of three of us, and one of them, she is a Libra.
Speaker C:And if something's like, not great in her life and she'll, you know, just kind of like, vent a little bit and then immediately we'll be like, but how are you guys?
Speaker C:What's wrong with you?
Speaker C:Like, anything I can do for you?
Speaker C:And it's just like, oh, and first apologize.
Speaker A:Apologize for venting.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, this is.
Speaker C:This is you time.
Speaker C:We're focusing on you right now.
Speaker C:And you also have to focus on you right now.
Speaker C:So, like, you have the spotlight and they don't.
Speaker C:They don't always like the spotlight in that sense.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:They are like one of the most giving people and they will show up for you every single time.
Speaker A:Yeah, they will show up for you even when you don't ask them.
Speaker D:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker D:I feel like also the whole thing that we said about Libra being ruled by Venus, which is like the love sign.
Speaker D:It's very Buck.
Speaker D:I feel like.
Speaker D:Well, Buck is the person on the show that had the most flings, relationships.
Speaker D:He's also.
Speaker D:His entire storyline centers around love and finding love, which is such a ruled by Venus thing.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker D:Love is like at the very center of what is going to complete him.
Speaker D:And yes, that is very Venus.
Speaker D:That's.
Speaker D:It's just like, Buck is a lot of sense finding love and that is just so.
Speaker D:It's just such a Libra quality for sure.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's.
Speaker C:That's going to.
Speaker C:We should come back to that when we talk about Eddie.
Speaker C:Eddie and his Taurus sun.
Speaker C:Because that is also related to Venus.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:They're compatible in that way.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:But also in like the opposite sense where Eddie doesn't actively seek that stuff out.
Speaker C:But we'll get to Eddie.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:So right now we are about Buck.
Speaker A:We are about Buck right now.
Speaker A:So just to kind of wrap up the whole, like, does everything for everyone else but can't, you know, can't be bothered to actually take care of themselves emotionally because they're too busy, you know, showing up for everyone else.
Speaker A:It's because they, they kind of feel guilty.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:If they aren't doing things for other people.
Speaker A:But they, they absolutely feel guilty when they're unhappy.
Speaker A:If they're unhappy and if the people that they care about pick up on it, like they feel guilty about it because them being unhappy affects everyone around them because they are like, they're like the little sunshine.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:They're the little sunshine friend who's always optimistic and always shows up for you.
Speaker C:And if they can't be that and.
Speaker A:If they can't do that or if it's like very obvious that like they're, they're putting on like their best attempt of it, but it's obvious to the people who care about them that that's.
Speaker A:No, not actually the case.
Speaker A:They feel guilty about it.
Speaker A:So they're gonna try their hardest to never show when they're actually unhappy.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:I just feel like Buck does this all the time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like he'll be going through horrible emotional shit and just not talk to anyone about it constantly and then just put on a smile and show up for everyone else.
Speaker B:I mean this latest episode, this last one.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, just the way, just the way like you know, he's like processing that news but you know, about Eddie.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:Like I'm being like low key, vague.
Speaker B:So like 800, 808.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Because I forgot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I mean like at the end of 808, like he's just, I mean he's like receiving like that kind of like earth shattering news, but he's going to put on that like, like smile on his face and he's just going to be like supportive and like everything's okay and I'm going to help you find a house because your, your taste is tragic.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:When we get that shot of him by himself on the couch, like that is like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That smile dropping it's just that's.
Speaker B:That's would be a perfect example.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he, he doesn't want to show Eddie that he's upset.
Speaker B:Like he's not going to tell him.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:Because Eddie needs him.
Speaker C:And it's because he also knows that Christopher is in Buck's mind is more important than Buck.
Speaker C:So Buck is going to people please and not over assert his perceived importance.
Speaker C:Even though he is like the only other like most important person in Eddie's life and Christopher's.
Speaker A:But he doesn't.
Speaker D:That he doesn't see that there's a hierarchy.
Speaker C:Yeah, he knows and he knows it.
Speaker C:And he's just like, if this is.
Speaker A:What'S best for them, it doesn't matter like how I feel.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker D:Once again, that whole aspect of fairness, he's like, this makes sense.
Speaker D:Mentally, this makes sense.
Speaker D:It makes sense why you're paragraphing this.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because Chris supersedes everything.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:Even my own feelings.
Speaker C:So we're going to push them down and make it so Eddie and Chris are reunited because that is what's right.
Speaker B:It's also interesting now that I think about it, like we.
Speaker B:I mean, obviously he's not like Christopher's dad and doesn't have a say anything, but like, it's interesting that so far we haven't really gotten insight on the way he feels.
Speaker B:And I know like, technically it's kind of like the question is why do we need to.
Speaker B:I mean, I know for everyone in this, in this room, in this bar, we know why.
Speaker B:We know the why.
Speaker B:But like, I'm talking about.
Speaker B:I guess I'm talking about like general audience because I'm doing that whole like back and forth thing.
Speaker B:So like, I think it's just interesting that we haven't really like gone into that and explored it, but I feel.
Speaker C:Like it would be.
Speaker B:It's very important because like, you know, Eddie had asked him to like go in there and basically I feel like.
Speaker D:I feel like the way that the show wants to present it, Buck isn't a introspective, reflective person.
Speaker D:He doesn't want to analyze his own feelings because if he did that, if he did that, he would find cannibalism remains.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:100% paints a picture.
Speaker A:This is gonna throw.
Speaker A:This is gonna like tie into the cancer more than the Libra, I think.
Speaker D:Y.
Speaker A:But yeah, there's a reason that I keep my mind occupied 100% of the time.
Speaker A:And anytime I have a thought that is my own like doom scrolling of my own emotions, I shove that shit down as far as possible.
Speaker A:Because I'm like, I need a will to live.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:So, yeah.
Speaker D:And I think that the whole aspect of him not thinking about Christopher but also talking about it with Eddie.
Speaker D:Well, the whole talking about Eddie part, I think that they just won't go there because then they would have to acknowledge what they've been doing this entire time, which is extremely heavy and romantic coded.
Speaker C:I mean, it's also, though, I think if we want to look at it this way, like, Buck does have inner workings of himself, even if he's maybe sometimes not so aware of it.
Speaker C:I think he also doesn't really want to analyze how he feels about Chris leaving for himself, because he also knows that he has to be there for Eddie.
Speaker C:And what Eddie is feeling about Christopher leaving is more important than what Buck feels about Christopher leaving.
Speaker D:I think that he doesn't think that he has the right to feel.
Speaker A:No, exactly.
Speaker C:Because Eddie takes importance on that.
Speaker C:Because Buck doesn't technically have any.
Speaker C:Any like, as strong of a connection, even if you ask Chris.
Speaker C:And it probably is not that.
Speaker C:On top of that, Buck just has to be there for Eddie while Eddie is going through all of that.
Speaker C:So there's no room to acknowledge any.
Speaker C:Any of the feelings on Buck's side.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think it's also that Eddie hasn't opened up that conversation.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:Or asked him how he's waiting for him to.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Because I feel like if Eddie would ask him, like, talk about his own feelings, which he hasn't done, because that would be healthy.
Speaker C:Eddie healthy.
Speaker A:But the fact that he hasn't talked about his own emotions and then asked Buck how he's doing with everything.
Speaker A:Cause even if he did that, Buck would just be like, oh.
Speaker A:And he would brush it off.
Speaker A:Because, again, it's not about him, it's about Eddie.
Speaker A:And then Eddie would have to prod him, like, no, really, how are you doing?
Speaker A:That's how exactly it would have to go, I think, for us to, outwardly, as the audience, verbally hear how he's dealing with it.
Speaker C:And Eddie's not in that place either to even ask, wait, but how are you doing?
Speaker C:Because he's so, like, dealing heavily with his own stuff.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, you know, when Eddie wants to talk, Buck will let Eddie talk and be quiet about it.
Speaker C:And I think that's kind of what we're seeing here.
Speaker C:And when Buck wants to talk, Eddie kind of has to prompt him.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And we're not seeing that in either direction.
Speaker C:It kind of has to, like, stem from Eddie in the first place.
Speaker C:And he's just not in the place to.
Speaker C:To even start that, that conversation in either direction.
Speaker A:I also think that you can look at Buck's face in the one moment we do get to see how he feels about Chris in this entire season.
Speaker A:And you can see everything that you kind of need to know because he looks devastated.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:At the birthday party in episode one.
Speaker C:It'S before he puts the mask back.
Speaker A:On because Eddie can't see him.
Speaker D:It's interesting.
Speaker A:Eddie's not looking at him.
Speaker A:I mean he's in the corner of the screen but he's not looking at him.
Speaker D:That looks and the look that we get at the very end of their scene in 808 very similar looks.
Speaker A:Because interesting.
Speaker D:He's feeling that disappointment and then he's automatically just painting the mask back on after that.
Speaker D:And it's always in a moment that nobody is looking at him.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, I will just.
Speaker A:I have two other things for Libra.
Speaker A:I just felt like this is relevant.
Speaker A:Libras tend to have countless acquaintances because like I said, they're very charming and normally outgoing, but only a handful of close friends, which is probably good because considering everything we just talked about, they.
Speaker C:Can'T be doing everything.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:And then I have just a quote here from my USA Today article about Libra Suns.
Speaker A:It is rare to see a Libra single.
Speaker A:Libras usually need someone to mirror them as they figure out their own sense of individuality.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker D:And I can vouch this.
Speaker D:My Libra best friend, never single, never mind.
Speaker A:Neither.
Speaker A:She's never, She's.
Speaker D:She went like maybe a week in the like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Literally 20 years that I've known.
Speaker D:Went from like a three year relationship to a like a seven year relationship to now a two year plus relationship.
Speaker D:Like.
Speaker D:And I remember the very brief period between one of the relationships.
Speaker D:It was just like she was spiraling.
Speaker D:Like she was not.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker A:Well yeah.
Speaker A:Like even when she wasn't in a relationship mine, she was still dating people.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker A:And like they were not good picks.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Just trying to fill the time basically.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And that's such a Buck thing.
Speaker D:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker C:He's just like always searching for a romantic connection.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because that's what he thinks he needs.
Speaker A:Well, it's partly the Venus thing.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker D:But I mean that quote, the whole thing about needing somebody to mirror you to figure out your own sense of individuality.
Speaker D:I mean I definitely think that Buck is using.
Speaker D:Not in a bad way, using the people that he's romantically inclined to.
Speaker D:To figure out what he needs in a partner, but also what he wants in general.
Speaker D:Like, with Tommy, it was just like men in general, like, exploring that kind of connection.
Speaker D:With Abby, it was the sense of, like, maturity and being there for somebody when they're going through something.
Speaker D:And with Taylor, well, I don't know with Taylor, well, he was trying to help her with her dad and stuff, but I think that with them, they were trying to fill that kind of companionship void in each other's lives.
Speaker C:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker A:I think he.
Speaker A:The things that he really liked in Taylor are only things that she has in common with Eddie, which.
Speaker A:Which are be like.
Speaker A:Like holding yourself, like, very confident, competent, going after what you want, even though Eddie doesn't really do that, but Buck thinks he does.
Speaker A:And then the like, I don't want to say savageness.
Speaker A:The just like, very frankness of just like saying what's on your mind.
Speaker D:Because he enjoyed that, for sure.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Taylor also, I think, has to have Scorpio in her chart.
Speaker D:Oh, for sure.
Speaker A:Almost definitely.
Speaker C:I don't know where, but it's there.
Speaker A:No, but it's there 100%.
Speaker A:She's probably also got a Pisces in there.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:But also, like, what we're saying about.
Speaker C:About him finding the mirror, I think that also plays into.
Speaker C:In his relationships when he ends up trying to be who he thinks the other person wants.
Speaker C:So he's using that mirror in kind of a like.
Speaker C:Like a funhouse mirror way.
Speaker C:Like, not.
Speaker C:Not in the way that he should be utilizing it to, like, to.
Speaker C:To mirror himself.
Speaker C:But he's.
Speaker C:He ends up mirroring them from what his perception of what he thinks that they want.
Speaker D:That's where his relationships are failing, because he is trying to mold and service them and not thinking about, well, that.
Speaker A:And he's already emotionally committed.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's another story.
Speaker D:That's another story.
Speaker D:But for sure he's trying to be something for them and not thinking about his own sense of individuality.
Speaker C:Apart from that, which is one of the reasons why I think it works so well with Eddie, because while Buck is a lot of things to Eddie, like helps with Christopher and is a partner at work and everything like that.
Speaker C:Buck doesn't have to try as hard and, like, nearly as hard.
Speaker C:Like, it's.
Speaker C:In fact, I don't think he tries at all.
Speaker C:It's the most him that he is with someone that he would call a partner because Eddie knows who he really.
Speaker A:Is and he knows someone that he does call.
Speaker D:He lets he lets Buck be who he is when he is doing his Buck related spirals and things.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's like.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And Buck and Eddie know each other so well that Buck kind of knows.
Speaker C:Buck's perception of what Eddie wants Buck to be is exactly what Buck is.
Speaker C:Because they know each other so well because they have such a strong foundational relationship.
Speaker C:So he doesn't have to.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He can use Eddie as a mirror in the way that it's supposed to be rather than turning it around in that way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think this leads us to Buck's cancer moon.
Speaker A:So as the resident cancer.
Speaker A:Let me tell you, that's you.
Speaker A:Let me tell you some things.
Speaker A:Cancers are a water sign.
Speaker A:If you didn't know that.
Speaker A:It's sars.
Speaker A:We're the crab.
Speaker A:We'll talk about that in a minute.
Speaker A:But water signs are sensitive and tender hearted and they lead with their heart.
Speaker A:They absorb the energy of the world around them.
Speaker A:And the way they portray their emotions may not make sense to the other elements because water signs are known to get their wires crossed with their emotions.
Speaker C:Whoa, if that ain't Buck.
Speaker A:But like when water signs are talking to each other, it's like playing on each other and going.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:No, I'm sorry.
Speaker C:Just like get their wires crossed with their emotions.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:That just gives the.
Speaker C:I was jealous and I wanted to get your attention.
Speaker A:Oh, Jesus.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:I think someone got their wires crossed there.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sometimes we can be a lot better at perceiving and understanding everyone else's emotions than actually like processing our own.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's a water sign thing in general or if I'm just speaking for cancer stuff.
Speaker A:Probably a cancer thing.
Speaker A:They love deeply.
Speaker A:And that can sometimes come off as clingy or overly attached because again, of how deeply water signs feel.
Speaker A:Cancer is ruled by the moon, which is real bad for us because why.
Speaker A:Oh, the moon is constantly fucking changing.
Speaker C:Wait, I'm sorry, I will let you continue, but just, just.
Speaker A:I'm gonna let you finish.
Speaker C:I'm gonna let you finish.
Speaker C:But when these.
Speaker C:Listen.
Speaker C:When these parallels.
Speaker C:When these parallels pop into my head, I have to.
Speaker C:I have to say them.
Speaker C:I mean any.
Speaker C:Anytime we're talking about like moon stuff, especially in relation.
Speaker C:Especially in relation to Buck and the whole season.
Speaker C:Season 1 Episode 7 Creepy AF Full Moon Episode and that's the one that Buck and Abby get together in some other ways.
Speaker C:That's just.
Speaker C:Just throwing that out there for.
Speaker C:For thought.
Speaker C:Just interesting.
Speaker C:Which also the moon made him do it.
Speaker A:When Other people say the moon made them do it.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:But when Cancers say it, that is literal.
Speaker A:It's literally true.
Speaker C:See?
Speaker A:So, yeah, being ruled by the moon means that you have a lot of emotional sensitivity, which, again, this is similar with water signs, too.
Speaker A:Strong ability to feel and understand emotions, both their own and others.
Speaker A:You have a heightened sense of intuition, having gut feelings.
Speaker A:I think Buck operates mostly off of gut feelings.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like which?
Speaker C:Same.
Speaker C:So almost solely off of gut feelings.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:We are very much about home and family and the hearth, and we have a strong attachment to family and the concept of home, which is why Buck is so fucked up.
Speaker A:I mean, it would fuck anyone up.
Speaker A:But I feel like being a cancer.
Speaker C:Moon and having your emotional needs met.
Speaker A:When you were cancer is the divine feminine mother energy of the.
Speaker A:The zodiac.
Speaker A:We are the mother of the zodiac, so we are literally the homemakers.
Speaker A:We are obsessed with building a home, building a family, feeling safe, and making everyone who is in that home feel safe and comfortable.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that's why he just continues to just be miserable, because he didn't have a family.
Speaker A:He had Maddie, but he didn't have, like, a family that met any of his emotional needs growing up.
Speaker A:Didn't have a home.
Speaker A:And he has a home in the 118, but he still doesn't have, like, a nuclear home.
Speaker A:I don't consider that loft a home, and I don't think he does either.
Speaker D:No, yeah, I agree.
Speaker C:It's just the place where he sleeps.
Speaker A:It took him how many years to finally put anything up on his fridge?
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker D:Eight very clinical years.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And being ruled by the moon also gives you a subconscious awareness, like an ability to access deeper inner thoughts and feelings, sometimes when you want to, and sometimes when you don't.
Speaker A:So you could call these intrusive thoughts maybe, but, yeah, some general personality traits then, just of Cancers, that we are extremely caring and compassionate and always looking out for the needs of others.
Speaker A:He got double people pleaser.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:In his chart.
Speaker A:So unfortunate.
Speaker A:And again, being, like, a nurturer and wanting to be a caregiver or being like a natural caregiver because, again, that divine feminine energy thing, the empathetic empath thing, I'm just gonna touch on really quick because, like, not only does Buck feel his emotions very deeply, but I feel like he is constantly feeling everyone else's emotions very deeply, especially Eddie's and Bobby's and Maddie's.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Like, he's very in tune to those specific.
Speaker C:And it makes sense because they Are.
Speaker D:Like the most important people to him.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:And the people he's closest to and the people that he wants to please the most.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:Yep, absolutely.
Speaker A:But yeah, I feel like this has led to some of the like, overstimulation, Spidey sense kind of scenes we see with him.
Speaker A:Like most notably the most recent one is like episode one of season eight at the end of the episode when he has his like, overstimulation moment because he is up in his own like, hyper, you know, feelings because of Gerard coming at him and.
Speaker A:But I think he's also still operating off of all of like everyone's.
Speaker A:Everyone around him is like in turmoil.
Speaker A:And I think he's just picking up on that.
Speaker A:And I think that like, that also fed into not just how he talked about his reaction when he's like, we should all just quit.
Speaker A:How that was like a Libra thing because of a fairness thing.
Speaker A:I also feel like it's a.
Speaker A:I want to take you away from the thing that is giving you all like, emotional turmoil.
Speaker A:Cancers like to martyr themselves.
Speaker A:Like there's kind of nothing we love more.
Speaker D:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Than to martyr ourselves.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker A:And as small and as large ways is possible.
Speaker A:Any way that can we.
Speaker A:We can possibly sacrifice our own.
Speaker C:Uh huh.
Speaker A:Happiness.
Speaker A:Well, being.
Speaker A:We'll, you know, we'll take the hit.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:We love to do it.
Speaker C:Oh my goodness.
Speaker A:It's just what you do.
Speaker C:I mean, it's hard to find a more martyr y martyr than Buck.
Speaker C:The only other person I can think of is Dean Winchester.
Speaker A:So what is his sign?
Speaker C:Aquarius.
Speaker A:Aquarius.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm trying to think if they have a martyr thing too.
Speaker A:I just know that my Aquarius does.
Speaker A:I mean like not my Aquarius Rising.
Speaker A:Our good friend Steve has a problem.
Speaker C:With that as well.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Back to Cancers.
Speaker A:We have a real big fear of abandonment.
Speaker A:And that ties into the, like, how important like the home and the family and all of that is.
Speaker A:But it also really ties into like the hyper empathy thing too and how deeply we feel things.
Speaker A:And yeah, we can't let shit go.
Speaker A:Can't do it.
Speaker A:We can't.
Speaker A:Sometimes we don't even want to.
Speaker A:I mean, we want to try.
Speaker C:Makes sense.
Speaker A:I will say.
Speaker A:Okay, let me come back to the crab thing.
Speaker A:I guess this is a good, good time to do it.
Speaker A:Okay, so when you think of a crab hard shell, right.
Speaker A:And the pincers.
Speaker A:But I bet when you think of like a cancer in your life, that's not exactly how you think about Them.
Speaker A:You don't think about them as like, an especially, like, you know, prickly person towards you anyway.
Speaker A:Maybe towards the general population, depending on your flavor of cancer.
Speaker A:But I feel like the reason the crab was chosen, not just because it lives in the water, because it's a water sign, is because we do not let you in.
Speaker A:We have a very hard exterior to crack to get through before we will let you in.
Speaker A:We could care about you and do things for you, but in order for us to really let you in, especially to know and see our emotions, God fucking forbid, which is like our nightmare, talking about our own emotions.
Speaker A:Nightmare.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's a very hard shell to break.
Speaker A:And sometimes you.
Speaker A:You could.
Speaker A:You could get a.
Speaker A:A claw trying to do it in the process.
Speaker A:Or even if we've let you in, if we feel like we need to protect ourselves sometimes you might be in.
Speaker C:Some pain, gonna get pinched.
Speaker A:Like, maybe if you triggered our fucking fear of abandonment because you made us feel like you, A, didn't really care if we came back to work at the place that is our home and family, and B, that you didn't think that we were good enough to do it.
Speaker C:Woof.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker A:Could maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe trigger us to do something drastic.
Speaker C:Like a lawsuit, you mean?
Speaker A:Possibly.
Speaker A:I mean, that wouldn't be my first reaction, but, like, I don't blame him.
Speaker A:This is like an indirect quote, but there is something that basically said one night stands won't cut it.
Speaker A:Because we need.
Speaker A:We want to merge at a deep soul level.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:That relates.
Speaker A:Because we need that emotion.
Speaker A:Like, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:We need that emotional connection.
Speaker C:And what does Buck want more than anything?
Speaker C:It's connection.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker A:He doesn't just want.
Speaker A:He doesn't just want a home and a family.
Speaker A:He wants that deep soul level connection.
Speaker A:And that's the problem.
Speaker A:Yes, but that's the problem that he has in all these relationships, I think, is that he doesn't feel that.
Speaker A:And he thinks that if he just tries harder, it'll eventually happen.
Speaker C:Not how that works.
Speaker C:That's not how any of this works.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no.
Speaker A:And then these are just.
Speaker A:Just some quick little.
Speaker A:Some quick little, like, reads or facts about cancers.
Speaker A:Cancer moons, I think, specifically quick to anger if a loved one is wronged or threatened.
Speaker A:But are also one of the most loving and supportive people you could ever hope to meet.
Speaker A:Which I feel like tracks for him 100%.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Very intuitive and drawn to careers where they can help others.
Speaker A:I think that there are a lot of reasons why being a firefighter is so important to him.
Speaker A:To the point where it's like kind of unhealthy because he doesn't feel like he has value if he does any other job.
Speaker A:But I think a big reason is because he never found any other job fulfilling.
Speaker A:Because you know, he worked a bunch of odd jobs, you know, in his travels, but this is the first one where he really felt like he was.
Speaker C:Helping people and making a difference in people's lives.
Speaker C:So it's exactly.
Speaker C:It's another form of like that people pleasing a little in a different way.
Speaker A:I feel like it's more like a.
Speaker A:More like a taking care, nurturing like okay, caregiver kind of thing where like you.
Speaker A:It can.
Speaker A:It can manifest in a lot of different ways.
Speaker A:But I feel like bucks manifest very classically and what you would think of when you think of like caregiver, nurturer, you know, he loves kids and he likes taking care of people.
Speaker A:And then we have answer.
Speaker A:Moons have the ability to make everyone around them feel safe, seen and understood.
Speaker A:And I think he does this with every single person around him at one point or another.
Speaker A:And a regular basis for a lot of them.
Speaker A:I mean there are a lot of reasons.
Speaker A:I think Eddie always comes to him for advice.
Speaker A:But I think the fact that Eddie does feel seen and known and understood and safe to say the craziest shit that you could ever possibly imagine, you know, and that he will only be mildly judged in facial expression alone, that he feels safe in confiding in him.
Speaker A:Cancer's can also access and learn from their vivid and symbolic dreams.
Speaker A:I haven't ever once done that.
Speaker A:I have very vivid dreams.
Speaker A:I can't fucking remember shit once I wake up.
Speaker A:I just know they're all pretty terrible.
Speaker A:But I thought that this stood out because of like how vivid and beat you over the head symbolic his coma dream was and how he came out of that coma dream like he had been in several years of therapy.
Speaker A:So I really was like, oh, he really tapped in and learned of that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:In a way that I feel like would have been weird to have that kind of storyline for other characters on this show.
Speaker D:Oh my God.
Speaker D:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:To wake up and be like I'm changed.
Speaker D:Yeah, that was just such a buck thing to happen.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because I think that also kind of goes in this as well.
Speaker C:It kind of speaks towards his, you know, like not analytical of self sort of thing.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And it's very, very much in line with his radical self acceptance.
Speaker C:So like him therapizing himself through the coma dream.
Speaker C:And then he wakes up and he is like, ah, yes, this is who I am now.
Speaker C:Yep, I'm healed.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was the only thing wrong.
Speaker A:Makes sense at all.
Speaker A:Now everything's perfect.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And then I guess last little note that I have is that Taylor Swift is also a cancer man.
Speaker D:Yeah, it says so much.
Speaker C:Yeah, it explains a lot.
Speaker A:Someone who can tap into like multigenerational psyche, emotionally connect to billions of people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker A:One of the Leos want to lead this one because I feel like I just talked for 80 years.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But I can't speak for the cancers.
Speaker D:Yes, you knew, you knew cancer better than we did.
Speaker D:You had a personal one on one experience with cancer.
Speaker C:Unfortunately, who are we to tell you about your own?
Speaker A:So it's not a direct translation, but it's, you know, it's close.
Speaker C:Neither, neither is mine because I'm a Leo moon.
Speaker C:And we put Buck as a, as a Leo rising.
Speaker C:But Leo is a fire sign which tends to be very like passionate, energetic and charming.
Speaker C:Sometimes hot tempered.
Speaker C:But they also tend to be leaders and I feel like that is all pretty, pretty Buck.
Speaker C:Leo is ruled by the sun and that kind of rules kind of like the ego drive and outward expression.
Speaker C:So just like very sunshiny in your face like at all times sort of thing.
Speaker C:Some personality traits found with people exhibiting signs in Leo, they tend to be bright, good natured, magnetic.
Speaker C:So that charming magnetism, you know, drawing people in kind of effortlessly without a lot of practice or effort to do.
Speaker C:So it just kind of comes naturally, which I think it does to Buck as well.
Speaker C:They tend to, I don't know if it's like to be the center of attention or just are the center of attention, which can be different things.
Speaker D:With my experience of Leos, it's both they enjoy the attention and they also find themselves at the center attention a lot, just.
Speaker C:And that's because of the.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's because of like that charming magnetism.
Speaker C:And it's just like, whereas some, some people would feel more uncomfortable in the spotlight, Leos tend to thrive, I guess a little bit more.
Speaker D:And I mean like Leo is ruled by the sun.
Speaker D:The sun is at the center of the universe.
Speaker C:That, that makes sense.
Speaker C:We are heliocentric.
Speaker C:I also feel like if I had.
Speaker A:To name a sign that needed collapse to survive.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, it's a Leo.
Speaker A:It's Leo.
Speaker D:The validation, the need, the need for feedback.
Speaker D:And I mean like when you see him with Gerard in 801, he's literally going out of his way to impress him.
Speaker D:Trying to get that kind of leadership where somebody is telling him, yes, you're doing a good job, you're doing that acknowledgment.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:And he's just never getting it.
Speaker D:And he's wilting away because he's not getting that.
Speaker D:Those, those that internal and outward feedback.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Speak.
Speaker C:Speaking of which, Leos can tend to be a little bit perfectionists and, and harsh on themselves.
Speaker C:So in that example that you just gave Chrissy like.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:Because he keeps trying so hard to earn the.
Speaker C:Earn that admiration, that respect that.
Speaker C:That he so desperately wants from, you know, a pseudo father figure slash boss.
Speaker C:Not that Gerard would be the father figure.
Speaker D:He's just replacing Buffy.
Speaker D:But Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So it really, it really is like he's pushing himself very hard in order to achieve that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Which does end up thrusting him in the spotlight in a way that doesn't benefit him as much because Gerard goes so harsh on.
Speaker C:On everybody.
Speaker C:Also relatedly, Leos tend to walk through life not expecting to fail.
Speaker C:So like things just come easier to them.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because they, because they have so much of this draw for.
Speaker C:I think mostly people that things just come a little easier and they don't.
Speaker A:Have to like things just work out for them.
Speaker D:There's confidence.
Speaker D:There's natural intuitive confidence.
Speaker D:With Leo's I think also why they're just so such natural born leaders.
Speaker D:And I mean like in work, Buck is just exactly that.
Speaker D:He will literally charge into a burning building and think to himself, yeah, I'm going to get out of this.
Speaker D:And there's not a single doubt in his mind.
Speaker D:And he just really firmly believes.
Speaker D:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:His confidence in himself and his capabilities is one of the reasons why he ends up making some of these reckless or more reckless moves and decisions is because that, that you know, Bobby or Eddie would say would be reckless.
Speaker C:But he knows with within himself like that is what he.
Speaker C:That is within his capabilities and it's just.
Speaker C:He's just gonna do it and it's gonna work out fine.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But on the other side, I think that Leo's.
Speaker D:Because they're so hot tempered, they're naturally impulsive as well.
Speaker C:And that it's the flip side to that point.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:Like he will just act on his intuition and believe it's all going to work out.
Speaker D:That's very impulsive.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And the thing is, even when he acts on impulse like that, it's still for the most part will work out.
Speaker C:Will work out for him.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Just lucky.
Speaker C:Like that well.
Speaker A:And he has his good intuition from both the libra and the cancer to fall back on for that.
Speaker C:That helps those tend to pop out a little bit when he's not on the job.
Speaker C:And it's the Leo impulsiveness when he is working, I think.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, I know.
Speaker A:I just meant his good intuition helps him with the impulsive decisions to just work out.
Speaker A:Because he has good intuition.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:I definitely think the Leo pops out the most when he's on the job.
Speaker C:Like that is.
Speaker C:That is the Persona that he takes.
Speaker C:Well, it's the rising side is the Persona that he takes on.
Speaker D:And I would say it also comes out in relationships, at least at the very start of relationships, because I think that once again, it's the performance, it's how he's trying to present himself.
Speaker D:The charming nature, the passion, the ego, etc.
Speaker C:The ego, which is.
Speaker C:Which is also.
Speaker C:I think we've talked about how he doesn't end up pursuing a lot of relationships.
Speaker C:People come to him.
Speaker C:And I think this also plays into the Leo rising of it with that charming magnetism.
Speaker C:He just draws people in so he doesn't have to actively as much go looking for it because he just has to stand in one place and people flock.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like he doesn't have to dress up and go to a golf course trying to pick up women.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker D:Oh, God.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:For a second I was.
Speaker C:I was thinking the.
Speaker C:The topgolf with Gerard, because we were just talking about Gerard and I was like, they were pick.
Speaker C:Picking what?
Speaker C:That's not what I remembered.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker C:No, it's okay.
Speaker C:Interesting parallel, actually though.
Speaker D:It is.
Speaker C:I hadn't thought about that.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But he also just settles like anyone who shows him attention.
Speaker A:He's just like, you've shown me attention and you're in front of me.
Speaker A:That seems like a sign.
Speaker A:Like that should just work.
Speaker C:That's also correct because generally things work out for him.
Speaker C:Except in this.
Speaker C:In these cases where he's still on the hamster wheel and none of those things have worked out for him.
Speaker C:So like, I.
Speaker C:That's kind of a whole different conversation.
Speaker C:But yeah, that's.
Speaker C:That's kind of like the.
Speaker C:The flip side to that again, where.
Speaker C:Because he.
Speaker C:He doesn't really go actively searching out those kind of relationships.
Speaker C:They just come to him.
Speaker C:So he thinks like, yeah, okay, they came to me.
Speaker A:Great.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's all I need to do.
Speaker B:It should work out.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's exactly what.
Speaker D:And it's absolutely in part validation of the ego.
Speaker D:Him being like, oh, they want me.
Speaker D:They.
Speaker D:They see something.
Speaker C:I'm chosen.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker D:It's the whole aspect feeling good about yourself because somebody is validating that side of you.
Speaker C:And this goes.
Speaker C:It's Buck's deep rooted desire to be seen.
Speaker C:So then what does he do?
Speaker C:He makes himself the brightest thing in the sky, so people see him even though you can't look at it directly.
Speaker C:So a lot of times when he thinks that he's being seen, he's not actually.
Speaker C:We talk.
Speaker C:We talk about that all the time.
Speaker C:Same mean.
Speaker B:Norman.
Speaker A:It's because what you just said, which I don't know if we have like talked about it in that exact way before, but the fact that like he uses this mask of the Leo mask to not only like pick people up or draw people to him, but that is kind of what he is also putting in the most forefront of who he is in a relationship.
Speaker A:And so then he's like, why don't I feel like they don't actually know me at all?
Speaker A:And it's like you aren't showing them your actual self.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker D:This is just the presentation.
Speaker D:It's not your true self.
Speaker D:It's not when you're at piece.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:They're only validating the parts of you that are at the surface, not the deeper rooted stuff.
Speaker C:And it's almost like.
Speaker C:No, why do I have just like the idea, like, continue the metaphor of like the sun.
Speaker C:It's like it's.
Speaker C:It's just all of this gas, right.
Speaker C:Surrounding a much smaller core that you can't see until it supernovas and then like literally like blow up your life and then that's all that will be left.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That's as far as I got in the two seconds that I thought of that.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But also.
Speaker C:But also just silly.
Speaker C:Really silly.
Speaker C:Goofy aside.
Speaker C:If we're still going with that metaphor of Buck is the sun, who do we see where sunglasses the most on calls?
Speaker C:And it's Eddie.
Speaker B:I was gonna say, is it Eddie?
Speaker B:I think it is.
Speaker A:It's not chimney.
Speaker B:Well, between the two of them, I.
Speaker D:Feel like he does.
Speaker D:I feel like he does.
Speaker C:He wears the sunglasses.
Speaker D:Sunglasses the most.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker C:I just had.
Speaker C:I just had that Image from like 807 where Eddie is the only one wearing sunglasses even though they're all outside.
Speaker A:Sorry, my brain just went.
Speaker A:Eddie will stare directly at the sun, but never in the mirror.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker D:Great metaphor, somebody.
Speaker A:You thought this was an astrology episode.
Speaker A:It's secretly a Taylor Swift.
Speaker C:Torture Poets Department, Part 3.
Speaker C:Secret.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Secret fashion.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, and.
Speaker C:And that's the thing, though, right?
Speaker C:Eddie is the only one willing to stare at the sun because he sees Buck and nobody else.
Speaker C:Everyone is like, has to shield their eyes after a certain amount of time, and Eddie's just like, I'm gonna go blind.
Speaker A:Well, this is also why he's not just doing this in his romantic relationships.
Speaker A:He's doing this in his relationships with the 118 as well.
Speaker A:He does it the least with Eddie.
Speaker C:Yeah, because Eddie sees him, actually.
Speaker A:But you know how we talk repeatedly because it.
Speaker A:You know, it keeps happening.
Speaker A:The 118 fundamentally misunderstand him for a long time.
Speaker A:And they still do sometimes.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's because of this.
Speaker A:It's because of this.
Speaker A:It's because they see Leo frat boy Buck.
Speaker C:That is the frat boy energy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're like, that's.
Speaker A:That's Buck's core.
Speaker A:And it's like, it's.
Speaker D:It's not even presentation.
Speaker D:It's the presentation.
Speaker A:It's just the wrapping paper.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's literally the performance of buck 1.0.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And that.
Speaker C:And that ended up being, like, the lasting impression.
Speaker C:So, again, it's harder for them to look past all of that without the sunglasses.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And Leos are very radiant and bright, and they enjoy the spotlight as well.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I really liked this one.
Speaker C:Leos tend to be curious creatures who enjoy exploring and keeping their childlike spirit alive from start to finish.
Speaker C:And I feel like that's Buck, like, curious, always wanting to learn.
Speaker C:Very childlike spirit.
Speaker C:I think that is one of the reasons why he connects with kids so easily.
Speaker D:That.
Speaker D:And the Cancer moon.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker C:That emotionality, but also, like, that brightness that, like, draws them to him too.
Speaker C:You know, we're talking about how he utilizes his Leo Rising for, like, his work Persona.
Speaker C:And Leos are also driven by their desires, and it's hard to find an unmotivated Leo.
Speaker C:So, like, when.
Speaker C:And this is why, or I think one of the reasons why firefighting is his life.
Speaker C:And he's so motivated to keep this life because of what we talked about with.
Speaker C:With the Libra and the Cancer moon, where he's, like, very helpful to.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's able to help people and actually make a difference.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And that is what keeps him motivated and, like, charged to keep firefighting as, like, his main personality trait.
Speaker C:A couple little reads about Leo rising specifically because the sun never moves backward in its orbit.
Speaker C:Well, because everything orbits around the sun.
Speaker C:Leo risings are never held back from illuminating the spaces that surround them.
Speaker C:And they take friendship very seriously.
Speaker C:But don't mistake their friendliness with actual friendship.
Speaker C:Leo Risings are natural charmers, like we've mentioned, and it's easy to feel as though you're closer to them than you actually are, which shouldn't be taken personally.
Speaker C:It's just Leo Risings give so much to those they care about.
Speaker C:And I feel like that really meshes a lot of that Libra.
Speaker C:Those Libra qualities together too, in like a kind of harmonious but possibly like, harmful way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then Leo Risings are generous souls who will spend hours.
Speaker C:I liked this one because it's just fuck with like, that curious nature and childlike spirit.
Speaker C:They're generous and will spend hours researching for a friend with a mysterious problem, cheerlead for their best friend who's pursuing their dreams and be fully present for a loved one in need.
Speaker C:And I think every single point in that sentence is what Buck does for Eddie.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:100%.
Speaker A:Specifically, he's doing all of those things right now, even though he is dying inside.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:But like, how many times has he, like, researched something.
Speaker C:Well, we know he.
Speaker C:He's just curious and he likes to research things anyways.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But he researched like, how to get.
Speaker C:Get through the bureaucratic red tape to help Christopher and willing to push his.
Speaker C:His own personal things aside to cheerlead for Eddie and be the person that he leans on and.
Speaker C:And help him find a house in El Paso and be fully present for that.
Speaker C:Everything.
Speaker C:That's what Buck does for Eddie.
Speaker C:And that's like the true nature of his Leo Rising, which Eddie is again able to see because Buck is the most himself with Eddie.
Speaker C:Huzzah.
Speaker A:Any final thoughts on Buckaroo?
Speaker C:I'm sure we'll have more.
Speaker D:I just feel like all of these parts of himself complement each other pretty well.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like there's nothing that really.
Speaker C:Like there's so much overlap.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:With these.
Speaker C:And it doesn't seem.
Speaker D:Comes out in different ways.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like they're very related.
Speaker C:So one kind.
Speaker C:One thing leads to another a little bit.
Speaker D:The values of each part are very in line with each other.
Speaker D:I feel like there's no juxtaposing.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Opposing conflict between the.
Speaker D:Each aspect.
Speaker D:It's just like all of it is complementary.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It just feels so Buck.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I mean, like, we'll get into the same thing with Eddie next.
Speaker D:I feel like his big three are also complementary.
Speaker D:For sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Does anyone have Taurus?
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:But you know What?
Speaker D:My mom's a Taurus, so I can go ahead.
Speaker B:I was like, I have a Taurus, Taurus rising.
Speaker B:But then I was like, wait.
Speaker B:But I don't really.
Speaker B:I don't really read into too much.
Speaker A:Okay, well, just.
Speaker A:Just pipe in if you have any.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thoughts as we go through this.
Speaker C:And I have a.
Speaker C:I have a best friend who is also a Taurus.
Speaker D:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:My first Internet friend is a Taurus.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker A:Oh, and my brother.
Speaker D:Well, Taurus is an Earth sign.
Speaker D:They're very rooted and grounded in their approach to life.
Speaker D:I feel like they value stability.
Speaker D:They value putting down roots and letting those roots grow.
Speaker C:Oh, wow.
Speaker C:Right out of the gate.
Speaker D:It says, work hard, play harder.
Speaker D:And you know what?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I feel like Eddie really wants to.
Speaker D:He just gives everything 100%.
Speaker D:If he feels strongly about it, he will give it 100%.
Speaker D:Maybe even to his own detriment.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:This is why when he chooses things for himself, which are the play harder, it ends up blowing back on him.
Speaker D:He goes a little bit too far sometimes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like Fight Club and.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I was kind of thinking specifically just when he is given the opportunity to actually let loose, which is, like, very.
Speaker C:Oh, that too.
Speaker A:But, like the bachelor party.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:He went hard.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:He was really one hard.
Speaker A:I gotta make up for, like, 20 years.
Speaker C:He would do that too.
Speaker C:Like, this is.
Speaker C:I gotta get everything out.
Speaker C:Just one night.
Speaker D:It's like the hangover circling back to Buck being ruled by Venus with the Libra.
Speaker D:Eddie is also ruled by Venus with Taurus.
Speaker D:While I feel like the value is the same, though, it manifests in a different way.
Speaker D:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker D:Like Venus, the sign of love.
Speaker D:Buck is, like, spending his entire journey searching for love, whereas I think that Eddie is trying to find love but missing it because he's not fully looking at what he needs properly, and he's.
Speaker C:Looking at other needs.
Speaker D:Both their storylines are, like, kind of driven by this drive to find love.
Speaker D:And I feel like with Buck, it's like that completion of family, and with Eddie, it's that unraveling of sexuality and also the aspect of the whole traditionalist sense of completion of family as well.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think Eddie thinks that he's trying to look for it for a completion of family similar to how Buck is.
Speaker C:And that's one of the reasons why it doesn't work for him.
Speaker D:Because he doesn't need it in the same way.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker D:Yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker C:I really want to explore more how.
Speaker C:How both of those interact.
Speaker D:Well, we'll get.
Speaker D:We'll get back to that because.
Speaker D:Well, in the.
Speaker D:After we discuss Eddie.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:We're gonna have the buddy section with how Taurus and Libra interact.
Speaker D:But anyway.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So Taurus personality traits, they're practical, they're responsible, dependable.
Speaker D:Very.
Speaker D:All or nothing, strong sense of responsibility.
Speaker D:Definitely applies to Eddie.
Speaker D:All of these things of he.
Speaker D:His core is how he was grown up, how he was molded to be is like a stable pillar in everyone's lives.
Speaker C:And like the load bearing beam, he has the burden.
Speaker D:He has the burden on him.
Speaker D:He has to be the responsible one, the dependable one.
Speaker D:And I think inherently that hammered in this practicality in him.
Speaker D:100%.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:But then you have the opposite side, which is like Taurus.
Speaker D:Taurens are very protective and loyal and loving and just very emotionally intuitively, intuitively intelligent and perceptive.
Speaker D:And once again, I feel like the sign of Taurus just embodies this idea of stability and rootedness, groundedness.
Speaker D:They need to be the pillar.
Speaker D:They are the pillar.
Speaker C:They're like firm because the Taurus is the bull, right?
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:Which, I mean, next point is that they're persistent.
Speaker D:Taurens are notoriously stubborn.
Speaker D:I feel like the most stubborn person I know in my life is my mother and she's a Taurus.
Speaker A:They're kind of like immovable objects.
Speaker D:They're immovable 100%.
Speaker C:Once they've made a decision about something, they're sticking to it.
Speaker C:Kind of like, oh, yes, all or nothing.
Speaker C:I am going to move my entire life to El Paso.
Speaker C:I have made the decision and nobody is going to change that decision.
Speaker D:So stubborn.
Speaker D:Even like how he acts with Shannon, once he makes up his mind on what he thinks is right, he's like, yes, this is the correct method.
Speaker D:I'm going to be stubborn about this.
Speaker D:And his parents too.
Speaker D:He's like, okay, I feel this way towards you.
Speaker D:That's not changing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like there's a lack of flexibility there.
Speaker C:A little bit.
Speaker C:Like he really kind of digs in his heels.
Speaker C:And some may say he.
Speaker C:He digs them in about 40ft.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:We went not long.
Speaker A:Might be a record.
Speaker D:Thank you.
Speaker C:I bring up the.
Speaker C:Well every time I can find a way to bring it up, so.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:Please continue.
Speaker B:I do help.
Speaker B:I will admit it was applicable.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker B:I was just gonna add to the stubbornness anyway, his sense of reality.
Speaker C:So, like just the way you started that off.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Incredible.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, I.
Speaker B:I want to know what you guys thought I was gonna say, what else What?
Speaker B:How was I gonna approach that?
Speaker D:I mean, I thought you were gonna say he's delusional.
Speaker B:Okay, so that's funny.
Speaker B:It's like a double edged sword because, you know, you have the.
Speaker B:You have Eddie, who's like, I don't believe in signs.
Speaker B:And I'm like, there's nothing.
Speaker B:It has to be about common sense and whatever.
Speaker B:And then you have this man who.
Speaker C:Practicality.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then you have him do all these other insane things, starting with Kim.
Speaker B:That was insanity.
Speaker B:You were delusional.
Speaker B:I don't know how you have a sense of reality with.
Speaker B:With, you know, your.
Speaker B:Your sun sign being a Taurus.
Speaker B:But like, I mean, I guess you are so deeply rooted in the fact that that was going to work out for you.
Speaker A:But yeah, it was literally just a thought entered his head and he was like.
Speaker C:And he went with it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's what he does.
Speaker C:A thought enters his head.
Speaker C:He says, okay, that's it.
Speaker D:And goes on with like a ball.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker A:It's like he can plant himself into being immovable object, but he can also plow through any good ideas that could possibly exist in his empty little head.
Speaker C:When he makes that decision to charge forward, there is nothing stopping it.
Speaker C:So he's either.
Speaker C:He's either an immovable object or an unstoppable force.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:He contains multitudes.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker B:There's too many layers.
Speaker D:Incredible.
Speaker C:He's an onion.
Speaker D:What a character.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Eddie Diaz.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:Well, some reads of the Taurus sign.
Speaker D:It says, wears the same outfit every day.
Speaker C:Oh, like a Henley in eight different colors.
Speaker D:I mean, I completely see this because the Taurus is the fixed sign.
Speaker D:Fixed signs hate change.
Speaker D:So I feel like he is just going to be the kind of person that's like, this works.
Speaker D:And just applies that across the board.
Speaker D:It works.
Speaker D:Why change it?
Speaker C:I like it.
Speaker C:I'm gonna buy it in another color.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:I'm gonna buy it in another color.
Speaker B:It's only applied to his, like, adversion to Hildy.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Definitely does not like change because it's.
Speaker A:It's un.
Speaker A:It's unknown.
Speaker D:It's unnatural.
Speaker C:Does not want to learn new things.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:Well, it's also something because, like, cancers are very, you know, about the home, but so are Taurus.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, they pretty much.
Speaker A:And I guess some cancers, including this one, kind of just like never want to leave their house.
Speaker A:If possible, they would like to be there all the time.
Speaker A:So I think it might have something to do with like feeling unsafe and like something that he can't control happening in like, what is supposed to be his, like, sacred, safe.
Speaker D:Also Taurus.
Speaker D:I feel like they're such, like, they love, like existing in that comfortability and that's why they're such homebodies.
Speaker D:And yeah, this is also with Eddie, he just likes to stay in his comfort zone.
Speaker D:Like, there's a.
Speaker D:He finds a comfort zone.
Speaker D:He's like, oh, this works.
Speaker D:This is.
Speaker D:This is what works for me.
Speaker D:I need to stay here.
Speaker D:I need to.
Speaker D:This is why across the board, there's so many similarities in the women he dates.
Speaker C:Yeah, we've said so many times he has a tight.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Because he's like, oh, this works.
Speaker D:So I'm just gonna apply the same logic across the board.
Speaker D:Oh, this will work.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And it's so funny because, like, you would think because he's a firefighter and he's been in the army and, you know, he does these kind of like, very dangerous jobs.
Speaker C:Like it would be going out of his comfort zone, but contradictory.
Speaker C:That is his comfort zone.
Speaker C:She feels the most at home when, when there are like, dangers put in front of him and he has to navigate those.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's when things are going too smoothly that he decides to put these obstacles and barriers in his own path.
Speaker C:And why he tends to continue to blow up his life when things are going too well, too smoothly.
Speaker C:And also the.
Speaker C:The idea about, you know, this, this may be just like, specifically, you know, like smart devices in the home.
Speaker C:I think that also would be his, like, technophobia, would be him feeling perceived in his place of comfort, whereas where he doesn't have to have that.
Speaker C:That layer of performance on, but if he's, you know, if.
Speaker C:If the device over there is listening to him at all times or like watching him or, or something like that, he's going to feel perceived and therefore will end up putting up walls and not comfortable at home.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think.
Speaker D:Yeah, I think that works.
Speaker D:That's.
Speaker D:That's everything that you just said.
Speaker D:It's just so Eddie, he.
Speaker D:He has a very rigid sense of what works.
Speaker D:And he will apply that across the board with every aspect of his life.
Speaker D:Like firefighting and being a soldier.
Speaker D:I feel like there are similarities and in those job, like what.
Speaker D:What's required of him in those jobs?
Speaker C:Because those are very rigid jobs too.
Speaker D:Yeah, man, I just.
Speaker D:Such an interesting person.
Speaker C:He really is.
Speaker C:He's so multifaceted and like layered.
Speaker D:The second read says uses their well developed insightfulness to be of service to.
Speaker C:Others, which is different than buck's propensity.
Speaker D:To his servicing with the Libra.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:To be a people pleaser and help others.
Speaker C:I feel like these come from, like a different place, if that makes sense.
Speaker C:Like almost like the.
Speaker C:The want to help others and be helpful comes from, like more of a heart area.
Speaker C:But the insightfulness in to be of service to others is more like head.
Speaker A:100 head centered and responsibility.
Speaker D:And that's also going back to like Taurus being like the practical sign and the sign that's craving that stability and rootedness.
Speaker D:I feel like developing and honing in on that skill of practicality.
Speaker D:They're.
Speaker D:They learn how to be of service to others.
Speaker D:What's.
Speaker D:What's most effective.
Speaker D:And that's such an earth sign.
Speaker D:For sure.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:He knows what works, and I feel like that comes across in how he works on the job.
Speaker D:For sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's very.
Speaker C:I guess a good way to sum it up would be just in general.
Speaker C:Buck leads with the heart and Eddie leads with the head.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And sometimes the head isn't right.
Speaker C:So true.
Speaker A:That head is not right.
Speaker C:That head is not screwed on straight.
Speaker A:Frank probably cleared him to work against his better judgment.
Speaker A:Better judgment, Absolutely.
Speaker C:Oh, that's really interesting.
Speaker A:Sorry, I just thought of Frank finding out about the Kim situation.
Speaker C:Oh, my God, where is that fic?
Speaker A:But, like, because he's not going to therapy, so, like, where would he hear it?
Speaker A:What if Frank is friends with Father Brian?
Speaker D:Oh, my God, stop.
Speaker C:Oh, I believe it.
Speaker B:That would be so bad.
Speaker D:Frank being friends with Father Brian would be crazy.
Speaker A:And they're having a little Kiki.
Speaker C:Someone needs to make this.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, that would be hilarious.
Speaker B:Anyway, speaking of crazy.
Speaker C:No, that's perfect.
Speaker C:Please continue.
Speaker B:Eddie's moonsign.
Speaker B:A scorpio.
Speaker B:It is a water sign.
Speaker B:You know, they tend to be intense, but also sensitive, tenderhearted.
Speaker B:Lead with their heart.
Speaker B:They absorb the energy of the world around them.
Speaker B:The way they portray their emotions may not make sense to the other elements because water signs are known to get their wires crossed with their emotions.
Speaker B:But they also love deeply, which can come off as clingy or overly attached, which in my experience, I can become clingy and over attached.
Speaker B:And then I guess that's where, you know, you lead into that possessive behavior, which is that other.
Speaker B:That one negative aspect and then the jealousy and then.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's all in the intensity of the scorpio.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:Sorry, my brain just went fiance's Abby.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, he does display a lot of this especially.
Speaker B:Especially towards, like, bucks relationships, starting with like, what hand Just said the.
Speaker B:The pettiness towards Taylor, the.
Speaker B:The weird 180 he does with Tommy.
Speaker C:Yeah, that.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:That's also, like.
Speaker B:I feel like if I was Eddie, like, I.
Speaker B:In my.
Speaker B:In the person that I was interested in, was in a relationship, I think I would also, like, try to distance myself away and just be like, let me protect myself and not, like, you know, I mean, like, I'll probably have that whole.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, you know, you should actually.
Speaker B:Basically, what he does in that episode, which is, like, go call Tommy, you know, like, be supportive in some kind of way.
Speaker B:Meanwhile also thinking about, like, 5 million ways to kill a man.
Speaker D:So true.
Speaker A:Unrelated.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But yeah, there.
Speaker C:There's that Scorpio, just like Taurus is a little.
Speaker C:Seems a little bit of, like, an all or nothing sort of thing as well.
Speaker D:That's very true.
Speaker C:Like, pendulum swinging from one end to the other with that intensity.
Speaker C:I'm less versed in the water signs, so.
Speaker B:The moon in Scorpio, according to this, indicates a mysteriously mysterious and reserved person.
Speaker B:They're also not someone to be taken lightly.
Speaker B:They need intensity and passion.
Speaker B:And like I said, they can be very fairly possessive.
Speaker B:They can be resilient, but they can also be transformative, which, you know, we see Eddie do, especially in this season.
Speaker B:Like, he's going through a transformation.
Speaker C:Manifests.
Speaker B:In our favorite mustache.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Rip.
Speaker B:Rest in peace.
Speaker C:Oh, no.
Speaker C:Our little soldier gone but never forgotten.
Speaker B:Moon and Scorpio, like, they're, like, just tapping onto that resiliency.
Speaker B:With resilience.
Speaker B:You are also a survivor.
Speaker B:So, I mean, like, I know we're speaking about emotions, but I think that Eddie has gone through the ringer since, like, you know, since basically from, you know, canonically speaking.
Speaker B:10 years old.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Someone with a Scorpio moon also really struggled in childhood.
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker B:Which was like.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's him.
Speaker B:That's kind of what makes you.
Speaker B:Basically, what I'm saying is it reflects your struggle in childhood, reflects how you are in your adult.
Speaker B:In your adult life, emotionally.
Speaker B:So Scorpio is ruled by Mars and Pluto.
Speaker A:You're so special.
Speaker A:You get two.
Speaker B:You get to.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker C:Is it Mars?
Speaker C:Because Pluto was taken off the planetary.
Speaker B:So when I was reading the other thing that I was reading, it actually was that Mars was first.
Speaker B:Oh, so it was ruled by Mars first.
Speaker B:And then the discovery of Pluto was.
Speaker B:That's how it got it on.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we're special.
Speaker B:We get two.
Speaker B:We get the planet of.
Speaker C:What is it?
Speaker B:War Mars is.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Represents war.
Speaker B:And Pluto is like this mysterious, transformative.
Speaker B:All this other stuff.
Speaker C:Yeah, Very intense.
Speaker B:Intense.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Mars represents like desire and energy.
Speaker D:Passion.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Conflict, competition, danger.
Speaker B:Basically a superhero ready to embark on mission missions impossible that others would run the away from.
Speaker B:Which is true because you know, we see him especially on the job, acting like climbing up the wall, you know, like the house to get to save that one kid going into the well.
Speaker B:Because like forget that we already mentioned the well.
Speaker A:Cutting his rope.
Speaker B:Cutting the rope.
Speaker C:Cutting his.
Speaker C:Uh huh.
Speaker B:Crazy man, crazy.
Speaker A:Doing the half Raboa this season.
Speaker C:Marshall Raboa also just like literally ready to embark on missions impossible.
Speaker C:Like he was providing for his family by running off to the army and he, he even said during the Merry Xmas episode, like people saw him and they, they called him a hero.
Speaker C:He was running off to be heroic.
Speaker C:Even though that's like not necessarily the, the impetus.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:For the reason behind it, but like the why is not the how.
Speaker C:In this case.
Speaker A:He seems to run towards things in order to run away from something else.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker C:Because again that is like where his comfort zone is.
Speaker C:His comfort zone is ironically like danger zones.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It looks like he likes to be in high stress situation, which also is.
Speaker C:Probably one of the reasons why he likes Tom Cruise movies so much.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You think he's so comfortable in the chaos and the stress because that's all he knows since he was 10.
Speaker D:Yeah, I could believe that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Again, because when things are too quiet or too stable, too steady, that's when he.
Speaker C:Boom.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I, I think that ties into how we can also become very self destructive.
Speaker B:Like I, like I, I see that I say that about myself sometimes.
Speaker B:I, if, if there's, if it's like too, like if there's not something to kind of like.
Speaker B:I don't want to say hyper fixate over.
Speaker B:I got something.
Speaker B:Something just.
Speaker B:I guess that's part of the reason why our wires get crossed and we just, we find a reason to obsess over something very minor and then just like self destruct and ruin our life and.
Speaker B:But eventually we'll come back from that.
Speaker B:That's where that transformative thing, it takes a, it takes a while, but you.
Speaker C:Have to go through something in order to come out the other side.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think we've, we've been like, you know, kind of to a phoenix rising from the ashes, yada yada, yada.
Speaker B:Oh, ashes, ashes.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He blew up his life.
Speaker B:He'll, he'll, he'll come back from that Anyway, speaking of the dead, I do it all the time, so.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, this is why, I mean, that song is not in the tortured poets department, but we gave him that album, so, I mean, anyway, Pluto, as far as his.
Speaker B:As far as Pluto goes, you know, a Scorpio will have the energy and ambition and human understanding to control and navigate their pathway to the very top of any ambition.
Speaker B:Ambition that they choose.
Speaker B:They've got layers and levels and secrets and depths.
Speaker B:Basically, your psych is a labyrinth, which is true.
Speaker B:His internal processes are, are very, like a very interest.
Speaker B:Interesting aspect of him where you kind of just want to know what's going on in there.
Speaker B:Because obviously, because like we said previously, that head is not screwed on correctly.
Speaker B:I feel like I, I, I sat.
Speaker B:I feel like I'm, I, I'm bashing him a little bit, and I'm not.
Speaker B:This is, this is said with all the love that I have because I.
Speaker A:Know we love him so much.
Speaker C:This is all from love.
Speaker B:This given, like, a very deep understanding of, like, where this man is coming from.
Speaker A:In case this is your very first episode of this podcast, which, interesting choice isn't made apparent by the fact that we're spending hours talking about the astrology of these two characters and the name of our podcast.
Speaker A:We are very pro positive, these characters.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's no bashing.
Speaker D:I support men's rights and wrongs.
Speaker A:Especially Eddie.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, because he's done a lot of rocks.
Speaker A:My man ended up sticking mine.
Speaker D:For real?
Speaker B:God, no.
Speaker B:For real.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, I have to, I have to bring, I have to bring in the pitchforks if someone says anything bad about Eddie.
Speaker B:Because there are reasons.
Speaker B:There are reasons.
Speaker B:You just have to like, go in there and peel back all of those layers to find the actual reason why he does and acts the way that he does.
Speaker C:You have to dig for them.
Speaker D:Yeah, preferably.
Speaker C:No, no, because, like, if, if you're looking at, like, his psyche, it just.
Speaker B:It just came out.
Speaker B:I know, I understand.
Speaker B:No, you can't help yourself.
Speaker C:Everything about this man, it's just.
Speaker D:It'S.
Speaker C:Just because you have to, you have to know what I was, how do I bring this around to what I was trying to say?
Speaker B:I was talking about layers.
Speaker C:Yes, thank you.
Speaker C:And if we're looking at, like, his psyche as a labyrinth in the way of, like, how he represses so much, like, there are, there are dead ends that he's made dead ends because he doesn't want to walk through, and so he will just, like, turn right around and ignore Them, repress them down, conceal.
Speaker C:Don't feel.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:He gets lost in his own labyrinth and he's repressed things for.
Speaker C:For so long, or he's repressed them so deeply that it doesn't even, like, register in his consciousness anymore.
Speaker C:And that's just, like, what he thinks he is.
Speaker C:But he's wrong.
Speaker B:He is wrong.
Speaker C:He's wrong.
Speaker B:He is wrong.
Speaker B:And that's the thing you also need as a Scorpio, and I guess a Scorpio moon, especially.
Speaker B:You also need someone to bring you out of that repression, especially when Buck does with leading questions and trying to get him to, hey, his looks.
Speaker B:You need to change this thing about yourself immediately.
Speaker B:Or you need to stop doing this thing that you're doing, which is, like, very destructive.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's the light.
Speaker C:Or like the.
Speaker C:The lighthouse.
Speaker C:Yeah, you could say in.
Speaker C:In the storm.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I was trying to make it like something related to maze.
Speaker C:To what?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Like a maze.
Speaker C:Like a labyrinth.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, I was gonna say he's the light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker B:Yeah, perfect.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:God, they're a repression, though.
Speaker B:I understand that on a deep level.
Speaker A:It's not even that he made dead ends in the labyrinth.
Speaker A:It's that he hung up signs there that say do not enter, and he just goes, yeah, okay.
Speaker A:Doesn't question it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We don't have time to unpack any of that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Meanwhile, going through those pathways are the.
Speaker C:The way out of the labyrinth.
Speaker C:But he's just gonna.
Speaker B:If he doesn't keep going.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:If he doesn't crash through some of those, he's just going to be wandering that maze indefinitely.
Speaker D:Yeah, completely.
Speaker B:He needs some help.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I think, like, as a Scorpio, it's very appreciative when someone does try to.
Speaker B:When someone does try to reach out and, you know, in any way.
Speaker B:Even though.
Speaker B:Even though you don't want.
Speaker B:So like, as a Scorpio, you don't want someone to see and read all of your emotions because, like, there is this, like, you know, danger.
Speaker B:It's like a danger sign to you.
Speaker B:It's like a red flag.
Speaker A:You don't.
Speaker B:Like, you don't.
Speaker B:Because it could be used against you.
Speaker B:And that's as.
Speaker C:As ammunition.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:As ammunition.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:Same.
Speaker A:Same defense mechanism.
Speaker A:Different reason than cancer.
Speaker C:I had.
Speaker C:I had one more thing about the labyrinth or the maze.
Speaker C:If he continues to repress and not, like, go through those false dead ends and he's just, like, wandering the labyrinth, that would make him the Minotaur.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And what is the.
Speaker C:The top half of the Minotaur is a bull, which is Taurus.
Speaker B:Well, that's this.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker B:You guys did a good job of.
Speaker D:Trying to say.
Speaker A:All right, we're out of the labyrinth.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:I just had to.
Speaker C:That was the last thing.
Speaker C:That's all.
Speaker A:Let me say my cancer thing that I finally remembered.
Speaker A:That's like, one sentence.
Speaker A:And then we can get into his personality traits, because I'm sure it'll make content, like, sense in the context of whatever the fuck I was saying.
Speaker A:I was just gonna say cancers.
Speaker A:It was going along with the martyr complex.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Willing to martyr yourself at any minor inconvenience that someone else might have around you.
Speaker A:Then the.
Speaker A:The, like, mirror of that is that we also would rather die than ask for help, like, in any way, shape, or form.
Speaker A:So I think that's also a huge problem that Buck suffers from, is that he always.
Speaker A:He tends to, you know, literally throw himself in the fire or metaphorical ones.
Speaker A:And, you know, when he needs someone to return the favor, he's never going to, A, let anyone know if he can help it, and B, ask for help, even if he desperately needs it.
Speaker A:Even if he's drowning.
Speaker A:Like, when he is during the lawsuit, he doesn't ask for help.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker C:He needs a life raft, which would also help them in the tsunami.
Speaker A:Oh, God, Rachel.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker A:It's my bad for putting labyrinth in there.
Speaker C:You give me metaphor, I run with it.
Speaker A:You give me metaphor.
Speaker A:I give you metaphor.
Speaker C:Yeah, just gonna say, and we know who is the Nick Miller, and we know who is the Schmidt in this scenario.
Speaker C:So that's all I was gonna say.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And just.
Speaker B:Just to finish up with, like, the Pluto.
Speaker B:So Pluto, you know, Scorpion Pluto, have a strong.
Speaker B:Strive to control everything.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Ah, control freaks.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:And yeah, as we know, Eddie is a.
Speaker B:Is a bit of a control freak.
Speaker B:He's also, I think, added, you know, adding in that stubbornness from being a Taurus and all of that.
Speaker B:Like, you know, like, the whole zeroing in on finding a mom for Christopher.
Speaker D:Yeah, that.
Speaker B:I mean, I feel like that's all very self explanatory, honestly.
Speaker B:But, like, just to point that out, that's.
Speaker B:That's the Pluto Scorpio controlling that.
Speaker B:And then the other thing is.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker B:I mean, I personally have, like, a strong intuition.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I guess I should say he should also.
Speaker B:I just think it's a little bit broken sometimes, but they're also.
Speaker C:I'm broken.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker B:That's how many is that Rachel?
Speaker C:Good night.
Speaker D:She's going.
Speaker A:Time out.
Speaker A:I think it's broken for himself.
Speaker A:Like it's.
Speaker A:It's good for like outward things, but then inward.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:A lot of times he doesn't trust his own like inner compass.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I mean to, I guess tie it to the broken thing.
Speaker B:You know, his.
Speaker B:He feels things very strongly, intensely.
Speaker B:And he's very hypersensitive.
Speaker B:I would say.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Personality traits.
Speaker B:I feel like I already mentioned them all.
Speaker B:But they are driven.
Speaker B:Driven by Scorpios, are driven by ambition.
Speaker B:They are also affectionate and loyal.
Speaker B:They're also passionate, intense, magnetic and powerful.
Speaker B:Which I guess I already delve into all of that because.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, he's.
Speaker B:He's a lot.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:You know, too much.
Speaker C:Never.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:But you know, in the best way to.
Speaker B:Especially.
Speaker B:This is just character analysis.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, I don't even know the metaphor for it, but I'm going to say character analysis cake right now.
Speaker B:Like this is great for all of us.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:Him and Buck both think that they're too much.
Speaker A:Probably because of their moon signs.
Speaker B:They're also resourceful, brave, stubborn.
Speaker B:They're also true friend.
Speaker B:They're jealous, obsessive, suspicious, anxious, vengeful, closed off, petty.
Speaker B:We already talked about that.
Speaker B:Intuitive good at reading people and understanding their motives.
Speaker B:They're known for their passion and mystery and normally succeed in whatever they put their minds to.
Speaker B:Scorpios are in it for the long haul.
Speaker B:Once they commit, they will do whatever it takes to make the relationship work.
Speaker B:Which is, you know, a strength and a curse can stay in relationships longer than they should, which is.
Speaker C:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:I mean the whole Marisol thing.
Speaker C:Among others.
Speaker B:Among Anna Shannon.
Speaker B:Actually, all of them.
Speaker D:Literally all of them.
Speaker C:There is not one.
Speaker A:Arsenal is the most embarrassing because he asked that woman to move in, then avoided her for days, asked her to move out, but like, wanted to keep dating.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Oh my God.
Speaker C:He's in the maze.
Speaker B:He's got mood swings, insecurities, low self worth turned vin.
Speaker C:Turn.
Speaker B:Vindictive and spiteful when hurt or betrayed.
Speaker B:We've seen that so many times.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Regarding Bobby, he's got the lone wolf syndrome, which is common.
Speaker B:He goes into isolation and is.
Speaker B:He can become extremely private.
Speaker B:Primary drives are loyal loyalty, friendship and a burning inner desire to create soulmate.
Speaker B:Soulmate bonds and connections.
Speaker B:They have a magnetic personality that draws others to them, yet they are selective about who they let into their inner circle.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Beyonce and Chris Evans are also Scorpio moons.
Speaker B:I was also thinking about that last dinner that he had with Shannon.
Speaker B:I think I was talking about previously, the.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, the way, how, like.
Speaker B:Like I said, like, you don't want to show your emotions to everyone.
Speaker B:I know she was asking him, hey, what are we?
Speaker B:What are we?
Speaker B:What are we?
Speaker B:And, like, he didn't want to look into that.
Speaker B:That, you know, that's being.
Speaker C:That's a whole other can of worms.
Speaker C:That's a.
Speaker B:That's a whole other.
Speaker B:Like, there's too many words to describe that, aside from that whole repression.
Speaker B:But, like.
Speaker B:But when he finally was like, okay, I'm going to, you know, get back.
Speaker B:I want to.
Speaker B:I want to, you know, get back with her and all of that, and she pulls out, hey, I want a divorce.
Speaker B:Of course, I will shut that down, too, and repress that, too, like that.
Speaker B:And, like, hold on to that grudge in your head, which is kind of.
Speaker A:Funny because, like, you're.
Speaker B:You basically have a grudge with a dead woman.
Speaker B:So I think that sells a lot.
Speaker A:It's, like, simultaneously, like, he has a grudge against her, but has also repressed that and, like, put her on this weird.
Speaker A:Like, this man's full of contradictions.
Speaker A:So many contradictions.
Speaker A:I thought you were gonna come back to the signs thing, because I had that thought earlier but didn't want to interrupt you, which is that he said he was waiting for a sign, right, to figure out, like, what to do about the Shannon thing.
Speaker A:And then she was pregnant, so he was like, that's my sign.
Speaker A:So then he goes to dinner with her and gives her this, like, the worst.
Speaker C:Oh, the.
Speaker C:The life is like a box of chocolates, except it's a molten vat of chocolate.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:And it's warm, but it drags you down.
Speaker C:Did he hear the words coming out of his mouth?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker D:No, he did not.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so he.
Speaker A:He did all that, and then she slapped him with a.
Speaker A:I think we should get divorced, and I'm leaving again.
Speaker A:Even if it wasn't, like, leaving them, but it was still leaving him.
Speaker A:It was still, like, a rejection of him, even though he couldn't even literally figure out if he wanted to be with her until another baby was there.
Speaker A:And then there was the responsibility of.
Speaker C:It all, because he runs towards things that are difficult.
Speaker A:But it's the fact that he used to, very obviously, from that arc, believe in looking for signs.
Speaker A:And then the last time he did that, it ended up with her dying.
Speaker A:So now he's just like, yeah, Signs aren't things.
Speaker C:No signs.
Speaker C:Universe, no scream.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think I covered it.
Speaker D:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker C:Earth risings.
Speaker C:I'll take this one.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I can't really speak personally from a personal place for the Capricorn rising, but I'm sure we'll come up with something.
Speaker C:So Capricorn is an Earth sign.
Speaker C:It's rooted and grounded in their approach to life.
Speaker C:Kind of like Taurus.
Speaker C:We'll see some similarities with that since they are both Earth signs.
Speaker C:It's that work hard, play harder mentality.
Speaker C:Capricorn is, however, ruled by Saturn, and Saturn represents obstacles, limitations, discipline, responsibility, duty, and authenticity.
Speaker C:Oh, that's interesting.
Speaker C:And I know there's something like a Saturn return, which is usually between ages of like 27 and 29, where once Saturn has kind of returned to that place in your birth chart because it takes what, like 27, 29 years to orbit around the sun.
Speaker C:So after that time, it's in the same place.
Speaker C:Things are supposed to come a little easier towards you.
Speaker C:I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with the full development of your frontal lobe at age, like 25 to 30.
Speaker C:But, you know, science and astrology can co.
Speaker C:Mingle and intermix.
Speaker C:So that idea about Saturn ruling, responsibility and duty and authenticity, something that I think Eddie has always strived for, but kind of with authenticity, maybe missed the mark because he's had to.
Speaker C:He's been kind of molded into a particular box for so much of his life.
Speaker C:With being ruled by Saturn, a Capricorn can take a tenacious and steadfast approach to every obstacle, which means you can pretty much handle anything.
Speaker C:And I think that is pretty exemplary in Eddie when he, you know, very torrent, like, pulls through.
Speaker C:What have we been saying?
Speaker C:Like, one of his comfort zones is something that has an obstacle, you know, a lot of his professional life, you know, being in the military and firefighting, he can pretty much handle anything.
Speaker C:Like, everything else is kind of should be a cakewalk to him, but it's this that's the cakewalk.
Speaker D:Also, like, the whole idea about Saturn being a limitation and Capricorn being, like, about limitations.
Speaker D:I mean, and Capricorn being his rising, rising being the how you present yourself.
Speaker D:I feel like there is a aspect to you being careful about what you show and also limiting how you indulge in other things.
Speaker D:So how you present yourself to be indulgent, I feel like Eddie is like, notoriously like, he pulls away, he.
Speaker D:He limits himself, he gives himself a cap, and that's definitely like a Capricorn quality I think they're very rigid and particular in what they show.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:He deprives himself of joy, maybe.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker A:Just decided, I wanted water.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:And that's also like.
Speaker C:Like that blockage to maybe his.
Speaker C:His most authentic self.
Speaker C:So personality traits that are usually present in Capricorns.
Speaker C:They are ambitious.
Speaker C:We see.
Speaker C:Practical, again, resilient.
Speaker C:Capricorn risings, in particular, are known for their strategic approach to life.
Speaker C:And they are calm under pressure and make calculated decisions.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I can't expand on that.
Speaker B:That's just like.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:Look at him.
Speaker A:It's points to all of him.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's all there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, points to all of him at work.
Speaker A:That points to all of him making first impressions on people, and that really.
Speaker C:Feeds into that competency that we see, especially on first impressions.
Speaker C:And, like, strategic.
Speaker C:So he is.
Speaker C:He is more like head centered.
Speaker C:And then a couple of reads about Capricorn.
Speaker C:Capricorn energy is all about being able to stick around for a long time, not just a good time.
Speaker D:They want the lasting impact.
Speaker D:They want the.
Speaker C:Oh, no.
Speaker D:They want the image that they last a long time.
Speaker A:So you could say maybe not someone's first, but their last.
Speaker D:Ooh, good one.
Speaker C:Not when they're packing up house to move to El Paso.
Speaker C:It's all part of the plan.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker C:This is the long game.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:My nearest long game.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker C:So the.
Speaker C:So the Capricorn, like, the sign, it's a.
Speaker C:Is it a sea?
Speaker C:It's a goat, but it.
Speaker C:Why does this say sea?
Speaker C:Goat?
Speaker C:Capricorn is a goat, right?
Speaker D:It says.
Speaker A:This is a direct quote from something, as you will notice from the quotes.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker C:Because it has, like, the tail.
Speaker B:Does it?
Speaker C:I thought it was just a goat.
Speaker D:Oh, that's interesting, actually.
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker D:Okay, wait, I'm reading this.
Speaker D:The top half, the goat represents the head.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Thought and thinking.
Speaker D:The bottom half, the fish, represents the spiritual, which balances out the head.
Speaker C:Ooh.
Speaker C:Which is so interesting, given that we gave him two earth signs and a water sign and made that comparison to a minotaur, which is also another chimera, which is half bull, half man.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I'll continue reading this.
Speaker D:One of the greatest lessons for Capricorn is to not get too stuck in their heads and rush to the top of the mountain.
Speaker D:There's a lot more to life than success, and they will feel most fulfilled when they remember to connect to their other, more sensual, mystical side.
Speaker D:So I think this kind of relates to Eddie and what he.
Speaker D:His, like Rigid beliefs and what he needs to be.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And connecting with that quote unquote spiritual side.
Speaker D:It's not necessarily one to one on spirituality.
Speaker D:It's just like what is most fulfilling to him.
Speaker D:It's just like what gives him the most joy, for example.
Speaker D:And that's just like discovering himself, finding out who he is.
Speaker D:Aside from being a father, being a firefighter, a soldier, a son, etc.
Speaker C:It's the authenticity of his individuality.
Speaker C:This is so interesting.
Speaker D:It is very interesting.
Speaker A:Do you want to read the sea goat thing?
Speaker A:Now that we have established that it's a sea goat?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:So apparently the sea goats, which are the symbol of Capricorn, they tend to have resting bitch face.
Speaker C:But don't worry, they're not actually mad at you.
Speaker C:Probably.
Speaker B:That rusting face is so real though.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know what else to have about Capricorn that we also didn't kind of talk about for Taurus as well.
Speaker C:Because it's like very similar.
Speaker C:It's just like so.
Speaker A:Or like dense because of layers.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do we want to run through these sun moon combo things?
Speaker C:So this is looking at Buck and Eddie as buddy.
Speaker C:Like kind of how each of their signs are compatible with the other.
Speaker C:Like their sun signs, moon signs and rising signs compatible with the other one.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:So Taurus and Libra share a good overall compatibility.
Speaker A:They both value harmony and stability in their lives.
Speaker A:And they're both ruled by Venus, the planet of love and beauty, which gives them a shared appreciation of art and culture and romance.
Speaker A:But if you want to think more specific about it, you can think really valuing love, like especially specifically romantic love, finding a partner and could face challenges due to their different approaches to decision making and conflict resolution.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:And we have seen that, yes, this is also to do with like their attachment styles too.
Speaker A:But the biggest one is Obviously they're like 24 hour divorce, same as their 24 hour enemies to friends.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Didn't last very, very long.
Speaker A:No, they can't.
Speaker A:They're like physically incapable of staying mad at each other.
Speaker C:It's kind of disgusting.
Speaker D:I feel like they relate too much to each other is the problem.
Speaker D:And that's applicable in this sun combo, but also their moon combo, they just have Taurus and Libra, both ruled by Venus, similar values.
Speaker D:And then you have the moon combo, both water signs.
Speaker D:Like, I feel like they just love in a very similar way.
Speaker D:They, they have the same kinds of interests, values, priorities.
Speaker A:They want the same.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's just the way that they internalize and express Emotions, that's different, really, ultimately.
Speaker D:And how they handle situations.
Speaker D:I mean, when we were talking about Bug being a Libra and Addie being a Taurus, I mean, like, there are similarities.
Speaker D:Like the whole servicing, prioritizing people around you over yourself, prioritizing what you believe is right.
Speaker D:And for Libra, that's because of morals.
Speaker D:With Taurus, that's because a sense of duty and tradition.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:And what else?
Speaker D:I feel like both of them are people who crave that kind of stability and security.
Speaker D:And that is exemplified in Libra and Tauren qualities.
Speaker D:And I feel like once again, just being ruled by Venus.
Speaker D:They're true lovers.
Speaker D:They crave that romance.
Speaker D:They want that love.
Speaker D:They let that steer their decisions.
Speaker C:A lot of the time they want to find that completion in their life, and that is through a romantic partner.
Speaker C:How they go about finding those are different, but the.
Speaker C:The end goal is pretty similar.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:The emotional connection between Taurus and Libra is deep and profound.
Speaker A:Triggered both signs have a strong need for security and stability.
Speaker A:And they find this in each other and are able to provide the emotional support and understanding that the other needs.
Speaker A:I think it's also like a little poetic that like, they're both people who take care of everyone but themselves.
Speaker A:So, like they find this perfect match in each other so that they finally have someone who will take care of the other the way they should be taking care of themselves, the way they want and the way they need.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:I feel like Eddie, like his entire life has revolved around taking care of Christopher, but also even before that, it was him being the eldest in the family, taking care of his siblings.
Speaker D:I feel like with Buck, in every single relationship, it's him being.
Speaker D:Molding himself to them and what they need.
Speaker D:And when you bring them together with each other, you have them both being taken care of and also taking care of the other because that's what they're most naturally inclined to do.
Speaker D:It's just like literally their natural instinct, which is how you get that kind of compatibility and complementing each other.
Speaker D:And that's how they fulfill.
Speaker D:They end up most fulfilled because they.
Speaker D:They're not going to push away the other person because that's like the person that they trust to take care of them, but also they're being trusted to be taken care of as well.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's like no one would be able to take care of them the way I think they would want to be taken care of, which is how they actively take care of other people except another person who only takes care of Other people.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:It's like matching the level of care.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:If that makes sense.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's getting those perfect.
Speaker A:Getting back how much?
Speaker A:Not that it's like, you know, tit for tat, but it's like.
Speaker A:Like it's craving getting back how much you give.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:That level of understanding.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is part of why they're.
Speaker C:They have such equal partnerships.
Speaker C:Because there's an equal give and take there.
Speaker C:That, like, quiet comfort that they find in each other is that equal give and take as well, like emotionally.
Speaker C:Because the other one, like when the other one needs to talk, the other.
Speaker C:The other listens and vice versa.
Speaker C:It's just everything is always like on the same page.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker C:It's that mirror that Buck so desperately needs to look at in.
Speaker C:In the right way.
Speaker C:But they.
Speaker C:They're both mirroring each other.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which fills in the gaps of what they, I hate to say, like, need the most.
Speaker C:Not because, like.
Speaker C:Not to say that you need someone else to be like a whole person, but.
Speaker C:But, you know.
Speaker C:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:100%.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:No, but there's things that they really need, even if it's not in a romantic relationship, that they aren't getting from other relationships that they only get from each other.
Speaker A:They have different issues in relationships.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But I think it's not only like, finding that, like, soulmate, like, profound bond that they're craving.
Speaker A:It's finding something that you can feel safe and secure.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You don't have to feel anxious or avoidant or that you can't be yourself or.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Knowing that you can show your ugliest side, you know, and up, and that.
Speaker C:They'Ll still be there, you know, when.
Speaker C:When someone is at their lowest.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're at the worst.
Speaker C:It's like it's matching the other's level.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Always without even thinking this eggs into their moon signs.
Speaker D:Because I feel like once again with the Scorpio moon, you're being protective of your emotions.
Speaker D:I feel like a part of that is that fear of vulnerability and being afraid of being misunderstood and not cancer being validated.
Speaker D:And the exact same.
Speaker D:Exactly the exact same thing applies to cancer.
Speaker D:And I feel like in a way, there's that mirror.
Speaker D:They see themselves in each other.
Speaker D:There's a mutual understanding of that level of emotions and vulnerability.
Speaker D:They're both very sensitive.
Speaker D:They're both very emotional.
Speaker D:You have, it says here, similar emotional language.
Speaker D:And that's very true.
Speaker D:I feel like they.
Speaker D:When you See, buddy interacting with each other.
Speaker D:They have a very specific way of speaking with each other.
Speaker D:It's not necessarily.
Speaker D:They don't like start giving speeches to each other unless it's a very specific circumstance.
Speaker D:But they know how to cut to the core immediately.
Speaker D:They know how to get to the important bits, the parts that matter.
Speaker A:There's so much that gets said without them saying anything.
Speaker A:And I think this is the moon combo for sure.
Speaker D:All about the like inner self, the intuitive side, your intuition towards another person.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like these two specific signs, you know, water signs in general.
Speaker A:But these two specifically too have like crazy intuition, empathy to the point of being psychic slash empaths.
Speaker C:Like, which is why they're so often able to communicate without saying a word.
Speaker C:And, and that's one of the reasons why they can so easily kind of like fall back on that non verbal communication, that non verbal communication.
Speaker C:But that quiet comfort as well.
Speaker C:Because they are so in tune with what the other is feeling that they don't even have to verbalize it often.
Speaker C:And they can just like be what the other needs without having to ask for it.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker C:They make me crazy.
Speaker A:So this is where I think I said this.
Speaker A:Maybe just to Rachel, I said it to someone.
Speaker A:Maybe it was when we had our.
Speaker A:Our little pow wow, the four of us.
Speaker A:This is where the freak for freak is happening.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is where the completely obsessed with each other, possessive of each other in a way that just works and is not toxic because it's what the other ones meets.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Again, it's that matching level, right?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:This is where it's at because it's like they want that soul deep connection, understanding.
Speaker A:Like it's like when people write the fix where they're like this isn't close enough.
Speaker A:Like I need to be inside their scanner.
Speaker A:Basically.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean it's like that's what this moon sign combo is completely.
Speaker A:It's like intense.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:They need to like inhabit each other's like rib cages.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:In a non icky way.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like soul to soul.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, this is absolutely where freak for freak is emanating from.
Speaker C:And it helps that it is so mutual.
Speaker C:Just like everything else about their moons, it's just so reciprocal.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Effortlessly.
Speaker D:And also they're both very like Cancer and Scorpio.
Speaker D:They're both very loyal, very devoted, very committed to each other.
Speaker D:Once there is a commitment made, it's.
Speaker C:Not going to be an Act 3 breakup for them.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:They better not be.
Speaker D:There won't Be I'm manifesting none.
Speaker A:It would make no sense because even if one of them was trying to pull some weird self sacrificial, like, the other one would just handcuff themselves.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:To the other one.
Speaker C:We've already seen them have a breakup.
Speaker C:It lasted 48 hours.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What's gonna happen after they're playing tonsil hockey?
Speaker A:Absolutely not, buddy.
Speaker D:Can't not mesh.
Speaker D:Like, I feel like.
Speaker D:Yeah, their first meeting lasted 24 hours.
Speaker D:Their first fight lasted 24 hours.
Speaker D:Like, I just don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:They are, like, incapable of.
Speaker C:Well, Buck doesn't really hold grudges, but we know Eddie can, but he's so incapable of.
Speaker C:Can't do it with holding that with.
Speaker C:With Buck.
Speaker C:So it's just like, well, can't stay mad at you.
Speaker C:So looking at their risings, which again, for Buck is Leo, for Eddie is Capricorn.
Speaker C:So Capricorn risings can also thrive with water signs who bring emotional depth and balance to their practicality.
Speaker C:And then Leo, since it's a rising, the opposite end of the chart would be Cancer.
Speaker C:So, like sun and moon being the opposites, and Cancer is ruled by the moon.
Speaker C:So with that being the descendant in someone with a Leo rising's birth chart, that symbolizes serious relationships, and they tend to attract those who are nurturing and emotional in order to balance out their practical and reliable nature.
Speaker D:So I just find it interesting how you guys, like, reverse engineered their birth times.
Speaker D:And we were kind of just like, oh, this fits.
Speaker D:And then we plug it into the Pattern, which.
Speaker D:The Pattern is an app that kind of analyzes you as a person, goes deep into, like, childhood and stuff sometimes, and then also analyzes your partner, and then at the same time how you and your partner interact with each other.
Speaker D:And it was just so detailed.
Speaker D:And it blew our minds, actually.
Speaker D:And it was just crazy because they're fictional characters.
Speaker D:But the things that the Pattern was like giving us were so specific and on the nose to their characterization in canon and how they act with each other that it was just like, whoa, what the fuck?
Speaker D:So we'll just like, read some of the highlights of the pattern, and we'll start with Buck's pattern.
Speaker D:It says here you could be addicted to giving.
Speaker D:You may feel like you can't escape your role of holding things together, become exhausted, drained, or depressed.
Speaker D:It's like you're never providing enough.
Speaker D:You can always do more in response.
Speaker D:You could become controlling or smothering, expecting a certain outcome of your love and radom.
Speaker C:I mean, like, asking everybody to move in.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:And Tommy, like, expecting a certain outcome.
Speaker C:I wouldn't exactly say it's smothering, like, asking them to move in, but like, when you haven't discussed that before and it's just kind of like thrown at you, like, move in with me.
Speaker A:And he makes.
Speaker A:He like gaslights himself into thinking that it's because he's like, why should we be together?
Speaker A:Like, be apart when we could be together.
Speaker A:But it's literally just him sensing that something There's.
Speaker A:He's sensing a disturbance in the force.
Speaker D:And he's like, so he smothers as his beloved smothers.
Speaker D:And he.
Speaker C:He like clings.
Speaker A:He holds on so tightly because he's.
Speaker D:Terrified of being left moving forward.
Speaker D:It says when you're struggling, your self esteem is tied to what others think.
Speaker D:You might be a people pleaser.
Speaker D:Do things out of guilt because you don't like confrontation.
Speaker D:You may have codependent relationships.
Speaker D:Struggle finding somebody who really gets you.
Speaker D:You feel like you're not good enough.
Speaker D:Essentially.
Speaker D:You could lack a strong sense of self and be unable to ask for what you want.
Speaker D:It's just so Buck.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, I know we've read it before, but like a while ago.
Speaker C:Yeah, this is our reading.
Speaker C:Like, just general how I think all of us.
Speaker D:Yeah, it definitely is.
Speaker D:Also says when you're struggling, it feels like you're irrationally prevented from finding someone who really gets you.
Speaker D:Instead of the traditional relationship, you attract complex or extreme situations.
Speaker D:Your partners may either be unkind or emotionally unavailable.
Speaker D:You could be prone to codependency.
Speaker A:Calling him out again.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:Then here.
Speaker D:Your desire to merge with a partner may cause you to become lost in other people.
Speaker D:At times you may be a people pleaser or find that you have a hard time saying no.
Speaker C:What have we said about getting lost in other people by.
Speaker D:Yep, Yep.
Speaker C:Buck's not holding a mirror up for himself.
Speaker C:He's holding it up for someone else and trying to be that.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker D:You may have been with partners who can be insensitive, lacking empathy and interest in your own needs.
Speaker C:Abby.
Speaker D:They might even be ruthless and dominate you through intimidation.
Speaker A:That's all of them.
Speaker A:Except for.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Who only gets a pass because she wasn't there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And left when she realized it wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker D:You immerse yourself in work more than most people.
Speaker D:You won't be truly happy for doing something for status or to please others.
Speaker D:Your job should feel good in your body and engage your senses.
Speaker B:This app is scary.
Speaker C:What could engage his senses more than Being a firefighter and having to, like, rely on his physical strength, but also, like, his intellectual acuity.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And, like, seeing, hearing, being, like, super aware of his surroundings.
Speaker D:This is also funny.
Speaker D:You may feel like you have no control over your own security.
Speaker D:Like, there's no safe space or home for you.
Speaker D:Growing up, you may have experienced an overwhelming event, simply something that felt bad.
Speaker D:Today, you may rebel against the conventional ideas of home.
Speaker D:For you, it probably isn't one specific place.
Speaker D:It's wherever you feel free.
Speaker D:Like, how is this so on the nose?
Speaker D:It literally blows my mind.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:I know we've read this before.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker D:It's still blowing my mind.
Speaker C:I haven't revisited it since.
Speaker C:And this was in November.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, like, I mean, and having just, like, talked about all of this at length is.
Speaker C:It's kind of scary.
Speaker C:Like, this is.
Speaker C: g confirmation bias hindsight: Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:It is what we said.
Speaker A:Well, it's what we said.
Speaker A:It's the reading, like, the literal readings of the astrology, but then, like, our, like, interpretation of character analysis and interpretation.
Speaker D:The thing that blows my mind is that I don't think these things are applicable to Eddie.
Speaker C:So it's not like it's that general.
Speaker A:That it could be.
Speaker C:Like, it could be anybody.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker D:It's specific.
Speaker D:And also, I feel like there's also the aspect of Bug just being not a real person.
Speaker D:Like, how is this so accurate?
Speaker D:Like, after I read this, I was like, are we sure that Bug isn't a real person?
Speaker D:Because I'm getting scared right now.
Speaker C:If we ever come across someone in real life who is a Libra, Sun, Cancer, Moon, Leo Rising, we're going to know all about them.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:For real.
Speaker D:It says here something's been holding you back.
Speaker D:You'll be forced to face it right now.
Speaker D:If you've been unable to come to terms with who you truly are.
Speaker D:This could be a great moment of uncertainty.
Speaker D:It's a.
Speaker D:Also a time of expansion in your relationships.
Speaker D:You could meet someone new, move in together.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:However, if you struggled with intimacy, that, too, will need to be addressed right now.
Speaker D:In any case, you'll confront whatever issues are holding you back from discovering happiness.
Speaker D:Like, what?
Speaker C:That is scary.
Speaker C:Like, something's been holding you back because.
Speaker D:The other stuff was like, oh, this is what's been happening with you.
Speaker D:And then this is like, what's going on with you right now?
Speaker D:And that is literally what is going on with him right now.
Speaker C:Again, fictional With Pattern, the app, it's like, kind of surrounding the current time period.
Speaker C:So it's like this thing is transiting for this amount of time sort of thing.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker C:So, like, it's wild, too, that this is happening at the time of, like, the episodes and the arc that we're seeing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because this is like an more of an extended period of time.
Speaker C:It's like a couple months or.
Speaker C:Or year or something at a time.
Speaker C:So, like, it holds true for, like, what we'll get into in the.
Speaker C:In 8B.
Speaker D:Also, the next one, it's.
Speaker D:It could seem like your romantic life is taking off.
Speaker D:You're being awakened both within yourself and to people you're attracted to.
Speaker D:Like, what?
Speaker D:What?
Speaker C:Not the awakening.
Speaker C:Not the sexual awakening.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:In the horoscop.
Speaker D:And the last one is, like, your relationship shifts happening right now.
Speaker D:And it says the pattern said you're gay.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:It says you could meet someone in an unconventional way.
Speaker D:Go through a breakup.
Speaker D:Maybe a loved one's behavior changes.
Speaker D:Like, I just don't know.
Speaker D:There's just so much happening here.
Speaker A:Does Tim Minier run the Pattern?
Speaker D:You know what?
Speaker D:I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker D:And then he just plugs it in the.
Speaker A:Out of these.
Speaker A:These chicks.
Speaker C:No, I think.
Speaker C:I think that could be something that.
Speaker C:That he's doing.
Speaker C:It's like, ah, yes.
Speaker C:This says they will be experiencing, like, relationship issues, so we're going to do this.
Speaker A:That actually is funny because I was like.
Speaker A:Like, is he literally running the pattern.
Speaker D:Of the app and saw that we.
Speaker A:Were trying to do this?
Speaker A:But I like your way, too.
Speaker C:I think he's using it as a writing tool.
Speaker D:I think so, too.
Speaker A:The actors live, so this would be less crazy.
Speaker D:I was Tim mining.
Speaker D:I would use it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:That would involve him coming up with birthdays.
Speaker D:That's true.
Speaker D:That's true.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:He may have an idea and just doesn't tell anybody because he keeps that secret.
Speaker C:So nobody else knows his secret.
Speaker C:Which is looking at the pattern.
Speaker D:We've cracked it.
Speaker A:You're gonna start thinking that we're insiders, but no, we're just using the pattern.
Speaker C:Okay, on the same wavelength, here's Eddie's.
Speaker D:This is where it starts getting crazy.
Speaker D:I know it's already crazy, but it's gonna get crazy.
Speaker C:Cause it's Eddie.
Speaker C:Yeah, because it's Eddie.
Speaker D:When he's struggling, he can be reckless and not know his limits.
Speaker D:He could come across as rebellious, angry.
Speaker D:He could totally shut down.
Speaker D:To others, he may appear passive or stoic, but Inside, his frustration is raging.
Speaker D:He may stifle his natural intensity and become depressed.
Speaker D:Or may lead a secret life.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Are you kidding me?
Speaker D:It says that word for word.
Speaker C:The pattern horoscope said vertigo.
Speaker A:Arc.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like, why does it say that?
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Tim Menier uses this app.
Speaker D:I'm convinced.
Speaker D:Okay, here's where it gets even crazier.
Speaker D:It hasn't been easy for Eddie as a child, he may have felt pressure to prove himself.
Speaker D:No matter how much he achieved, it didn't seem like enough.
Speaker D:As an adult, he may feel blocked from reaching his full potential.
Speaker D:Eddie's self critical and can feel judged by other people.
Speaker D:Though he's more driven than most, it's important that he's working hard for something he enjoys.
Speaker D:The stuff of childhood is what gets me.
Speaker D:Like, how do you know that?
Speaker C:And he's a functional character.
Speaker C:This is utilizing the entire chart compilation.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Including the birth.
Speaker A:The birth time.
Speaker D:And at times, Eddie may feel isolated, like there's something different about him.
Speaker A:Gay.
Speaker A:You're gay.
Speaker D:He may have had one or more wounding experiences.
Speaker D:Shannon, like, lost her betrayal.
Speaker D:Shannon getting shot.
Speaker A:He said wounding experiences.
Speaker A:Sorry, I'm late to the joke.
Speaker A:Continue.
Speaker D:In response, he may try to push his feelings away or feel angry because life seems so unfair.
Speaker D:Vidark.
Speaker D:Eddie might be tempted to see himself as a victim, but that's not the truth.
Speaker D:His struggles may be the source of his greatest strength.
Speaker D:Even a gift he possesses.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:This process ultimately helps him find compassion for himself.
Speaker D:Man.
Speaker C:That's giving the confrontation between him and Kim.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Cosplaying as Shannon.
Speaker D:Like therapy almost.
Speaker C:That was roleplay.
Speaker C:Exposure therapy.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:Despite his wish to nurture others, he might not end up in a traditional caretaking role.
Speaker D:Or he could be forced to give it up.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker D:Eddie might dedicate his caretaking to unusual people or circumstances.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker D:Why did you say that?
Speaker C:What?
Speaker C:That's so weirdly specific.
Speaker D:How do you even know that he has a child, is my question.
Speaker D:Who requires specific, like, unusual circumstances.
Speaker D:Giving up his caretaking roles.
Speaker D:This is like him with his parents.
Speaker D:And also like, on.
Speaker A:Because he did willingly give it up.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:And also, like, I mean, like, the unusual situations could also mean, like, buck.
Speaker D:Like, this is not on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Not a usual situation for having, like a co parent.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker D:Here's the next one.
Speaker D:Eddie may repress how he.
Speaker D:How different and weird he feels inside.
Speaker D:Life may feel out of control because his circumstances seem to change all the time.
Speaker C:It really is saying you're gay.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just over and over.
Speaker A:It's like, you won't be.
Speaker A:Literally, the universe is screaming.
Speaker A:You refuse to listen.
Speaker A:So how many times can we scream, you're gay?
Speaker C:Huh?
Speaker D:It says here it could seem like he's constantly dealing with disruptive situations.
Speaker D:His reaction to these circumstances can be upsetting.
Speaker D:Eddie insists on nurturing in a typical way.
Speaker D:He may experience abrupt and even extreme changes to this which shatter his expectations.
Speaker D:This is literally just Kim and then the fallout.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't.
Speaker C:It's hard to, like, extrapolate on this because it's so, like pinpointing.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker A:It's just like beat everything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Beat for beat.
Speaker D:Every single thing that has happened.
Speaker C:It's not just this season.
Speaker C:It's their entire character arc.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:That's bizarre.
Speaker D:In Eddie's long term relationships, what works best for him is a partner who can be there for him emotionally.
Speaker D:Ideally, his partners are nurturing, compassionate, and supportive of their life together.
Speaker C:You don't say.
Speaker D:They're really there for him, which is important.
Speaker D:He's learning that he wants to commit and build something lasting.
Speaker D:They should both be in agreement about this objective, whether it's a home, a family, or a project.
Speaker D:I feel like that's just so Buck and him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's what they both want.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:On the same page.
Speaker C:Commit something lasting and being in agreement about it.
Speaker D:Eddie's excellent social skills means he's a natural networker.
Speaker D:He can talk to anyone.
Speaker D:Like a peacemaker or diplomat.
Speaker D:He can reach out to people and understand their perspectives.
Speaker D:This makes him a valuable ally.
Speaker D:He's meant to find a workplace that's collaborative, allows equal give and take at work.
Speaker D:He should feel like everyone's on his team.
Speaker D:This is this whole, like, thing.
Speaker D:When he was talking about walking, talking about why he chose firefighting, he was like, it's the camaraderie.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:That was the main pinpoint for him.
Speaker D:He was like this and the army.
Speaker D:It's all about having a team and.
Speaker C:Even like playing peacemaker.
Speaker C:Like in the first episode when, you know, Buck has his irrational problems with Eddie and Eddie doesn't actually do anything about it until Buck takes it out on Chimney.
Speaker C:And then that's when Eddie steps in and is like, hey, like mediating.
Speaker C:Kind of mediating, but in like a slightly combative way.
Speaker C:But in.
Speaker C:In essence, he's like mediating for Chimney's behalf for sure.
Speaker C:It's just like, like a workplace that's collaborative.
Speaker C:Equal.
Speaker C:Equal, give and take.
Speaker D:Okay, here's where it gets even crazier.
Speaker C:But wait, there's more.
Speaker D:If Eddie has doubts, wounds or blocks concerning his sense of security.
Speaker D:They'll intensify.
Speaker D:Right now he may experience a difficult situation around his home life or how he feels secure within himself.
Speaker D:Though it can be painful, this process shows him what's missing or what isn't working.
Speaker D:Allowing him to heal long standing wounds and issues.
Speaker A:You're gay.
Speaker D:Like how do they know that's what he's currently going through to give.
Speaker A:You're gay.
Speaker C:Yeah, like how he feels secure within himself.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker C:And he has to find.
Speaker C:What did we talk about with the authenticity.
Speaker C:He has to find his individuality, who he is outside of father, firefighter, soldier, son, all of these things.
Speaker C:And that it can be deep, like a painful process.
Speaker C:But like that would be what he is missing also.
Speaker D:Okay, this is also related to what you just said.
Speaker D:It says right now Eddie may feel like his power is being undermined.
Speaker D:Normally nothing stands in his way of doing what he wants.
Speaker D:But right now he may face an overwhelming situation that tests his control.
Speaker D:He's being made to surrender the way he instinctively navigates life.
Speaker B:His parents.
Speaker D:Yes, exactly.
Speaker D:Oh, and then we have like the stuff that pattern gave us about Buck and Eddie both.
Speaker D:Because that was just them individually.
Speaker A:This is the buddy.
Speaker D:Yeah, this is the buddy of it all.
Speaker D:It says it feels like Buck and Eddie were fated to meet.
Speaker D:There's a strong pull to connect.
Speaker D:That could feel energizing.
Speaker D:There may be a sense that knowing each other will change your perspective on relationships in deep and lasting ways.
Speaker D:Buck is someone Eddie can take seriously.
Speaker D:There's a gravity to your connection.
Speaker D:It could feel like you're just the maturing influence he needs.
Speaker D:If Eddie is struggling, it could be because he feels like he can't follow his desires around Buck.
Speaker C:Okay, it took me out.
Speaker A:This is starting to sound hate crimey now.
Speaker D:He might not feel like he's able to exert his power or will around you.
Speaker D:It's like he's unable to get what he wants and enjoy what usually thrills him in response.
Speaker D:Eddie might shut down or repress himself.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker A:Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker B:Pattern app needs to go to jail.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:We're gonna have to post these receipts.
Speaker A:No one's gonna believe us.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker D:Or he could try to prove himself to you by overindulging or being reckless.
Speaker D:He literally says, you are either gonna repress yourself or you're going to be reckless.
Speaker D:It says literally the words repress and reckless.
Speaker C:What the fuck?
Speaker D:Like what?
Speaker C:Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker D:There's a pattern between both of you that's Activating both of your life's purposes.
Speaker D:You may literally alter each other's path.
Speaker D:One or both of you may figure out on your own what changes need to be made along the way.
Speaker D:Your connection may take surprising turns.
Speaker D:Could be unnerving.
Speaker D:If one or both of you is used to controlling things.
Speaker D:May also bring excitement.
Speaker D:Let go of the outcome of what's happening and trust the changing changes and opportunities that come.
Speaker C:That's giving one of them has the realization first.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker A:Feelings realization a be confirmed and it.
Speaker C:Doesn'T say which one.
Speaker C:Which is interesting.
Speaker C:Would.
Speaker C:Would also kind of be interesting if it's around the same time but individually.
Speaker C:So like they can't communicate about it.
Speaker C:The one time that they.
Speaker C:Well, this whole season, half season, so far has been about their lack of communicating.
Speaker D:Ooh, this is interesting.
Speaker D:Eddie brings healing to Buck.
Speaker D:Sly.
Speaker D:If Buck is relying too much on being a certain way or falling back on old habits.
Speaker D:Eddie helps shut down these instincts.
Speaker D:He accelerates Buck's growth and maturity.
Speaker C:Are you kidding me?
Speaker A:Literally?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's so like on the nose.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:It's the Buck like falling back on old habits thing that's crazy to me about, you know, everything that Tim has said in the interviews following the mid season finale where it's like, yeah, Buck's gonna be spiraling.
Speaker C:You know, let's see how long these relationships which I'm still convinced he did not necessarily mean to drop specifically.
Speaker D:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think, I think he accidentally said that.
Speaker C:Didn't mean to say that.
Speaker C:So Buck spiraling but going back to like trying to find, you know, the puzzle piece in his romantic relationships when it's right under his nose the whole time.
Speaker C:I think that's the thing that gets me like it's so specific to Buck.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And what we're.
Speaker C:What we're seeing, like going to be coming up like when we return.
Speaker D:It says here you're both a source of optimism and support.
Speaker D:May feel like a blessing in each other's lives.
Speaker D:Eddie brings out Buck's caretaking and sensitive side.
Speaker D:Buck may have the impulse to be more nurturing around him or even take on a caretaker role in the relationship.
Speaker D:Buck should just remember to take care of himself as well.
Speaker D:Avoid codependency.
Speaker D:Not happening.
Speaker D:Too late, too late, too late.
Speaker A:No, they like it though.
Speaker C:Yeah, they like it because they're both equally codependent on the other.
Speaker D:I also love that the section ends off with you're on each other's side and you both feel it.
Speaker C:You can have my back.
Speaker C:Oh, you can have mine.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:I just want to add that this entire section of them, how they relate to each other, it ended on saying this.
Speaker D:Nothing is impossible and nothing is right and wrong.
Speaker D:At this moment, Eddie is going through a cycle that is meant to transform the person that he is.
Speaker D:What he needs and what he wants may be different day to day.
Speaker A:One day he needs to move to Texas.
Speaker A:The next day, the next day he needs to move back and profess his gay love.
Speaker C:This is great.
Speaker D:I just find it interesting that it says Eddie is going through the transformation.
Speaker D:Not.
Speaker D:But it says Eddie specifically is going through the transformation.
Speaker C:How do they know?
Speaker D:How do they know is my question.
Speaker C:How do they know?
Speaker A:It's so specific.
Speaker C:So my question then.
Speaker C:Not to toot our own horn or patter all of us on the back, I guess.
Speaker C:Did we nail it?
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:I think they nailed it.
Speaker C:Because I don't know how it could have gotten more specific about not only where.
Speaker C:Like, if Buck and Eddie were real people.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And we.
Speaker C:And we plugged them into this astrology app.
Speaker C:I don't know how it could have gotten more accurate to where they are now in season eight, but also the past leading up to that as well.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the part of where we know it's going.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:And what they've been foreshadowing of where it's going.
Speaker A:It's like, I couldn't have really gotten more specific unless they gave us, like, timestamps of the future episodes.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:It's like, can we ask pattern, like the time around, you know, March through May.
Speaker D:So crazy.
Speaker A:We can always refresh the app, though.
Speaker C:She's.
Speaker A:Because Chrissy was saying that it refreshes.
Speaker D:Like, every couple months.
Speaker A:Yeah, every couple months.
Speaker A:So it might.
Speaker A:I'm sure it probably.
Speaker D:You know what, when around.
Speaker D:When, like, the season finishes, I'm gonna check it again and I want.
Speaker D:I want to see the change in how.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like what they're saying what's currently happening with Buff and Eddie.
Speaker D:I want to see, like, how that changes because it's going to change for sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, we'll have to do, like, a little update.
Speaker C:Mini update, follow up.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker C:It's just so.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker D:It's so interesting.
Speaker D:I just feel, like, so validated in our opinions.
Speaker D:For sure.
Speaker A:I mean, I didn't need this to.
Speaker A:To know we were correct, but, like, no one can tell me I'm wrong now.
Speaker D:Yeah, I was.
Speaker D:I was.
Speaker C:It helps.
Speaker D:I was already confident, but that just made me feel like on top of the world.
Speaker D:Confident.
Speaker C:Yeah, because it's, because it's a completely separate like third party situation that doesn't have anything to do with like our.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:They have interpretation about how we perceive them or even like who they are.
Speaker D:Like I just put Buck and Eddie into the pattern.
Speaker D:Like they don't know their last name, they don't know who they are, they don't know their circumstances, how they act.
Speaker C:Just gave those birth dates.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's it.
Speaker D:Just crazy.
Speaker C:Good job us.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I fear that all the other astrology episodes are not going to be as exciting as this.
Speaker C:I mean this was the like we came out of the gate like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Swinging.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because this is the, this is also like the most debated upon.
Speaker C:Debated on.
Speaker C:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:I think this is the one where people have the most opinions, like most passionate opinions on.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker A:They don't have to opinions anymore.
Speaker A:We have facts.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Presented them to you.
Speaker D:We presented all the facts.
Speaker D:What does there say?
Speaker A:We have literally connected all the dots.
Speaker A:We have.
Speaker A:Have connected all the.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:All the constellations.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:All the stars.
Speaker D:And I mean like we didn't even go as in depth as we could have gone because.
Speaker D:No, we could have gone.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:Because there's other things.
Speaker D:Mercury, Mars, Venus, signs like those all.
Speaker C:Maybe that'll.
Speaker A:Yeah, that'll be the Part two.
Speaker D:Part two.
Speaker D:There you go.
Speaker C:I was almost gonna say I would love to hear other people's opinions, but.
Speaker A:Like, no, I wouldn't talk to the Gemini about that.
Speaker A:Don't bother me.
Speaker D:Honestly.
Speaker D:I agree with Rachel, but I'm also an Aquarius.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:I have Aquarius Rising, but I don't suffer from whatever that is.
Speaker C:We live with our head in the clouds.
Speaker D:I would love to hear somebody speak about it just as in depth as we just did and attempt to convince me.
Speaker D:Because right now I'm very firm in my opinion.
Speaker D:But if you were to present an equal argument, I could understand.
Speaker D:But the thing is that I don't believe that there is an equal argument.
Speaker A:So that's my problem is like I'm open to having debate conversation about stuff until I'm like locked in, sure of my rightness.
Speaker A:Once I'm sure of that, then it's over.
Speaker A:Can't fuck.
Speaker A:I mean fictional things.
Speaker A:I'm not talking about like real life.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I don't mean that in a toxic.
Speaker C:Things that can be interpreted and have no technical right answer.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:No, but like once I'm certain of my correct Read on something.
Speaker A:Argue with the law.
Speaker C:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:On my end.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna say.
Speaker B:You can say what you want.
Speaker B:You're allowed to.
Speaker B:I'll allow it.
Speaker B:I guess I'm just gonna stay right here.
Speaker A:Just know that anyone responding to your other opinions will be Rachel, probably.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, it's not me.
Speaker C:I guess my challenge, then, and I'd probably have to confer with Chrissy on this, is to find something and present an argument as in depth and as like.
Speaker A:That makes more sense than this.
Speaker C:More sense than this.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:That they'll listen to and then tell Sil and I about.
Speaker C:And not just, like, pick and choosing specific aspects.
Speaker C:No, like, in its entirety.
Speaker C:Because I feel like.
Speaker C:I mean, we could.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker B:There's an assignment we're gonna get Gray.
Speaker C:Hey, you want some homework?
Speaker A:Well, the.
Speaker A:The assignment is if you disagree with us, if you truly think that your thing is more correct, then where's.
Speaker A:Where's the receipts?
Speaker C:I love other people's headcanons.
Speaker C:That is totally fine.
Speaker C:I'm actually.
Speaker C:Can anyone find a better argument?
Speaker D:Yeah, I would love to hear it.
Speaker C:Because, like, hard pressed.
Speaker C:This is coming from the Gemini, who was already.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, just, like, locked in so perfectly every single thing that I'm.
Speaker C:That I could not.
Speaker C:Like, as we were going through all of these to determine, I was like, I can't find another option that would be better.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Than what we have here.
Speaker C:And that's how I know, like, oh, I'm dying on this hill.
Speaker A:Because Rachel kept going, what about.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:And then I would read the thing, and I'd be like, no.
Speaker A:Nope, had to her.
Speaker A:And she'd be like, yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker A:I had to.
Speaker A:Then I'd be like, what about this?
Speaker C:I lost all of the options.
Speaker C:And then, like, whatever was not eliminated was what we ended up with.
Speaker A:And I was like, no.
Speaker A:I feel like Gemini proofed this stamp of Gemini approval.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, because there were things, I think, just for Eddie specifically, because Buck was just like, I can't think of anything that would fit him better.
Speaker A:But with Eddie, I think Buck came easier.
Speaker C:Let me rephrase that.
Speaker D:Buck definitely came easier to go, too.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:I also just got the joke.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:It's so hilarious because she never talks like this except when we're recording.
Speaker A:It's like something flips in her brain.
Speaker C:The Leo Moon.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's the.
Speaker C:Sorry, what were.
Speaker C:What were you saying?
Speaker D:Like, I figured Buck's out.
Speaker D:Way easier than at ease.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:But I Also think that's in part because I think that with Buck, the aspects of his personality are much more in your face.
Speaker D:Whereas with Eddie, I feel like there's a lot that's repressed and it's harder to figure him out in that sense.
Speaker D:You have to really do the work to understand Eddie.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I also think Buck cannot be as straightforward like we talked about because of the mask of it all.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:He definitely.
Speaker A:Life, it was just so obvious to me as a cancer, as a fellow Buck coded person, you had like an extra.
Speaker A:It was like he put it in my head.
Speaker A:It was like I had his thought and went, well, yes, of course.
Speaker D:I definitely think I'm more like Eddie, even though, like, I don't think that Eddie and I are similar people in how, like, we like all his signs and stuff.
Speaker D:That I don't relate to Addie in that sense.
Speaker D:But there's a lot I have in common with Eddie.
Speaker D:Like, eldest child represses emotions.
Speaker D:What else is there?
Speaker A:I definitely have things in common with religious trauma.
Speaker A:Being only child, the largest thing.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Also like the cultural background, the.
Speaker D:The religious aspect, etc.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:There are definitely.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't fully relate to Buck on everything.
Speaker A:Like, thank God I don't relate to him like, familial wise.
Speaker A:Like, I'll take the religious drama over that.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's a little easier to kind.
Speaker D:Of digest than save your babies.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Literally.
Speaker C:Oh, that part that you read from.
Speaker A:The pattern where we're talking about an event in his childhood, I was like, what if it's literally just like being born?
Speaker A:Well, not being born.
Speaker A:The getting the.
Speaker A:Because the body remembers pain even if you're not.
Speaker A:Like, the body remembers and retains trauma, like, even if you aren't conscious to receive it.
Speaker A:So I'm like, that could be just like a core trauma memory that he doesn't even consciously remember.
Speaker A:Cause he was too little to.
Speaker A:But like them getting the marrow transplant.
Speaker C:Well, I think that's probably one of the reasons why he ends up acting out by inflicting pain on himself.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because not only does the body remember pain, but he would have just known at that point instinctually that, oh, I feel.
Speaker A:Ouch.
Speaker C:Parents pay attention to.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:And that's where that emanates from.
Speaker C:You know, once he got older, he's like, he was so young, he wouldn't have been able to like, comprehend that.
Speaker C:But that was so instinctual in.
Speaker C:In who he came to be that that is why he ended up hurting himself to get his parents attention.
Speaker D:And I mean like that just manifests in his job all the time too.
Speaker D:Like, huh.
Speaker D:Acting out against orders to get attention when he's slipping away, when he.
Speaker D:When something bad is happening.
Speaker A:We don't have to leave this in, but it's topical to what we're talking about.
Speaker A:Sleeping around.
Speaker A:Even though it hurts you so hard because it gets you attention.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it hurts you because you're demisexual romantic.
Speaker C:Any combination you decide to headcanon, it's still a form of self harm.
Speaker D:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker C:We have talked about this.
Speaker D:100%.
Speaker C:It's not as much physical harm, but it's just taking.
Speaker C:Taking that and internalizing that harm.
Speaker C:So it's more emotional than.
Speaker C:Than physical, but it is doing a like physical.
Speaker A:It's emotional harm, but it is like in a form physical too, because it's like he's using like all he knows is like hurt to get attention.
Speaker A:But also the only thing I'm good for is my body.
Speaker C:So yeah, it's funneling that physicality in a different way.
Speaker A:Anyway, so glad that I brought the mood up.
Speaker C:Well, that's a bummer.
Speaker A:Now, Chrissy, where can people find you?
Speaker A:Where do you want them to find you?
Speaker A:Do you want them to find you?
Speaker C:Do you want to be found?
Speaker D:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Do you want to be seen and perceived somewhat?
Speaker D:You can find me at Kithmet.
Speaker D:It's K I T H M E T.
Speaker D:I think I spelled that right.
Speaker C:Yeah, you did.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker D:Yeah, you can find me there.
Speaker D:Tumblr, Twitter, and AO3.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Check out her AO3 like the other ones too.
Speaker C:But for sure the AO3.
Speaker A:I have been sitting here impatiently for months.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:Call me out.
Speaker D:Oh my gosh.
Speaker D:The current idea I have is like a post 808 fic.
Speaker C:Ooh.
Speaker D:And I'm there.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker D:It's definitely different than anything else you've ever read.
Speaker D:It's not like the typical 808 fix is all I'm gonna say.
Speaker C:Okay, say oh, say more, but also say less.
Speaker C:Doesn't matter how much you say I'm sad.
Speaker A:Already sold.
Speaker D:The concept is this buck is crashing out over the fact that Eddie is moving.
Speaker D:However, he's determined to be a good friend about it.
Speaker D:So he's putting on a brave face and he's telling Eddie, yeah, it's all good.
Speaker D:And he's like really stepping up and taking initiative and helping Eddie move almost to like a disturbingly aggressive, like, invasive degree.
Speaker C:Like he's like shooing him out of.
Speaker D:The state like, he's like.
Speaker D:He's like, creating these, like, spreadsheets to help him, like, with house listings and decorate.
Speaker A:Biblically accurate.
Speaker D:And he's just doing too much, essentially.
Speaker D:Like, he's doing.
Speaker D:He's like, micromanaging Eddie's move.
Speaker D:On top of that, Eddie's like, okay, so you're being kind of crazy, but whatever, sure, we'll go with it.
Speaker D:At the same time, there's this thing that starts manifesting in Buck where he starts acting crazy.
Speaker D:So essentially what happens is the night that Eddie tells him he stays over at Eddie's house.
Speaker D:And then he has a wet dream on his couch.
Speaker D:And then.
Speaker D:Then he's like, actually, this is normal.
Speaker D:It just accidentally happened.
Speaker D:It's fine.
Speaker D:And he's like, you know how Buck just kind of lies to himself?
Speaker D:That's like the whole premise of the fic.
Speaker D:He's just whining.
Speaker A:So it's the Buck gaslights himself?
Speaker D:Yes, essentially.
Speaker D:Basically the whole fic is just Buck being weird about Eddie's house and also his belongings.
Speaker D:Like, he starts stealing Eddie's stuff.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker D:He's like.
Speaker D:He's like, no, he would.
Speaker D:He's like, you don't need this, so I'm just gonna keep it because it's the part of you that you like, I won't have anymore.
Speaker D:And I'm just.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I can have this.
Speaker D:You don't need this anymore.
Speaker D:So he's like, I'm gonna take this.
Speaker D:So he just steals a variety of Eddie's things, essentially, and keeps them in his own house.
Speaker B:I had a headcanon that he just, like, moves into the house.
Speaker D:That is a great head cannon.
Speaker D:One of my friends is running a fic like that.
Speaker D:But so I was like, you do.
Speaker D:You do that, and I'll just do this insane thing.
Speaker A:Is this like, reverse pebbling?
Speaker D:But yeah, the whole thing is just like.
Speaker C:Like a magpie.
Speaker D:Like, essentially, Buck has a weird sexual experiences in Eddie's house.
Speaker D:Like, and then also he's stealing Eddie's things and taking them to his house.
Speaker A:And his subconscious is trying to tell him something.
Speaker D:Yeah, it really is.
Speaker D:And he's just not listening.
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker D:Anyway, my friends describe this as bike psychosexual stalker moments.
Speaker C:And, like, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker D:I and other friends lovingly refer to it as the Klepto Buck fic.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker C:But yeah, it's like he's.
Speaker C:It's like he's stealing the things from Eddie's house as, like, his souvenirs.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:Essentially, it's like These are the pieces of you that I can keep.
Speaker D:I won't let you see that.
Speaker D:I'm like, like actually depressed about this.
Speaker D:So I'm like indulging myself by taking your stuff.
Speaker D:Honestly, I don't know how my brain came up with any of this.
Speaker C:Oh, I love your brain, but I'm.
Speaker D:Really excited for this.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker D:So this is what I mean by.
Speaker D:It's not like the typical 808 fic.
Speaker D:It's just insane.
Speaker D:This is freak for freak at its peak.
Speaker B:We love freak for freak.
Speaker A:We love freak for freak.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's not enough freak for freak.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, I need them to be unhinged.
Speaker D:Also, like, it lines up so well with 704.
Speaker D:And also, like, what Tim is hinting at is gonna happen.
Speaker D:Like, obviously I don't think Buck is gonna have some psychosexual crash out in 8B, however.
Speaker A:No, but they made 704K.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:Therefore.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:So I'm thinking, okay, he's gonna have have a 704 level crash out.
Speaker D:It ain't me.
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