Making the Bed (3x06: Monsters)
Buck got the thing he wanted, it's just not what he imagined.
This week, Han, Cil, and Rachel enter the haunted house of Season 3 Episode 6 of 9-1-1, “Monsters,” where Buck is back working at the 118 feeling the icy reception, Maddie is on her vigilante shit again, and Bobby is back on his helicopter parent bullshit. Also, Chimney makes skeptical friends with a crow.
We explore how Maddie’s latest, but certainly not last, questionable antics walk the fine line between heroism and obsession. Is she a savior or a stalker? Spoiler alert: it’s a bit of both. Maddie's attempts to help others often reflect her own unresolved trauma, showcasing the dangers of overstepping boundaries in relationships.
Then we pivot to our detailed notes on Bobby's parenting style, which is like a classic overprotective dad trying to navigate the emotional waters of parenting without actually connecting with his kids. It's like he’s got a GPS that leads to the wrong address, and let’s just say, it’s not the destination we’d hoped for. We examine how Bobby's overprotective nature stems from his past, revealing how parental experiences shape current behaviors and relationships with loved ones.
Meanwhile, Eddie is asking Buck, “What about us? What about everything we’ve been through? What about trust?” in the epic conclusion to the first Buddie divorce. We dissect every super normal totally platonic bro moment of Buck and Eddie’s reconciliation, from “I don’t know what you want from me Buck” to “Of course I forgive you.” We applaud the cinematography in this scene and discuss how it enhances the emotional depth but also visually represents the characters' internal conflicts and connections.
Eddie and Maddie are pushing away the people who know them the best as they pull the sheets over their heads and make their own beds.
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Chapters
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:00:52) Welcome to Dispatch
(00:02:58) General Thoughts
(00:06:10) Jaws of Life - Deep Dive
(00:07:07) Needledrop
(00:09:41) Red String Corner
(00:16:48) Flashover - Themes
(00:20:34) Who’s Cookin’? - Character Arcs
(00:20:43) Maddie
(00:31:27) Chimney
(00:32:20) Bobby
(00:40:46) Buck
(00:52:23) Where’s the Fire? - Scene Dissection: Buck & Bobby in Hospital Waiting Room
(01:06:26) Slow Burn - Bi Buck & Buddie Watch
(01:10:29) Buck & Eddie’s Communication Breakdown
(01:16:41) Eddie Forgives Buck Quicker Than Shannon
(01:25:51) Eddie Understanding Buck’s POV
(01:31:38) Cinematography of OG Divorce Reconciliation
(01:39:07) Outro & Take a Buddie With You
Transcript
This week we talk about Maddie's vigilante.
Speaker B:Stalkerism, Bobby's overbearing but emotionally detached parenting.
Speaker C:And the reconciliation of Buddy's very first divorce.
Speaker A:Have you ever watched something that completely rewired your brain chemistry?
Speaker C:A procedural network drama might not be your usual pick, but it's ours.
Speaker B:This is The Buddy System, a 911 deep dive podcast hosted by three friends who have DMed each other enough character dissertations to ear a PhD in media literacy.
Speaker A:I'm Han, coming to you straight from the characters heads.
Speaker C:I'm Syl, bringing you to the observation deck.
Speaker B:And I'm Rachel, connecting the dots with my red string.
Speaker A:With our powers combined, no stone is.
Speaker B:Left unturned and no buddy is left behind.
Speaker C:This episode brought to you by a very Halloween divorce.
Speaker C:Welcome to Dispatch.
Speaker C:What's on call this week?
Speaker A:This week we're discussing season three, episode six, Monsters, written by Christopher Monfette and directed by Tina Mabry.
Speaker A:Mabry, whichever one that is.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker B:We have a few calls of the week.
Speaker B:The first is as the crow Flies, where a field trip to a harvest festival becomes a haunt fest when two young boys provoke a flock of crows and then get attacked in return.
Speaker B:Our next one is not a trick, definitely not a treat.
Speaker B:And in this one, Athena responds to a call about a young, extremely malnourished girl who shows up on a neighbor's doorstep and invest.
Speaker B:And Athena investigates to find out that the girl and her siblings were being severely neglected and chained up by their parents.
Speaker B:And our last one is Take it on the Run through the Windshield, where a woman runs into a bicyclist who becomes embedded into the windshield of her car, but sustaining brain damage from the crash, she doesn't realize and continues to drive around town.
Speaker B:And that's an interesting one because we kind of see it a few times throughout the episode and it doesn't really get solved until later.
Speaker B:So welcome to our Halloween special.
Speaker B:Not during Halloween.
Speaker B:Halloween in May or June whenever the.
Speaker C:Airing recording it in May during a nightmare of a season.
Speaker A:But we just watched episode 17, which I'm sure Shane will realize when we cannot stop making references to episode 17 of season 8.
Speaker B:Just in in classic buddy system fashion somehow.
Speaker B:And I swear we don't do this on purpose, it just happens this way.
Speaker B:The episodes that we're recording kind of perfectly match up to something that we've just watched from season 8.
Speaker B:Don't know how that happens, but we will keep going with it.
Speaker B:But what did you guys think about re watching this Episode gay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:Overprotective, overbearing parent, crazy sister gay.
Speaker C:Yeah, those are my thoughts.
Speaker B:Perfect.
Speaker B:Sums it up.
Speaker B:We can end the episode now.
Speaker C:And Chimney and his little, little friend.
Speaker C:Chimney and his little friend friends.
Speaker B:Incredible.
Speaker A:He endeared himself to that crow.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker A:He made a crow friend.
Speaker B:Chimney is like the most chimney he ever has been and will be in this episode.
Speaker B:Like I think Chimney and I think of this episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Kind of seminal.
Speaker A:We get, we get hen being, you know, animal facts.
Speaker A:She knows about every animal ever.
Speaker B:Buckipedia rubs off on everybody.
Speaker A:Oh, that's.
Speaker C:Animals are just her thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's her thing because like, buck is a little bit of everything, but like animals specifically are her thing.
Speaker A:The call to personal life metaphors in this episode are heavy handed, to say the least.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:It's like a fun episode except for the parts that like, are not fun fun at all.
Speaker B:Would you say it was like fairly balanced then?
Speaker A:Not enough bucking Eddie for me.
Speaker C:They're going through a divorce.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:I wanted more tension before the reconciliation.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Yeah, it's about the tension.
Speaker A:It's about the yearning.
Speaker A:But no, it's.
Speaker A:It's a good episode.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:Those are my thoughts.
Speaker C:Apologies for every single reference that we make to 817.
Speaker A:Actually, I'm not apologizing.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:And by apology I meant.
Speaker C:I meant you're welcome.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:That's correct.
Speaker A:It's our entire slow burn section.
Speaker A:Pretty much.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just parallels.
Speaker A:They'd be paralleling.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Any more thoughts?
Speaker B:I really like this episode.
Speaker B:I think about it all the time.
Speaker A:Do you?
Speaker B:Why did you sound so unsure?
Speaker B:I don't because I didn't know if that was actually true.
Speaker B:But like, why did you say it?
Speaker B:It's just, you know, one of those, one of those things that come out of my mouth before I actually think about it.
Speaker B:But I do, I do find myself thinking about this episode.
Speaker B:Fair, like pretty often.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think mostly for the, the Eddie divorce stuff, but also for the chimney stuff because again, when I think of Chimney, I like refer back to this episode for some reason.
Speaker B:It just really sticks with me.
Speaker B:But yeah, I was, I was kind of excited that we get to talk about this because I feel like the, the Buccanetti scene at the end is like so, you know, just like, I don't know, billboard.
Speaker B:Like a billboard for the relationship sort of thing.
Speaker C:The cinematography there is what really sticks out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:For choices that were made.
Speaker B:Voices were made.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We'Re gonna need the Jaws of Life over here.
Speaker B:Okay, so let's hop into the Jaws of Life.
Speaker B:I did not find any press articles beyond, like, anything that was just, like, a review or recap.
Speaker B:Like, no interviews or anything.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And again, if I miss something and you guys know of, like, an interview or something out there, please send them our way or my way.
Speaker B:Because sometimes it's hard to track down some of these older archived stuff because every.
Speaker B:Every Publications.
Speaker B:Websites are kind of weird, and sometimes I can find things more easily.
Speaker B:Anyways, I just like to keep track of that.
Speaker B:But I didn't find any interviews, which kind of makes sense because the next one is.
Speaker B:Or the next episode is Athena Begins.
Speaker B:So I think we'll see a lot more with that.
Speaker B:It tends to kind of, like, ebb and flow with.
Speaker B:With things, but we do have a couple needle drops that.
Speaker B:Just wanted to point out.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm not the.
Speaker B:The music guru like Han is, but in the very beginning, we have superstition.
Speaker B:I think that's.
Speaker B:I don't remember if that's the Stevie Wonder version or the Stevie Wonder version.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So, like, the original, and it plays with, like, the call to the crows, and it just kind of sets up.
Speaker B:You know, this is very, like, this is the Halloween episode, and the superstition plays into the stuff with the crows and all of that.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:That's a bit of a fun thing.
Speaker B:The other music drop that I wanted to point out was Take it on the Run by REO Speedwagon.
Speaker B:And this plays right after Maddie is in Tara's house.
Speaker B:And it's during the hit and run with the lady and the hitting the bicyclist who, you know, smashes into the windshield, and then she's just like, la, la, la, la.
Speaker B:But the.
Speaker B:The lyrics of this are basically the.
Speaker B:The concept of the song is talking about rumors and kind of like, infidelity and how specifically lies and rumors can get out of hand and it becomes, like, even more dishonest.
Speaker B:So I thought that really pertained to Maddie specifically and what she is doing in these couple of episodes.
Speaker B:And a little bit of Eddie as well.
Speaker B:Obviously, Maddie and Eddie, because they parallel each other very much at the beginning of season three.
Speaker B:A little crazy, a little bit.
Speaker A:So so much.
Speaker B:They make questionable choices, but we love them anyways.
Speaker B:We love them anyways.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So just how, like, small things can build and build and build, and then you're kind of like, really entrenched in.
Speaker B:In this mess of your own Making sort of thing is kind of what I took from that, so makes sense to me.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker A:I have a needle drop.
Speaker A:Just suggestion for the future, for the show.
Speaker A:And I don't know why they haven't done this because they do like to be self referential.
Speaker A:Give me a Glee cover of a song.
Speaker A:You said rumors.
Speaker A:And then I started thinking of the Glee.
Speaker A:I started thinking of the Glee.
Speaker A:Like mashup.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I was like, that'll.
Speaker B:That mashup.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:It's rumors.
Speaker B:And what.
Speaker A:What was it mashed with someone like you?
Speaker B:Ah, yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're mashup.
Speaker B:Like the Glee mashups are unparalleled.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So then we'll just slide right into our red string corner.
Speaker B:I've connected the dots.
Speaker C:Different connection.
Speaker B:I had a couple things that I wouldn't say they're necessarily like parallels, but they're kind of like pop culture nods.
Speaker A:Little bit like a little.
Speaker B:A little wink, wink.
Speaker B:Not nudge, nudge here.
Speaker B:So with the, the call with the crows and everything and the.
Speaker B:And the birds are attacking the boys.
Speaker B:Just like, you know, we know Tim Minear is a, you know, classic horror girly.
Speaker B: itchcock movie the Birds from: Speaker C:I have never seen it.
Speaker B:I haven't because it's terrify.
Speaker A:I watched a lot of classic horror when I was a child and it.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Did something to my psyche.
Speaker B:This, this explains a lot.
Speaker B:And I mean that with love.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker C:Huh.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Maybe me and Tim have that in common.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's a.
Speaker B:It's a very classic Alfred Hitchcock movie.
Speaker B:It's about birds who attack people.
Speaker B:I don't really have to go into it.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And Chimney's like, I've seen this movie.
Speaker A:And then I, I made his reference, another reference, and was like, ah, he's seen this film before and he didn't like the ending.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love when Chimney is our kind of pop culture insight guy.
Speaker A:Normally is.
Speaker B:He usually is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's almost always the person that makes the references, makes a quote.
Speaker B:And I think.
Speaker A:And he's made some super random ones, but it's.
Speaker A:It's normally Chimney.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:It's usually him.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:So with the whole.
Speaker B:The Birds movie, you know, Hen says that with her little animal facts that crows are usually pretty docile and they don't attack unless they're provoked.
Speaker B:And I thought this was a really interesting little nugget to have right after the episode rage in 305.
Speaker B:So you have to.
Speaker B:So we're seeing as.
Speaker B:As they're trying to maneuver around all of these birds who are just like, staring into their souls, that they have to be very cautious, very slow, which is the complete opposite of kind of what we saw the last episode.
Speaker B:So I thought that was interesting there, especially because we have Eddie being the way he is right now, rageful.
Speaker B:And then another little pop culture drop, name drop.
Speaker B: nk, Halloween, which was from: Speaker B:And Halloween is the movie, or like the.
Speaker B:The original Halloween movie is the one about Michael Myers.
Speaker A:Who Jamie Lee Curtis.
Speaker B:With Jamie Lee Curtis, yes.
Speaker A:And one of my faves.
Speaker B:And Michael Myers stabbed, I think, his sister.
Speaker B:So interesting too, that Chimney would see the movie about someone getting stabbed.
Speaker B:Tracks for me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we have those very classic, like, horror movie, very Halloweeny stuff.
Speaker B:And we also have, of course, more.
Speaker B:More crow things.
Speaker B:But Chimney's crow friend slash foe is also referenced in 805, our other Halloween episode in season eight, with.
Speaker B:With masks, when they're getting ready for the.
Speaker B:The haunted house at the station.
Speaker B:And Eddie, like, picks up this, like, crow decoration and just kind of like, shoves it near Chimney.
Speaker B:And Chimney, like, flinches just because, like, traumatized.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:I love just like, very little, like, moments of continuity like that.
Speaker B:And I don't know, like, whose idea that would have been.
Speaker B:That could be in the script.
Speaker B:That could be the actors just remembering stuff.
Speaker B:But either way, it's funny and I love it.
Speaker A:That's the kind of stuff that makes the relationships feel real because that's absolutely the kind of.
Speaker A:That, like, if your best friends or siblings did something stupid, you literally never let them live it down when you bring it up at any possible moment.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's just very, like, family vibe.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And then for symbolism, we have the stuff with crows, which could be a good omen or a bad omen.
Speaker B:You know, 911 is a little obsessed with.
Speaker B:With the idea of signs, you know, and.
Speaker B:And characters who do and don't believe in them.
Speaker B:So Chimney says that, you know, the Internet is divided on whether they're a good or a bad omen.
Speaker B:And they are.
Speaker B:Like, the Internet is.
Speaker B:I think it depends on the culture, but it.
Speaker B:They can be seen as a death omen.
Speaker B:I think specifically, I found if.
Speaker B:If one crow, like a singular crow, lands on a roof, specifically, I don't know where that came from.
Speaker B:But that would be like a death omen.
Speaker B:But alternatively, they can also be symbolic of wisdom and good fortune and a reminder of the constant, like, cycle of life and the inevitability of change.
Speaker B:So I think that would be more of, like, what would make sense within the context of 91 1, because I think a lot of season three specifically, is about, like, adaptability, changing things.
Speaker B:And they're also.
Speaker A:This is just off the top of my head because TJ has a mild special interest in crows, really, just in the way that he just, like, spouted, you know, like several minutes worth of facts about them to me once.
Speaker A:Because, you know, you Sometimes you see just like.
Speaker A:Well, at least where I live, because farmland.
Speaker A:Yeah, Just like a field full of fucking crows.
Speaker A:And it can be creepy or a little unsettling.
Speaker A:And I was like.
Speaker A:I was like, I'm a little freaked out whenever I, like, we pass, like, a cornfield and there's.
Speaker A:It's just, like, covered with crows.
Speaker A:And he was like, actually.
Speaker A:And went on to be like, how they're.
Speaker A:They're, you know, they're pack animals, basically, and they form very strong bonds and they always find each other and they're so smart.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, this is kind of like an.
Speaker A:A metaphor for the 118 too, right?
Speaker B:Oh, I love that.
Speaker B:Yeah, that is cool.
Speaker A:And they're very mischievous birds.
Speaker A:Steal your shiny things, but if they like you also bring you things.
Speaker B:So don't get on the crow's bad side, basically, is the moral of this episode.
Speaker A:Also just don't, like, abuse animals, like, in general.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Probably don't be those kids for this episode.
Speaker B:I know, I know.
Speaker B:It's a little bit like.
Speaker B:I wouldn't say those kids are monsters, but they are pains in the butt, maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe awful people in the making or the one kid at least.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:So I guess we'll go right into themes with that because, you know, with monsters, this.
Speaker B:This kind of made me think back a little bit to 205, which was awful people, but it's a little bit different.
Speaker B:So instead of, like, what makes someone awful, like, and are they redeemable?
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The question that's kind of asked in this episode is, like, what makes a monster?
Speaker B:And I think even.
Speaker B:Even if you have, like, good intentions, they can go awry, and then you're not doing the good that you're.
Speaker B:That you're actually trying to do.
Speaker B:So, like, Maddie has good intentions, but Chimney, like, says you're being just like Doug and she's like, oh no.
Speaker B:Because Doug was a monster.
Speaker B:Doug was an awful person.
Speaker B:He was a monster.
Speaker B:Like just point blank.
Speaker B:But you can see how it's like a slippery slope.
Speaker B:So how do you avoid that?
Speaker B:There's also thematically like holding grudges which we're seeing again because triggers rage.
Speaker B:This is kind of continuing that a little bit.
Speaker B:And similarly like holding grudges but like also lying about stuff or keeping secrets which I feel like can be very interconnected and kind of rolling.
Speaker B:Rolling from keeping secrets.
Speaker B:I think also a little bit an idea of shame because why do you keep secrets unless you know something, you're doing something wrong and you're maybe ashamed about it.
Speaker B:So I think that plays a factor as well.
Speaker B:And yet the people that we see who are keeping certain secrets are ashamed of it, continue to do it.
Speaker B:So a little bit.
Speaker B:So that's a, that's a problem.
Speaker B:And then, and I think you said just a little bit earlier, overprotective parents.
Speaker B:A continuation of the parent child relationship and roles.
Speaker B:This one really illustrates where you know it.
Speaker B:It's good to have parents who are.
Speaker B:Or parental figures who again good intentions.
Speaker B:However, at some point it can like the overbearingness can become damaging to relationships.
Speaker A:Like at best the controlling behavior.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And controlling or dangerous at worst.
Speaker B:Like that's even.
Speaker B:Even though you have like the.
Speaker B:Their best interests in mind and you're good intentioned.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:You're missing the forest for the trees sort of thing.
Speaker B:So instead of trying to prevent harm, it ends up being harmful to both, to both parties.
Speaker B:And they also say, I think hen says that protection isn't protection like, like what we see with the call with the, the malnourished kids.
Speaker B:Protection like that isn't for the kids.
Speaker B:It's robbing them to give the parents some peace of mind.
Speaker B:So again it becomes less about the other person and more about yourself as the parent.
Speaker B:And then lastly, because this is.
Speaker B:We wouldn't have a Halloween episode if we weren't going to address the costumes we wear.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Or also known as masks which come up very often especially in season eight where, where we've seen as well.
Speaker B:So the costumes we wear and whether that's to convince ourselves or others.
Speaker B:So that's kind of what we're, what we're dealing with.
Speaker A:Who's cooking?
Speaker B:Okay, so who's cooking?
Speaker A:Maddie's brain cells.
Speaker B:I think they've been on the stove too long.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, they're burnt.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Like again, she has great, she has good Intentions.
Speaker B:She has good intentions.
Speaker B:She wants to do something good for someone because she sees someone struggling.
Speaker B:She sees Tara struggling with something that Maddie has very personal experience with, and she knows how much that hurt her in the long run, and she's trying to kind of cut it off at the past for Tara.
Speaker B:But you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped.
Speaker A:And she should know better.
Speaker A:She should be in therapy.
Speaker A:So, yeah, she.
Speaker A:She just.
Speaker B:It is frustrating to see her do these things that we know is.
Speaker B:Is bad.
Speaker B:She knows is bad, and yet she continues to do it, almost like she can't help herself.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's definitely a compulsion from ptsd, but it's like, you should be in therapy, not stalking someone for their own good, when you know very well, because you've been in this situation, that this could end very badly.
Speaker A:This could do the opposite of helping.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I really kind of hate this storyline.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's very.
Speaker B:It's very uncomfortable, and I don't think 911 does exceedingly uncomfortable storylines very often.
Speaker B:I think it is, like, effective in showing, like, this is, like, this is not good.
Speaker B:This is a what not to do example.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:And it's just.
Speaker B:It's that much more uncomfortable because we love Maddie so much.
Speaker B:We've come to love her, and we know all of the strife that she's been through, and it's just like, you know, you're just kind of like.
Speaker B:Actually, it's kind of like what so many other characters are experiencing in these couple of episodes where it's just like, we're watching Maddie.
Speaker B:We can't.
Speaker B:We can't do anything about it.
Speaker B:No, we're just.
Speaker B:We just have to, like, continue watching her make these wrong turns, and it's frustrating because we can't.
Speaker B:We want to, like, go in there and be the ones telling her, like, don't do this.
Speaker B:Kind of like what she's doing to Tara.
Speaker B:But we can't do that because it's a TV show.
Speaker A:We're chimney in this situation, being like, I love you, but what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker B:What the fuck are you doing?
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker A:This is, like.
Speaker A:This is the storyline that makes.
Speaker A:There's a couple fix where, like, it's not murder husbands, but it's like, Buck is murdering abusive men, but, like, at Maddie's behest.
Speaker A:And I'm like, this is the storyline that makes that canon divergent for me.
Speaker A:Yeah, it seems very visible.
Speaker A:She's a hop, skip, and a jump away from that, like, at this point, She's.
Speaker A:She's like, vigilantism right now is what she's doing a little bit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's dancing herself.
Speaker B:A bit of the vigilante, a bit of the hero.
Speaker B:But she's.
Speaker B:She is not going about things the right way.
Speaker B:And that's also the problem because, like, she shouldn't have been able to do anything.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, her hands, like, morally, legally are tied.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because I know this person.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Even if she was, like.
Speaker A:Was friends with this person naturally and figured this out, like, it's very.
Speaker A:You can really endanger the person and yourself by, like, trying to interfere.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you would think.
Speaker B:I forget if.
Speaker B:If someone.
Speaker B:If, like, chimney.
Speaker B:Put this, like, said this to her or not.
Speaker B:But, like, if Maddie put herself in Tara's shoes, like, would Maddie have listened to this person who was stalking her, who would have been where she is right now?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And lived it and lived to tell the tale, but is telling Maddie, you know, this stuff.
Speaker B:And I don't think Maddie would.
Speaker B:Like, before we meet Maddie, when Maddie was still with Doug.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think she would be in that place to listen to that person either.
Speaker B:So it's really, like.
Speaker B:And I think she knows this, but she's still really trying to.
Speaker B:To open Tara's eyes, because Maddie's eyes have been opened.
Speaker B:But it's just.
Speaker B:You can't.
Speaker B:You can't force that.
Speaker A:You can't do it for other people.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:Even though Maddie is not a parental figure, for Tara, it is kind of this similar, like, overbearing, like, want to want to interfere, want to protect.
Speaker B:It's the.
Speaker B:It's the.
Speaker B:The want to protect that is that.
Speaker B:That makes her go to full force.
Speaker A:Doing things against people's best interest in an effort to protect them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker B:Which is really unfortunate.
Speaker B:And I'm wondering if, like, there could have been any way that she could have, you know, avoided the stalking thing, but.
Speaker A:Well, the only thing that they could have done is what Josh suggested, which was to, like, have a wellness check.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker B:Which also would have.
Speaker B:And Maddie was like, well, no, that'll make everything worse.
Speaker B:Not like, she's not making everything worse.
Speaker B:And it's just.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:And I also think it's.
Speaker A:It's also naive of her to.
Speaker A:To think that, like, that would always make everything worse because you don't know what state she's in, like, what's happening to her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think she tries to do that by, like, kind of, you know, angling her way, like, finagling her Way into Tara's house a little bit and like snooping around like little Detective Maddie and she's like looking in the, in the medicine cabinets and I'm just like, what are you expecting to find?
Speaker B:Evidence?
Speaker B:Because like, she would know from Doug as well.
Speaker B:Because they would, they would put on this like very put together front that you.
Speaker B:That no one from the outside would be able to, to tell, even though she like, knows what certain signs would be.
Speaker B:But it's just like she's, she's like making it worse and worse and worse.
Speaker B:And I mean, I think the most effective part, like, not that I'm encouraging this at all, like the most effective part of this whole thing was when they were having a glass of wine together and Maddie was talking about like, oh, I spent a long time trying to be the perfect wife and leaving is scary, but there's, but like I'm proof that there's always a way out sort of thing.
Speaker B:Like that kind of one on one personal connection.
Speaker B:I feel like could have moved the needle a little bit if it wasn't, you know, shrouded in all of Maddie's lying and secrecy and everything like that.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:If that was like an actual friend who you met.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Real way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's, that's unfortunate.
Speaker B:But yeah, it really like push comes to shove when, when Maddie and Chimney run into Tara like after the movies and.
Speaker B:Oh, that's when it just like all starts crumbling down because, you know, she lied to Tara, so she said she was a nurse.
Speaker B:And when Tara says that and Chimney's there and he's just kind of like, what?
Speaker B:He clocks it immediately and he's, I think, a little triggered as well, because he knows what she's doing.
Speaker B:He understands it.
Speaker B:But he, he says, like Maddie says, he's overreacting.
Speaker B:He's not.
Speaker B:Even.
Speaker B:Even though he has personal experience with Doug as well.
Speaker B:He's not overreacting anything.
Speaker A:He's underreacting.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's being so, like logical, but not just logical because he understands the emotionality part of it and.
Speaker B:But then, but then he says, you're acting just like Doug.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker C:Which is fighting words.
Speaker B:It's not incorrect, but.
Speaker B:It's not incorrect, but it's, it's like a, A low blow.
Speaker B:You know, it's very, it's.
Speaker B:It's harsh, but I think it kind of like rings her bell a little bit.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:It's harsh, but it was meant to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like with, with purpose.
Speaker B:And so anyways, like, they're trying to do all this stuff and Tara finds out, does a little bit of digging, so the jig is up.
Speaker B:And Maddie tries to defend herself, like, understandably, but it.
Speaker B:But it's just.
Speaker B:It is too little, too, too late.
Speaker B:And she kind of gets disciplined by Sue.
Speaker B:I kind of felt like sue was paralleling Bobby a little bit in this instance because.
Speaker B:But like, in a better way.
Speaker B:In a better way, like, Sue.
Speaker B:Sue was doing it, like, on a.
Speaker B:No, like, like, not like, like a.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, like, paralleling.
Speaker B:So you could see the difference between how.
Speaker B:How the two should be.
Speaker A:Someone who's just your boss should be treating you.
Speaker A:Actually, no, she still was getting, like, nepo treatment because, like, I feel like Maddie.
Speaker C:Because Maddie's like, like, suspended.
Speaker A:She should have gotten some sort of disciplinary action.
Speaker A:I know that she was like, this is all I can prove.
Speaker A:And that's a coincidence.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:But she was just like.
Speaker A:And that's all that's going to happen.
Speaker A:But you're going to get your head shrunk because, oh, my God, yeah, girl.
Speaker B:But, like.
Speaker B:And Sue, I think, did go a little.
Speaker B:A little light on her because of Maddie's past experiences.
Speaker B:So, like, she knows that.
Speaker B:She knows that Maddie is trying to.
Speaker B:Was trying to do things with good intentions, but she was also just like, she laid down the law.
Speaker B:She was considerate of what Maddie had been through, but she was being very professional as a boss.
Speaker B:And just to like, compare that with Bobby, who is being like, the overbearing.
Speaker B:He's being the parent father, like, it's just an interesting comparison, I thought.
Speaker B:And then just to, like, breeze into the.
Speaker B:To the end, like, Maddie does come to grips with, like, that Chimney was right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Chimney says, like, I.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, that was harsh.
Speaker B:But it just means that you're someone who cares.
Speaker B:And Maddie is just like, I really thought I was right and that I could save her before she'd have to save herself, that Tara would have to save herself.
Speaker B:So that's at least she knows.
Speaker B:And she can, like, course correct.
Speaker B:But it's still.
Speaker B:The damage has been done a little bit.
Speaker B:And then for Chimney's little, like, teeny tiny minute arc.
Speaker B:I really like that Matt is.
Speaker B:Maddie is the only other one that sees the crows, that the crow that's following Chimney around, like, she's the only one.
Speaker B:I think it's very.
Speaker A:It's cute.
Speaker A:It is very cute.
Speaker A:It's because they're both crazy a little bit.
Speaker B:And I thought it.
Speaker B:I thought, you know, the whole crow thing was about following Chimney was kind of like, Paying.
Speaker B:Paying forward, kindness and respect, you know, because chimney kind of gave the crow deference and respect and then just moved on.
Speaker B:And the crow did it in kind.
Speaker B:So maybe that's how to, like, not get involved with things.
Speaker B:Just, like, see it, acknowledge it, move on as maybe, like, a metaphor for a bunch of stuff.
Speaker B:That's what I took away from that.
Speaker B:Shall we.
Speaker B:Oh, shall we get into Bobby?
Speaker B:I miss him.
Speaker B:Oh, Peepaw.
Speaker A:Peepaw.
Speaker B:Peepaw.
Speaker B:I miss you.
Speaker B:Okay, Bobby.
Speaker A:Bobby.
Speaker A:Bobby.
Speaker B:Bob.
Speaker A:Bobbert.
Speaker A:Bobby Bobbert.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The new pope.
Speaker A:I think this is the last episode that I have to be mad at.
Speaker A:He is the new Pope.
Speaker A:Um, but I have to be mad at Bobby for a while, so I am excited for that because I don't like being mad at Bobby.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Especially when he's dead.
Speaker A:Feels rude.
Speaker B:But I'm not gonna say anything because this is coming out after, so.
Speaker A:So yeah, he's.
Speaker A:He's still on some.
Speaker B:He do be.
Speaker A:You know, he had.
Speaker A:He had the chance to.
Speaker A:To transfer Buck to another station, and he was like, no, that's my son.
Speaker A:He comes to my station.
Speaker A:But he's punishing him.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's punishing him.
Speaker A:And it's very clear that he still doesn't think that Buck is ready to come back.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:He's, like, trying to teach him, like, trying to use, like, tough love to teach him a lesson.
Speaker A:And I don't think that Bobby even knows what the lesson is.
Speaker B:No, I think Bobby's just hurt, but he's hurt.
Speaker B:But he's also, like, trying to look out for Buck.
Speaker B:And it's just.
Speaker B:None of it's working.
Speaker B:No, none of it's working.
Speaker B:And it's like, also by making Buck man behind for, like, everything.
Speaker B:That is what the lawyer was talking about, where it was, like, a de facto firing, because he was.
Speaker B:He would be taking away all of the.
Speaker B:All of the actual duties of being a firefighter.
Speaker B:So I'm just like, you're not making this better.
Speaker B:Yeah, I do.
Speaker B:I do love how Athena kind of calls him out a little bit and Hen kind of calls him out a little bit because.
Speaker B:Because, you know, as Athena.
Speaker B:And I was about to say, Peter.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:As Athena and Bobby are preparing for, I'm assuming, May's little Halloween party that's going to be unsupervised.
Speaker B:So that really primes up the idea of, like, overbearing, protective parents.
Speaker B:Because Athena's like, they're responsible young adults.
Speaker B:They can have some fun.
Speaker B:It's cool.
Speaker B:Like, no problem.
Speaker B:And Bobby's like, are they ready for this?
Speaker B:Can we trust them?
Speaker A:Isn't about our kid.
Speaker A:This is about your kid.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's projecting, but he's also not sleeping well and apparently stress baking.
Speaker B:So it runs in the family.
Speaker A:Like father, like son.
Speaker B:Because he's worried about Buck's first day back.
Speaker B:So she.
Speaker B:And yet he doesn't talk to Buck about it, which is where all of this problem happens.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, and it's.
Speaker B:It's just Bobby says that Buck acts, he reacts, and then he leaves everyone else to have to deal with the fallout.
Speaker B:Which fallout.
Speaker B:Fallout we'll see in 309, which is also another one of my favorite episodes, I think, and may or may not hopefully tie into other stuff anyways.
Speaker B:So I think it's Athena that says, like, you know, Bobby is allowed to be angry and worried about Buck at the same time.
Speaker B:Like it can.
Speaker B:Both can be true.
Speaker B:But he can't let the other stuff make him lose sight of how much Bobby loves Buck and.
Speaker B:And I feel like it is making him lose sight of some things.
Speaker B:So this is obviously like Bobby is.
Speaker B:Is worried and he's overbearing because he loves Buck so much.
Speaker B:However, it is now doing more harm to Buck and to Bobby and Buck's relationship than it is doing good and being protective for Buck.
Speaker B:So it's all of that stuff like ends up backfiring.
Speaker B:And it's just, it's unfortunate because Bobby knows this, he's being told this, and yet he continues to do it anyways.
Speaker B:Like even himself, he can't help himself.
Speaker B:Like just jumping ahead real quick.
Speaker B:A little later after the.
Speaker B:The Halloween trick or treat thing, when Bobby comes up to Buck after Buck and Eddie have reconciled and Bobby's like, you know, hey, kid.
Speaker B:And starts to say something and then obviously just like pulls back and then, and then what does.
Speaker B:What does he say?
Speaker B:I wrote this down.
Speaker A:He's basically like, you should go home.
Speaker A:Yeah, love these Eddie Bobby pearls.
Speaker B:He said, you should leave.
Speaker B:Actually.
Speaker A:Maybe you should go home first.
Speaker B:It is like a breakup.
Speaker B:It's like a non breakup.
Speaker A:Right after that conversation with Head where you think like she finally got through to him, where he was like, you're not being very subtle.
Speaker A:And she's like, I'm not trying to be.
Speaker A:You're fucking stupid, basically.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I'm tired.
Speaker A:I'm so tired of you, man.
Speaker B:I love what Hen says to Bobby where she's like.
Speaker B:Where she says what.
Speaker B:What I said earlier in the themes where it's like, it's not you're not doing that for Buck.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker B:You're overprotecting you for your own peace of mind.
Speaker B:And you know that Bobby can see that Buck is trying, but that he.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker B:In Bobby's words, Buck is trying, but it still seems like he doesn't get it.
Speaker B:Like it's all a game.
Speaker B:And I don't think that is what Buck feels like.
Speaker B:We'll talk about that a little later.
Speaker B:But, you know, hen gives Bobby that reality check that, you know, Buck could have taken the money.
Speaker B:He could be out swimming with sharks or doing something extravagant, and with all of the millions and millions of dollars that he was being offered, like, on the table.
Speaker B:And Buck didn't take any of that.
Speaker B:He chose.
Speaker B:He made his choice, and he chose this job.
Speaker B:And Bobby should remember that and let.
Speaker B:Do the job or let him go somewhere else that will.
Speaker B:And you really think that, like, sinks into Bobby because it's like he.
Speaker B:I think he's like, this close to realizing if he doesn't, like, back off, he could lose Buck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is the last thing he wants, because then one, he won't be able to be under Bobby's protection at all.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:He'd be actually protecting him more by backing off.
Speaker B:And it's just like, he doesn't actually want Buck to leave because he loves him.
Speaker B:So you think it's gotten into his head, and then he just, like, pulls back from whatever it was that.
Speaker B:That he was going to say to Buck, which is probably something along the lines of an apology.
Speaker B:And then he just changes his mind.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker B:Which is so frustrating.
Speaker A:So emotionally constipated.
Speaker A:Out of nowhere, my man, I need you to dad up.
Speaker C:Or maybe dad less.
Speaker A:Yeah, that maybe be less.
Speaker A:Dad on job, dad off job.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:So it's just like.
Speaker B:It's so frustrating to see, but it.
Speaker B:All of that really just stems from.
Speaker B:From Bobby's worry about Buck and you.
Speaker B:And you see that when.
Speaker B:When he runs into the waiting room thinking that Buck is injured.
Speaker B:But we'll talk about that more with Buck.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's just like.
Speaker B:Like with Maddie, we're seeing.
Speaker B:We're seeing Bobby also do the things that are too much, and we're trying to just, like, just like, pull him back a little bit.
Speaker B:Like, pull him back.
Speaker B:Like, no, no, don't stop.
Speaker B:You know, or.
Speaker A:Or just communicate, please.
Speaker A:Actual communication.
Speaker B:Yeah, just, like, stunted communication.
Speaker B:And like, no wonder Buck doesn't really know what's going on.
Speaker B:It's because nobody talks to him because they Underestimate him.
Speaker B:Sounds familiar.
Speaker B:Another thing.
Speaker B:Why are these episodes so relatable 5 years apart?
Speaker B:Anyways, so that's Bobby.
Speaker A:That's what you missed on Bobby.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker B:Would you like to follow that up with something?
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:She's just evil gay laughter.
Speaker A:That's her comment for this entire sect.
Speaker B:No, I love it.
Speaker A:So, like, Buck gets to go back to work, but it's definitely not in the way that he thought it would be.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:He thought.
Speaker A:He really thought things were gonna be, like, normal, cool, chill.
Speaker B:Everyone will be like, just like, welcome back, Buck.
Speaker B:Like, where's his welcome back cake?
Speaker B:He was expecting it.
Speaker C:I was gonna make a joke.
Speaker B:Do.
Speaker B:Make the joke.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:He got the.
Speaker C:He got a frosty.
Speaker C:Got a frosty treatment.
Speaker C:Just not the.
Speaker C:Not the good kind of frosty.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It just.
Speaker A:He really.
Speaker A:The cognitive dissonance to really think that things were gonna be like they were before.
Speaker A:It's crazy to me.
Speaker A:But also, that's my sad little puppy who walked in so excited to see everyone, and no one was giving him pets.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:No treats.
Speaker A:Well, except Pen Hen did give him a cupcake that bleeds.
Speaker A:It's Halloween.
Speaker A:It's cute.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I thought you were trying to say something else.
Speaker C:I was like, wait, no, I was.
Speaker B:Trying to think, like, is that.
Speaker B:Is that a cupcake metaphor for anything?
Speaker B:And I couldn't land on anything.
Speaker A:Well, maybe for the fact that.
Speaker B:That he bleeds.
Speaker A:Yeah, he.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker C:You know, he bleeds because.
Speaker B:Okay, perfect.
Speaker B:Metaphor required.
Speaker C:You're welcome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So hen's.
Speaker A:So Hen is team Buck, and I think chimney is also like, team Buck.
Speaker A:Team Buck.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, his dad and his husband are grumpy.
Speaker A:They're grumpy.
Speaker A:They are.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It is interesting, though, because so much, you know, Buck walks in and he thinks he's going to be the hero for, you know, not taking the money.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And just the jokes weren't funny.
Speaker B:He took the money.
Speaker B:Friends from home don't know what to think.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:So Hannah's kind of really one of the only people that, you know, give Buck a little bit of a welcome.
Speaker B:And it's because she marches to the beat of her own drum and she tells Buck he should, too, because.
Speaker B:But it's also because everybody else is kind of taking.
Speaker B:Taking the, like, letting Bobby take the lead.
Speaker B:So everybody is kind of, like, doing what he says.
Speaker B:And if he's mad at Buck, then the rest of them are kind of as well.
Speaker A:Chimney is not really doing that either, but.
Speaker B:No, he's not.
Speaker B:Because I think.
Speaker B:I think Chimney and hen have experienced what it's like to be the one that's iced out.
Speaker B:And I think that's why they kind of reach out to him in that way.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker C:And Eddie, I think, has his own.
Speaker C:He has his own reasons.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:He's just using Cap as like.
Speaker C:Oh, he's just using Bobby as an excuse.
Speaker B:I was also gonna say, Captain.
Speaker B:No, he.
Speaker B:Eddie is absolutely using Bobby as an excuse.
Speaker A:He does not give a fuck about.
Speaker A:He doesn't give a fuck about that.
Speaker A:I don't even think he really cares about the lawsuit.
Speaker A:He just cares about not being able to talk to Buck.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, he took that as a personal attack.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Bobby just reiterates that it's.
Speaker B:It's my house, my rules, which is such a dad thing to do.
Speaker B:Again, it's like curfews at 10, no sneaking out the windows.
Speaker B:I better not catch you playing any loud music in your room.
Speaker B:All that stuff just like really laying down the law.
Speaker B:And it's very strict.
Speaker B:So he makes Buck be the man behind and you know, doing all the.
Speaker B:The not fun stuff, which is also probably why nobody else volunteered to do the trick or treating sort of thing.
Speaker B:And Buck is just like, how long is Bobby going to punish him?
Speaker B:And that's the thing, because Bobby isn't necessarily trying to punish Buck.
Speaker B:He's trying to protect him.
Speaker B:But he's also is punishing Buck essentially by protecting.
Speaker B:Punish punishment by protection a little bit.
Speaker B:And you know, Chimney gives Buck, Buck some of that advice because Chimney was.
Speaker B:Was the man behind for so long.
Speaker B:So like, going back to Chimney begins and, and saying like, you know, being stuck here isn't the end of the world.
Speaker B:But Buck still has to be patient about it.
Speaker B:And like, things will come around.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:That's not Buck.
Speaker B:Buck is not patient.
Speaker B:And so at like, while he's doing like the trick or treat thing, the aspect of like costumes comes up again.
Speaker B:Because this annoying kid who is dressed up as an inmate I think is like, you know, for the too candy limit.
Speaker B:Those are stupid rules.
Speaker B:And Bucks, like, you know, who has been very recently litigious is like, that's not a great defense strategy.
Speaker B:And the kid is like, what are you supposed to be?
Speaker B:And Buck responds like a firefighter because he's in his.
Speaker B:He's in his uniform.
Speaker B:And the kid responds with like, that's not a good costume.
Speaker B:And that's where we see some of this start to come up again because Buck is now Feeling like even though he is there in the firehouse, he's technically reinstated.
Speaker B:He's not a real firefighter, and he's just wearing the costume.
Speaker B:Like, he's.
Speaker B:He's kind of, like, cosplaying as a firefighter without actually doing what a firefighter is supposed to do, which is helping people.
Speaker B:So he feels kind of useless in that way as well.
Speaker B:Just to make matters worse, he asks Eddie if Eddie wants to, you know, like, come on, help me out here.
Speaker B:Want to team up?
Speaker B:You know how they do.
Speaker B:Like, Buck and Eddie.
Speaker B:And Eddie is just like, Nah, you're 100%.
Speaker B:The lawsuit proved that, right?
Speaker B:Like, petty.
Speaker B:Eddie is out in full force.
Speaker B:He is so, like, the claws are out.
Speaker B:Like, it's so.
Speaker C:Yeah, the diva is out.
Speaker C:The diva.
Speaker C:The diva in him jumped out.
Speaker A:It's like Buck showing concern about his very obviously bruised, not by his child body.
Speaker A:And he's like, nothing you need to concern yourself with.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah?
Speaker B:Yeah, bro.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:And it's like, with Buck, like, trying to reach out to Eddie, like, hey, come on, like, come do this with me.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Let's, you know, do it together.
Speaker B:Teamwork, you know, because we have each other's back, right?
Speaker B:So, like, Buck is trying to reach out, but he's not reaching out in the way that Eddie needs.
Speaker B:But it's also Eddie is pulling away by not talking to Buck.
Speaker B:So it's like they're doing the same thing.
Speaker B:Like, they're both hurt, but they don't know how to talk to each other about what's really bothering them under the surface.
Speaker B:We'll talk about that more.
Speaker B:But eventually they get.
Speaker B:They reconcile.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And everyone cheered.
Speaker B:So you.
Speaker B:You have Buck here being very, like, I'm a fake firefighter.
Speaker B:I'm just wearing the costume.
Speaker B:When I take it off, I'm nothing.
Speaker B:And then he sees the lady with the guy in the windshield, and he jumps right into action, just like he did with the tsunami.
Speaker B:It's just like firefighting and helping people is in his soul.
Speaker B:It's in his blood.
Speaker B:He doesn't think about himself when he sees someone else in need of help.
Speaker B:It's funny, because in some ways, he is selfish.
Speaker B:And I mean this, like, with affection.
Speaker B:He is selfish in some ways, but he's so selfless in so many other ways as well.
Speaker B:Like, it's really.
Speaker B:It's two sides of the same coin, right?
Speaker B:So, like, on some things, and the selfishness, I think, really just comes with, you know, his.
Speaker C:Or do you want to say self centeredness?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Maybe Self centeredness is, is a little better.
Speaker B:And I think that, I think that really just emanates from his childhood.
Speaker B:Not to get too like shrinky on him.
Speaker B:This is what we do here anyways.
Speaker B:But I think that does come from his childhood because he needed to be a little more self sufficient.
Speaker B:I mean, he had Maddie, but she wasn't always around and he had to rely on himself.
Speaker B:So like, and as a child, like your world does revolve around you.
Speaker B:I don't think he at this point has like.
Speaker B:And sometimes he, even in later seasons he kind of like reverts back to it a little bit, but I think he's just like a little slower in growing out of that.
Speaker B:Like, not everything has to revolve around me as a survival tactic because that's pretty much what it is to me.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But he's so selfless.
Speaker B:When he, you know, sees someone in, in trouble, see someone who needs help immediately, like he acts without thinking, but he does it.
Speaker B:It's weak.
Speaker B:Like I keep saying.
Speaker B:Like it's, It's.
Speaker B:Well, like it's not necessarily thought out, but it.
Speaker B:I've said this better in, in other times.
Speaker B:Like it's not thought out, but it, it's calculated risks sort of things because he like drives.
Speaker B:He drives after her so he doesn't lose her, but he is calling 911 and he is like contacting who he needs to do.
Speaker B:So he's like going through the right steps there.
Speaker A:Tells the paramedics that he's on blood thinners.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Don't try to handle it himself.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:That really is just like.
Speaker B:I think this was kind of an important moment to see Buck in as well because it shows that like, even when it's not a natural disaster, he will still jump in and help because you could like how he did for the tsunami.
Speaker B:That was very much a survival for himself for Christopher, but also like he was helping other people survive as well.
Speaker B:This is an instance where he's not in survival mode necessarily, but he sees someone else and he just jumps right in without like any hesitation, which is lovely.
Speaker B:It's because it's what he's supposed to be doing and he doesn't do more than what he needs to do in this instance.
Speaker B:But he still does hurt himself because, you know, he does cut himself, I think, on the windshield.
Speaker B:But like you said, he does tell the paramedics.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He kind of like realizes.
Speaker B:I think this is finally his moment where he realizes that he can't really do the job in the way that he's used to where, you know, previously he kept insisting, like, I'm 100.
Speaker B:I'm 100.
Speaker B:I'm better than I've ever been.
Speaker B:Now I think he's realizing, because it's, like, past the.
Speaker B:The shock and a little bit of the trauma of the tsunami, that he's like, oh, I did hurt myself just, like, reaching over the windshield.
Speaker B:I maybe can't do this the way that I previously had.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So it's a little bit of, like, a reality check.
Speaker B:It is a reality check.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I think him finally kind of come, like, understanding a little bit more of Bobby's side of things.
Speaker B:There's also a parallel here where the paramedic asks if he's okay because he has, like, blood on his sweater and stuff.
Speaker B:And Buck says, no, it's not my blood.
Speaker B:And that just reminded me of 414.
Speaker B:Are you hurt?
Speaker B:Are you hurt?
Speaker B:No, it's not mine.
Speaker C:We really are buddy.
Speaker C:Maxing.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:Just for my default setting.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:This is our factory.
Speaker A:We've been restored to factory settings, actually.
Speaker B:God.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's been insufferable, actually.
Speaker B:That kind of leads us into the.
Speaker B:Where's the fire?
Speaker B:So for our scene, dissection will be kind of looking closely at the Bobby and Buck conversation where they're in the hospital waiting room.
Speaker A:Hey.
Speaker C:Where'S the fire?
Speaker B:Kind of like what I was just saying with Buck maybe starting to understand a little more about.
Speaker B:Bobby's insistent on, like, you're not fine.
Speaker B:You're not 100%.
Speaker B:I think that's kind of like.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Like an understanding moment.
Speaker B:But we see Bobby, like, run into the waiting room.
Speaker B:He is obviously, like, kind of flustered.
Speaker B:He is very obviously upset.
Speaker B:He's worried.
Speaker B:He's hurrying, and we know he's hurrying to see Buck.
Speaker B:So I think this is the clearest that we can see Bobby be parent.
Speaker A:Do you want to hear my take on this?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think he thinks that Buck hurt himself on purpose.
Speaker B:Oh, that's exactly what he thought.
Speaker B:Oh, on purpose.
Speaker B:Wait, say more.
Speaker A:Because all he says is, they told me that you cut yourself.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker C:Oh.
Speaker A:And as someone who has had suicidal ideation, I think Bobby has some validity in his concern because he can recognize passive suicidal ideation as someone who has it.
Speaker A:But I think Bobby Bucks is very passive in the sense that, like, he doesn't want to die, but he also just doesn't have concern for his own safety.
Speaker A:It's not the same.
Speaker B:He doesn't, like, think that far ahead is the thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I think that's been something that's like been driving Bobby's concern.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:In all of this obviously because that was part of Bobby's issue that triggered him into like the place that he's in.
Speaker A:So I really think that like he's Buck's emergency contact.
Speaker A:They called him and they were like, he's here at the er.
Speaker A:He cut his arm.
Speaker A:Like that's probably all the information they gave him.
Speaker B:Do you think they would have said like with like an accident or something?
Speaker B:Like, like a car accident or just like.
Speaker B:Because that hospital wouldn't be very good.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I can't say.
Speaker A:Like I don't know what they're allowed to like or what all they say over the phone, how much information they're going to give you or how much he even like let them give him before he just was like running there.
Speaker A:It very much is reminiscent of like him walking in there expecting to like find Buck in a bad way.
Speaker A:In the same way that like Buck walks into.
Speaker A:Breaks into Eddie's room and.
Speaker A:And for a moment thinks that he might have hurt himself.
Speaker A:I think it's kind of similar situation.
Speaker B:Oh, that just made that so much sadder.
Speaker B:I was just like, this is him.
Speaker B:This is Bobby being like parent in the purest form.
Speaker A:It is parent.
Speaker B:Oh wait.
Speaker B:Because that also kind of then with that interpretation, it kind of is reminiscent of Athena at the very beginning of season one with May, how she just turned off like Sergeant Grant immediately and was just mom Athena.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's.
Speaker B:That's kind of similar.
Speaker A:So I don't think he was asking follow up questions.
Speaker A:He heard my kid cut his arm and was already in the car after the last thing he said to him was like, you should leave.
Speaker B:Like he didn't mean leave the earth.
Speaker A:I know, but I'm just saying that's where I think Bobby's head is at.
Speaker A:Like walking into this.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:And then like that guilt complex would kind of start creeping in.
Speaker B:It's like the last thing I said to him.
Speaker B:Oh God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That also is kind of familiar.
Speaker B:The last comment we said to each other.
Speaker B:Anyways, great.
Speaker A:So like, thanks Anne.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker A:Really uplifting stuff as always.
Speaker B:So they're having this conversation and it's funny because they've kind of flipped perspectives now Bobby a little bit because Bobby realizes that the guy that was in the windshield has a fair chance because Buck jumped in and saved him doing what Buck is meant to do.
Speaker B:And Bobby acknowledges like doesn't occur to Buck to think about himself.
Speaker B:In moments like that, he just goes in and helps him.
Speaker B:So he says, like, fuck, you saved two lives without uniform.
Speaker B:And I was like, but also so much more with the tsunami.
Speaker B:Like, don't forget that he was not in uniform with that either.
Speaker B:So it's like, it's.
Speaker B:It's not a costume.
Speaker B:It's who you are.
Speaker B:So I love that.
Speaker B:But I'm also like, it's a little.
Speaker B:That's a little bit of a dangerous, like, teeter tottery kind of something to say to Bach, too, who is still so insistent that he doesn't exist outside of.
Speaker B:Of firefighting.
Speaker B:He's learning to.
Speaker B:I think his relationship with Eddie and Christopher and developing the family of the 118 is helping with that, but it's still a little tenuous, you know?
Speaker B:So, like, Bobby is like, you know, you are ready because you just jumped in.
Speaker B:You did what a firefighter's supposed to do.
Speaker B:You're meant for this.
Speaker B:And then Buck, on the flip side is like, I know, I know.
Speaker B:I just rushed in and I didn't think, like I always do.
Speaker B:Like, he knows he's anticipating the argument that he would get from Bobby.
Speaker B:And that's when he says, like, the uniform is my costume.
Speaker B:I put it on and suddenly I'm brave and strong and make a difference.
Speaker B:But it's not the uniform.
Speaker B:That's just who Buck is.
Speaker B:Without it, I'm not much of anything.
Speaker B:But he is, like, he is that kind of person where he's as good.
Speaker A:As at his job as he is because of who he is as a.
Speaker B:Person where, like, he could.
Speaker B:You're gonna hate me for this.
Speaker B:He could take off the uniform at the end of the day and hang it up like Athena said that.
Speaker B:That they should do in Let Go all the way in 102.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The theme that keeps on giving, however, but could hang up the uniform, but he doesn't actually hang it up inside himself.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Mentally, you.
Speaker A:She's checked out.
Speaker C:Why are you like this?
Speaker B:You love me, right?
Speaker C:Let go and stuck are officially banned from this podcast.
Speaker B:No, it's part of the entire show.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:They are inherently interconnected.
Speaker A:Do you know how much we're gonna have to hear about it next Friday.
Speaker C:Oh, God, I don't know.
Speaker C:I feel like Rachel needs to start practicing her evil laughter because before she starts dropping let go and stuff.
Speaker C:Parallels, she's gonna like, guess what I'm about to say.
Speaker B:How's that?
Speaker A:No, it needs work.
Speaker C:You need to work on It.
Speaker B:I know Nikki has a really good, like, evil cackle.
Speaker C:Mine, mine.
Speaker C:I try to sound like a French man.
Speaker B:We didn't do it.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:I'm like, I can't do that now.
Speaker C:I can't do it.
Speaker B:It's like you not just twirl your little French.
Speaker A:I just heard the chef from the Little Mermaid in my head going, the.
Speaker C:Not the real.
Speaker C:The real evil laughter slang.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker C:Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker B:I love when we get off on tangents like that, because my dad's probably downstairs just being like, what.
Speaker B:What is going on?
Speaker C:I don't know what these people.
Speaker C:Well, they're not home right now, but I don't know what these people can hear when I start actually talking.
Speaker C:Anyway, continue with your let go and stuck metaphors, please.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker B:I just wanted to bring that up.
Speaker B:He can hang up the uniform physically, but he doesn't hang it up inside himself.
Speaker B:That's all.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think this is a very good, long overdue interaction between Buck and Bobby.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Where they do both make strides to see from the other person's perspective and see the other person and themselves better.
Speaker A:But also, Bobby.
Speaker A:Oh, Bobby, where's the apology?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So I'm still waiting.
Speaker B:He doesn't.
Speaker B:I think that's the only thing that's, like, missing out of this whole thing.
Speaker B:The lack of apology.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I think Buck does deserve one from Bobby, where Bobby could.
Speaker B:Could have said something as simple like, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I overstepped.
Speaker B:I was trying to protect you.
Speaker B:But then that's getting to, like, I see you as my kid and you see me as your dad to make him comfortable.
Speaker A:He's not in a place to admit that.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:I know he's not.
Speaker B:But, like, it's frustrating because that is what's happening.
Speaker B:But yet they won't voice that explicitly.
Speaker B:It's just, like, still in the subtext.
Speaker A:And they never will because he's dead.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C:So, sidebar.
Speaker C:So it was really funny.
Speaker C:I came across this tweet today about, you know, they were a person of color or, like, a different ethnicity, and they were like, oh, God, I forgot what the tweet was.
Speaker C:But it was the.
Speaker C:The act of, like, saying sorry.
Speaker C:And they were like, I didn't expect anyone to, like, especially, like, me.
Speaker C:Like, me and my mom.
Speaker C:Don't apologize.
Speaker C:The whole I'm sorry thing.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:Oh, listen, my dad.
Speaker A:I can count on one hand the amount of times he's ever apologized, and most of those have been me as an adult drawing a Boundary.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, he's not big on apologies.
Speaker A:My mom apologizes.
Speaker A:But, like, I don't know.
Speaker A:I think that's just an older generation thing that they don't apologize as much.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:It's like, sorry does not exist with some parents.
Speaker A:No, it doesn't.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:My dad would always try to just like, apologize with, like, not even apologize.
Speaker A:He'd just be like, things are good again.
Speaker A:And you like, maybe like, do something for us or buy something for us.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It would be like, my mom would be like, hey, do you want dinner?
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I apologize to each other.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B:If I get worked up about something, then I'll, like, say why it bothers me.
Speaker B:And then so I.
Speaker C:So I think, like, for this person that tweeted it, they were like, oh, saying sorry is like a foreign act to them.
Speaker C:And I'm like, you know what?
Speaker C:So true.
Speaker C:Because for me too, like, we don't.
Speaker A:Apologies don't exist here.
Speaker B:I also wonder too, if that's something that, like, Bobby never had.
Speaker B:He never had.
Speaker B:He probably didn't because apologized either, I'm sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because we know now his dad was an alcoholic, so he wouldn't have apologized for that.
Speaker B:His mom basically up and left and she wasn't apologetic for that.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker B:So Bobby doesn't have a healthy understanding of a healthy parent child relationship either.
Speaker A:I think it's a.
Speaker A:I think he's a good example of, like, comparing him to my parents who had terrible parents.
Speaker B:Parent.
Speaker A:All parents mess up their kids in some way.
Speaker B:It's inevitable.
Speaker B:It's a fact of life.
Speaker A:But most of the time they mess you up in different ways than their parents did because they're always trying to correct the things that they're most scarred, like their parents not doing for them.
Speaker A:So, like, my parents constantly told us how much they loved us because their parents didn't.
Speaker A:Or like, they grew up really, really poor, so they overcorrected and spoiled us.
Speaker A:So I just feel like he doesn't.
Speaker A:Didn't have a good example and he's like, overcorrecting maybe in the way that he's, like, doing things for a buck that he wished his dad was alive would have done for him.
Speaker C:Being protective.
Speaker A:But it's like, Buck is not you.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Keeps thinking that he is, but it's just Bobby's projecting.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:I do understand that's your other son.
Speaker B:I do understand from that perspective because Bobby would be like, you know, fairly neglected and.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:So he would want Someone looking out for him the way he thinks that he's looking out for Buck.
Speaker A:Because he never got to be a kid.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Never got to feel protected.
Speaker A:Yeah, I get it.
Speaker B:The Bobby and Annie parallels go crazy.
Speaker C:I love there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Bobby finally, like, they have this kind of understanding of each other.
Speaker B:They're finally, like, pretty much on the same Paige.
Speaker B:Even though there's not necessarily apology, they understand the other point of view and why they were doing.
Speaker B:Like, Buck understands why Bobby was doing what he was doing.
Speaker B:Bobby understands now that he was being overbearing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And he kind of, like, capitulates.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He's like, you know, I realize now it's time for me to get out of your way, because it doesn't matter if I'm ready, if Bobby's ready, because Buck is ready.
Speaker B:Buck is obviously ready, which is kind of what.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So it's funny because that is what, like, Buck has been saying.
Speaker B:And then he realized that maybe he wasn't as ready as he thought.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But I think by also realizing that he wasn't as ready as he thought he was is also meaning that he is actually ready in, like, a confusing, backwards way.
Speaker B:Does that make sense?
Speaker B:So all is well.
Speaker B:And then they bond over breakfast.
Speaker B:So their shared love language, and they, like, catch up and.
Speaker B:And we don't get to see that.
Speaker B:But I can only imagine they're like.
Speaker C:You know, they're having a good time, having some laughs.
Speaker A:Talking.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Father, son, bonding time.
Speaker B:Bonding time.
Speaker B:Happily ever after.
Speaker B:The end.
Speaker C:Yay.
Speaker B:Until the next thing.
Speaker B:It's time for our favorite segment.
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:Now, listen, would we have had things to talk about here had we not just watch season eight, episode 17?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Am I going to basically just talk about parallels between those two things now that I've seen it?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:It's just fresh in our minds.
Speaker A:There's a little bit of 809 and 810.
Speaker A:So basically, this is our OG divorce arc conclusion, which now we can add two more.
Speaker A:We can add two more.
Speaker A:And they're both in season eight.
Speaker A:So interesting.
Speaker A:So interesting.
Speaker B:This is basically our scene dissection part two.
Speaker B:But slow burn.
Speaker A:But slow burn.
Speaker B:Yeah, but make it gay.
Speaker B:But make it gay.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Okay, so a lot of things stand out in the dialogue in this scene.
Speaker A:There's a lot of things that they're mirroring.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:But specifically, there's something that Eddie is very consistent with, and it's telling Buck that it's.
Speaker A:He's all about him.
Speaker A:He's all about him.
Speaker A:Buck Is all about Buck.
Speaker A:So Buck is trying to explain himself.
Speaker A:Like, I didn't mean to hurt anyone.
Speaker A:I just really missed working here, and I missed you guys and da, da, da, da.
Speaker B:I missed the team.
Speaker A:Yes, the team.
Speaker A:The team.
Speaker B:There is also a little bit of tension with, like, the general you and the general us versus the more specific you.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Specific us.
Speaker A:There's a direct parallel here to.
Speaker A:There's now four times that Eddie has said that Buck always makes everything about him, which is so interesting, because if he always made everything about him, you'd think that he would say it more than four times ever.
Speaker A:In seven seasons.
Speaker B:Is it always Buck making things about.
Speaker C:Buck, or is it Eddie making things about Buck?
Speaker A:You decide.
Speaker A:No, we already decided.
Speaker A:It's Eddie making things about Buck.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So in season three, it's episodes five and episodes six where it's this divorce arc of, like, you know, why can't you see things from my side?
Speaker A:Because that's all you see.
Speaker A:It's like, do you have any idea?
Speaker A:Because it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's because he.
Speaker A:He misses and his kid misses Buck, and he can't talk to Buck.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it is all about Buck.
Speaker A:Even though Eddie's like, oh, you're making it all about you.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, you're.
Speaker A:He is.
Speaker C:You're making it all about you, but.
Speaker A:You'Re also still making it all about him.
Speaker A:Because that's like, yeah, you have a bunch of problems right now, but your biggest problem is that you can't talk about your problems with Buck.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And oh, so interesting.
Speaker A:That's exactly what's happening in 8.
Speaker A:17 again.
Speaker B:And 809.
Speaker A:And 809.
Speaker A:So in 809 is the, you know.
Speaker C:Move to El Paso.
Speaker A:The move to El Paso fight where Buck outs his move to everyone, and then he shows up to.
Speaker A:To be like, I'm Freddie Fakeman.
Speaker A:But you're renting.
Speaker A:But Eddie opens the door and is like, you know, you're making this about.
Speaker A:You're making this about you, like you always do.
Speaker A:And I remember us watching that and.
Speaker B:Being like, why do you keep saying that?
Speaker A:Why do you keep saying that?
Speaker A:But, like, you've only said it again.
Speaker A:If it was something that he constantly did, don't you think you'd be calling him on it a lot more?
Speaker B:Wait, is it five times?
Speaker B:Because he also says that in 309.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:You're gonna make this about you again?
Speaker A:Yeah, but I can.
Speaker B:But it's still.
Speaker B:It's the same.
Speaker A:It's all the same incident.
Speaker B:They're talking about y.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Talking about the same thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that was more a joke.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he was like, oh, you're gonna make it about you again.
Speaker B:Again.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:That was flirting.
Speaker A:They're insufferable.
Speaker A:I can't stand them.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so we have him being like, you make it all about you every time in 809 and 817.
Speaker A:Then we have Buck saying, in 306, I just want you to talk to me.
Speaker A:And what does that remind you of in 8:17.
Speaker A:Oh, that's exactly what Eddie is trying to get Buck to do.
Speaker B:It's the same issue that revolves around every single one of their arguments.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's one of them wants to talk to the other one.
Speaker B:The other one is pulling themself away and making them unavailable for the other one to talk to.
Speaker B:Like, like, the thing is, they both want to talk to each other all the time.
Speaker B:However, one of them is always trying to talk to them while the other is moving himself away to isolate or to, like, shut down a little bit.
Speaker B:And it's just like.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's the same thing.
Speaker B:And every single one of these scenarios, every one of these little, like, divorce arcs, anytime they fight, it's because they're both hurt.
Speaker B:They both want to talk to each other, but it's.
Speaker B:There's something there that's, like, creating that inability and.
Speaker B:And lack of, like, freedom to.
Speaker B:To speak to each other.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:And it's because the one that's pulling away.
Speaker B:And I think that a lot of times is Buck, but not every time, because Buck does tend to isolate with stuff like that, where it's like, they're doing it.
Speaker B:Here's more over.
Speaker B:Over protection sort of thing.
Speaker B:They're trying to protect the other person by isolating themselves, but it doesn't work that way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like in.
Speaker A:In 8:17, Buck is specifically doing what he thinks is honoring Bobby's last wish, which is, like.
Speaker A:He's trying to be okay because everyone needs him.
Speaker A:So he's trying.
Speaker A:He's trying to, like, moderate, like, monitor everyone else's grief and, like, trying not showing his own.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Because for some reason, he has it in his head that, like, his doesn't matter in this equation, which is not true.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Again, like, Eddie's basically begging him to, like.
Speaker A:Like, Eddie very obviously just wants them to be able to grieve together.
Speaker A:And that is directly opposite, mirroring what's happening in 306, which is like, Buck is like, I don't care if you're mad at me.
Speaker A:Like, I just want you to talk to me.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker A:Like, just don't keep ghosting me.
Speaker A:Halloween's over.
Speaker B:That's also the thing, too, because when Buck says that, like, hey, don't ghost me.
Speaker B:Eddie says, like, I don't know what you want from me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Do you want me to forgive?
Speaker B:To forget?
Speaker B:To make you feel better about what you did?
Speaker B:Which is also paralleling to 8:17, where Eddie is saying, like, nobody knows how to talk to you about this.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Because Buck is, like, retreating within himself so much because he's trying to be strength by being invulnerable.
Speaker B:But in reality, there is strength in vulnerability.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's kind of what we were talking about.
Speaker B:Was it.
Speaker B:I think it was 305 when we were talking about, like, the give a little, get a little.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:They don't know this.
Speaker B:Neither of them know this.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:In this case, it's completely opposite, because Eddie doesn't want to be vulnerable because Eddie's hiding in his own grief and his own anger.
Speaker A:And then it's completely reversed in 8:17.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:It's insane.
Speaker A:It's insanity.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's so, like, tight characterization.
Speaker B:To look at both of these.
Speaker B:I think we could do like, a whole, like, minisode looking at, like, all of the little divorce arcs and their literal arguments.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:And compare that.
Speaker B:Maybe we should do that.
Speaker A:So then we have Eddie saying, your actions, your choices, they impact the rest of us.
Speaker A:He's really talking about himself.
Speaker A:He doesn't give a shit about how this has affected anyone else.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:He means him.
Speaker A:Him and Christopher.
Speaker A:So flash Forward to Season 8, Episode 10 Voices with Buck and Eddie in the truck trying to find Maddie.
Speaker A:And Buck says, you're just moving back to Texas.
Speaker A:Like, it's nothing.
Speaker A:It doesn't affect anybody else.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:What are we doing here?
Speaker B:Because this all revolves around that same aspect of the argument where, like, Buck doesn't necessarily put himself in the perspective of other people in situations like that.
Speaker B:That's where it's emanating from.
Speaker B:Like, it's all revolving around the same thing.
Speaker A:But it's the opposite.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's the opposite thing, because in this one, it's Eddie saying it to book in 306, and then it's the opposite.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:In 8 10.
Speaker A:And it's very much like these two are having an argument that could be solved by them just dating.
Speaker A:Because the argument is like, why don't you realize that your actions affect my life?
Speaker A:Personally.
Speaker A:And I'm like, that's because you're dating, you're married.
Speaker A:Because, like, when you're friends with people, yeah.
Speaker A:The actions that they take will affect your relationship with them, like if they move or if they may make like a big life decision.
Speaker A:But if you're just friends with them, it's really not affecting you on a regular day to day basis when they're making a decision about their own life.
Speaker B:Like, nobody else gets to be involved in that decision making unless they are like your partner.
Speaker B:That's when you make the decisions together.
Speaker B:And it's like they're both kind of expecting the other one to like, give their input on that.
Speaker B:And it's just like, well, you haven't talked about it, so how can they know?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:We could fix this if you two just like, admit that you're dating.
Speaker A:And then you would automatically be factoring each other into the decisions, which I think you want to, but, like, you don't talk about it when you're making the decisions just afterward when, like, one of you is, is resentful towards the other one.
Speaker B:That's the thing too.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They both want to involve the other one in their decisions.
Speaker B:However, they don't.
Speaker B:They each feel like they don't have a right to ask.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:It's just like they're both doing the same thing.
Speaker A:But if the other party asked them, they would.
Speaker A:If Eddie asked Buck to move to Texas with him, he would have done it.
Speaker C:I think he would have done it too.
Speaker A:He would have done it.
Speaker A:They just have to ask, just communicate.
Speaker A:Then we have Buck being like, whatever I have to do to, like, get you to forgive me.
Speaker A:He's like, I forgive you.
Speaker A:Like, he's annoyed that he's already forgiven Buck.
Speaker B:He's resigned to it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I think that's part of the reason he was, like, holding on to that anger.
Speaker A:Angry friend so much to begin with.
Speaker A:I was gonna say the difference is astonishing between when he forgives Buck versus when he forgives Shannon.
Speaker A:Because when he forgave Shannon, it was, I forgive you, but I just don't know if I can trust you.
Speaker A:And with Buck, that's never a question.
Speaker B:No, it's yes.
Speaker A:Parental rights reinstated.
Speaker A:My partner and best friend reinstated.
Speaker A:Like, there's never a question.
Speaker B:And it's because Eddie says, you know, I forgive you.
Speaker B:That's what it means to be part of a team.
Speaker B:And that is, that is.
Speaker B:No, I'm talking, but I'm talking about a team between the two of them.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:The two of them specifically because they have each other's backs, which.
Speaker B:So that whole thing about, like, that's.
Speaker B:I forgive you because that's what it means to be part of a team.
Speaker B:Hearkens back to the.
Speaker B:I have your back, you have mine.
Speaker B:Which also relates to.
Speaker B:To how Shannon and Eddie, when they had their big confrontation in 207, even before to.
Speaker B:Even before 2:10 in the locker room, when Shannon says, like, you never had my back.
Speaker B:Like, I needed a partner.
Speaker B:Where were you?
Speaker B:And meanwhile, all of that is being paralleled to Eddie and Buck about how they are partners.
Speaker B:So that makes it easier for them to forgive and to trust again.
Speaker B:And it just, like, the contrast there is wild crazy.
Speaker A:Like, if you just put it down on paper without the names and, like, played pick who the romantic interest is, who's the best friend, who's the romantic interest.
Speaker B:Like a blind taste test.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Then we have.
Speaker A:After.
Speaker A:He's like, of course I forgive you.
Speaker A:Then Eddie does one of his favorite things, which is pointing and says, just don't do it again.
Speaker A:And he's got, like, this serious face.
Speaker A:But it's also just, like, very fond because he can't even, like, pretend to be mad at him anymore.
Speaker B:It never lasts long.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:It's a very stark Contrast.
Speaker A:Stark to 817.
Speaker A:Okay, Rachel.
Speaker A:When we have the pointing in the face for a very different reason, because it's not like, hey, don't do that again.
Speaker A:It kind of is, though.
Speaker C:He also does it in nine, too.
Speaker C:Yeah, you always do.
Speaker C:Like, you know.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I was thinking, like.
Speaker A:Like, shoulder.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He does point a lot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I saw.
Speaker B:I saw on Twitter a lot earlier a compilation of, like, Eddie and Pointing.
Speaker A:Pointing.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was great.
Speaker B:It was, like, maybe two minutes long.
Speaker B:Like, there's.
Speaker C:Did you all forget that he likes to point?
Speaker A:He does love to point.
Speaker B:I'll have to find that because that's just enjoyable to watch.
Speaker A:But in 8:17, Eddie is.
Speaker A:Is doing very similar action.
Speaker A:But it's because whenever he is doing that, he is trying to really get Buck to listen to what the fuck he's saying.
Speaker A:But it's for very different reason for this.
Speaker A:It's like, okay, but I'm like, you're forgiven.
Speaker A:I'm obviously very fond of you, and I'm not mad anymore.
Speaker A:But, like, do not do this again.
Speaker A:And in 8:17, it's.
Speaker A:It's like he's begging him to just, like, talk.
Speaker A:It's like, I need you to, like, hear me and hear what I'm going through.
Speaker A:And tell me what you're going through.
Speaker C:It's also the dichotomy of, like, having the finger pointing and the shoulder touch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, you have the finger pointing, which is.
Speaker C:Yes, listen to me.
Speaker C:And all of that, but then you have, like, the shoulder touch, which is, like, a way to ground himself, too, because, like, he needed some kind of.
Speaker B:He needed some kind of physical contact.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's also a thing, too, because it's breaking, like, the physical barrier between them.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like literally reaching out across the aisle or whatever the room.
Speaker B:And I was just going to say.
Speaker C:I'm like, I need to go rewatch that scene frame by frame because, like, I don't know if it's just the trick of the camera work, but it feels like he's also, like, pulling him in, so.
Speaker A:I know, but it might be the camera work.
Speaker A:It might be, but it's hard to tell, honestly.
Speaker A:I thought of one more thing that wasn't on my list.
Speaker A:So when after he's like the.
Speaker A:Don't do it again.
Speaker A:Then they hug, right?
Speaker A:They hug.
Speaker A:They both look happy.
Speaker A:But then Eddie's wincing because, oh, he has, like, really bruised ribs from his fucking fight club.
Speaker A:And Buck's noticing, like, what the fuck is going on.
Speaker A:But then he gets distracted by Bobby.
Speaker A:And now.
Speaker A:Now Buck is back in Buck's world of, like, what's going on with that?
Speaker A:Like, because Eddie walks away and now he's focusing on Bobby.
Speaker A:And then we get.
Speaker A:I think, is it in two episodes?
Speaker C:I think so when he.
Speaker A:When he fi.
Speaker A:After the fight club stuff comes out and they're finally talking about it, he's like, I have my.
Speaker A:My own head so far up my own ass.
Speaker A:I couldn't, like, see what was going on with you, and I should have been there for you.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, right.
Speaker A:Like, because he should have here.
Speaker A:If he didn't have all this stuff going on with, like, being so distracted by, like, I'm back at work, but I'm not really back at work, and Bobby isn't forgiving me.
Speaker A:And, like, you know, so he was distracted by that.
Speaker A:He was still in his own world.
Speaker B:But if he hadn't been.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he didn't follow up.
Speaker B:No, that's the thing.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:And he confesses to that.
Speaker A:Confessions.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:And then in 8:17, literally what's happening is, like, Buck is so far in his own grief and trying to be what he thinks Bobby wanted him to be.
Speaker A:Wanted him to be.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker B:Which is always Buck's Problem that he.
Speaker A:Literally can't see what Eddie needs from him, even though Eddie is literally in front of him, basically telling him what he needs from him.
Speaker A:So I feel like we could very possibly get a redux of that when I go for the title.
Speaker A:But, like, the beginning part.
Speaker B:Oh, I'm down for it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he is going to realize, oh, I had my.
Speaker A:My head up so far up my own ass that I didn't see that.
Speaker A:You just wanted me to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Be there for you.
Speaker A:And the way that you needed me to be there for you.
Speaker B:Not the way that I think that.
Speaker B:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker B:Because that's.
Speaker B:That's, again, that's what Buck often does.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He does what he thinks other people want him to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Instead of asking them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's making a lot of assumptions by trying to put himself into another perspective, but it's not exactly correct because he doesn't ask.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:And that's where he gets into some of this trouble.
Speaker B:There's also, as.
Speaker B:As we're talking about parallels, there's a couple that I want to bring up with this about, you know, we're.
Speaker B:We're just talking about how Buck kind of notices something's off with Eddie.
Speaker B:He's just like, huh.
Speaker B:Like, files that away for later, but.
Speaker B:But doesn't follow up.
Speaker B:Follow up on that.
Speaker B:Which is also kind of like.
Speaker B:And I'm.
Speaker B:And I'm.
Speaker B:There are two parallels here between Buddy and Maddie.
Speaker B:It's kind of like Chimney when he and Maddie are meaning Tara after the movies.
Speaker B:And you see Chimney just be like, oh, you think she's a nurse.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:And he start.
Speaker B:He knows, like, immediately what's happening, so he clocks that immediately.
Speaker B:He brings it up to her immediately.
Speaker B:So, like, that's the difference as well.
Speaker B:But it's also just.
Speaker B:And it's this continuation of paralleling Eddie and Maddie similarly as well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But also the whole, like, this scene with.
Speaker B:With Buck and Eddie is kind of similar to Maddie and Chimney at the end where Maddie comes into the station and is telling Chimney, you know, that.
Speaker B:That he was right.
Speaker B:And they have this, like, conversation.
Speaker B:So it just kind of struck me as.
Speaker B:As a little similar in that way because they were both coming to understand the other person's perspective and talking about that with them.
Speaker B:But again, they're better at communication than, yeah, Buck and Eddie are.
Speaker B:So I thought that was like, an interesting thing to have both of those conversations happen in the station and see those, like, opposite perspectives.
Speaker B:Kind of like how Bobby and Buck saw opposite.
Speaker B:How each other's Perspectives, but specifically paralleling Maddie to Eddie.
Speaker B:And so shocking.
Speaker A:It's another 8, 17 parallel.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:But in this episode, Buck is saying, I didn't think about what could happen.
Speaker A:I was mad at Bobby for not letting me back.
Speaker A:I was mad at you guys for moving on without me.
Speaker A:I was mad that there was nothing I could do about it.
Speaker A:And I just wanted.
Speaker A:I just wanted to.
Speaker A:And that he's like, punch someone.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this is.
Speaker A:This could have been, again, if Bobby hadn't interrupted and, like, pulled back into his own, like, world of what's going on there.
Speaker A:I feel like this was the opening of where they could have, like, talked about that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because, like, Buck was opening up in a way that made Eddie really understand and correlate it to, like, what he's going through.
Speaker A:And I feel like.
Speaker A:I feel like if what Buck had said in the confessional, if he had just fucking said that to Eddie, it would have been this kind of, like, conversation that they were having here.
Speaker A:But then it could have continued because there was no one to interrupt them because Bobby's dead.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Anyway, I can't wait for them to.
Speaker B:Get trapped together under some rebel.
Speaker B:Yeah, I.
Speaker B:I wrote.
Speaker B:I'm so glad you.
Speaker B:You brought this piece of dialogue up because it is so interesting.
Speaker B:Because, like, it's that moment, too, where.
Speaker B:Where Buck is saying, like, I was just so angry and there was nothing I could do about it.
Speaker B:That is the moment where you see understanding, like, dawn on Eddie's face.
Speaker B:Like, it.
Speaker B:Like it breaks over his.
Speaker B:His eyes.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, I know what that feels like to want to punch someone right now.
Speaker B:Because he feels the same way.
Speaker B:Because he is.
Speaker B:Here's the thing, too, because Eddie is frustrated at the whole lawsuit thing.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But he.
Speaker B:What he's really angry about is that he couldn't talk to Buck.
Speaker B:He couldn't confide in Buck during that whole thing, which was exacerbated by the fact that Eddie is so mad at himself and at Shannon.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because there was nothing that he could do about it.
Speaker B:There was nothing that he could do to protect Shannon from dying.
Speaker B:There was nothing that he could do to protect Chris from having his mother die.
Speaker B:And then also nothing he could do to protect Chris from the tsunami.
Speaker B:So Eddie is just spiraling on his own about his lack of control.
Speaker B:And that's the connection there, because Buck felt a lack of control.
Speaker B:Eddie is currently still feeling a lack of control, and he recognized that in Buck as well.
Speaker B:And it's just like the feeling helpless.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:The lack of control, the feeling helpless.
Speaker A:Eddie is feeling like you're just the guy there standing who couldn't do anything to help.
Speaker B:Oh, yes, exactly.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:And it's always because Eddie is more mad at himself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:For not being able.
Speaker B:Be in control to do anything about it that he is about anything else.
Speaker B:Like, it's always.
Speaker B:Eddie puts his anger.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He expresses his anger outwardly, but that anger is actually directed inward.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Always.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then there's also just like one other piece of dialogue similarly to when, you know, Buck says he just wanted Eddie to talk to him.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And says, like, if you're ma.
Speaker B:If you're still mad, that's okay.
Speaker B:Like, just talk to me.
Speaker B:And that reminded me similarly of 809, where Eddie tells Buck, like, if you're pissed, say you're pissed.
Speaker B:Stop trying to not be pissed off.
Speaker A:It makes it easier for you.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Me.
Speaker A:Than be pissed off.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And in that instance, it's also like Eddie being angry at himself again.
Speaker B:So he's, like, punishing both of them.
Speaker B:He's punishing both himself and Buck because, like, Eddie is.
Speaker B:Is pissed off and he.
Speaker B:He almost, like, wants Buck to be pissed off at him.
Speaker B:That's more like it.
Speaker A:Easier.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:809 stuff.
Speaker B:It's just like.
Speaker B:It's just so fascinating because it's so, like, for both of them always, it's such, like a.
Speaker B:So similar.
Speaker A:Each other.
Speaker A:I'm so tired.
Speaker A:Aren't you guys tired?
Speaker B:It's such a similar, like, issue that they're having.
Speaker B:It's a mirror of each other.
Speaker B:And if they just communicate, that would solve, like, 90 of the problems.
Speaker B:The other 10 would be the kissing part.
Speaker B:So I feel like a lot of.
Speaker A:The stuff that they don't communicate would be solved by them actually communicating what they are to each other.
Speaker A:Because as we talked about earlier in the relationship is that they don't.
Speaker A:They don't feel comfortable asking what they want or need from each other because they don't feel like it's their place, even though it's very clearly their place.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But they don't think that it is, because what they want is what you get from a life partner of romantic partner.
Speaker B:It's almost like they're afraid that if they voice that to the other, maybe.
Speaker C:The other might reject them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It ruins everything that.
Speaker B:It's like if.
Speaker B:If they.
Speaker B:If they voice that, it's going to be, well, I'm not as important to you as you are to me.
Speaker C:It changes, but that's not.
Speaker B:It would change everything.
Speaker B:And there's.
Speaker B:And here's some of that adaptability stuff in season three and season eight that we're seeing again of that, like, insistence that life is change.
Speaker B:Thank you, Peppa.
Speaker B:Like, you have to a round of applause for that standing ovation.
Speaker B:No, I know.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:I would like to take a moment and talk about the cinematography of this scene because it is so important to me personally.
Speaker B:No, I actually think it is like a very fascinating way that they blocked this, this scene, this shot specifically when at the beginning of their.
Speaker B:Their conversation, you know, where they're walking past each other and they're like giving each other the cold shoulder.
Speaker B:And then there is this shot.
Speaker B:There is the shot where Buck is on the left, Eddie is on the right, and there's this like, thing in the middle.
Speaker B:I think it's like a railing or something.
Speaker B:And it's such an incredible, impeccable shot because it shows how Buck and Eddie are on, like in.
Speaker B:This is like a perfect example of show don't tell to me, because it shows how Buck and Eddie are on opposite sides of their proverbial fence.
Speaker B:And it shows there is an emotional divide and like metaphorical distance with a physical barrier in between them.
Speaker B:And it's fascinating because the way this is framed, there's like, there's like this blurry thing in the foreground because this is like a far away shot.
Speaker B:You see like the.
Speaker B:Their whole body, you see like everything around them in the station, but there's this weird thing in the foreground which is just acting as this barrier, this very physical, like partition, railing obstacle, if you will, right down the middle.
Speaker B:So it's very intentional because, like, generally you would not obscure so much of the field of vision with something so close to the foreground like that.
Speaker B:So that means it's intentional.
Speaker B:And then on top of that, on top of just like the framing of that shot, if you look at it, and I know people have talked about this a lot as well, but on Buck's side, it's very like, cool lighting.
Speaker B:There's a lot of blues.
Speaker B:It's just like.
Speaker B:It feels very cold.
Speaker B:And that is kind of emblematic of where he feels.
Speaker B:He feels alone, out in the cold, nobody around him.
Speaker B:On Eddie's side and.
Speaker B:And his is on like, more interior.
Speaker B:On Eddie's side, you see a little bit of the exterior.
Speaker B:You see that warm lighting coming through.
Speaker B:You see even like the ambulance with that, like, bright and deep reds, which is also actually interesting because Those are each other's colors, right?
Speaker B:Because, like, Buck is red and Eddie is blue.
Speaker B:So it seems like the lighting is trying to make them, you know, like, encourage them to.
Speaker B:To go to the other side, basically, and.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Or meet in the middle.
Speaker B:But it's like that difference, like that stark difference is in lighting.
Speaker B:And then as they're actually having their conversation, the shots get closer and closer.
Speaker B:So we start out with, like, really, really far away.
Speaker B:This, like, wide shot with that thing in the middle.
Speaker B:And then as they're getting physically closer together, like they're.
Speaker B:They're actually coming together as they're talking.
Speaker B:So the shots get closer together like it's a.
Speaker B:It's a mid shot, and then it's closer up and closer up as they're actually becoming more, like, emotionally close because they're talking.
Speaker B:They're not saying everything, but they are communicating, which helps because it's closing the physical and emotional distance.
Speaker B:And there's also.
Speaker B:There was a tweet that I was looking for earlier, and Chell Bell helped find it.
Speaker B:Thank you so much.
Speaker B:Where someone.
Speaker B:It's like a screenshot of a tweet that.
Speaker B:That someone made when I think probably closer to when this show or when the episode came out, and.
Speaker B:And it says, I want everyone to look at this shot and it's the one we're talking about and tell me that this isn't a lover's cinematography.
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker B:I dare you.
Speaker B:And then it was responded to, and I didn't realize this at the time, by Tina Mabry or Mabry, who is the director of this episode.
Speaker B:And she said, glad we hit our goal.
Speaker B:Such a fun show to shoot.
Speaker B:So, like.
Speaker B:Like, that is pretty much.
Speaker B:I'm taking it as confirmation as, like, they were making very intentional moves for the.
Speaker B:The framework, the cinematography of this particular conversation, that singular shot, for it to look like a reconciliation of romantic partners.
Speaker B:And I just have to, like, I have been so excited to talk about, like, this one shot for so long because it's just.
Speaker B:It's so smartly done because it.
Speaker B:It shows so much without telling you, and just everything about it is phenomenally thought out.
Speaker B:Like, impeccable work from.
Speaker B:From everyone who was.
Speaker B:Who was part of this, part of the episode, specifically, because it's just.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:It's one of the reasons why this episode sticks with me because of that shot.
Speaker B:And when you can have such, like, an iconic shot that alludes to the.
Speaker B:The feelings, the emotions, what the characters.
Speaker A:Are going through, invoking all the senses to tell the story exactly, it doesn't.
Speaker B:Get more successful than that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So bravo.
Speaker B:And thank you so much for that, like, visual treat.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Speaker A:I'm done.
Speaker A:All right, in conclusion.
Speaker A:Gay.
Speaker B:Very.
Speaker A:Stamp it on their foreheads.
Speaker B:I now pronounce you.
Speaker A:If lost, please return to each other.
Speaker C:Like this thing between them that's messy and hard.
Speaker B:Oh, this thing between them, you know, kind of like the physical thing between the.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:She cuts herself off before we can.
Speaker B:It's me double advocating myself.
Speaker B:No, like, this.
Speaker B:This thing that's.
Speaker B:That's, like difficult and hard and messy between us.
Speaker B:And it's like, that can also really.
Speaker B:That pertains to this episode as well.
Speaker B:But in this shot, it is like a physical obstacle thing in between them.
Speaker B:But it's also metaphorically the divorce 1.0.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:Doesn't actually belong in the gay section, but I forgot to talk about it when we were talking about Eddie because he didn't really have a section.
Speaker A:It was just adjacent to Bug.
Speaker A:Do you know how he loves, like, sweet little treats?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Love that theory.
Speaker A:Right now he's eating Sour Patch Kids in this episode.
Speaker A:He's, like, grabbing from the container in there a fruit snack.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:It's sour and sweet.
Speaker B:So like, sour kind of like their relationship at the moment and then it turns sweet two seconds later because they can't be mad.
Speaker A:Loves a snack.
Speaker B:You do.
Speaker A:He's never met a snack he didn't like.
Speaker B:Love even said.
Speaker A:He said free food.
Speaker A:I'll be there always.
Speaker C:Especially loves anything that's bucks.
Speaker B:Anything he makes.
Speaker A:Anything made with love for him specifically.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think that's all that I got for this one.
Speaker A:Thank you season 8, episode 17 for your Perfect timing.
Speaker A:Timing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:How does this keep happening?
Speaker B:And I love that other people are realizing this too, because on the live stream, I know, literally last night, people.
Speaker B:I think Jill pointed out a couple other people.
Speaker B:It's like classic buddy system.
Speaker B:Like aligning yourself with Corona.
Speaker C:The best.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like we could have recorded this at any point, but we just happened to record this today after we saw 8:17 last night.
Speaker B:Maybe it's a sign from the universe.
Speaker C:Maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe a sign from God.
Speaker A:Or maybe Tiffany hacked her Google calendar.
Speaker B:We keep moving.
Speaker B:You should know this too.
Speaker A:We do.
Speaker A:I'm equal parts looking forward to in dreading Athena begins because it's so good, but it's also depressing.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It's such a good episode, though.
Speaker A:Very much looking forward to the episode after that.
Speaker C:Is that fallout?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Fallout is nine.
Speaker C:What's the one after Malfunction?
Speaker C:Malfunction.
Speaker B:Malfunction.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker B:Which is also directed by Joaquin Sidio.
Speaker B:A treat for the eyes.
Speaker B:And then it's Fallout.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:I mean, season three is just kind of like boom, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker C:I always felt like season three and four had banger after banger.
Speaker A:Episode three and four are goaded.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker B:Remember, don't piss off the crows, but.
Speaker A:If you do, take a buddy with you.
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