Wanna Go For The Title? (3x09: Fallout)
“You can’t save someone from themselves, not of they don’t want it.”
This week Han, Cil, and Rachel step into the ring fence to take a swing at Season 3 Episode 9 of 9-1-1, “Fallout,” which starts and ends with therapy, we love to see it!
Hen comes out the other end healed, Maddie finally opens up about wanting to heal, and Eddie is… calling flirting with his best bro and playing video games “therapy.” You keep saying that word, but we don’t think it actually means what you think it means.
Bobby, ever the martyr, almost became The Incredible Hulk after a slight overexposure to some radioactive waste, oopsie! We examine how Buck is much worry and his deep love and care for Bobby is reflected in that.
We discuss Athena and May butting heads over her college admissions essay, and how they come to understand and support each other despite their differing viewpoints.
Last, but certainly not least, we find ourselves voyeurs in the kitchen as we deep dive into the homoeroticism of suggestively goading your friend boy to get half-naked and pummel you.
Grab your belt buckles and get ready to “take on” the scene that even Oliver Stark has dubbed “Super Gay!”
Give him that title.
📔 Articles Mentioned
📰 ‘9-1-1’ Star Aisha Hinds Says Hen Is ‘Assuming All Responsibility’ for That Horrific Accident, The Wrap
🎧 Oliver & Aisha on Smith Sisters Live Podcast
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Chapters
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:00:54) Welcome to Dispatch
(00:03:16) General Thoughts
(00:09:01) Jaws of Life - Deep Dive
(00:13:17) Production & Behind the Scenes
(00:18:47) Needle Drop - Music Analysis
(00:21:29) Red String Corner
(00:25:33) Foreshadowing & Parallels
(00:28:37) Flashover - Themes
(00:36:21) Where’s the Fire? - Scene Dissection: Eddie, Maddie, & Hen in Therapy Montage
(00:55:04) Who’s Cookin’? - Character Analysis
(00:55:24) Hen
(01:08:03) Maddie
(01:19:23) Eddie
(01:23:33) Buck
(01:27:45) Bobby & Athena
(01:42:17) Slow Burn - Bi Buck & Buddie Watch
(01:46:30) Do You Wanna Go For The Title
(02:14:39) “It’s Like We Just Click”
(02:17:00) Kitchen Tension Parallel to 8x08 Tablet
(02:21:14) Take a Buddie With You & Outro
Transcript
This week we discuss the fallout of Maddy's interference in a domestic dispute, how.
Speaker B:Hen processes her guilt and gets her groove back, and the super gay belt.
Speaker C:Buckle grab heard around the world.
Speaker B:Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?
Speaker C:A procedural network drama might not be.
Speaker A:Your usual pick, but it's ours.
Speaker A:This is The Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DMed each character dissertations to earn a PhD in media literacy.
Speaker B:I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.
Speaker C:I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.
Speaker A:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
Speaker B:With our powers combined, no stone is.
Speaker A:Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.
Speaker B:This episode brought to you by Homoerotic Kitchen chats with your best brother.
Speaker B:Welcome to Dispatch.
Speaker B:What's on call this week?
Speaker C:This week we're discussing season three, episode nine, titled Fallout, written by Juan Carlos Coto, directed by Marcus Stokes.
Speaker C: ,: Speaker A:All right, let's get into some of the calls of the week.
Speaker A:The first one is Olivia's comet.
Speaker A:Yes, I know it's a meteor, but just go with it.
Speaker A:Okay, so a young woman down on her luck hits the cosmic jackpot when a meteor crashes right through her.
Speaker A:All the way through.
Speaker A:And then we have.
Speaker A:Does Maddie get deja vu?
Speaker A:So Maddie gets a frantic call from Tara, who has shot her husband and implores Maddie to come and help her.
Speaker A:And then the last call we see is.
Speaker A:Did someone call for an Incredible Hulk?
Speaker A:I'll explain.
Speaker A:A recycling truck crashes into a tunnel and causes the illegally transported radioactive waste to catch fire and emit gamma radiation.
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker A:Putting everyone at risk.
Speaker C:Listen, I really thought Bobby was going to turn into the Incredible Hulk.
Speaker C:For a second there, I thought we were in the wrong franchise.
Speaker A:At least he'd be indestructible.
Speaker A:He would be.
Speaker B:Maybe he should have someone write the au.
Speaker A:You're telling me.
Speaker A:You're telling me you had a character with canonically magic blood who gets exposed to gamma radiation and does not turn into a superhero and is the one that.
Speaker A:Anyways, to my near, this was your.
Speaker C:Superhero origin story that you could have, like, submitted to the mcu.
Speaker B:You and Feige for your consideration.
Speaker A:That would be interesting.
Speaker B:To mcu.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker A:Never mind my near infinity.
Speaker B:I don't mean that I'm scared, actually.
Speaker B:No, that's terrifying.
Speaker B:That's terrifying.
Speaker B:That's also opening up the.
Speaker B:The possibility of the evil bald people.
Speaker B:Oh, well, I was the Russo brothers directing an episode of 91 1.
Speaker B:Like a two parter or a three parter, so I like having my will to live.
Speaker B:Did you say all the evil bald men?
Speaker B:Anyway, what did we think of this episode, guys?
Speaker C:Well, at least Bobby didn't die.
Speaker B:God.
Speaker C:All right, now, seriously triggered.
Speaker A:No, seriously, like, no.
Speaker C:You know, I always have to give you the most out of left field comment ever.
Speaker C:Anyway, I thought, I thought it was.
Speaker B:A really good episode.
Speaker B:It's one of the best episodes of season three, I would say.
Speaker C:I mean it really not ties up or maybe it does kind of tie up a lot of like these storylines that all, you know, all the way from like back in season two.
Speaker C:How we've, you know, it's like we've circled back, see how they're dealing with the fallout, how we're moving forward from that fallout of.
Speaker C:I'm going to say fallout a lot.
Speaker A:Get your counters ready.
Speaker C:Maybe, maybe this is my, my stock, I guess.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm kidding.
Speaker C:It's probably not going to happen again.
Speaker C:It's because I have no other words to describe it anyway.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, I think it's a, I think it's a really good episode, especially.
Speaker A:How it like tie.
Speaker C:It touches upon everyone's one.
Speaker C:We see like it's a very good ensemble episode but then it also like how, how it digs deeper into like everyone that was dealing with something like super traumatic, especially hen Eddie and Maddie.
Speaker C:Nailed it.
Speaker A:For real.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker C:That was a mess.
Speaker A:I think this is also one of my favorite episodes of season three.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:When I think of season three, I think I tend to think of the tsunami fallout and Eddie begins like that is what I think of as season three.
Speaker A:I love this episode.
Speaker A:I think it's written so fantastically.
Speaker A:It's just another Juan Carlos Cotto ensemble star studded event basically because, because it's, it's just so well done and like all of, all of the little banters and like mini convos between all the characters that just really like flesh out how real everybody is and how much of a familial bond the 118 have.
Speaker A:It just, it just makes it feel so tangible and like all these little lore drops everything.
Speaker A:It's like it's all dialogue but it, but it illustrates like how tight knit they are, how, how real they are to each other and it makes it more real to us.
Speaker A:So fantastic episode and very thematically poignant.
Speaker A:So I think it is my season three Stuck.
Speaker B:I think it's a fantastic episode.
Speaker B:There's so much happening in this episode.
Speaker A:Juggles a lot.
Speaker B:I was on my first rewatch of it.
Speaker B:Like, the.
Speaker B:Do you want to go for the title scene happened and I was like, oh, this episode's almost over.
Speaker B:It's 20 to 25 minutes in.
Speaker B:It's like halfway through the episode.
Speaker A:Why do we always feel like it's at the end?
Speaker B:I think it was just because there was so much that happens in it that at that point I was like, oh, this.
Speaker B:And this is like a wrap up to like, their whole thing too.
Speaker B:So it felt like we were wrapping up the episode.
Speaker B:But yeah, like, Juan Carlos, he does.
Speaker B:He does the ensemble episodes.
Speaker B:So, like, I don't want to say better than anyone else, but he does them better than anyone else.
Speaker B:Like, just.
Speaker B:No one's doing it like him.
Speaker B:Like, other people do great ensemble episodes, but his are just like top tier.
Speaker B:And you never feel like you aren't like you're missing out on seeing a character.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because even though Chimney didn't really have his own plot, like, we still got good amounts of Chimney in here.
Speaker B:And just like Rachel said, like, all the banter, all of the dialogue, just like really seeing how they interact as a family, like at work, outside of work.
Speaker B:And there's just so much happening, like, so, so much like heavy shit happening.
Speaker B:Balanced really well with like.
Speaker B:Like a meteorite goes through this girl and it's like one of the funniest calls they've literally ever had.
Speaker A:To me.
Speaker B:Buck literally gets underneath her, is like, hi, Cap.
Speaker A:I. I think that's objectively true.
Speaker B:It's really funny.
Speaker B:I don't know, it's just.
Speaker B:It's just such a great episode.
Speaker B:I really.
Speaker B:It's really depressing now, like, in retrospect, to watch this after age 15, but it is a really good storyline for Bobby and, you know, the Grant family.
Speaker B:It's got one of the gayest scenes television has ever made and it's got a really great hen.
Speaker B:A plot.
Speaker B:So, like, what more could you ask for?
Speaker A:It delivered on everything.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's good.
Speaker A:It really did.
Speaker A:It did its job.
Speaker A:I. I do think it.
Speaker A:It hits a little different though, after like 8, 15.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, no, I just started crying.
Speaker B:Oh, no, I just started crying.
Speaker A:I had to pause the episode and take, like, deep, calming breaths.
Speaker A:The first time I was watching it, I was like, it like, literally sent me.
Speaker A:I was like, no, the.
Speaker B:The moment with Buck and him, oh my God.
Speaker B:That triggered me and I started crying.
Speaker B:And when they're all watching him, like, concerned, like, get decontaminated, I started crying.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:And then when he's in the hospital, you know, with Athena, and she's like, can't make a widow.
Speaker A:Oh, my.
Speaker A:That's the part that sent me.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:I had to pause.
Speaker A:I was like, absolutely on me.
Speaker B:And I was like, it's actually criminal twisted that they killed him this way with this episode in the roster.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think we'll get into that a little with a little more depth later.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Shall we dive into the sweet embrace.
Speaker C:Of the Jaws of Life.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I've never heard you describe it like that before.
Speaker B:No, I. I did last episode, too.
Speaker B:I think I was like, put me out of my misery.
Speaker B:I'm so tired.
Speaker B:We're gonna need the Jaws of Life over here.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So I think I mentioned this last week, but there were a couple articles or interviews with Aisha Hines that came out for this episode, talking about ten and her arc with these last few following the ambulance crash.
Speaker A:And we have articles from the Rap and TV line.
Speaker A:And I'll just read a couple.
Speaker A:A couple quotes from.
Speaker A:From those.
Speaker A:So talking about Pen's, like, feelings of responsibility and.
Speaker A:And how she's dealing with the after of the ambulance.
Speaker A:She says, I think that Hen is flooded with emotion and making it a little bit difficult for her to find her path right now because she's trying her best to decipher what that story is.
Speaker A:What are the facts for her?
Speaker A:Her recollection right now is leading her down a path, making her feel like she's a hundred percent responsible.
Speaker A:And even if it weren't so, she's assuming all responsibility for this event.
Speaker A:And it's all very blurry for her.
Speaker A:All she knows is that as a first responder, she's supposed to save lives and someone's life is taken away on her hands.
Speaker A:I think that comes across, like, very clearly, like what Hen is weighing.
Speaker A:So that was from the wrap, and then in the TV Line article, the interviewer mentioned from the last episode with the ambulance crash in that sequence and how devastating that was, especially for how little dialogue was involved.
Speaker A:And Aisha said that she loved that beautiful imagery of Athena really holding Hen up.
Speaker A:A lot of those beats weren't planned.
Speaker B:There were.
Speaker A:There was so much authenticity that needed to bleed through in that moment.
Speaker A:And if any moment didn't ring true, the whole thing would fall apart.
Speaker A:It was such an intense moment, but also so fragile for this young lady, for Hen, for The job for everything that was going on, it played really beautifully.
Speaker A:And I think that speaks to the relationships that we've all established both on and off camera.
Speaker A:And she continues, as she was looking at everyone and seeing how concerned they were for her, the lines blurred.
Speaker A:Like, were they concerned for Hen or for Aisha?
Speaker A:It was a beautiful orchestra of events, which is like, I think we, I think we mentioned in the last episode just like how viscerally Aisha plays like those very deep emotional moments.
Speaker A:And yeah, so for, for her to be so like aware of like how things have to come across authentically and, and really leaning on like their, their real life connections, I. I think that comes across.
Speaker A:And then the interviewer asked about Hen and Karen.
Speaker A:What has it meant for Aisha and Tracy Thoms, who plays Karen, to establish and explore that relationship?
Speaker A:So for anyone who doesn't know, Aisha and Tracy were friends before they were even cast.
Speaker A:And Aisha says so when she heard that Tracy was going to play Karen, they were both so happy.
Speaker A:They knew that they were safe with each other and they enjoy getting to peel back the layers of their connection.
Speaker A:But we get to.
Speaker A:But they get to deal with these very real issues that families go through and they've been very happy with the evolution of Hen and Ren, as we call them.
Speaker A:Getting to explore our family and expand our family is just so wonderful.
Speaker A:I just think that's really sweet.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's again, again one of those things, like you can just tell like how much care is between Aisha and Tracy.
Speaker A:Like they, they make Hen and Karen's relationship look so effortless.
Speaker A:So I thought that was like a little cute thing.
Speaker A:All right, so a couple little notes about production behind the scenes things.
Speaker A:So this episode was directed by Marcus Stokes.
Speaker A:This was the first one that he directed for 911 and he would continue to do three more.
Speaker A:I think it's kind of funny because not only does he direct 309, he directs 409 and 509.
Speaker A:I don't really.
Speaker A:I think it's just one of those things that it just like just work out and then 5:13, which like, you know, exception to the rule, all that stuff.
Speaker A:But I think it's interesting looking at the episodes that he's given.
Speaker A:So he does 309, which we know is like a very ensemble heavy episode.
Speaker A:It's got like some, some really big stuff going on and then 409 is blindsided and that is essentially like the mid season premiere.
Speaker A:So there was like a couple week, I think maybe like a Month or six weeks break because this was season four.
Speaker A:So it was like the COVID season.
Speaker A:So they didn't have like a true mid season break.
Speaker A:So like that would be a big episode as well.
Speaker A:And then 509 pass is prologue which was the mid season finale for season five.
Speaker A:So like going into winter break and then 5:13 which was fearophobia.
Speaker A:And I think all of these episodes have a lot to do with like Maddie and Eddie and but Fearophobia is an episode coming back from a two week break.
Speaker A:So it's, it is interesting how his resume of 911 episodes seems to have like a lot of big emotional legwork but also with big like visual effects.
Speaker A:I mean 911 is known for that but.
Speaker A:But just like big, big stuff happening.
Speaker A:Oh, and lots of like car things because we get this one with the truck past his prologue.
Speaker A:Oh, is that the one or is it blindsided?
Speaker A:Blindsided is the one with I think Maddie giving birth to J. G and Albert getting in the car crash or was that past his prologue?
Speaker B:That is the 30 year old cold case of the casino robbery past his.
Speaker A:Prologue for blind tiger.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then there's an abandoned oil well eruption.
Speaker A:What else happened?
Speaker B:Buck fears his relationship with Taylor might be ending.
Speaker B:Hen meets a man from her mother.
Speaker B:Tony's past.
Speaker A:Yeah, so it has, it has a lot to do with like the same kind of like the same characters I think which is just kind of interesting.
Speaker A:I like figuring out like a tie to.
Speaker A:To put those all together.
Speaker A:And then this episode is obviously written by Juan Carlos Cotto and he.
Speaker A:He tends to write like very ensemble heavy episodes.
Speaker A:His first episode in season two was dosed which we lauded as like fantastic.
Speaker A:One of my favorite episodes of the season but just to like come out of the gate swinging, getting everybody's characters so true to form.
Speaker A:And I think he, I think he really handles that very well.
Speaker A:Like we see in this episode everybody is just like these little quips, these little lore drops that's just like so perfect to round out the characters more.
Speaker A:And then he also teams up with the same Director Stokes for 5:13.
Speaker A:So fearophobia.
Speaker A:So I like to see when multiple writers and directors like end up working on the same stuff that was also co written by Andrew Myers.
Speaker A:So just fantastic team overall.
Speaker B:I have a little tidbit, a little fun fact of Gwen.
Speaker B:I should probably look at this more because I think they do draw a lot from like actual real life emergency calls.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Or like you know, history things that have happened.
Speaker B:But I, I Was.
Speaker B:I was like, could someone actually survive this with a meteor strike?
Speaker B:Like, I know that they explain it, but I was like, okay.
Speaker B:Like, he, he.
Speaker B:I was like, buck buckipedia pops out and he's like one other person hit by a meteorite in the 50s.
Speaker B:And I was like, okay, that's gotta be true.
Speaker B: is true in silicon Alabama in: Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker B:It's the first modern instance because I think there's like some like, records and like, ancient Chinese or like history of like people being killed by like falling meteorites.
Speaker B:But she's the first person in modern history and first human on record to survive.
Speaker B:So it crashed through the roof of her house into the living room.
Speaker A:Sounds familiar.
Speaker B:Bounced off of a radio and it struck her in the hip.
Speaker B:Like, so she didn't go through her, but she had like a injury.
Speaker B:Really, really bad bruise.
Speaker B:Eight and a half.
Speaker A:Just a bruise.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:It didn't go through her because.
Speaker B:Because she didn't get directly hit.
Speaker B:Like it went through her roof, bounced off of a thing and then hit her.
Speaker B:Oh, and she had like a bunch of blankets.
Speaker B:Ah, that was the other thing.
Speaker A:Oh, that's interesting.
Speaker B:That they credited for absorbing some of the shock.
Speaker A:Okay, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker B:So I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker A:This just in weighted blanket is the new armor.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:She was not permanently injured.
Speaker B:Suffered a nasty bruise along her hip and leg.
Speaker B:That's where it hit her.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:Pretty neat.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker B:Book.
Speaker A:Wouldn't wish that on anybody, but no.
Speaker B:And then I do have one needle drop to talk about.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:There are a couple other songs, but I didn't think they like, lyrically as much.
Speaker B:Had a lot of meaning other than just like what the chorus was, which was like one thing repeated.
Speaker B:So in the ending montage.
Speaker B:I love ending montage songs and the ending montage.
Speaker B:It's another song by the National.
Speaker B:I think they had another ending montage to a national song.
Speaker B:Oh, last season.
Speaker B:I can't remember which song it was, but this one is Fake Empire.
Speaker B:And I specifically wanted to highlight like the last verse because I will talk about the first verse later when we're talking about Eddie.
Speaker B:But it says, turn the light out, say good night no thinking for a little while let's try Try not to figure out everything at once it's hard to keep track of you Falling through the sky so.
Speaker B:Lol.
Speaker B:Because meteorite.
Speaker B:But like, metaphorically, it's like.
Speaker B:It's like, okay.
Speaker B:Kind of going along with what she's saying.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:How do you deal with how do you choose to deal with what's happening?
Speaker B:Do you ignore it?
Speaker B:Do you power through it?
Speaker B:Like, that's the whole ending montage.
Speaker B:So I thought it was, like, a good choice.
Speaker B:And I just love the national, so.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker A:That's cool.
Speaker A:Ending montage.
Speaker A:Songs are so important.
Speaker A:They are.
Speaker B:Bring back.
Speaker B:Bring back a couple times a season.
Speaker B:We haven't had a voiceover.
Speaker B:I know I complained about this in the first season.
Speaker B:You did.
Speaker B:But it's because I hate.
Speaker B:I hate Abby doing it, but she's gone.
Speaker A:So free.
Speaker B:I didn't want to be learning lessons from Abby.
Speaker B:She needed to go to therapy.
Speaker B:Not someone in their mid-20s and use them.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:To go to therapy.
Speaker B:Anyway, bring that back a couple of times a season, like, for the.
Speaker B:For the very big episodes where you're, like, learning a big.
Speaker B:Everyone's learning a big lesson.
Speaker B:I think that would be cool.
Speaker B:I miss them.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's such a, like, quintessential 911 thing, and we haven't done it for a long time.
Speaker A:When was the last time we had a.
Speaker B:Hasn't been.
Speaker B:Since we moved to abc.
Speaker B:I don't think so.
Speaker A:I feel like.
Speaker C:Wasn't it, like, five?
Speaker B:It was five or six, I think.
Speaker C:Well, six would make sense, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah, somebody answered that question for us anyway.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:We'll have just someone who's watched five and six more than the one time.
Speaker B:We both.
Speaker B:All three of us have.
Speaker A:It's so funny.
Speaker A:I feel like we keep running into, like, 5 and 6 being our blind spots.
Speaker B:We really.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:We really need to rewatch at this hiatus.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just to familiarize.
Speaker B:There's so much Eddie stuff in there that I think we just need to watch Eddie Mac anyway.
Speaker A:So I've connected the dots.
Speaker B:You didn't connect.
Speaker A:I've got a few things for our red string corner.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:No, please.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna stop a. Yay.
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker A:Namely, callbacks.
Speaker A:Like, there are so many callbacks that I picked up on, and there's probably more that I didn't buy.
Speaker A:Lots of.
Speaker A:Lots of things being brought in from, like, other.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker A:Just mentioned.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Just mentioned from other episodes.
Speaker A:And I think that really goes to show.
Speaker A:Like, Juan Carlos Cotto does his homework.
Speaker A:He is so familiar with the show and the.
Speaker A:The character's lore and what has already transpired that these were such, like, natural callbacks.
Speaker A:Let's see.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So we had the first one.
Speaker A:I mean, with this episode dealing so much with therapy.
Speaker A:The callback to 102 which is buck sleeping with the therapist.
Speaker A:We don't want to talk about it.
Speaker A:But, like, it's.
Speaker A:I think the only other time it gets brought up outside of, you know, those first couple of episodes in season one.
Speaker A:The next one is when Denny says to Ken and Heron, like, let's go pick up Paisley.
Speaker A:And for whatever reason, I was like, what?
Speaker A:Like, I knew Paisley was the dog, but I was like, when did they get a dog?
Speaker A:How long have they.
Speaker A:Because, like, I feel like we've forgotten.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And then it occurred to me, it's like, oh, yeah, Paisley was the dog from the earthquake that hen brought home in 202 or 203 that everybody just, like, forgets about.
Speaker A:No, I knew.
Speaker B:I knew who Paisley was, but I was like.
Speaker B:I forgot that Paisley had already happened for some reason.
Speaker B:I was thinking it happened in season four.
Speaker A:No, because there's.
Speaker A:There's another dog.
Speaker A:Oh, there's another dog that happens that, like, goes to every.
Speaker A:And I forget his name.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:That's what I was thinking of then.
Speaker A:That's what I was thinking of, too.
Speaker A:And I was like, wait, Paisley.
Speaker B:That's because, like, wasn't Albert involved in that?
Speaker B:Yeah, I was like.
Speaker B:And I don't remember.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Albert isn't here yet.
Speaker B:I remember that.
Speaker A:I remember Paisley, you're just smarter than we are.
Speaker A:I mean, I knew Paisley was a dog, and.
Speaker A:But I was confused.
Speaker A:I. I'm going on.
Speaker B:How many dogs have the Wilsons gone through?
Speaker B:And then it just disappeared.
Speaker A:That one.
Speaker C:I think they do explain it.
Speaker C:I forgot what season?
Speaker C:Where do they explain that?
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:Oh, probably when they brought in the.
Speaker C:The other dog, they explained that, oh, we had to give her up or something.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah, I forget.
Speaker A:And I can't remember that it passed away.
Speaker A:Maybe I can't remember the other dog's name, but I think it started with an H. Harber.
Speaker B:I actually don't know.
Speaker A:Don't quote me.
Speaker A:The next one is.
Speaker A:I mean, it's pretty obvious, but from Hen begins, they bring back Stacy, her life coach.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That's pretty obvious.
Speaker C:That's so serendipitous.
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:How serendipitous of them.
Speaker A:And then the last one that I wrote down at least was from chimney begins, when chimney is Hoover.
Speaker C:That's close.
Speaker A:Herbert from.
Speaker B:From the sorority house.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:I knew it had an H, but the.
Speaker A:The last parallel that I wrote down was from 212, which is chimney begins, and that's when Chimney is having his one on one with Hen and telling her like, hey, I got this really good advice one time of, you know, there's so many patients in the world, but the world needs more healers.
Speaker A:I paraphrased.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, it took me a minute for that.
Speaker A:Because I was like, yeah, that's probably something Hen said.
Speaker A:And I was like, no, actually, that was from Eli in Chimney Begins.
Speaker A:And I love that.
Speaker A:That's something that Chimney constantly, like, just has in.
Speaker A:In his.
Speaker A:Like, in the back of his head.
Speaker A:Just like, one of those, like, best advice you were ever given sort of things.
Speaker A:And then I didn't really have a lot for foreshadowing because, well, I mean, I chose not to believe in the intentional 8:15 foreshadowing.
Speaker B:It doesn't have to be intentional foreshadowing.
Speaker B:It's still narrative foreshadowing.
Speaker A:Yes, that's true.
Speaker C:Insert 8:15 here.
Speaker A:Yeah, so all of that.
Speaker A:All of that.
Speaker A:I wanted to talk about that more with Bobby later.
Speaker A:So all of that crazy work.
Speaker A:Crazy work now.
Speaker A:And it does make me wonder if in season eight, they maybe looked back on some of the stuff with season three and, like, pulled some.
Speaker A:Some bits and pieces because, well, after.
Speaker C:That little promo where they were like, here's.
Speaker C:Look back into Fallout Ghost Stories.
Speaker C:And I forgot the other episode.
Speaker C:It was like three episodes that the abc, the official ABC account released or set here.
Speaker B:Just look, I forgot about that.
Speaker A:That's crazy work.
Speaker A:And that's one of the reasons why everyone was like, oh, he's gonna be fine.
Speaker B:I forgot we didn't talk about that in any of the episodes where we were talking about all this.
Speaker A:I think we were going to include that in whatever we do.
Speaker A:Our pr.
Speaker B:The PR.
Speaker B:Episode.
Speaker B:Episode we should record, but we don't want to talk about it anymore.
Speaker A:It's gonna be a bit of a monster.
Speaker A:Like, I want to, but I'm too.
Speaker B:Two to three hours of us going, what the.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why did you do this this way?
Speaker B:Why would you say this?
Speaker B:I wonder if that's something that we'll.
Speaker C:Revisit maybe December of this year.
Speaker B:Maybe we need more time away for a bit and maybe some, like, season nine to see, like, where they're going with stuff and how they handle it and for us to just not have to do it this summer.
Speaker B:I would love.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's fine with me.
Speaker A:It'll happen.
Speaker A:I'm good eventually here, folks.
Speaker B:You'll get it eventually.
Speaker A:Maybe eventually.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Like, I really want to do that one, but it's kind of.
Speaker A:It's gonna be kind of A beast of an episode.
Speaker C:It's a lot.
Speaker B:We're ready for themes.
Speaker A:I have one more thing of foreshadowing.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Just one little thing.
Speaker A:I just thought it was.
Speaker A:I don't know if it was intentional.
Speaker A:I just thought it was kind of funny.
Speaker A:But when they find the truck driver stuck in.
Speaker A:Stuck in the cab of the truck, and they're like, he's pinned.
Speaker A:It's the name of Juan Carlos Cotto's next episode is Pinned.
Speaker B:That's cute.
Speaker A:And I was like, I see what you're doing there.
Speaker A:You're dropping little Easter eggs.
Speaker A:I'm picking them up.
Speaker A:I understand.
Speaker A:Stuff like that just tickles me.
Speaker A:I have no idea when in the.
Speaker A:The process of.
Speaker A:Of writing all these things that they, like, come up with the titles or.
Speaker B:Based on how they do things, currently, not very far in advance.
Speaker A:But maybe he had the idea maybe already, and he was like, yes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Themes, Themes.
Speaker A:Talk about a flash.
Speaker A:Am I right?
Speaker A:Of the flames and the fallout of that.
Speaker C:And if you haven't guessed it, the theme of this episode is fallout.
Speaker C:Everyone cheered.
Speaker C:Okay, so, yeah, we.
Speaker A:We go.
Speaker C:You know, we go through the episode walking with our three mains, through the fallout of some of their storylines and their adverse side effects and results of the situations that they've been.
Speaker C:So that's one of the big main themes of the episode.
Speaker B:And literal fallout.
Speaker C:Oh, and literal fallout from the calls, too.
Speaker B:I noticed that there were a lot of things out of place, things where they shouldn't be, like meteors and your body when they were supposed to land.
Speaker B:The episode starts off with, like, there's a meteor shower, but don't worry, it's landing in the Pacific.
Speaker B:That was really far off from the Pacific, bro.
Speaker B:You know, hen's not the 118.
Speaker B:So everything feels a little off.
Speaker B:Like, chimney especially feels off.
Speaker B:Cobalt 60 was not on the manifest.
Speaker B:There's a lot of other things, but those were, like, the big ones.
Speaker A:No, I've.
Speaker A:I think I've brought that up in a couple other episodes as well.
Speaker A:Like, that is.
Speaker A:That is a thing, like, throughout the season, things out of place, and then.
Speaker B:Serendipity, it's good things happen, Happening accidentally.
Speaker B:So, you know, I. I think that for these characters, like, luckily, out of bad situations, good things do end up happening, or they make good things out of bad things.
Speaker B:So I don't know that you would use the word serendipity for that when you're.
Speaker B:When you're doing something on purpose, but I think it's very much just like how you look at it if you're a believer in the universe or not.
Speaker B:So Ann and Eddie are not believers in serendipity.
Speaker B:They're not.
Speaker A:Which is so funny because Karen is.
Speaker A:And she's the scientist.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:And she's literally the rocket scientist.
Speaker A:She contains multitudes.
Speaker A:I love her.
Speaker A:So, yes, kind of.
Speaker A:Kind of like with fallout being like the larger umbrella theme of the episode, there's consequence, dealing with consequences.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that's like living with the trauma that you have, which is like, the consequences of, like, what has happened to you.
Speaker A:And then that also.
Speaker A:That kind of comes with, like, living with the what ifs.
Speaker A:So, like, how the consequences could have been different or the outcomes could have been different if something else happens, but also consequences of living with yourself and the things that you've done in the past.
Speaker A:Oh, and with.
Speaker A:With consequences, like feeling responsible.
Speaker A:There's a lot of our characters feeling responsible for things that aren't necessarily their fault.
Speaker A:That also, I think, plays into this theme that we've been seeing through the last number of episodes, which would be, like, control or lack thereof, and, you know, maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe taking on the responsibility even though something was out of your control.
Speaker A:And then there's a little bit of a theme of, like, a crisis of faith.
Speaker A:And whether that's a lack.
Speaker A:A crisis of faith in yourself or just like, whatever you believe in, like.
Speaker A:Like your other people, like hen loses faith in herself.
Speaker A:Like, she has to trust her instincts.
Speaker A:I know there was more to that.
Speaker A:I didn't write any down.
Speaker A:So just make.
Speaker A:Just play with that.
Speaker A:Play with that.
Speaker A:Then we also have a big theme of therapy and going to therapy.
Speaker B:I would love to bring this theme back.
Speaker A:Yes, let's.
Speaker A:Please.
Speaker A:So how to again, live with the trauma, but, like, healthy coping mechanisms, maybe, and how to deal with the.
Speaker A:The side effects and the results of the consequences of your own actions.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's also kind of tied together as well.
Speaker A:And then just like a couple other little things that I caught on but do not have currently have the brain cells to expand on, but stuff about, like, enemies, especially after, like, the.
Speaker A:The lawsuit episode where we had, like, people against people.
Speaker A:Like that theme of.
Speaker A:Of if you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
Speaker A:Like, like the company of the recycling truck place and maze essay.
Speaker A:Living with the enemy.
Speaker A:And then saviors searching for someone to save.
Speaker A:Or rather, I think the better way to word that is healers doing harm.
Speaker B:That makes more sense.
Speaker B:Yeah, I was like, savior's searching for someone to save.
Speaker B:That's the show.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:I think I just liked the illiteration.
Speaker B:Tired.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna let her have it.
Speaker A:Healers.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:What did I say?
Speaker B:It was more alliteration.
Speaker A:Like healers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Healers doing harm.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, not intentionally.
Speaker A:Well, mostly intentionally.
Speaker B:Intentionally.
Speaker A:And gratitude kind of, I feel like, goes a little bit with serendipity.
Speaker A:But when you.
Speaker A:When something like that is serendipitous happens and you're able to find a moment of gratitude for that is really nice as well.
Speaker A:And I think we see some of the characters, like, understand that.
Speaker A:I mean, it's mostly hen and then anticipation.
Speaker A:So not knowing a moment is important until later.
Speaker A:Like, hindsight biases.
Speaker A:2020.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker A:That's all I got.
Speaker A:That's all I got.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I was just waiting for you to be done.
Speaker B:I noticed that breaking cycles was kind of a theme here, specifically with Athena and Michael, with how, like, we don't know anything about Michael's parents, but we know about Athena's parents.
Speaker B:And, you know, when they were having that conversation about, like, what.
Speaker B:How they agreed to raise their kids to, you know, tldr.
Speaker B:Support them no matter what, even if they don't agree with them, you know, so breaking that cycle, where we know that, you know, Athena's mom very much did not do that.
Speaker B:And that's actually like, a common thing with, like, I think a lot of older parents, like older generations, but it's very much like they had a plan for their kids.
Speaker B:And, you know, if you're not following that plan or you're not falling in line with their beliefs, then it's a problem.
Speaker B:It's a point of contention.
Speaker B:So them.
Speaker B:Them making the conscious effort to break that cycle and.
Speaker B:And do better and be different.
Speaker B:And then we see that as well with Eddie when he's in his therapy session.
Speaker B:And we'll talk more about that when we get to Eddie and therapy.
Speaker A:And also Maddie, too, a little bit.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Because she's trying to help Tara break the cycle.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess.
Speaker B:I. Yeah, she is, because Maddie has.
Speaker A:Broken the cycle for herself.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she's trying to, like, pay it forward.
Speaker A:Yeah, that one doesn't work out so well.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker B:I mean, she saves the guy's life, so she won't live with regret about that.
Speaker B:But, like, she went back to the guy.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Listen, Maddie tried.
Speaker A:Maddie redeemed herself.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Hey, where's the fire?
Speaker A:Okay, so I think we're gonna mix things up a little bit.
Speaker A:We're going to go straight into our scene dissection.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, I just looked at my notes, and instead of typing Frank, it says Frack.
Speaker A:Says Frack.
Speaker A:Therapy session.
Speaker B:Where's Frick?
Speaker A:He's late for his appointment.
Speaker A:So for our scene dissection, we're.
Speaker A:We're going to be talking about the therapy montage with Pen, Maddie and Eddie, with Frank, the therapist who we get introduced to.
Speaker A:And I. I think this scene is really interesting because it shows, like, the three characters and how they're in therapy for very, very different reasons.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:And they, like, state it, but similar reasons.
Speaker A:Yes, like, similar.
Speaker A:Similar reasons because all three, like we said in themes, like, all three of them are people who have dedicated, like, their lives to helping and healing people.
Speaker A:However, they have all, like, taken lives or almost taken life.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm assuming Eddie has shot people while he was in the army.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So all.
Speaker A:All three of these.
Speaker B:I believe he says that at some point.
Speaker A:So, like, all three of these people.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But most recently, Eddie almost did with the fight club and knocking that guy's nose into his brain, which is a talent.
Speaker A:And so, like, they're really doing the exact opposite of their purpose.
Speaker A:And, like, these are the consequences of those actions.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Even though some of them were intentional, some of them not as intentional.
Speaker A:So them being in therapy is really, like, how do they deal with the.
Speaker A:The fact that, like, they're.
Speaker A:They've done something so inherently, like, contradictory to, like, one of their core.
Speaker A:Core pillars.
Speaker B:It's against their prime directive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think that the show has done therapy scenes, especially when it's more than one character in therapy and they're going, like, back and forth so well, and they need to do it again.
Speaker B:And next season would be such a good opportunity for them to do it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:But the way they do this scene is so fucking cool.
Speaker B:The way they.
Speaker B:And they kind of did this, I think, in season one, when it was flashing back and forth from, I think, Buck and Athena and Athena and Michael.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Where it was kind of like they were finishing each other's train of thoughts or sentences and then going.
Speaker B:So it was like, such a smart use of dialogue and storytelling.
Speaker B:It's so good.
Speaker A:They've done this kind of thing a few times, but in more humorous situations as well, with Ocean's 911 and when they're all going to Bobby at the.
Speaker A:At the end of.
Speaker A:Yeah, the end of season two.
Speaker A:And I was trying to look up what, like, if there's a term for this where they keep flipping between characters but it's all one cohesive dialogue.
Speaker A:And I. I just couldn't find the right search term.
Speaker A:So if anybody knows if.
Speaker A:If this.
Speaker A:There is an actual, like, film writing term for.
Speaker A:For this, I guess it would be like, film, like, let me know, because that would be really cool.
Speaker B:It starts with Hen pulling her best Peter Parker.
Speaker B:Everywhere I go, I see his face.
Speaker B:Every time I close my eyes, you see her face.
Speaker B:So she keeps reliving the moment, like, while she's awake and while she's asleep, she's having nightmares, reliving it in slow motion and having it be even more dramatized.
Speaker B:So, like, I think in the last episode, we talked about how they used slow motion.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To, like, kind of show what it felt like from her point of view.
Speaker B:So the fact that, like, now in her dreams, it's even more slow motion to kind of, like, torture and punish herself is crazy.
Speaker A:And it really shows, like, how that moment from the last episode was like those, those slow mo cuts was really from Hen's point of view, especially if you're, like, ruminating it over and over again.
Speaker A:Because, like, you know, sometimes if you.
Speaker A:If you drop something, you see it happen in slow motion.
Speaker A:Even though, like, that's not how time works, but, like, your memory of it, your memory of it gets distorted.
Speaker A:And I think that's what she's kind of doing to herself a little bit as well.
Speaker A:Because, you know, like, later on she says, like, she doesn't remember pushing the button.
Speaker A:And I think that's one of the things that she's beating herself up so much with.
Speaker B:She's probably going over and over the memory to, like, try and remember if she did push it and she can't remember doing it.
Speaker B:Do you want me to just go down in order of the dialogue?
Speaker B:Because I feel like, oh, sure, that might be easier because then we can also talk about the connecting lines because I think they're all really good.
Speaker B:So as she's talking about, like, having this dream, right?
Speaker B:She's like, the injuries are happening while the car is crumbling around her.
Speaker B:What is that?
Speaker B:And then it flashes to Eddie going, it's not normal, right?
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker B:And then he says something which is kind of just like the textbook definition of depression.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I'm like, eddie, honey, do you hear yourself?
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:He's literally like, all good things are happening and I can't enjoy them.
Speaker B:That's literally depression, bro.
Speaker B:That's in my notes.
Speaker B:That's depression, bro.
Speaker C:You know?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:What's really funny about, like, this, I think about like, the.
Speaker C:The injury that this.
Speaker C:That this girl gets Olivia from, you know, the meteor shower.
Speaker C:Like, how, like, her wound had cauterized and, like, the reason why she's not feeling all the pain, so, like, all the nerves and everything, like, it's just you know, basically all sealed up and everything, so not feeling any pain.
Speaker C:So I, like, tied that back into, like, Eddie and the fight club over here because he's, like, just numb to it.
Speaker C:And that's kind of what he says in here.
Speaker C:He says, we save someone from dying.
Speaker C:My kid does something awesome.
Speaker C:It's moments where I should be happy or proud or both.
Speaker C:I know that, but I just don't feel it.
Speaker C:So I'm like.
Speaker C:So that felt like such an interesting, like, tie into for him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Alexa played Numb by Linkin Park.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Become so numb.
Speaker C:He is, though.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's kind of perfect.
Speaker B:The problem is, is not to keep going on this metaphor, but it's a good one.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:Yeah, he is.
Speaker A:He is numb.
Speaker B:He's like, the opposite.
Speaker B:But it is almost like he made himself depressed by pushing down all of these feelings and not addressing them or dealing with them because he was such a. I think I remember at the beginning of the season talking about how he was, like, a raw nerve, like an exposed nerve.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, like, if you think about that, how, like, all of hers were, like, closed off, and that's why she wasn't feeling any pain.
Speaker B:So it's like he kind of did that to himself, but to his own detriment.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker C:Yeah, and.
Speaker A:But also, like, if we're still going with, you know, like, the meteor creating a whole.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:Like, no, it's.
Speaker A:It's also so interesting, too, because, like, so often therapy is, like, hollowing yourself out.
Speaker A:You're, like, digging out all of these, like, innermost things and just, like, you know, presenting it and just being like, okay, well, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm hollowing myself out so I can, you know, be better in the future.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it's also, like, Cotter therapy is like a hollowing out but cauterizing at the same time.
Speaker A:So therapy is the meteor.
Speaker B:It's the meteor metaphor.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're not.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:I think that's on purpose.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, I think that's very much on purpose, but that's.
Speaker B:That's pretty good.
Speaker B:So then.
Speaker B:Then Frank says all the.
Speaker B:Like, there's no one right way to deal with trauma.
Speaker B:There's lots of wrong ways.
Speaker B:Eddie's discovered many of them.
Speaker A:And he's not done.
Speaker B:No, he's definitely not.
Speaker B:But then he says, all the first responders.
Speaker B:I council process it differently.
Speaker B:And then Maddie's like, but you all say the same stuff.
Speaker B:You try and press the same buttons.
Speaker B:And we find that this is her third session recently.
Speaker B:Like, we know that she did a bunch of, you know, therapy back in season two.
Speaker A:This is the mandated ones, but this.
Speaker B:Is her third mandated.
Speaker B:And Frank's like, are you not finding therapy helpful?
Speaker B:And she talks about, like, she used to, like, you know, right after everything with Doug happened, and she did all of it.
Speaker B:Talk therapy, group theory, cognitive processing, which I think was like, cbt, cognitive behavior, behavioral therapy.
Speaker B:She spent six months just talking about my feelings.
Speaker B:That sounds like mine and Eddie's nightmare.
Speaker A:But, like, if we.
Speaker A:If we think back to, you know, like, two, like, 14 and stuff, when.
Speaker A:When she.
Speaker A:Like that time when she and Buck were having lunch or something in the diner, and she's just like, I'm so done with talking about my feelings.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not sure she really was, like, thinking that it was working for her because she was just like, I just want to be done talking about this stuff.
Speaker A:So, like, I don't know if she's being, like, as, like, super truthful or she's just, like, understanding the benefits of what that was doing for her.
Speaker A:Like, in hindsight, like, looking back, I.
Speaker B:Think it's a bit of both, because I think it did help her, but I don't think she was completely honest.
Speaker B:Like, she ends up being at the end of this episode, you know, about all of her feelings about it.
Speaker B:So, like, your therapist can only help you with what you tell them.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker A:You know the name of the game.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he says, why do you keep coming back?
Speaker B:And she's like, I was already here by my boss.
Speaker B:Then we flash to Hen saying, I know I need help to process this.
Speaker B:And then to Eddie, who says, I don't want my kid to be like me.
Speaker B:So I think I love when they do this shit, because it's one question.
Speaker B:It's all three of their answers.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:It's just so good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's like, they told me I have to be.
Speaker B:Hen is very much healthy.
Speaker B:Like, I need help to process this.
Speaker B:And Eddie's like, obviously it's about his kid, because, like, otherwise, he wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think.
Speaker A:I think that's so well done to have that question be answered by all of them, because shows so much of their character.
Speaker A:Like, so much about their character just with one line, but also, like, Their character motivations for so much.
Speaker B:So Eddie talks about his reason for being there.
Speaker B:I don't want my kid to be like me because what have we always said about Eddie?
Speaker B:He hates himself.
Speaker B:But specifically, there's an incident that's making him feel like this.
Speaker B:And he talks about it like how Chris is always happy and open, ready to share every thought in his head.
Speaker B:But his kid was hurting, he was in pain, and he felt like he had to hide it from him, and that's not okay.
Speaker B:Like, he doesn't want him to have to do that.
Speaker B:And I thought that this was so interesting.
Speaker C:Is this, like, one of those moments?
Speaker C:To me, like, it feels like one of those moments when you see, like, where it's like, Chris is a mirror of Eddie in a way.
Speaker C:That's how I interpret that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think I was reading a lot of what Eddie was saying because it was so centered around Chris, but I think it could so easily be taken as, like, a thinly veiled projection.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, he's.
Speaker A:He's talking about himself through Christopher, and that's, like, the easiest way for him to open up.
Speaker B:So he is saying, without really saying it, that this is how he had to be as a kid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He had to hide his own feelings and pretend he was okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:The only difference is that he is not his parents, because with his parents, he had to act like he was okay.
Speaker C:But with him, like, he wants Chris to open up.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, he doesn't want.
Speaker C:Therefore, he doesn't want Chris to be like him.
Speaker B:It's obviously different situations because, like, Eddie did it because he didn't want to deal with whatever the negative.
Speaker B:Negative ramifications were of him expressing his feelings.
Speaker B:So I'm sure it was some version of Boys Don't Cry and that kind of bullshit coming from Ramon.
Speaker B:So, you know, and he had to be the man of the house, so he did.
Speaker B:He just had to suck it up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So unfortunately, you know, we've talked about this too, where, like, Christopher is such an observant kid.
Speaker B:So he has observed his father sucking it up to not make his problems other people's problems and just mirrored that behavior.
Speaker B:And just.
Speaker B:He loves his dad, and his dad was already sad, and he didn't want to make him.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's like a.
Speaker A:It's like a classic thing of Eddie trying so hard to be something and do something this certain way to break those cycles, but it kind of ends up backfiring because by trying to allow Chris to be better than him, he still And I think we've said this before, too.
Speaker A:He likes, neglects himself.
Speaker A:And then Christopher picks up on these kind of, like, learned behaviors because he is so intrinsically observant.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So Eddie just, you know, his.
Speaker B:His prime directive, if you will, not to just repeat myself earlier, is.
Speaker B:Is to make sure that Chris is happy, healthy, safe.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So he's healthy and safe, but he's unhappy.
Speaker B:And the fact that his kid was in pain and hid it from him and that it was because of him is killing him.
Speaker B:And you can tell because he starts crying in front of a stranger, which is just, you know, not an Eddy thing to do.
Speaker B:I don't think we ever see him really cry in front of anyone that isn't Bobby.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he felt.
Speaker B:He said he felt like he had to hide that from me.
Speaker B:Pretend he was okay.
Speaker B:Starts, like, sniffing, clearing his throat because he's trying not to cry.
Speaker B:He does his lip thing, and then he says, I don't want that for him because it's very much.
Speaker B:Yeah, he doesn't want that for Chris.
Speaker B:But it's like he doesn't want Chris to feel the way.
Speaker B:To ever feel the way that he did in any way growing up.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker B:So that's why he's putting himself through something that he wouldn't for any other reason.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's like it's.
Speaker A:It's so almost.
Speaker A:Almost.
Speaker A:It's heartbreaking and it's kind of frustrating because it's.
Speaker A:It's self betterment, but not for himself.
Speaker A:He's enduring it so he can be better for Christopher.
Speaker A:And, you know, then we have Hen, who is doing this for herself, like, voluntarily.
Speaker A:And then you have Maddie, who's being told.
Speaker A:Ordered to do it, but then she, like, shows growth in the end by choosing to return.
Speaker A:So her.
Speaker A:Her, like, motivation changes at that point.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And yeah, it's like.
Speaker A:It's like Henry Hen is able to find a way to process.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Maddie chooses to return because she wants to be honest about her feelings.
Speaker A:And Eddie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He goes again when he's made to.
Speaker A:Still.
Speaker B:Still my dude.
Speaker A:Still dealing with it.
Speaker B:Like, I. I don't know how Frank didn't.
Speaker B:I guess if he's a therapist and not a psychiatrist, he can't prescribe medication.
Speaker B:But, like, if he was a psychiatrist and he didn't take one look at Eddie and write him an SSRI prescription.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Like, his.
Speaker A:His is, like, textbook.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:He literally walked in there, said the definition of depression, and then.
Speaker A:And then said But I'm here for my fan.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, like, but enough about me.
Speaker B:Let's talk about my kid.
Speaker C:But also me, but via.
Speaker C:It's about my kid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Via the metaphor of my child.
Speaker B:Like, to wrap up the scene, we kind of have our last, you know, 1, 2, 3 answers.
Speaker B:Maddie says, I violated department policy, violated a woman's trust, and I am really sorry for under on her.
Speaker B:Super.
Speaker B:Meaning that you decide.
Speaker A:Like, I think she is sorry.
Speaker B:I think she's sorry that she got.
Speaker B:She got caught.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's sorry she did it.
Speaker B:No, she was trying to help.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then we get.
Speaker B:I almost killed a guy with my bare hands, and I killed a young girl in the prime of her life.
Speaker B:And then we get finally a glimpse into the actual what's going on with Maddie.
Speaker B:She says, I survived.
Speaker B:Doug didn't.
Speaker A:I just love having the three of them be the.
Speaker A:The focal point for this episode because they're.
Speaker A:They've all gone through, like, at the.
Speaker A:At the core of it, like, something kind of similar with, like, the taking of.
Speaker A:Of a life, yet we're able to explore it in so many different ways.
Speaker A:And I think that's really well done and really, like, it's like, this is a fantastic, just like, character study scene, but also just like character study episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, agreed.
Speaker A:We can move on to who's cooking.
Speaker B:Who's cooking.
Speaker A:All right, so now we'll get into more of the character arcs, keeping in mind what we've just discussed with the therapy stuff.
Speaker A:So Bobby sitting hand down and.
Speaker A:And him telling her what, like, the official ruling of the investigation is and how she's.
Speaker A:She is officially absolved of all responsibility because they figured out what happened and it was like the circuit thing didn't.
Speaker A:Didn't go.
Speaker A:So it.
Speaker A:So she did press the button.
Speaker A:And I think it's so interesting that she later on with Karen says, like, I don't remember pressing the button.
Speaker A:And yet it's in the report.
Speaker A:Karen says that as well, but it's.
Speaker A:It's different when it's like, sure, the report can say she's obviously not putting a lot of.
Speaker A:A lot of trust in the report because she needs to put trust in herself or she needs to regain that trust in herself and her own instincts, but she doesn't remember pressing the button because it's something so instinctual, so habitual for her, and she just can't let that go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I mean, Karen makes a great point.
Speaker B:She's like, did you remember putting your seatbelt on?
Speaker B:Like, I brushed my teeth this morning, but I don't remember doing it.
Speaker B:Like, you know, there's just so many, like, things that we do every day that we don't remember doing but assume that we did them.
Speaker B:So it still doesn't get through to her because it's.
Speaker B:You know, she might not legally be at fault, but she still feels like it is her fault because, like, I mean, she's like, I hit her.
Speaker B:Like, she still did.
Speaker B:Like, she was the person who hit her.
Speaker B:So, yeah, that's gonna weigh on your conscience, especially for someone like Hen, who's dedicated so much of her life to helping people, to healing people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, she has that.
Speaker B:The conversation with Bobby where, like, she doesn't look relieved at all.
Speaker B:And Bobby's like, you just take.
Speaker B:Take the time that you need and, like, come back when you're ready.
Speaker B:And then she has this really lovely talk with Chim.
Speaker A:I love seeing them.
Speaker B:I need more head and Chim together like that.
Speaker A:Yes, please.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It was just.
Speaker A:It was so lovely to see Jim being so supportive of her and imparting that, like, nugget of wisdom that he received from Eli, however many years ago that is obviously stayed with him.
Speaker A:And he gives, like, Hen, like, some of the nicest compliment, being like, there's.
Speaker A:There's no one better at healing people than you and that the world needs her, but.
Speaker A:But so does he.
Speaker A:And there's.
Speaker A:There's an emphasis on.
Speaker A:On Chimney wanting to get her.
Speaker A:To get her back to feeling herself so.
Speaker A:So they can, like, be a team again.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:So he can support her, too.
Speaker B:He makes me.
Speaker B:He makes me tear up at the end.
Speaker B:And when she tears up, I'm like, so valid.
Speaker B:Me too, girl.
Speaker B:So Karen takes her on a retreat with no crystals.
Speaker A:Bummer.
Speaker B:Thankfully, no crystals.
Speaker B:Where she runs into Stacy, who we met in Hen begins was her life coach.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:It's just so funny to me that she ever had a life coach.
Speaker B:And Stacy is, like, thrilled.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Beyond.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And insists on, like, treating them to dinner.
Speaker B:And, like, Karen has to, like, talk her into it because she's like, what am I supposed to do?
Speaker B:Show up and small talk?
Speaker B:And it's like, what have you been up to?
Speaker B:Oh, well, I became a paramedic, and most recently, I killed someone.
Speaker A:Which, again, is factually and officially untrue.
Speaker A:But it doesn't.
Speaker A:It doesn't feel untrue to Hen, but, like, that was such a crazy line.
Speaker A:I loved her delivery of that, too.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:It felt so.
Speaker A:Just, like, fed up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she.
Speaker B:She goes, you know, because she she's gonna do anything Karen asks of her.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So she goes to dinner and Stacy does end up getting through to her, like, I think more than anything else has.
Speaker B:Talking about how, like, no.
Speaker B:Karen specifically asks her, like, you know, you had the near death experience or like, did you see anything?
Speaker B:And then she goes on this list of talking about all the things that she has seen, like, as in living her life, like she got a second chance at life because of Henry.
Speaker A:And I thought that was so beautiful.
Speaker B:It's so beautiful.
Speaker B:It's exactly what you're supposed to feel when you're watching the your voice matters montage.
Speaker B:But this was serendipitous and not like an illegal thing that your co worker and boss put together.
Speaker B:So I just thought it was.
Speaker B:It was a really lovely scene because you don't see a lot of follow up of, like, the difference that you make in someone's life.
Speaker B:And I think just because she has been doing this for so long and this was the first person she saved, like, there's so much of a life to be.
Speaker B:Like, my daughter got married, I got to meet my grandkids, I got to travel the world.
Speaker B:Like, that's so much stuff to be like, oh, wow.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker B:She was able to do all of that because I saved her.
Speaker B:Like, that's a, A really good, like, dose of perspective.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like reality, I think, to like, kind of tug her out of the guilt spiral.
Speaker A:I think also for Hen, who we always say is like the best compartmentalizer and this is the perfect opportunity for her to really go beyond those glass doors.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Idea that was set up in season one.
Speaker A:Because I think she crosses that boundary the least frequently out of an.
Speaker A:Out of everybody else, if, If I'm making that general statement correctly.
Speaker A:But so I think.
Speaker A:I think this, like, really clues her into, you know, what happens beyond those glass doors.
Speaker A:And, and it.
Speaker A:It comes at a, at a perfect moment for her because it's just like it.
Speaker A:It really instills the idea of, you know, ruminating on the what ifs.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That we see a lot in this episode.
Speaker A:So for Hen to now think, like, what if she didn't save or couldn't save Stacy's life way back when, Stacy would not have been able to do all of these things that made her so happy and made other people happy.
Speaker A:So like, for Hen, the, like the reach of her.
Speaker A:What am I trying to say?
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The reach of her actions.
Speaker B:The ripple effect.
Speaker A:Yes, thank you.
Speaker A:The ripple effect is exponential, like, in a way that she.
Speaker A:I don't think really fully thought about or.
Speaker A:Or understood quite to that extent before.
Speaker A:And I also just like really think it's so interesting that it's Karen who is so kind of like insistent on believing in this idea of serendipity and near death experiences.
Speaker A:Like, did you see anything, you know, like, like on the other side sort of stuff?
Speaker A:I think that's so interesting, especially because she is the scientist as well.
Speaker A:So she's like, you would think, very logic based.
Speaker A:But we see this kind of like spiritual, almost like mystical side of her as well that I think is such a great counterbalance to.
Speaker A:Hence it is.
Speaker B:It's also how I know that whenever the 118 has gatherings that Buck and Hen are in a corner somewhere talking about random facts and metaphysical shit.
Speaker A:Wait, Buck and Hen or Buck and Karen?
Speaker B:Sorry, Buck and Karen.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker A:I believe in full moons and.
Speaker A:Oh yes, I believe in serendipity.
Speaker A:How serendipitous of this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:I watched this documentary on blah blah, blah, science thing.
Speaker B:And they'll talk about that.
Speaker A:Like pseudosciences and.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Like actual science stuff.
Speaker B:But then it will also digress into.
Speaker B:Okay, but like aliens, right?
Speaker A:100%.
Speaker A:I would also be in that corner with that.
Speaker B:You would.
Speaker A:I'm not even gonna lie.
Speaker B:You would.
Speaker B:I would be in the corner with Eddie going, oh my God.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:So then we see them get home from the retreat in this really cute scene.
Speaker B:Or like they're complaining about the traffic and like you were supposed to go on the retreat to like, what did she say?
Speaker B:Recharge and reconnect.
Speaker B:And like we only got half of the equation.
Speaker B:And she's saying, kind of saying to Karen like, I feel like you got shortchanged.
Speaker A:So Karen says I did.
Speaker B:Yeah, she says, she says that she did.
Speaker B:And then they have this really lovely conversation where it's like you see them reconnecting after which I'm so glad they had this conversation and it wasn't just like, oh, now that Hen's in crisis.
Speaker B:Like we never talk about Karen's feelings about this ever again.
Speaker B:Like it's just dropped.
Speaker B:But she says all the stuff Stacey said about the living in the moment and being grateful for it.
Speaker B:I am.
Speaker B:I'm grateful for you and for Denny.
Speaker B:And Pen says, I was worried for a minute there that maybe we weren't enough and I was worried I wasn't enough for you.
Speaker A:They like, don't they share that sentiment?
Speaker A:They do each other.
Speaker B:Like Karen flips it around and is like, like you could go find, find somebody else.
Speaker B:I know that most of that was the hormones talking, but, like, they're really loud.
Speaker B:It's so cute.
Speaker B:And then Hen says, like, such a romantic thing and then their kid interrupts them.
Speaker B:So it's just classic parent stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's like, I never cared about how many kids that we, we had.
Speaker B:I just wanted, I just care that we had them together.
Speaker A:So, like, they may not have been able to, to do that reconnection on the retreat, but by talking about it now, they are connecting in that way.
Speaker A:They're, they're communicating the way that they normally do as, as true partners.
Speaker A:It's like them confiding in each other with that vulnerability of like, I, each of them thinking, like, I didn't feel like I was enough.
Speaker A:But now that they both recognize that in themselves and in each other, they can, they can move forward with that as well in, like, a healthy way, which is, which is so nice.
Speaker A:So, like, that retreat really did do what it was supposed to do for them.
Speaker B:Let me just see at the end of the episode that Hen comes back to work and everyone greets her with cheers and big giant hugs.
Speaker B:And then like the bell goes off almost immediately, of course.
Speaker A:And you said the cue word.
Speaker B:And like, she's going to the ambulance with Jim and he's like, walking, like he's going to be driving.
Speaker B:And she's like, no, I got it.
Speaker B:So, like, she's back.
Speaker B:She's really worked through it and she, she's, you know, literally back on the horse.
Speaker B:Like, she's not, she's not like, skating around, skirting around the trigger that it could be to drive it again.
Speaker B:She's just got head on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's got her confidence back in herself and her abilities.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it really shows, like, how she accomplished what she set out to do in therapy, which was to learn how to process it.
Speaker A:And she is.
Speaker A:I mean, not that that's ever like a finished thing necessarily, but, like, she has processed it to the best of her abilities and now she has figured out the best way for her to move on.
Speaker A:And I really do love that scene at the end where she gets the welcome back.
Speaker A:I think that's so cute.
Speaker A:And I know in my heart that that was barely any acting.
Speaker C:Oh, for sure.
Speaker A:Like, you hear all.
Speaker A:You hear Oliver's like, true belly laugh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, his little hyacla, his movement when.
Speaker B:He'S like, like shaking everybody in the.
Speaker A:In the big hug.
Speaker A:I'm just like, oh, yeah, this is.
Speaker A:This is not.
Speaker C:This is just Oliver hugging Aisha, giving.
Speaker C:Giving Aisha all of the flowers.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think.
Speaker A:I think it's all of them, like, as themselves because they're like.
Speaker A:It sounds like the genuine laugh that we hear from the behind the scenes videos as well.
Speaker A:So I'm just like, oh, well, no.
Speaker B:One else got to film with her except for the one scene that like, you know, she had with Bobby and with Jim.
Speaker B:So I'm sure Oliver missed his bestie for the however many weeks they were working on it.
Speaker A:Who knows?
Speaker B:Maddie.
Speaker A:Oh, Maddie, girl, what are we doing?
Speaker B:You is not okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, she says she's sorry, but she's not really.
Speaker A:She's.
Speaker A:So as opposed to hen, who is very genuinely, like, searching a way to, like, process things.
Speaker A:Maddie is just like, I'm doing this because I have to be here going through the motions kind of, and just like the bare minimum for like the therapy stuff and trying to move on but not processing anything.
Speaker A:Like, you know, maybe the.
Speaker A:The root reasons why she did what she did and in stalking Tara and.
Speaker B:It'S like someone else we know.
Speaker A:And that's why.
Speaker A:That's why this episode is so great because it has like the hen parallels, but the Maddie parallels, the Eddie parallels, the Bobby parallels.
Speaker A:We'll talk about that later.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And so like, she's.
Speaker A:She's back from her, what, like, suspension at Dispatch.
Speaker A:Everything's kind of like back to normal.
Speaker A:She's like, joking with Josh.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's these like, small character interactions that I love.
Speaker A:And like after her first shift, she gets.
Speaker A:Or during the first shift, I forget which, she gets the call from Tara, which is probably like the last person that she expected to hear from.
Speaker A:But I think she knows immediately, like, how bad it must be if she is Tara's call to.
Speaker A:To help with what has transpired.
Speaker A:So Maddie is like, then put in a really weird position, right?
Speaker A:So, I mean, like, she kind of.
Speaker B:Asked to be put in this position by inserting herself into the situation a little bit.
Speaker A:Oh, she did, she did.
Speaker A:But I don't think she realized what that would truly entail.
Speaker A:So, like, she wasn't necessarily fully aware of the consequences of those actions in.
Speaker A:In this way where like now she's either gonna be like an accessory to murder potentially, because that's.
Speaker A:That's kind of what would have.
Speaker A:What would happen, you know, if Maddie wasn't, I don't know, like, necessarily a nurse and knows how to do these.
Speaker A:What was it?
Speaker A:Thor?
Speaker B:I always forget finger thoracotomy.
Speaker A:So she's.
Speaker A:She's in this position again where she can either like take a thoracostomy, sorry, finger thoracostomy.
Speaker A:She's in this position very similar to with Doug, but here she has more of a choice.
Speaker A:She's not the one in fight or flight response, maybe a little bit because Tara's waving the gun around, which is like fair.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But her life isn't really in danger.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker B:She isn't fighting for her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So yeah, she.
Speaker A:She is kind of like given this choice that she wasn't necessarily given with Doug because of, because she was fighting for her survival.
Speaker A:And, And I think because of, because of what happened with Doug.
Speaker A:She knows how if it goes a certain way, how it will affect Tara because she's living in those consequences right now.
Speaker A:Like, even though she didn't have a choice, it was life or death situation, she's still very much living with it.
Speaker B:And Tara says it was self defense.
Speaker B:And Madika's, that is what you're going to tell yourself a million times, but you will never completely believe it.
Speaker B:Look, I killed my husband.
Speaker B:And I wish that I didn't.
Speaker B:I wish I didn't have to.
Speaker B:And then Tara says, but you survived though.
Speaker B:I mean, you're free.
Speaker B:And Maddie says, I kill someone I used to love, I will never be completely free of that.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's always.
Speaker A:It's always going to be.
Speaker A:Be there.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I think, yeah, there's just like an aspect of permanence with all.
Speaker A:With.
Speaker A:Well, that seems like a stupid thing to say because death is permanent for most people.
Speaker A:There are exceptions, but.
Speaker A:But like there, there's such like a permanence to, you know, a character like all three of these with Hannah, Maddie and Eddie, like, having taken a life and that's just something that they have to live with and they're never going to be like, you know, you can't, you can't put all the things back in the.
Speaker A:In the Pandora's box once it's been opened.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's just like is part of you is gonna live with you.
Speaker B:Because killing someone is still killing someone, no matter how justified it is in protecting yourself, but especially if it's someone that you used to love.
Speaker B:There's always just gonna be some layer of complicated feelings about that.
Speaker A:I think understatement.
Speaker B:And when she's in the hospital with Buck later, he says like a finger Thor cost me, it's kind of badass.
Speaker B:Come on, you saved a guy's life, you know, one who seriously did not deserve it.
Speaker B:And she says, no, nobody deserves to die.
Speaker B:So I think it's not just that she killed someone.
Speaker B:She killed someone she used to love.
Speaker B:It's like, she's a nurse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She literally took an oath to do no harm.
Speaker B:So, you know, it's not just the being a first responder.
Speaker B:It's like she was a nurse, she was a medical professional.
Speaker B:Like, I think it's just part of her more than it would just be another random person to do no harm.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she.
Speaker A:I think it's a little bit, like, as much as she's doing this for Tara, like, she's saving him for.
Speaker A:Because she's.
Speaker A:She's a nurse and she doesn't want to do any harm, but she's also doing it for Tara.
Speaker A:I think a little bit of.
Speaker A:Of it is saving Vincent.
Speaker A:Maddie's doing that for herself.
Speaker A:Like a little bit of redemption.
Speaker A:Almost like a.
Speaker A:Like balancing the scales, maybe.
Speaker B:I see what you're saying, but I don't know that I really agree.
Speaker C:When I think about, like, Maddie and.
Speaker C:And for this particular storyline, I do think about, like, why she started this, like, in the first place.
Speaker C:Like, you know, she.
Speaker C:She was triggered by that call, like, hearing.
Speaker C:Hearing Tara at the beginning of all of that.
Speaker C:And, like, I feel like she did, like.
Speaker C:Yes, I think we all agree, like.
Speaker B:What she did was bad, but, like.
Speaker C:She did it with, like, good intention.
Speaker A:I think we.
Speaker C:We can say that she did it with good intentions.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:And her intent was, like, to help this woman who was, like, in the same situation that she was in.
Speaker C:Clearly, she did it in all the wrong ways.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:But, like, I think this.
Speaker C:This kind of like, flips it.
Speaker C:Like, what happens here at the end by her saving Vincent, it does kind of.
Speaker C:I do think it kind of does redeem her in a way, because, like, one.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker C:So she saves Tara in a way where she's not.
Speaker C:She doesn't have to go through the trauma of.
Speaker C:Of killing someone.
Speaker C:That's how she saves her.
Speaker C:Even though she goes back to him, but she's saving.
Speaker C:She's saving her from having to deal with that at the end.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because if there's one thing she did, that's the one thing that she was able to do.
Speaker A:That's the cycle that she broke.
Speaker A:Not necessarily like, the cycle of abuse, but she.
Speaker A:She broke the cycle of, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, Tara having to live with that kind of guilt.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I think the problem for me is that I think.
Speaker B:I don't know how much do we ever Address this again for her.
Speaker B:Can't remember.
Speaker A:I feel like this is you.
Speaker C:This is proper 911.
Speaker B:We don't.
Speaker C:Don't.
Speaker B:Okay, so it's true.
Speaker B:Just from her reaction, you know, because, like, it ends up that, you know, Vincent lies and says that he accidentally shot himself and that, you know, he does that because, like, he tells Tara that, like, he can forgive her and, like, they can be different or better or whatever.
Speaker B:So she's staying with him, and she tells Maddie that.
Speaker B:And Buck says, you want to stick around in case she needs you.
Speaker B:And she says, no, I can't help her anymore.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker B:So I really.
Speaker B:I really think.
Speaker B:I don't think she regrets saving Vincent, but I think that she doesn't feel like it's a redemption at all.
Speaker C:Because it's, like, not saying that she feels it.
Speaker A:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:No, but in a lot of way.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know the actual statistics, but, like, in a lot of domestic cases, I think.
Speaker B:I think we did talk about this at some point.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, women end up dead.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So she might have saved Vincent, but if Tara's going back to him and is now gonna have this held over her head, like, she can't ever leave.
Speaker B:So what's.
Speaker B:What's to say?
Speaker B:Like, he has more of the upper hand than ever?
Speaker B:Like, I just feel like it's a mess.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, that is.
Speaker A:That is a whole.
Speaker A:That is a whole ass mess.
Speaker A:Maybe for Maddie, it's also a little bit of a Breaking a cycle for her, of.
Speaker A:Of her feeling responsible for other people going through that when they.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Are not.
Speaker B:She realizes you cannot help them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They don't want to be helped.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker A:So I think.
Speaker A:I think it's.
Speaker A:It's definitely breaking that cycle of that for.
Speaker A:Within herself.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is unfortunate because it doesn't.
Speaker A:It doesn't have the happier ending.
Speaker B:I don't think there's any feeling of redemption, any feeling of, oh, I helped.
Speaker B:Any feeling of anything.
Speaker A:I understand that.
Speaker B:I think there is a lesson learned.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:But, like, I don't.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I see, like, narratively.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What you guys are saying.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think that's probably how we're thinking of it, like, more narratively, as opposed to, like, her.
Speaker A:Her inner.
Speaker A:Inner workings.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then she.
Speaker A:She has this, like, realization that, you know, she can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped anymore, and she chooses to go back to Frank, which we talked about.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's A nice moment of growth for her, I really think.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she says, you see the meteorite girl?
Speaker B:What's her fucking name again?
Speaker A:Olivia.
Speaker B:She says, I used to have this hole inside me, but after having an.
Speaker A:Actual hole, I feel whole.
Speaker A:That was the funniest line.
Speaker B:And right after that, it cuts to.
Speaker B:To her back with Frank.
Speaker B:And Frank says, I was surprised you called.
Speaker B:Your next mandated session's not for another week.
Speaker B:And she says, I know.
Speaker B:I just really needed to talk.
Speaker B:And he says, okay, about.
Speaker B:And then she says how I really feel about killing my husband.
Speaker A:So finally, yay.
Speaker B:All she had to do was project onto someone else for how many episodes?
Speaker B:A few before she got here.
Speaker B:But, hey, she's in therapy willingly.
Speaker A:We got here.
Speaker B:Love that for her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, I think it's time for.
Speaker B:Oh, for Eddie.
Speaker A:For the it girl.
Speaker B:So, like, we already talked about his therapy.
Speaker B:Most of the stuff that I have to say about him at Bucks is gay.
Speaker B:So that's gonna be later.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I do think this is.
Speaker B:It is notable to say that, like, the only other, like, Big Eddie focused scene we have is him over at Bucks.
Speaker B:And, like, it happens right after Buck is with Maddie at the hospital and they start out talking about, you know, like, all the situation with Maddie.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I thought was so funny because it's directly referencing the last episode where Maddie was.
Speaker A:Was kind of like affronted at Chimney for basically sharing all of.
Speaker A:All of their, you know, stuff.
Speaker A:And meanwhile, Buck is also doing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's like, you can't tell hen because then hen might tell Buck and Buck will tell Eddie and Buck will tell Eddie.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But then Buck uses that to brilliantly segue to talk about, you know, how.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can't help people unless they want to be helped.
Speaker B:I think I'm just going to really loosely talk about this because it's mostly gay.
Speaker B:We have a moment where Buck sincerely apologizes and they talk about it.
Speaker B:And I think this is this moment with Buck and then playing video games with Chris is.
Speaker B:And Eddie literally says it.
Speaker B:This is my kind of therapy.
Speaker B:Like, it literally is.
Speaker B:It's still not.
Speaker B:He's not talking about stuff.
Speaker A:He's not processing things either.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:But it is a healthy coping mechanism.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because at least he's.
Speaker A:He's able to lean on his support systems, which is another, like, big theme of this.
Speaker A:Well, the show.
Speaker A:But like this season, specifically these last few episodes.
Speaker A:And yeah, it is.
Speaker A:It is interesting because when Buck does apologize for that, when you.
Speaker A:When it cuts to, like, Eddie's Reaction.
Speaker A:Like, it takes him a second to realize, like, Buck has kind of switched from talking about Maddie to, like, talking about him.
Speaker A:And he's kind of like, oh, we're still.
Speaker A:We're still doing that.
Speaker A:Like, I push that away just like everything else, but.
Speaker A:But, yeah, it seemed like he was.
Speaker A:He was so surprised that that was still weighing on Buck, that.
Speaker A:That Buck was still taking that responsibility.
Speaker B:So I guess the only other thing about Eddie individually.
Speaker B:So in the ending montage when he's leaving the house with Chris, he glances at the picture that's right by the door.
Speaker B:That's of Shannon and Chris at the beach.
Speaker B:And at that moment of the voiceover, Hen says there's always going to be pain and the fallout that comes with it.
Speaker B:So, yeah, that's literally just what's going on with Eddie right now.
Speaker B:And the lyrics of the national song that play at the moment where he's on screen says, put a little something in our lemonade and take it with us.
Speaker B:Like alcohol, we're half awake in a fake empire.
Speaker B:So I kind of look at that.
Speaker B:The meaning is, like, putting something in your drink to take it with you, like in a flask is like a coping mechanism to numb the pain.
Speaker B:And like, half awake in a fake empire is giving very.
Speaker B:Like, stumbling through life daydreaming or trying to distract yourself, painting a picture that isn't true for yourself and for, you know, to project to other people.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, that's Eddie.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's interesting too, because we see.
Speaker A:We see both.
Speaker A:Did I say this already?
Speaker A:We see.
Speaker A:We see Hen find growth because she's processed stuff.
Speaker A:We see Maddie find growth because she's choosing to actually address her.
Speaker A:Her feelings.
Speaker A:But Eddie's not there yet.
Speaker B:He's still not there.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Man'S never processed an emotion in his life.
Speaker B:Anyway, let's talk about Buck.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker B:So there's just a couple little things here.
Speaker B:He doesn't really have a storyline, but, like, a couple things were said about him or about him that I just wanted to address.
Speaker B:So when they're all in the loft at the.
Speaker B:At the station, he's asking, how's therapy with Frank?
Speaker B:Haven't seen him in a while.
Speaker B:That's pretty intention.
Speaker B:Which implies that Buck has been to therapy with Frank, which we've literally never heard about and we literally never do.
Speaker B:Like, the next time we hear about therapy and him, it's with Dr. Copeland next season.
Speaker A:So I guess that was for, like.
Speaker A:Like, for his leg, like after the.
Speaker A:The crush injury, and.
Speaker B:And maybe A therapist who didn't.
Speaker A:Oh, you know.
Speaker B:Or that.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:We'll never know.
Speaker B:I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker B:And then in that same thing, we bring up that Buck slept with his therapist and brush it off in true 911 fashion.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The only morsel of that that I appreciate is Bobby being like, no.
Speaker B:Because he's like, is that the same therapist that I slept with?
Speaker B:And he's like, no, she doesn't work for the department anymore.
Speaker B:Which I'm taking to mean that Bobby reported it.
Speaker B:Oh, 100 and got her fired.
Speaker A:Yeah, I. I definitely think so.
Speaker B:Then we get a random lore drop from Maddie while she's finishing up her shift at dispatch where, like, Josh and what's his name, Josh and Terry are getting ready to like, go out to karaoke that night.
Speaker B:He's trying to get her to go come out, and she's like, I have plans with Buck.
Speaker B:And he's like, invite him.
Speaker B:And she's like, no.
Speaker B:Immediately I want to hear him sing Eye of the Tiger.
Speaker B:And she talks about how, like, not even the one armed push ups.
Speaker B:Help.
Speaker B:So I guess there's that visual forever for you.
Speaker B:Look.
Speaker B:Singing.
Speaker B:I have the tiger doing one armed push ups.
Speaker A:Which is so funny because, like, Eye of the Tiger has such like a.
Speaker A:A clear visual.
Speaker A:Oh, connection.
Speaker B:Jensen Ackles with.
Speaker A:With Jensen from.
Speaker B:I really didn't even think about it.
Speaker A:Oh, I can't think.
Speaker A:I can't think about Eye of the Tiger without thinking about Dean and like him climbing out of the window of the Impala and like doing that whole thing that, that they loved so much they included in the end of the episode.
Speaker B:Not even on the gag reel.
Speaker B:Did we see it was literally the end of the episode.
Speaker A:No, they were like, this is too good.
Speaker A:Here's.
Speaker A:Here's a post credit scene.
Speaker B:I'm scratching his arm.
Speaker B:Yeah, hilarious.
Speaker B:Where's that energy?
Speaker B:91 1.
Speaker A:I would love to see Buck doing karaoke.
Speaker C:You didn't get Oliver drunk again?
Speaker B:Again.
Speaker B:Listen, I couldn't be doing one armed push ups.
Speaker A:He could.
Speaker B:He probably could do that.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker A:For the art, right?
Speaker B:And not to end my little quick Buck talk on a depressing note.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker B:Anyway, I was just going in order of events, but so when we're in the tunnel with, you know, the nuclear shit, Bobby is ordering everyone to leave.
Speaker B:I need the words.
Speaker B:Hold on.
Speaker A:I think I've seen this film before and I really didn't like the ending.
Speaker B:He's giving them orders, right?
Speaker B:To like, go out there, wait for the nitrogen Hazmat nitrogen will be here any minute.
Speaker B:I need both of you out there when they land.
Speaker B:And Buck's like, cap.
Speaker B:And he's like, buck, it's okay.
Speaker A:It's gonna be okay.
Speaker B:I literally burst into tears.
Speaker B:I hate it here.
Speaker B:I love you, kid.
Speaker B:You'll be okay.
Speaker A:Anyway, back to sad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Anyway, this is the superior moment.
Speaker C:Eddie was there.
Speaker B:He was there.
Speaker C:And Bobby didn't die.
Speaker A:Yeah, it all turned out okay.
Speaker C:And he didn't get cancer.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:That was Michael.
Speaker A:Talk about a red herring.
Speaker C:How much we hate a 15.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Anyway, let's talk about Bobby and Athena.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why did we save this one for last?
Speaker B:Just the way it was ordered.
Speaker B:So I guess we'll start with, like, Athena showing up at the station.
Speaker B:The station.
Speaker B:Because she's like, I need updates on my girl.
Speaker B:Like, when is she coming back to work?
Speaker B:Which I love.
Speaker A:Again, plays into the whole, like, because she's not getting a lot out of hen.
Speaker A:So she's going to the.
Speaker A:The 118, like, phone tree, right?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because everybody knows everybody's business.
Speaker B:And while she's there, she gets an email from her daughter of her.
Speaker B:Her college admissions essay, thinking it was going to be about the tsunami.
Speaker B:We all thought it was going to be about the tsunami.
Speaker B:No, it's called living with the enemy.
Speaker B:It's about her mom.
Speaker B:And she's like, I'm going to kill her.
Speaker B:So then cut to the Grant Nash house and Athena's ranting about it to Michael.
Speaker B:I love how, like, they aren't married, but they're still co parents.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So there's still like such a kind of almost married vibe to them.
Speaker B:And they were married for a long time.
Speaker B:So she's ranting about it and he's like, I don't think that's what she was like saying.
Speaker B:I don't think that's what she was trying to say.
Speaker B:And she turns around and she's like, you haven't even read it.
Speaker B:Takes a couple steps, turns around.
Speaker B:You have read it.
Speaker A:The Betrayal.
Speaker B:So I don't know why it's just so funny to me.
Speaker A:No, it's the delivery.
Speaker A:It's so good.
Speaker B:And it's just such a quintessential, like, parenting moment that I really love and miss with, you know, Michael and Athena or Michael and Bobby or Bobby, you know, all of them.
Speaker B:Well, I don't have to miss Bobby and Athena too, so.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker A:I forgot for like a moment, how.
Speaker B:Did these kids go from three parents to one?
Speaker C:Wild.
Speaker B:Technically, I think in universe, they still have two.
Speaker B:But anyway, we never see him.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:I also think that's so interesting.
Speaker A:The whole May deciding to change her.
Speaker A:Her essay topic and showing it to Michael first is kind of like that follow up that we.
Speaker A:That follow up from the.
Speaker A:The traffic stop that they experienced together.
Speaker A:So like, it makes sense that she would.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Talk about it with.
Speaker A:With Michael and it's kind of like the, the consequences of that experience for them.
Speaker B:A fallout.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Would you say the fallout of that experience and how it's.
Speaker A:How it's like manifesting in how May is processing things.
Speaker A:Like she may not be in talking to Frank in therapy, but she's processing her experience through her writing this essay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's an, It's a. I think it's a great, like, tie back into that as well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they, they have a talk that I did mention like back in the theme section when I was talking about like breaking cycles.
Speaker B:But it's just.
Speaker B:I think it's so great because it's both good parenting but also because like Athena is the most fucking stubborn person in the world.
Speaker B:So for him to be able to like pull her back with a reminder that like, this is how we agreed to raise them and basically be like, don't be like your mother without saying.
Speaker A:It in so many words.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, really gets her to actually do it.
Speaker B:And you know, she still does it kind of begrudgingly.
Speaker B:And when she does like have the talk with her like later in the episode, you know, I don't think she's like respectful or disingenuous with it.
Speaker B:But you know, May.
Speaker B:May comes out of the conversation saying, I wish you would have just said she was mad at me because it's kind of uncomfortable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, it wasn't like mad would be preferable to like disappointed.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But like, it wasn't even disappointing.
Speaker B:It was just.
Speaker B:She was not, not.
Speaker B:It wasn't even disapproval.
Speaker B:It was just like, I don't agree with you, but I'm proud of you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I support you.
Speaker B:And correcting her like, I'm a sergeant, not an officer.
Speaker B:I worked really hard for that title.
Speaker B:Just correct that and then it's good to go.
Speaker B:It's just still.
Speaker B:It's her supporting her, but still very much being herself and I just really appreciate it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, it's.
Speaker A:It's pretty great.
Speaker B:Then we have.
Speaker B:I don't know how much to say about this because there isn't actually a ton about like character arc wise for Bobby.
Speaker A:Until the scene we were talking about Bobby being a supporting role for, for everyone in this episode and specifically for, you know, Hen and Maddie and Eddie.
Speaker A:And it's interesting too.
Speaker A:Like, I know we always parallel Bobby and Eddie similarly, but Bobby is also the only other one out of our core group of people who have like, taken lives as well.
Speaker A:And I think to have him be this, be in the supporting role for, for, I guess, like mostly Hen and Eddie, like from last episode a little bit is, is a really interesting tie together for all, all four of these characters.
Speaker A:Even though he doesn't interact with Maddie.
Speaker A:But just like that, that similarity in background for them that, that it allows Bobby to really empathize with kind of what they're going through and the responsibility that, that they are feeling and taking on.
Speaker A:Because Lord knows, like, quite literally, the Lord knows that Bobby has taken on more responsibility for, for than he ever needed to.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Especially with Hen, because he was also officially, you know, relieved of responsibility, as was hence in this, like, in conclusion of this thought.
Speaker A:Just like the way that Bobby and Hen's parallel journeys with something like that, I think is really poignant.
Speaker A:And I, I, I think that's a great thing to explore between the two of them.
Speaker A:But, but also how it can, you know, cover the rest of the characters in this episode too.
Speaker B:There are obviously parallels to 8:15.
Speaker B:Have we talked about it enough?
Speaker B:Do we need to talk about it more?
Speaker C:I don't think so.
Speaker A:We, we mentioned it.
Speaker A:I mean, like, like, like we, I.
Speaker C:Think like we said earlier, I don't remember if we said it while we were recording, like, Bobby really was more of a supporting role.
Speaker C:And I think any of the things that we're getting any of, like the set, basically, this just feels like a setup for the next episode anyway.
Speaker C:So they're really, there really isn't much character arc in here and because really like Bobby's, Bobby's whole thing was being supportive and then also being like there was more.
Speaker C:He was doing more like more taking on actions and being captain at the scene and us.
Speaker C:And again, it's really set up for the next episode.
Speaker B:But that does, I mean all of that does very much parallel 8:15.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Of him making sure everyone, every, all of his team gets.
Speaker A:Everyone is safe.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:I mean, I think we, we mentioned in passing some of like the direct parallels of like Athena saying, like, I'm not ready to be a widow yet.
Speaker A:I'm not trying to make you one.
Speaker A:It's my job.
Speaker A:I don't have a choice.
Speaker A:Do not get sick on me.
Speaker A:In hindsight, right.
Speaker A:Like watching this episode with Bobby's storyline, even though he is like more of a supporting role in this.
Speaker A:But like, it, it gives like the like, weird kind of like premonition y vibes now.
Speaker A:Like, like fate.
Speaker A:Fate is coming for Bobby, but today was not the day.
Speaker A:But it's like, it's so weird how.
Speaker C:It'S recontextualized once again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, it's so.
Speaker A:It's so similar.
Speaker A:Like, I hate that it's done that.
Speaker B:For all these episodes before we've done.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, not even just for rewatching it, just for the podcast is annoying because then we have to keep talking about the storyline we hate.
Speaker A:Well, and that's, that's the thing we said in our.
Speaker A:In our grief special.
Speaker A:It's like this is going to permeate the entire show, especially on re watches because it, like, still said recontextualizes stuff.
Speaker B:So Thanks a lot.
Speaker A:It just feels like really weird now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like serendipitous, but, like, in a bad way.
Speaker B:She says, I am not ready to be a widow.
Speaker B:Well, girl, I hope another five years was enough for you.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker B:And he says, I wasn't trying to make you one because he wasn't then and he wasn't in season eight.
Speaker C:It's also like, I'm not choosing to leave you.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:I had to slow down that fire and the only way I could do it was get in the path of the smoke.
Speaker B:You know, it was the same thing.
Speaker B:It was like he had to be there on the call.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the tear wasn't his fault.
Speaker B:And obviously he was always, always going to give the cure chimney.
Speaker B:Because, like, he's the captain and it's his job to make sure that all of his people are safe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:I didn't have a choice.
Speaker B:It's my job.
Speaker B:And she says, you will not get sick on me.
Speaker B:So funny.
Speaker B:Because he actually does die from being sick.
Speaker B:So hilarious.
Speaker A:And just like the.
Speaker A:The situational aspects of this are.
Speaker A:Are crazy.
Speaker C:Is this a full circle moment?
Speaker A:Yeah, it is.
Speaker C:This is a gross one, actually.
Speaker A:No, it's why he said it's sick and twisted.
Speaker A:It's evil.
Speaker A:It's evil because, like, just like looking at the situations, you have this, like.
Speaker B:No, you know what's bad?
Speaker C:I just think it's bad that, you know, Juan Carlos Coto is the one who wrote this episode.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he's no longer there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they reheated his nachos.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Did reheat his nachos in the worst.
Speaker A:Delicious, like, like award winning nachos they were so good.
Speaker A:Fresh out of the oven.
Speaker B:And they gave me Cheez Whiz on stale fucking.
Speaker B:Like what's.
Speaker B:What's the whitest, shittiest tortilla chips you could think of?
Speaker A:Those tuxedos.
Speaker B:Yes, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker B:I think there's an actual Cheez Whiz and not even warmed up.
Speaker B:Not even warmed up.
Speaker A:Cold.
Speaker A:Cold, like, doesn't sit well on your tummy.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker C:Like the nachos that come in the Lunchables.
Speaker C:Those are gross.
Speaker B:Oh, I never understood that.
Speaker B:Lunchable or the pizza.
Speaker B:I'm like, who wants to eat this not warm?
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Oh, I couldn't.
Speaker A:I couldn't do the pizza ones.
Speaker A:Like, no, I don't, I don't.
Speaker B:Just the deli meat ones with lead.
Speaker B:Delicious.
Speaker B:Yeah, the kid.
Speaker B:There's a lot of blood and lunchables.
Speaker C:Apparently the kid poisoned charcuterie board.
Speaker B:That's the one.
Speaker B:Girl.
Speaker B:Dinner.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Anyway, that is.
Speaker B:I think Tib Minier and Kristen Rydell owe Juan Carlos an apology.
Speaker B:Or like actually just bring him back for season nine.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah, actually, please bring him back.
Speaker A:Why isn't he here?
Speaker A:Please bring him back.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:But yeah, no, they did.
Speaker B:I was actually wondering if like, because remember this was a last minute decision.
Speaker B:Like we know that for sure.
Speaker B:It was a last minute decision for 15, 8, 15 to kill Bobby.
Speaker B:I was wondering if.
Speaker B:Because the contingent arc was mirroring this episode so much for Bobby.
Speaker B:That's what made Tim go, aha.
Speaker B:Actually, what if we killed Bobby in this episode?
Speaker B:Probably actually because he is very self referential.
Speaker B:They, you know, they do call back a lot.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's so like beat for me.
Speaker A:Yeah, similar.
Speaker A:Like, like the scenario, the scenarios of like potentially catastrophic.
Speaker A:Like not that it's like the virus was.
Speaker A:Could have been a biological weapon.
Speaker A:The, the radioactive waste is just like not biological weapon, but you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, like it feels, it feels very like similar in that way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And anyway, then to make it more depressing, after the hospital scene we get Bobby being brought home by Athena and Michael and the kids are there and they're so worried and May is like, you know, they've been watching the news and she brings up like they.
Speaker B:That they think there could be like really bad long lasting health complications for the truck driver, including cancer.
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, like I was wearing protective gear and I wasn't in there as long as him.
Speaker B:Like, I feel fine and like the relief on everyone's face.
Speaker A:Anyway, this is this is horrible.
Speaker A:This is really upsetting.
Speaker B:Sick and twisted.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And like, that's the thing though is like, this kind of.
Speaker A:This does do it better because you've got like the extended Grant Nash family there.
Speaker A:You've got Eddie there.
Speaker A:Like the.
Speaker A:Well, actually, it's weird because the hen isn't there.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So in one instance, we have one of the 118.
Speaker B:She was there in spirit.
Speaker C:She was in a traffic jam.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:That's the reason.
Speaker C:That's why they had to suffer through traffic.
Speaker A:At least they were.
Speaker B:Why is it always a gay person missing?
Speaker B:That's homophobic.
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker A:I mean, so, like, yeah, that.
Speaker A:That is weird.
Speaker A:That is weird too.
Speaker A:But, like, at least we could.
Speaker A:We can now, like, almost transpose.
Speaker A:Like, if Eddie was there for a 15, it would go a little something like this and it would have been better set.
Speaker C:That's all I know.
Speaker B:It would have been better anyway.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Depressing stuff on Rewatch, you know.
Speaker B:It's not depressing.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Gay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker B:So just a couple things before we get to what you're all here for.
Speaker B:On the first call, on the.
Speaker B:On the meteorite call, Eddie is just like, doing his like, goo, goo, I'm so fond of you face at Buck's little fun facts and just, like, antics.
Speaker B:And when.
Speaker B:And when he explains to.
Speaker B:I can't remember this girl's name for the fucking Olivia.
Speaker B:When he explains to Olivia that Buck knows, she's like, how do you know this?
Speaker B:Instead of going, he's autistic as adhd.
Speaker B:He says, Buck was in a natural.
Speaker B:Like, he was there in the tsunami.
Speaker B:So now he has his hyper fixation is natural disasters.
Speaker B:He's like, let me explain my husband's antics to you.
Speaker A:So, like, adoringly too.
Speaker B:And then Buck is like, it does this cute little nod.
Speaker B:Like, I'm so proud.
Speaker B:And I'm proud that you know that and that you're speaking for me.
Speaker B:Like, it's just.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I don't know, it's just cute married behavior.
Speaker A:I mean, also, like, I feel like.
Speaker C:By that point, like, this is how.
Speaker C:Like, that's that trend that we start seeing later because of the.
Speaker C:That one scene in season five where he's like, oh, Buck goes to the LA Zoo and he's got it all memorized.
Speaker C:Like, he goes with.
Speaker C:He takes Chris all the time.
Speaker C:So, like, it's kind of like, okay, so he's definitely, for sure, definitely, like talking Eddie and Chris's ear off with all of These, like, natural disaster fun facts.
Speaker C:And, you know, like, that's just him being.
Speaker B:They love it.
Speaker B:He's the bu.
Speaker B:He's the official Buck translator.
Speaker B:And we see it in 805 as well, when he's translating him to his own boyfriend.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Well, he's his husband.
Speaker B:That Trump's boyfriend.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:100%.
Speaker C:That's why he's sitting right there on his.
Speaker B:That's his partner.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:The other guy has a visitor's badge.
Speaker B:I'm gonna be really sad when these Coke cans aren't here anymore and I don't get to.
Speaker B:Then we have Buck tells on himself that he slept with.
Speaker B:Is that the therapist I slept with?
Speaker B:And Eddie's like, you slept with your therapist?
Speaker B:And is like, we're gonna talk about this.
Speaker B:That's the phase he's making.
Speaker B:And Buck's like, I was going through a phase.
Speaker B:Didn't you just go through one of those?
Speaker B:And it's just such.
Speaker B:Mary.
Speaker B:Because it's like, yeah, I'm dismissing this, and I'm gonna say the exact thing that's gonna make you shut the up and not be able to look at me.
Speaker A:It's pigtail pulling.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, Most.
Speaker B:He's like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Most of their interactions in this episode is a little bit of, like, classic pigtail pulling.
Speaker C:This is for sure.
Speaker A:Is this.
Speaker C:And this also kind of, like, reminiscent to, like, the.
Speaker C:It's in season four when they're like, oh, I was wondering why Buck was reading a book.
Speaker C:And then, like, Buck is, like, talking about.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker C:He sells Eddie out about, like, his interaction with Anna.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker A:Oh, God, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker A:Gives him the look.
Speaker A:He gives him the look.
Speaker C:And then he says something else that was kind of reminiscent to this.
Speaker B:He was talking about love language because.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Because he was like, why is everyone reading?
Speaker B:And it was like, babies.
Speaker B:Something.
Speaker B:Girls.
Speaker B:Yeah, whatever.
Speaker A:Babies.
Speaker A:Med.
Speaker A:Babies.
Speaker C:Medicine.
Speaker B:Medicine or textbooks.
Speaker B:Women.
Speaker B:That's what Henson.
Speaker B:And then Buck's like, eddie, what do you think Anna's love language is?
Speaker A:Does he need to know that?
Speaker C:Yeah, why does he need to know?
Speaker B:He needs to know.
Speaker B:What's he thinking about that Eddie.
Speaker B:So interesting.
Speaker B:But then he's like, traitor.
Speaker C:It's just a bunch of teasing going on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love them.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:And hate them.
Speaker A:It's so much great banter.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:They have good banter, and they continue.
Speaker C:To have more banter.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Welcome to our second scene dissection.
Speaker B:We keep doing this scene dissection, but Slow Burn Edition.
Speaker A:Can I Can I preference this with.
Speaker A:You know, we were gonna talk about this anyways, right?
Speaker A:We were always going to talk about this anyways, and we were going to talk about it anyways.
Speaker A:In the manner of how gay it is.
Speaker B:Well, yes.
Speaker A:In.
Speaker A:In the time.
Speaker A:In the what, in the last month.
Speaker A:Perfect timing for us, in classic buddy system fashion.
Speaker A:Somehow serendipitous, one might say.
Speaker A:Well, Mr. Oliver Stark and Aisha Hines went on a podcast that, like, week of Upfronts, or it came out the week up front of upfronts.
Speaker A:It was the.
Speaker A:It was the Smith sisters live podcast.
Speaker B:Hilarious podcast.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, they're so funny.
Speaker C:It was really funny.
Speaker B:Listen to it if you haven't.
Speaker A:They are fantastic.
Speaker A:They do a lot of, like, pop culture stuff, but this was, I think, the.
Speaker A:Our first time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Listening to.
Speaker A:To them.
Speaker A:It's on SiriusXM, Spotify, Apple Podcast, all the stuff.
Speaker A:And in.
Speaker A:Within that podcast or within their conversation.
Speaker A:And the.
Speaker A:The sisters, the three sisters are absolutely big, like, big fans.
Speaker A:Like, they love the show too.
Speaker A:So that made it just, like, really enjoyable.
Speaker A:But they did do a little thing during their conversation where they read some of the lines and stage direction of the kitchen scene here.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And honestly, you should just really go.
Speaker B:Just go watch it.
Speaker B:It's so funny because they don't say what scene that it is, but they were like.
Speaker B:They were like, can we read you a scene and just kind of understand.
Speaker A:Get your take on it?
Speaker B:Well, I think they specifically were like, you weren't trying to be gay the whole time, so we need to understand your acting decisions.
Speaker A:Yeah, they.
Speaker A:They wanted insight, right?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:So they just read the dialogue to this kitchen scene and some of the scenes.
Speaker A:Stage direction too, which I think, like, enhanced it a little bit.
Speaker B:I think it's hilarious because as soon as there's video for this clip of the podcast, too, as soon as he realizes what scene it is, he like, buries his head.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's like, oh.
Speaker A:He knows immediately.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like he.
Speaker A:He is well aware what scene they're going to be pulling out here.
Speaker A:And just like, Oliver's bracing himself.
Speaker A:Aisha looks like she's delighted.
Speaker B:She loves it.
Speaker B:She's laughing hysterically the whole time.
Speaker B:She's like, this is great for me.
Speaker B:She's like, this is like, evil.
Speaker C:This is what I would be doing.
Speaker A:Well, she is us basically just like, watching.
Speaker B:She's like, what good food will torture my best friend?
Speaker B:And yeah, basically they make him sit through that whole reading and then they finish and they're waiting for him to say, like, what his motivation and thoughts were behind that.
Speaker B:He just goes, yeah, that was super gay.
Speaker A:Just, like, that's it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's super gay.
Speaker B:Like, we love a man with brain cells, so.
Speaker A:From the horse's mouth, if you will.
Speaker B:Yes, this is a super gay.
Speaker B:This is super gay.
Speaker B:This is super gay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, and then he talks about how he's grabbing his belt.
Speaker C:So keep an eye out for every single belt grab.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Rachel.
Speaker B:And I think.
Speaker B:And I think the sisters also mentioned how he was, like, looking up from, like, under his eyelashes and, like, the drinking, the bottle looking at him like that while he, like, has his lips on the bottle.
Speaker B:Like, how it was all, like, suggestive and flirty and, like, getting up in each other's space.
Speaker B:So, like, they lived our dream.
Speaker B:Like, this is.
Speaker B:This is, like, the kind of interrogation that I would also like to know.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:But I think it's hilarious that he gave no reasons.
Speaker B:He was just like, you're right.
Speaker B:That is super gay.
Speaker B:Just try and explain it.
Speaker A:Cut and dry.
Speaker A:It's super gay.
Speaker B:That's super gay.
Speaker A:And he also mentioned that at one point, he was talking to.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:He was talking to, I think, Tim.
Speaker A:And he said, the writer.
Speaker A:But we know it's Juan Carlos Cotto.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Our man.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, so Oliver was mentioning that, like, Tim was.
Speaker A:Was saying something about.
Speaker B:He was like, this is just like a normal conversation.
Speaker A:A normal conversation.
Speaker B:Two guys.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And Carlos was like, I'd never talk to my best friend this way.
Speaker A:And Oliver was there for that conversation.
Speaker A:And it's just like, yeah, the.
Speaker A:The writer of this episode and this scene wrote a scene of two best friends acting in a way that two best friends, platonic best friends, would not act.
Speaker A:So it's like, what else do you want us to do with that?
Speaker A:Confirming.
Speaker A:No, this isn't a normal conversation.
Speaker A:This is actually very abnormal.
Speaker A:They are not normal.
Speaker B:It was Tim.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Tim was like, yeah, this is a normal conversation.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And Juan Carlos Cotta was like, no, man.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:No, it's not.
Speaker B:This is not normal at all, my dude.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So, like, I also really now want to know, like, see, I mean, besides what we can garner of the intention of the scene being just, like, them getting closer, like, emotionally, and also very, like, flirty and just, like.
Speaker A:Just tell me.
Speaker A:Tell me how this popped in your head.
Speaker B:Well, because it's in character.
Speaker B:Because they've been writing them romantically since they met.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, he's so Galaxy brain.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Okay, so with that preamble being over the beginning of this conversation and getting to the point where Buck says, especially if you aren't around.
Speaker B:And that's when Eddie is like, oh, we're not talking about Maddie anymore.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker A:Subject change.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:I think I mentioned this very briefly earlier.
Speaker A:He is very like.
Speaker A:Like, huh?
Speaker A:You're still feeling responsible for this.
Speaker A:Like, I'm over it.
Speaker A:He's not.
Speaker A:But he's.
Speaker B:He's not over it.
Speaker A:He's presenting like he is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But he's like, oh, we're talking about this.
Speaker B:I did not.
Speaker B:I was not aware we were going to talk about this further, literally, ever.
Speaker B:That's not how I function.
Speaker B:But Buck says, like, I'm sorry I wasn't there, Eddie.
Speaker B:You and Chris needed me, and I had my head so far up my own behind with that stupid lawsuit.
Speaker B:And Eddie's.
Speaker B:He's doing that thing he always does.
Speaker B:I'm just like, it's fine.
Speaker B:We don't need to talk about it.
Speaker B:I don't really want to talk about it.
Speaker B:8:10 comes to mind when they're in the car and Buck is trying to talk about it, and he's like, it's fine.
Speaker B:We're both tired.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:He's trying to, like, shake it off.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:He succeeds that time.
Speaker B:But this time he's like, we're way past that.
Speaker B:And Buck's like, I'm not.
Speaker B:I should have been there.
Speaker B:Eddie looks like he's gonna cry.
Speaker B:Like, he's doing that lip thing he does when he's, like, holding back tears when Buck apologizes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:The little head shake.
Speaker B:And I really think.
Speaker B:How many times has Eddie ever been apologized to by someone who let him down, by someone who left?
Speaker B:Zero.
Speaker B:Probably never.
Speaker B:Like, to him, it was just going to be enough that Buck came back.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That Buck is there.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, still, you know, hurt feelings about it because of everything else going on.
Speaker A:But he can't push them down and get over it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But the fact that Buck is back, like, he forgives.
Speaker B:He really does forgive him, but, like, there's still hurt there and, like, there's abandonment issues.
Speaker B:So the fact that, like, Buck cares so much about it that he's still thinking about it, even though, you know, Eddie basically gave him a get out of jail free card, like, twice.
Speaker B:But he's still thinking about it and, you know, upset that he wasn't there, that he wanted to be there for them, that he regrets it, that he's apologizing, like, that's huge for Eddie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And blessedly, book puts him out of his misery by giving him an opportunity to, you know, not talk further about that emotion because he's like, maybe I could have talked some sense into you.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's another.
Speaker A:It's another tone shift.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So, like, from then on, then, it's like, flirtiness and playfulness, but, like, for a moment there, like, really thought we were gonna see Eddie cry two times in one episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think.
Speaker A:I think that's one of the reasons why Buck shifts gears a little bit, because it's.
Speaker A:It's getting a little too close to the, like, emotions.
Speaker A:Yeah, the.
Speaker A:The deeper rooted emotions.
Speaker A:I think for both of them, that it's just like, okay, and we're gonna.
Speaker B:Back away from that.
Speaker A:We're not quite ready to.
Speaker A:To get into that yet.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:But Buck, it's.
Speaker A:It's Buck, like, feeling all of that responsibility and.
Speaker A:And I think it also just goes to show, like, just another reason how, you know, by Buck coming back, but then also apologizing, which.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't think Eddie has had much of, especially from people who left.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:It's another reason that.
Speaker A:That Buck gives Eddie.
Speaker A:For Eddie to trust that Buck has his back, which is what so much of season three is about.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's just like, think about when Shannon came back.
Speaker B:Like, she.
Speaker B:She was like, I realize you hold all the cars.
Speaker A:She came back for Chris, not Eddie.
Speaker B:She didn't come back for Eddie and Chris.
Speaker B:She came back for Chris.
Speaker B:And she was trying really hard to get.
Speaker B:You know, it's like, Eddie, I realize you hold all the cards, and I was in the wrong, but it wasn't like an apology.
Speaker B:It wasn't.
Speaker B:I regret not being there for you.
Speaker A:It was accountability, but it wasn't an apology.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And I honestly really think that, like, this apology, this conversation does help play into one of, like, I don't think it's really talked about as much as a factor going into one of the reasons why Eddie changed his will.
Speaker A:But I think this.
Speaker A:This plays into it because, of course, like, the.
Speaker A:The reason that he gives is because he knows that Buck will take care of Christopher and will fight for Christopher.
Speaker A:But this is also, like, him realizing that Buck will fight for him too, which I think means more than Eddie can articulate, because no one ever has.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And, yeah, that.
Speaker A:And that transition.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So it's getting, like, really close to.
Speaker A:To those big, deep feelings.
Speaker A:So I think they're, like, backing away from that.
Speaker A:So what better to wait?
Speaker A:What better way to kind of like, Pivot than to start flirting with each other.
Speaker A:Because, of course, that's what you do as platonic friends in a very platonic, normal conversation.
Speaker B:Like, you keep glancing at each other and, like, smirking and, like, you know, angling your body towards them, but then, like, looking away.
Speaker A:Dialogue.
Speaker A:Oh, I can take you.
Speaker A:It's so suggestive.
Speaker B:It's insane.
Speaker C:And like.
Speaker B:And, like, Buck keeps saying the Wild while holding a beer bottle and continuing to put the thing up by his mouth.
Speaker B:Like, what are we doing?
Speaker B:Also, their child is, like, literally has perfectly working ears.
Speaker B:His ears are fine.
Speaker C:He's probably not thinking anything of it.
Speaker B:No, I know he's not, but I'm.
Speaker A:Like, he's not thinking of you in euphemisms.
Speaker A:But it's absolutely.
Speaker A:It's absolutely.
Speaker A:Chris being right there is absolutely the reason why Buck says, like, my head was so far up my own behind rather than my own ass.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:That was a Christopher, like, censorship.
Speaker B:But yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:This play, this, like, playfulness, this banter between them, and it's like, it takes Eddie, again, just, like, a second to play catch up, but then it's reciprocated in kind when.
Speaker B:When.
Speaker B:When Buck switches things up, when he's like.
Speaker B:He's like, I could have talked sense into you.
Speaker B:And Eddie's like, huh, that would have been hilarious.
Speaker B:He's like, I could have told you not to buy the truck.
Speaker B:And he's like, you would have talked me into buying something more expensive.
Speaker B:And he's like, fair point.
Speaker B:And then Eddie says, look, things got a little bit out of hand for both of us, which reminded me of 8.
Speaker B:Wait, 8 10.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:The end of 8, 10.
Speaker B:When he's like, I know this whole thing between us has been messy and hard.
Speaker B:Both of us could have handled better.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's so.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:The language is very suggestive, and it's on purpose, but he's like, don't beat.
Speaker B:Yourself up about it.
Speaker B:And then Buck shifts gears.
Speaker B:He's literally.
Speaker B:Literally zero to 60.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Because you'd rather do it.
Speaker B:And he does the, like, look, look down, look up thing he does while he's.
Speaker A:Because I, like, rewound a couple times, I was like, this is a.
Speaker B:It's like, one of the only times I've literally seen him be like, I don't know what the.
Speaker B:Is happening.
Speaker B:Because he's like, excuse me.
Speaker B:Like, there's no, like, excuse me.
Speaker B:There's no, like, attitude.
Speaker B:And he's literally like, what are we doing?
Speaker A:Yeah, it Takes.
Speaker A:It takes him a second to.
Speaker A:To, like, reroute again.
Speaker A:The conversation is just like, what's happening here?
Speaker B:Yeah, we're all wondering what's happening here.
Speaker C:Like, everyone watching this is like, what is happening here.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is, like, the moment when people are watching the show where they're literally like.
Speaker B:And this is supposed to be straight.
Speaker A:Beg to differ.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's Eddie.
Speaker A:It's Eddie buffering, but he's also, like, still receptive towards it.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's like, okay.
Speaker B:Recalculating.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, he's oculating root.
Speaker A:Like, he doesn't.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like he's not.
Speaker B:He's not shutting it down.
Speaker A:Yeah, that.
Speaker B:That's the word.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like, resisting it.
Speaker A:I was, like, swatting it away.
Speaker B:Like, he's just like, well, elaborate, because I have no idea what we're doing.
Speaker A:Say more things.
Speaker B:So whatever.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:You do it, and I'll.
Speaker B:I'll.
Speaker B:I'll pick up.
Speaker B:So he's like, come on, Eddie.
Speaker B:If you're not gonna be honest with Frank, like, at least be honest with me.
Speaker A:Just, like, another reason why.
Speaker A:Like, why or how Buck and Eddie know each other so well.
Speaker A:Because Eddie didn't say that.
Speaker A:No, but Buck knows.
Speaker B:Yeah, because he's like, who said I wasn't being honest with Frank?
Speaker B:And he's like, you said you two weren't clicking.
Speaker B:And he's like, maybe I'm just not a therapy kind of guy.
Speaker A:He's like, right, right.
Speaker A:You prefer to work it out in the ring.
Speaker B:I hate them.
Speaker A:When you guys watch this scene, whether it in the episode or it just, like, comes across on the timeline, do you mouth all the words to this, too?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Okay, good.
Speaker B:I think we've literally mouthed the words to it together while watching it for whatever reason.
Speaker B:And then he's like, there was no ring, Buck.
Speaker B:There was a fence.
Speaker B:And he's like, this is him flirting.
Speaker B:So unfortunately, it works.
Speaker B:Still no game, but it works on.
Speaker A:Buck because Buck also has no game.
Speaker B:They have game for each other.
Speaker A:They're no game for.
Speaker A:No game.
Speaker B:Like, loser for loser.
Speaker C:He's got a silver star, so anything.
Speaker B:That comes out of his mouth is game to.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:Well, Eddie said it, so it's great.
Speaker A:Because he has a silver.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker B:So Buck says.
Speaker B:He's like, come on.
Speaker B:You don't think while you were going through your phase, just maybe you were throwing your punches at the wrong guy?
Speaker B:He wants to do freaky with him so bad.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:This is such a wild thing to say.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:And the way he's saying it, all flirty, like, you could throw me.
Speaker B:Like, you could knock me around unless you hit me.
Speaker A:Like, it'd be fun.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:It's this weird, like, layered thing because it is so flirty and a little.
Speaker A:A little bit kinky, but it's also.
Speaker C:Like, inspired so many fanfics.
Speaker A:It's also a little bit, like, self.
Speaker A:Like, self flagellating for Buck.
Speaker A:He's like, I. I know.
Speaker A:Like, I deserve it.
Speaker A:I feel responsible, but also, like, I would be into it.
Speaker B:And he's like, seriously, you're gonna make it about you again.
Speaker B:But he's not, like, angry.
Speaker B:Like, it is literally still the same flirting voice.
Speaker A:It's lighthearted.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And again, Eddie is also taking sips of the drink in between all the things.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's very.
Speaker B:Oh, this is so purposeful.
Speaker B:Like, literally fight me that it's not.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:It's like a tennis match.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Because one serves the other.
Speaker B:Like, oh.
Speaker B:And the way.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:The way the shots cut so fast, back and forth between them, and a lot of them are like, you know, just, like, shoulder up.
Speaker A:Like, they get closer and closer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Buck's like, look, I'm just saying, you were pretty pissed.
Speaker B:I thought for sure that in the grocery store, you were going to take a swing at me.
Speaker B:And he keeps saying it like, I wish you would have, like, the voice of Satan while he says, the shit is so wild.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker A:The cadence of this delivery.
Speaker A:Wild.
Speaker A:I thought you were going.
Speaker B:Was just like, yeah, that was super gay.
Speaker B:Because there literally is no heterosexual explanation.
Speaker B:Any of this.
Speaker A:And he has eyes and ears.
Speaker A:No, the wild part is that he said that in.
Speaker A:In the same podcast.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not sure we want to go there.
Speaker B:Say it.
Speaker B:Just say it.
Speaker C:We'll cut it.
Speaker A:Because he's.
Speaker A:He says that the day of.
Speaker A:With stuff like that.
Speaker A:Like, they weren't thinking about it in that way, but, like.
Speaker B:But that's how it was written.
Speaker A:Seeing how it's.
Speaker B:How it was written.
Speaker B:That's how they acted it.
Speaker B:That's how the blocking and the addition of the beer bottles that I'm sure they were instructed to keep drinking from.
Speaker B:So, like, it's just.
Speaker B:It was the intention.
Speaker B:Even if it wasn't their specific intention.
Speaker B:It was or at least production's intention.
Speaker B:Whether it was just writing and.
Speaker B:Or directing, whatever.
Speaker B:There was intention there.
Speaker A:So the cadence.
Speaker A:How is that anything else but saying but, like, like, flirtation?
Speaker A:So he's posturing Himself up too.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like classic Buck.
Speaker B:Like, he's making these faces where he's like, he's not able to look at Buck right now while he says this.
Speaker B:He's like, not that you didn't deserve it, but I wouldn't do that.
Speaker B:You're in blood thinners.
Speaker A:He does keep looking away, doesn't he?
Speaker A:When he's a little.
Speaker A:He doesn't really know what to do.
Speaker B:Almost like he's getting a little flustered.
Speaker A:We also know that, like, when.
Speaker A:That Eddie maintains very good eye contact.
Speaker A:Like in 303.
Speaker A:When he.
Speaker A:When he is following Buck's gaze to, like, hold it.
Speaker A:Because he's like, I have something important to say and you're gonna listen to me, God damn it.
Speaker A:Like, so we know he's good at maintaining eye contact.
Speaker A:So when he ends up getting kind of like, shifty eyed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's normally because he's comfortable, emotional, or it's something that he can't look at directly.
Speaker B:So I feel like I really think he's just flustered.
Speaker B:And it started with that.
Speaker B:Excuse me, because he literally was taking the out.
Speaker B:Like, what are we doing?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's not that he's against what's happening.
Speaker B:He just is like, this is just.
Speaker A:Catch me up to speed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is a little different.
Speaker B:Then Buck grabs.
Speaker B:Grabs his buckle.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker B:While inching up into Eddie's space and says, well, I'd still take you.
Speaker A:Playing it like a movie in my head.
Speaker A:It's just like, were you doing the same thing?
Speaker B:No, I'm watching it.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:And then Eddie, like, tilts his head and he's like, you think so?
Speaker B:And he doesn't even.
Speaker B:Buck doesn't even let him finish.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, I know.
Speaker A:Like the.
Speaker A:Just, like the delivery of that line, but also, like the physicality Buck takes on.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's like this.
Speaker A:This kind of like, performative.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm cool.
Speaker A:I've got game.
Speaker A:Like, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm cocky.
Speaker A:Buck 1.0.
Speaker B:Wait, I think I lied.
Speaker B:Hold on.
Speaker B:This is important.
Speaker B:Please hold.
Speaker B:That's 011, not 91 1.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Thank you so much.
Speaker A:New spin off.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Rachel.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's like the Buck earworm.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:On steroids.
Speaker A:Like, that entire scene is that cadence that, like.
Speaker C:And just hear it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I have to do the faces.
Speaker B:Good God.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I lied.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:He says, oh, I'd still take you while literally pulling.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He's like smirking, looking at him, and then pulls the beer bottle up to his lips.
Speaker B:He's like, I still take you.
Speaker B:And then Eddie, after he was looking completely in the opposite direction, looks back and says, you think so?
Speaker B:And swallows really hard.
Speaker B:Like, you see the throat bob visibly.
Speaker B:Jesus Christ.
Speaker B:And then that is when Buck goes.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:And stops leaning on the counter, grabs his belt buckle, gets up into Eddie's space.
Speaker C:Delivers the line of all lines.
Speaker B:And says, you want to go for the title?
Speaker B:And Eddie can't look at him.
Speaker B:He literally can't look at him.
Speaker A:And neither can we.
Speaker B:He's like, he's like thinking, trying to think heterosexual thoughts.
Speaker B:Also that his child is right there.
Speaker B:Her sexual thoughts.
Speaker B:My child's right there.
Speaker B:Heterosexual thoughts.
Speaker B:My child's right there.
Speaker A:They're doing a whole assimating ritual.
Speaker A:It literally is in front of the their child.
Speaker B:Like, so he makes this smile and he does this little smile, takes a huge swig of his beer, and then cuts to the three of them having family time on the couch.
Speaker A:And it's that, that, like, ramping up of tension and then completely undercutting it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:With like, oh, that is not what you were working up towards.
Speaker B:It's not where you thought it was going.
Speaker A:It's, oh, like, it's, it's so masterfully done because you do feel the tension.
Speaker A:Like, it is getting, like, you know, something spicy.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's getting spicy.
Speaker A:And then it's like, oh, family fun.
Speaker A:Family friendly fun.
Speaker B:Which is still gay because it's two dads and their kid.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anybody?
Speaker B:This is my kind of therapy.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Spending it with your two favorite people, Your co parent partner and your kid.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And, and Christopher being happy too.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker B:Because he has his book back.
Speaker A:The unit is back together.
Speaker A:Like, well, every day of the rest of your life could be just like this.
Speaker A:I know, right?
Speaker C:Why haven't you done anything about that?
Speaker A:Like, it's been five years, guys.
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker B:We need, we need a, A reprise of this in season nine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because, like, and I want to see.
Speaker B:One of them panic and run away.
Speaker C:Oh, I, I was gonna put this, like, after the panic and running away, kind of like, I don't know.
Speaker C:I, I, they have their, they have so many issues they have to figure out.
Speaker B:Oh, for sure.
Speaker C:And, like, we do need Buckley Diaz, Christopher family fun time.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:I didn't mean the family part.
Speaker B:I meant the, oh, the weird flirting, mating ritual thing.
Speaker B:Because, like, there's no way they could do that now without one of them being like, oh, this is not.
Speaker B:This is not normal.
Speaker A:It's normal for them, but it's not anymore because it's gonna feel weird on the outside.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's just like when you.
Speaker A:When you also, like, look at this kitchen, like the OG kitchen scene and then the 817 kitchen scene.
Speaker A:It's wild because, like, obviously it's very different in tone and con in, like, subject.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But the way they, like, dance around each other and the.
Speaker A:The blocking for when they.
Speaker A:For.
Speaker A:For each of these scenes, when they get closer and.
Speaker A:And for their part and all this stuff, it's like, it's so fascinating because it's like, with the og, it's like, here's a still fairly new, like, relationship.
Speaker A:And then 8:17 is like, oh, yeah, here's that relationship.
Speaker A:They're married five years later.
Speaker A:Yeah, like.
Speaker A:Like all.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's the same characters.
Speaker A:It's the same relationship.
Speaker A:Just, like, so much deeper.
Speaker A:Their bond has grown.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker A:That's kind of fascinating too.
Speaker A:So I would.
Speaker A:I would also love a third kitchen scene in this series.
Speaker B:I want to compare the body language and the maintaining and not maintaining eye contact and looking away.
Speaker B:Like, I want to compare that between, like, then and now and see the difference.
Speaker B:Because, like, this is so crazy because Buck is just like, like staring Eddie down.
Speaker B:He has locked the in and the only time he's looking down is when he's, like, looking him up and like.
Speaker B:Or doing his little flirty moves.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:And Eddie's just, like, just looking up in any direction that isn't Buck, like, half of the time, which is not his MO at all.
Speaker A:It really isn't because he can't keep his eyes off him, generally speaking.
Speaker A:But like, in.
Speaker A:In 817.
Speaker A:I know we.
Speaker A:I know we talk about it a little bit because, like, they're so avoidant of each other in their body language and their location where.
Speaker A:Where they're occupying in the kitchen as well.
Speaker A:But, like, when they finally connect eyes, it's when they get that emotional vulnerability that they've been waiting for from each of them.
Speaker A:And it is maintained until it becomes, like, too much for Eddie and he turns around again, but then he comes back to it.
Speaker A:So it's like.
Speaker A:It really is like the.
Speaker A:The emotional depth that they can get to.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think it's really a testament of their emotional growth over the years of, like, being able to maintain that.
Speaker C:That kind of eye contact and.
Speaker A:Yeah, but they, but they do it when it's important and when.
Speaker A:And when they're Trying to be, like, emotionally vulnerable.
Speaker A:Like in this episode when Buck is apologizing and he is zoned in.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's like.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's always that give and take.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's that perfect, sometimes imperfect partnership.
Speaker A:For them, though, it's like.
Speaker A:It's like they just click.
Speaker A:Which was another thing I just wanted to point out real quick because we.
Speaker A:I think this is, like, the first.
Speaker A:This episode is the first instance of.
Speaker A:Of the, like, of the people clicking.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And, I mean, Eddie uses it in.
Speaker A:In talking about Frank and how, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't know that we're, like, clicking or.
Speaker A:I don't know that we click or something like that.
Speaker A:Which is this.
Speaker A:This idea of.
Speaker A:Of people clicking being used in this show is, like, relating to, like, seeing or being seen.
Speaker A:And it's always.
Speaker A:Or almost always, like, in relation to Buck and.
Speaker A:Or Eddie or both of them.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you get this with Frank and how Eddie doesn't feel like he's clicking with Frank, yet we see how Buck and Eddie click because Buck.
Speaker A:Buck calls him out, like, if you're not gonna be honest with Frank, at least be honest with me.
Speaker A:So, like, he sees Eddie.
Speaker A:And then we see this phrase used, like, a couple times down the line with stuff about, you know, what is it like, Buck and Natalia, I think she really sees me as.
Speaker A:As a very Buck thing.
Speaker A:But, like, they're.
Speaker A:They're kind of used synonymous.
Speaker A:Because then in seven, when Eddie is talking about Tommy, you just.
Speaker A:You know, we just really click.
Speaker A:And Buck doesn't like hearing that Eddie is clicking with someone else.
Speaker A:And, you know, just like that through line of.
Speaker C:They turned it around.
Speaker C:They turned it around.
Speaker B:They flipped it around.
Speaker A:It's really interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And how it always relates to either one of.
Speaker A:Either one of them seeing the other or being seen by the other.
Speaker A:And, like, the.
Speaker A:The kind of jealousy when.
Speaker A:When, like, they do click with someone else.
Speaker A:Because this is the instance with Frank.
Speaker A:I mean, obviously it's a therapist, so, like, that's not love interest potential thing, but, like, that's the instance where, like, they don't click.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then Buck swoops in, is like, you click with me, I see you.
Speaker A:And then it's.
Speaker A:It's that weird, like, inverse in the other two times or the other couple times that they use it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Interesting stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do we have anything else?
Speaker C:I don't have anything.
Speaker A:Just the.
Speaker A:Oh, I have it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I'll say another thing.
Speaker A:The thing.
Speaker A:The thing about the.
Speaker A:The ramping up of the tension of the kitchen scene, only for it to be undercut by like family friendly, rated G. Fun is kind of similar maybe a little bit to 808 where we see just a teeny bit.
Speaker A:Just a teeny bit with, you know, we see that suggestive scene of Eddie looking at the tablet and we.
Speaker A:We know he's looking at homes, but like, it is suggestive of other things.
Speaker A:And then Buck comes in and is all.
Speaker A:Is all flirty and curious and is like, what you looking at, Eddie?
Speaker A:And like the tension is like, well, we don't know what was, what was, what's actually on the tablet.
Speaker A:Like, is it something nutty?
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But there is Buck being that like, flirty self again.
Speaker A:The tension is ramping up only to undercut it by something not right.
Speaker A:So kind of familiar vibes there a little bit.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:I guess I wanted to say that because it is pointing out a pattern of a Buck and Eddie scene.
Speaker A:Tension ramping up, ramping up.
Speaker A:You think it's gonna go somewhere and then the rug gets pulled out from under you and it's undercut by something like totally not what you thought or something totally, like non suggestive anymore.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like just.
Speaker A:Just interesting stuff.
Speaker A:Like they're.
Speaker A:They're edging their way there.
Speaker B:Interesting word choice.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker A:Or the audience.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:That was a great way to end that, Rachel.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker B:They're edging their way there.
Speaker B:The writers and audiences of the show are edging us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What a symbiotic relationship.
Speaker B:Love that.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Anyway, this is your sign if you haven't rewatched that scene recently, to go rewatch it because it's.
Speaker B:It's super gay.
Speaker B:It's super.
Speaker C:And after you do that, go listen to the.
Speaker C:The podcast that Oliver was on.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's a good listen.
Speaker A:They're hilarious.
Speaker B:It was a really good listen.
Speaker B:Not just for that even.
Speaker B:It's good.
Speaker B:That was like an out of body experience.
Speaker B:Which part?
Speaker B:Just listening to that part of the podcast.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:I was like watching this scene because.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But yeah, it was just.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker C:No, it's still funny because, like, I was in the office listening to that and when that part came on.
Speaker B:That's unfortunate.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:I work from home.
Speaker C:That was very unfortunate because I giggled out loud.
Speaker A:God forbid you show like some joy.
Speaker B:I think I was streaming it on our Discord.
Speaker B:Like, I think we were all on mute, but I was streaming on Discord for people who didn't have Here, because it, like, I think they released their stuff on SIR First.
Speaker A:It's live on XM first, and then it gets released later.
Speaker B:So I was streaming it and I think I had to.
Speaker B:To stop it for several minutes while I processed that.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Just his choice of reaction to that.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, that's super gay.
Speaker B:Like, it's like, we been new, but.
Speaker A:Like, you didn't have to come out the gate so hard like that.
Speaker B:Like a steel chair really talked in circles around that.
Speaker B:Like you could have done something.
Speaker B:But he was just like, no, that's super gay.
Speaker A:He did not mince words.
Speaker B:No, listen, he had.
Speaker C:He had like four pairs of eyes on him.
Speaker B:Like, so he had four women who were like, not about to accept any bullshit.
Speaker A:So, yeah, yeah, he made the wise choice.
Speaker B:All of them were like, yes.
Speaker B:Give us the heterosexual explanation for.
Speaker B:Please try.
Speaker A:There is none.
Speaker A:Can't.
Speaker A:There's none.
Speaker A:None to be found.
Speaker A:Go fish.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What a great.
Speaker B:What a great episode.
Speaker B:What a great scene.
Speaker B:If nobody got us, I know when.
Speaker A:Carlos got us for sure.
Speaker A:This is just like, yeah, this scene platinum goes platinum in our living rooms.
Speaker A:Like, quite honestly, triple platinum.
Speaker B:Absolutely it does.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
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